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(Fox News)   Right wing commentator complains it is horribly unfair that AP used an actual photograph from a meeting of a splinter Boy Scout organization started by fundamentalist Christians that shows scouts giving a Nazi-style salute   (foxnews.com) divider line 39
    More: Asinine, U.S. state abbreviations, trail life, Nazis, Religion News Service, John Stemberger, invasion of Poland, Christian fundamentalism, Sieg Heil  
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2014-03-06 04:56:58 PM  
6 votes:
I'll just say that if I were picking a photo and trying to use it to associate someone with Nazis, I probably wouldn't pick one that includes a black kid as part of the group.

In any event, this is an organization strictly dedicated to being bigoted assholes. F*ck them, and f*ck the pwecious hurt feewings of their disgusting shills.
2014-03-06 08:05:25 PM  
5 votes:

nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?


A gay teen.  Once he knows I'm not gay, he'll leave me alone.  When a fundamentalist finds out you're not a fundamentalist, they only get worse.
2014-03-06 06:07:35 PM  
4 votes:
if the point of this was just singing taps with an arm lowering gesture as opposed to doing a salute while maybe singing taps, then
1) why do few if any kids look like they are singing.
2) I count at least 4 kids who are doing the curled-in little finger salute.

A reverse google image search shows all news-sites seem to have pulled the photo, however they may have just told google not to index it. For example it is still here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/correction-trail-life - boy-scoutsjpeg-081bfjpg/

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2014-03-06 05:57:21 PM  
3 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Ahh, yes, yet another nerves-of-steel True American who'll shoulder Paw's trusty Remington 860 and face down the ChiComs and the brainwashed armies of the lesbian liberal atheist Islamofascisocialisticommunists in the name of Reagan who instantly starts shrieking "Unfair! UNFAIR!" when the media doesn't do what he wants.


Did you read the article? I think the group is contemptible, but it sounds like of all the photos that the AP could have run, they chose the one where the angle of the arm made it look exactly like the kids were giving a Nazi salute. Since the AP has apologized, I'm going to presume that the guy has a point. I have no idea how the AP can say that they totally didn't see it since it looked like a Nazi salute to everyone else who saw it. I also don't know why they couldn't have replaced the photo with another one in a timely manner once they agreed that they had made a mistake. I highly doubt that the photographer went to the event and shot exactly one photo.

I don't like the splinter scout group, but their philosophy is pitiable enough. This gives a shred of credence to wingnuts, and I hate that.
2014-03-06 05:45:38 PM  
3 votes:

Rincewind53: Calmamity: Uhm, if they really were doing a slow hand lowering thing like he says (as though the flag is lowering, I assume), then he really has a point.

I think those kids are being exploited in a much crueler way by being indoctrinated with Christian bigotry, but that picture was bullshiat.

Yeah, I'm a flaming liberal and even I agree that this was a breach of journalistic ethics.


The AP took a shiat on journalistic ethics a decade or so ago, now they follow the almighty dollar with clickbait crap,
2014-03-06 05:44:12 PM  
3 votes:

lockers: "It really misrepresented what was going on," Stemberger told me. "There are children involved and that made it more outrageous. They were exploited and misunderstood."

You adults told them to do it. Is it unfair to mention nazi's? It was your f*cking picture. How did you fail to see it as opposed to everyone else who caught it immediately? We both know you didn't you just wanted to call yourself a victim of this obvious thing so you can to the heat off of your homophobia.


Read the article or any of the posts prior to yours
2014-03-06 05:05:52 PM  
3 votes:

Calmamity: Uhm, if they really were doing a slow hand lowering thing like he says (as though the flag is lowering, I assume), then he really has a point.

I think those kids are being exploited in a much crueler way by being indoctrinated with Christian bigotry, but that picture was bullshiat.


Yeah, I'm a flaming liberal and even I agree that this was a breach of journalistic ethics.
2014-03-06 11:02:56 PM  
2 votes:

HairBolus: if the point of this was just singing taps with an arm lowering gesture as opposed to doing a salute while maybe singing taps, then
1) why do few if any kids look like they are singing.
2) I count at least 4 kids who are doing the curled-in little finger salute.

A reverse google image search shows all news-sites seem to have pulled the photo, however they may have just told google not to index it. For example it is still here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/correction-trail-life - boy-scoutsjpeg-081bfjpg/

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Would the photographer who took the photo have apologized if they had actually been saluting Hitler?
FTFA: Merchant wrote to Stemberger that he showed the photo to some of his colleagues and they didn't seem to have a problem with it.
"I really do think it's a nice image of the boys singing a song," he wrote.


I mean, wouldn't that have read something more along the lines of "No that guy's full of shiat.  They were saluting Hitler.  I was there"?  I doubt Trail Life USA really has enough pull to get a reporter to apologize for reporting something accurately.
2014-03-06 07:15:09 PM  
2 votes:

Pitabred: just_intonation: Langston: 

Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?

Wingnuts can most definitely be left leaning. But they don't typically get syndicated radio shows, elected to office, etc., they just get ignored by the "liberals" in the US here (most of us are actually pretty centrist by any sane definition).


Al Frankenstein disagrees.
2014-03-06 05:58:32 PM  
2 votes:
"And lest there be any confusion at AP headquarters,  anyphotograph that exploits children is egregious."

I don't disagree with Fox about this photo, but I also notice that this little tidbit of indignation is just begging to be quoted back at them.
2014-03-06 05:48:51 PM  
2 votes:

lockers: "It really misrepresented what was going on," Stemberger told me. "There are children involved and that made it more outrageous. They were exploited and misunderstood."

You adults told them to do it. Is it unfair to mention nazi's? It was your f*cking picture. How did you fail to see it as opposed to everyone else who caught it immediately? We both know you didn't you just wanted to call yourself a victim of this obvious thing so you can to the heat off of your homophobia.


Did you read the article? The photo was misleading. The ceremony involved gradually lowering their arms from straight up to straight down (not inappropriate for 'taps'). The photographer chose the moment when the arms were at just the right angle to imply the Nazi salute. Deliberately misleading, and unethical.

Do try to keep up.
2014-03-06 05:47:28 PM  
2 votes:
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2014-03-06 05:46:55 PM  
2 votes:
It's articles like these that really show how many people here post without reading said article.
2014-03-06 05:04:45 PM  
2 votes:
Ahh, yes, yet another nerves-of-steel True American who'll shoulder Paw's trusty Remington 860 and face down the ChiComs and the brainwashed armies of the lesbian liberal atheist Islamofascisocialisticommunists in the name of Reagan who instantly starts shrieking "Unfair! UNFAIR!" when the media doesn't do what he wants.
2014-03-06 04:48:04 PM  
2 votes:
If they had a bunch of pictures of those kids and they were moving their arms around and that's the one they picked, yes, that is pretty low to run a picture of kids to make it look like they are giving a Nazi salute, even if they are being put into some sort of Boy Scouts knock off because their parents think the Boy Scouts are too liberal (Really?) or whatever. Those kids have enough problems.
2014-03-06 04:33:45 PM  
2 votes:
Uhm, if they really were doing a slow hand lowering thing like he says (as though the flag is lowering, I assume), then he really has a point.

I think those kids are being exploited in a much crueler way by being indoctrinated with Christian bigotry, but that picture was bullshiat.
2014-03-07 12:36:14 AM  
1 votes:
Regarding the topic of the article: The AP can EABOD over this intentionally misleading, disingenuous stunt. If you're gonna play fast and loose with the facts, expect to get called out on yer bullshiat.
2014-03-06 10:46:30 PM  
1 votes:

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Wow, I was a boy scout and hadn't a clue that taps actually had lyrics. Sure somebody played it on the trumpet while we saluted the lowering of the flag each night at scout camp, but I actually had to google the lyrics because we never sang them. Also never heard of a slow lowering of the arm, but I suppose it's plausible.


I was a Girl Scout a looong time ago, and we always sang the first verse of Taps.
2014-03-06 09:35:21 PM  
1 votes:
Anyone who pushing the idea that these kids are doing a sieg heil should be rounded up in a camp.  That's more than one person's share of derp.
2014-03-06 09:33:11 PM  
1 votes:
Keep crying, RWs.
2014-03-06 08:31:27 PM  
1 votes:

rikkidoxx: It's pure MSM BS - the arms are raised at the beginning of Taps and slowly lowered during the playing so that at the end the arm is down beside their leg. The f**king MSM lies constantly.


Can't tell if being serious. So I will assume sarcasm.

Also, I hate people who throw around "mainstream media." They are invariably the same people who claim Fox News has better ratings than everyone else combined*--which would make Fox News the mainstream media.

*They don't.
2014-03-06 07:08:32 PM  
1 votes:
A proper salute is three fingers to the forehead like an American military salute.  I RTFA, I say it's indoctrination to be just a nazi as you can get them, under a different name.
The only reason this group exists is because of hate for other human beings.


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2014-03-06 06:59:30 PM  
1 votes:

tfudtuckerpucker: It's true Tail Life USA bans gays, but did you know they also exclude... wait for it... JEWS.  And MORMONS...


They're faith based.  I'm pretty sure you can't join a synagogue or church unless you follow their religion.

I don't get the outrage against the group.  So they don't allow gays.  Why would a gay want to be around people like this?  If there's a group of assholes I'm not going to get upset if they won't let me join.  I know several MCs and most wouldn't let me in.  I have zero desire to join any of them but you won't see me throwing outrage parties over it.
2014-03-06 06:55:48 PM  
1 votes:
I don't are who these kids are or what the organization is...     the photo was dikbag journalism.

But it is the US,  and dikbag journo's are becoming the norm.
2014-03-06 06:50:49 PM  
1 votes:

just_intonation: Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?


My definition of wingnut is not limited to those on the right. I'm a political moderate, and I've been one for a long time. Maddow leans left, but if you're comparing Maddow to Limbaugh and saying that they're identical but for political ideology, I'm going to disagree pretty strongly.
2014-03-06 06:34:39 PM  
1 votes:
Article by Todd Starnes?

Since that doucheknuckle wrote TFA the reality is then probably that they were actually saying "Sieg heil" while giving the Nazi salute and spent all night talking about the best way to push Jews in to ovens while sewing stars of David on to armbands to make Jews wear.
2014-03-06 06:28:04 PM  
1 votes:

just_intonation: I think this describes any group with any agenda, meaning that we're all (yes, we, and yes, all) wingnuts, and we should all hate each other because we don't think the way you think, even if we have a reasonable philosophy.

But this is Fark, and there's no such thing as reasonable, right?


I don't agree with your premise that anybody with a point of view is a wingnut. The wingnuts I was referring to were the Rush Limbaughs of the world who shriek all day that the liberal media is against them and use that as justification to refer their listeners (or readers) to hard-right news organizations who are the most imbalanced yellow journalists I've ever seen in an open democracy.

The AP ran a picture that looked like a right-leaning anti-gay boy scout troop was performing the Nazi salute. The error was pointed out to them, and they didn't correct it when they could have, and days later they apologized.  Giving a conspiracy theorist any little shred of confirmation makes them more entrenched, and grants them credibility that they don't deserve. People like Limbaugh will take this and make a meal of it, mark my words.
2014-03-06 06:21:10 PM  
1 votes:

tfudtuckerpucker: It's true Tail Life USA bans gays, but did you know they also exclude... wait for it... JEWS.  And MORMONS...



I bet a Venn diagram of children that are members of this organization and home-schooled children looks something like this:

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2014-03-06 06:08:11 PM  
1 votes:
If only there existed some balance to the news, such that seekers of a counterpoint to every point could salve their hurt feelings.

Jesus. They complain the media's too liberal, so they only watch Approved Media. Then they biatch about what that media that they won't watch does while also saying that the Fairness Doctrine is socialism from the pits of hell.

// that would make a tasty, tasty pretzel with many knots
// that's about all that kind of thinking is good for
2014-03-06 06:02:07 PM  
1 votes:
Hey look,

We're just teaching these kids the same things they'd learn in the Scouts with a little extra intolerance in the name of Jesus and some light exposure to paranoid right-wing conspiracies. Quit trying to paint us as some sort of fringe movement.
2014-03-06 05:56:46 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, come on.  Everyone knew the moment that they saw the photo that it was obviously cherry picked.  But that doesn't make your organization or the values you are teaching your children better.
2014-03-06 05:55:15 PM  
1 votes:

Nabb1: If they had a bunch of pictures of those kids and they were moving their arms around and that's the one they picked, yes, that is pretty low to run a picture of kids to make it look like they are giving a Nazi salute, even if they are being put into some sort of Boy Scouts knock off because their parents think the Boy Scouts are too liberal (Really?) or whatever. Those kids have enough problems.


"moving their arms around"?
2014-03-06 05:53:26 PM  
1 votes:
Were they looking for Kyle?

/about this tall
2014-03-06 05:49:25 PM  
1 votes:
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2014-03-06 05:49:19 PM  
1 votes:
They're just kickin' it old school.
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2014-03-06 05:48:15 PM  
1 votes:
I sieg what you did there...
2014-03-06 05:46:04 PM  
1 votes:
You know, I don't have a problem with this group existing. Haters are gonna hate. It is sad that they are going to try to pass their hate on to children but that is their parental right.

The scary thing is what is going to happen to the poor kid in this group who realizes he is gay (or is already gay when his parents force him into the group). Poor kid is going to suffer.
2014-03-06 05:12:39 PM  
1 votes:
I have nothing against these trail boys. Their parents, on the other hand. . . .

Anyway, congrats, AP, on feeding these fundies' persecution complex. They will say they are being unfairly portrayed (and thus victimized), and in this case they'll be right.

On an aside, autocorrect changes fundies to fun dies. Make of that what you will.
2014-03-06 04:30:37 PM  
1 votes:
They did the same thing to this poor guy too:
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Damn you AP!
 
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