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(Fox News)   Right wing commentator complains it is horribly unfair that AP used an actual photograph from a meeting of a splinter Boy Scout organization started by fundamentalist Christians that shows scouts giving a Nazi-style salute   (foxnews.com ) divider line
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2014-03-06 08:05:25 PM  

nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?


A gay teen.  Once he knows I'm not gay, he'll leave me alone.  When a fundamentalist finds out you're not a fundamentalist, they only get worse.
 
2014-03-06 08:07:05 PM  
Were they looking for Kyle?

/too obscure?
 
2014-03-06 08:11:36 PM  

Cranky McOldfart: nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?

A gay teen.  Once he knows I'm not gay, he'll leave me alone.  When a fundamentalist finds out you're not a fundamentalist, they only get worse.


Well said. 100% agree.

The tent being immaculately decorated wouldn't hurt either.
 
2014-03-06 08:18:06 PM  
Fox is just trying to correct an unfortunate misrepresentation of what really happened, just like they did on their own reporting on... um...

Ah, fark it. I can't even complete the sentence with a straight face.

/Fark you, Fox, and the twits who watch it.
 
2014-03-06 08:20:18 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: :

Hey, thanks for the free month of TotalFark a while ago. I didn't get a chance to reply in that thread till it was too late. Thanks again.


You're quite welcome, sir!  Making my own yogurt has been super.  Passing the skills on to others is priceless!

You're favorited as "The Yogurt Guy"
 
2014-03-06 08:25:25 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Epic Fap Session: I bet a Venn diagram of children that are members of this organization and home-schooled children looks something like this:

I know a home schooling family with five kids.  They run a private fairgrounds and hold their own renaissance faires 4 times a year.  Their oldest son is openly gay and two of their three boys are in Scouts (including the oldest, and he's been in Scouts for years).  And this is near Tia Juana, Oklahoma, which is  exactly as cosmopolitan as it sounds.


I have a dog. He's cute and he sleeps under the covers with me. Sometimes I take him to the dog park. This is in Colorado, in the Denver suburbs.
 
2014-03-06 08:27:30 PM  

jake_lex: They should have gone with the pic of them invading a Polish restauarant.


I figured they should be clustered around the fryer at an Arby's, with their hands out testing the temperature of the steam coming off of the potato products.  Then AP could have been claiming that they were chanting "Arby's Macht Fries".
 
2014-03-06 08:31:27 PM  

rikkidoxx: It's pure MSM BS - the arms are raised at the beginning of Taps and slowly lowered during the playing so that at the end the arm is down beside their leg. The f**king MSM lies constantly.


Can't tell if being serious. So I will assume sarcasm.

Also, I hate people who throw around "mainstream media." They are invariably the same people who claim Fox News has better ratings than everyone else combined*--which would make Fox News the mainstream media.

*They don't.
 
2014-03-06 09:01:25 PM  

maram500: rikkidoxx: It's pure MSM BS - the arms are raised at the beginning of Taps and slowly lowered during the playing so that at the end the arm is down beside their leg. The f**king MSM lies constantly.

Can't tell if being serious. So I will assume sarcasm.

Also, I hate people who throw around "mainstream media." They are invariably the same people who claim Fox News has better ratings than everyone else combined*--which would make Fox News the mainstream media.

*They don't.


That's because conservatives have convinced themselves that they are constantly being persecuted by minorities.
 
2014-03-06 09:16:10 PM  

serial_crusher: They did the same thing to this poor guy too:
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Damn you AP!


Were those kids all standing around in a circle waving to large groups of people?

Or are you making excuses based on a complete failure to understand context?
 
2014-03-06 09:33:11 PM  
Keep crying, RWs.
 
2014-03-06 09:35:21 PM  
Anyone who pushing the idea that these kids are doing a sieg heil should be rounded up in a camp.  That's more than one person's share of derp.
 
2014-03-06 09:35:33 PM  
After an exhaustive youtube search, I declare that nobody ever has uploaded a video of anyone singing Taps with their arm held like that.

BUT.

There is a close match to something called the "Superman Blessing". And there is nothing gay about it. Nope. Not a thing. A group of young men can sing that blessing without ever worrying about appearing effeminate or silly. Or masculine, either. So there's that.

I can't figure out how to embed a youtube video into a fark comment, so here are the links instead.

http://youtu.be/YPsWAu2Gmt0

http://youtu.be/0Uc3DI6D8YY
 
2014-03-06 09:45:07 PM  
Yeah, it's always unfair when someone uses Fox's tactics to inspire outrage at minute details, especially when they're not exactly minute.
 
2014-03-06 09:59:31 PM  

nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?


The one who farts the least.
 
2014-03-06 10:01:24 PM  

HairBolus: if the point of this was just singing taps with an arm lowering gesture as opposed to doing a salute while maybe singing taps, then
1) why do few if any kids look like they are singing.
2) I count at least 4 kids who are doing the curled-in little finger salute.

A reverse google image search shows all news-sites seem to have pulled the photo, however they may have just told google not to index it. For example it is still here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/correction-trail-life - boy-scoutsjpeg-081bfjpg/

best resolution (click for new window)
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^^^^^^
THIS
 
2014-03-06 10:10:07 PM  
Who really cares if they were really doing a Nazi salute or not doing a Nazi salute, or whether or not they were victimized by the AP? The most important thing is that the whole situation is HILARIOUS.

Let's try to keep our priorities straight,
 
2014-03-06 10:46:30 PM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Wow, I was a boy scout and hadn't a clue that taps actually had lyrics. Sure somebody played it on the trumpet while we saluted the lowering of the flag each night at scout camp, but I actually had to google the lyrics because we never sang them. Also never heard of a slow lowering of the arm, but I suppose it's plausible.


I was a Girl Scout a looong time ago, and we always sang the first verse of Taps.
 
2014-03-06 10:59:30 PM  

artifishy: serial_crusher: They did the same thing to this poor guy too:
[loyalopposition.files.wordpress.com image 400x273]

Damn you AP!

Were those kids all standing around in a circle waving to large groups of people?

Or are you making excuses based on a complete failure to understand context?


Well, I thought I was just making fun of both groups taking similar AP photos out of context.  But yeah, I'll go ahead and defer to your superior understanding of the topic...
 
2014-03-06 11:02:56 PM  

HairBolus: if the point of this was just singing taps with an arm lowering gesture as opposed to doing a salute while maybe singing taps, then
1) why do few if any kids look like they are singing.
2) I count at least 4 kids who are doing the curled-in little finger salute.

A reverse google image search shows all news-sites seem to have pulled the photo, however they may have just told google not to index it. For example it is still here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/correction-trail-life - boy-scoutsjpeg-081bfjpg/

best resolution (click for new window)
[extras.mnginteractive.com image 645x417]


Would the photographer who took the photo have apologized if they had actually been saluting Hitler?
FTFA: Merchant wrote to Stemberger that he showed the photo to some of his colleagues and they didn't seem to have a problem with it.
"I really do think it's a nice image of the boys singing a song," he wrote.


I mean, wouldn't that have read something more along the lines of "No that guy's full of shiat.  They were saluting Hitler.  I was there"?  I doubt Trail Life USA really has enough pull to get a reporter to apologize for reporting something accurately.
 
2014-03-06 11:04:01 PM  
Singing Taps???
 
2014-03-06 11:20:33 PM  

Lorelle: I was a Girl Scout a looong time ago, and we always sang the first verse of Taps.


Like...always?
 
2014-03-06 11:27:57 PM  
Apparently all "saluting" is now Nazi-saluting. Okaaay. Not sure how picky biatches salute that's so different than this, but apparently it is.

People gonna biatch about everything.

Who cares if a buncha homophobes don't want anyone in their little No-Queens Club? You do realize you don't want to spend time with such a moronic bunch of mouth-breathing ham-and-eggers, right? Right. So who cares?
 
2014-03-06 11:28:01 PM  

daha: I can't figure out how to embed a youtube video into a fark comment, so here are the links instead.

http://youtu.be/YPsWAu2Gmt0

http://youtu.be/0Uc3DI6D8YY


Those are some brilliant indoctrinal rituals.

"Are your kids spending too much time pretending to fly around like superman to give proper thanks to the Lord?  Well, we have just the hook for you to firmly gouge into their pudgy little cheeks."

But for you we may need to take a more serious look at why striking a superman flying pose seems ...ahem..."nothing gay about it. Nope. Not a thing."

/NTTAWWT
 
2014-03-06 11:41:12 PM  

Langston: just_intonation: Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?

My definition of wingnut is not limited to those on the right. I'm a political moderate, and I've been one for a long time. Maddow leans left, but if you're comparing Maddow to Limbaugh and saying that they're identical but for political ideology, I'm going to disagree pretty strongly.


Agreed.

Maddox: Ph.D in political science from Oxford

vs.

Limbaugh: According to his own mother, he "flunked everything" during the two semesters he attended Backwater State U.

If I'm looking for informed commentary on political issues, I sure as shiat ain't gonna be looking for it from Limbaugh.
 
2014-03-06 11:54:27 PM  

CruJones: CruJones: Pitabred: just_intonation: Langston:
Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?

Wingnuts can most definitely be left leaning. But they don't typically get syndicated radio shows, elected to office, etc., they just get ignored by the "liberals" in the US here (most of us are actually pretty centrist by any sane definition).

Al Frankenstein disagrees.

Damn you autocorrect. Franken.


Actually, I think it's appropriate.  :-D
 
2014-03-06 11:56:16 PM  

maram500: rikkidoxx: It's pure MSM BS - the arms are raised at the beginning of Taps and slowly lowered during the playing so that at the end the arm is down beside their leg. The f**king MSM lies constantly.

Can't tell if being serious. So I will assume sarcasm.

Also, I hate people who throw around "mainstream media." They are invariably the same people who claim Fox News has better ratings than everyone else combined*--which would make Fox News the mainstream media.

*They don't.


Doesn't matter.  They all lie -- either outright or by omission.
 
2014-03-07 12:00:38 AM  

Iowan73: Say, you know all those boys in the group you formed just to keep them from catching gay from the Boy Scouts?

Some of them are gay, too, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.


And if the Scouts had adopted "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I can't wait, though, to see what happens when one of these Trail Lifers comes out.  It's going to happen; it's just a matter of when.  Or when one of them gets abused by an adult leader (not that I *want* that to happen, mind you!).  That will get very interesting indeed.
 
2014-03-07 12:02:08 AM  

Baloo Uriza: Epic Fap Session: I bet a Venn diagram of children that are members of this organization and home-schooled children looks something like this:

I know a home schooling family with five kids.  They run a private fairgrounds and hold their own renaissance faires 4 times a year.  Their oldest son is openly gay and two of their three boys are in Scouts (including the oldest, and he's been in Scouts for years).  And this is near Tia Juana, Oklahoma, which is  exactly as cosmopolitan as it sounds.


(checks profile)

Yeah, I think I know who you're talking about...
 
2014-03-07 12:04:52 AM  

Kittypie070: Keep crying, RWs.


Keep being douchebags, LWs.  You're pushing them further and further right, and then ridiculing them for reacting that way to your douchiness.
 
2014-03-07 12:09:34 AM  

just_intonation: Kittypie070: Keep crying, RWs.

Keep being douchebags, LWs.  You're pushing them further and further right, and then ridiculing them for reacting that way to your douchiness.


Listen woman, I wouldn't have to hit you if you knew how to act.
 
2014-03-07 12:10:21 AM  

MustangFive: Langston: just_intonation: Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?

My definition of wingnut is not limited to those on the right. I'm a political moderate, and I've been one for a long time. Maddow leans left, but if you're comparing Maddow to Limbaugh and saying that they're identical but for political ideology, I'm going to disagree pretty strongly.

Agreed.

Maddox: Ph.D in political science from Oxford


And the sense of smug self-entitlement that goes along with it

vs.

Limbaugh: According to his own mother, he "flunked everything" during the two semesters he attended Backwater State U.


And I won't defend Rush either.  He's a pompous windbag with an audience, and the self-righteousness that he feels he's earned.

If I'm looking for informed commentary on political issues, I sure as shiat ain't gonna be looking for it from Limbaugh.

Is there any such thing as 'informed' commentary?  It's 'political' commentary, which is less informed and more biased.
 
2014-03-07 12:12:02 AM  

Epic Fap Session: just_intonation: Kittypie070: Keep crying, RWs.

Keep being douchebags, LWs.  You're pushing them further and further right, and then ridiculing them for reacting that way to your douchiness.

Listen woman, I wouldn't have to hit you if you knew how to act.


Which is why I'll shoot you the next time you raise a hand to me, and call it self-defense -- and get away with it.
 
2014-03-07 12:23:04 AM  

just_intonation: Epic Fap Session: just_intonation: Kittypie070: Keep crying, RWs.

Keep being douchebags, LWs.  You're pushing them further and further right, and then ridiculing them for reacting that way to your douchiness.

Listen woman, I wouldn't have to hit you if you knew how to act.

Which is why I'll shoot you the next time you raise a hand to me, and call it self-defense -- and get away with it.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-07 12:29:34 AM  

just_intonation: MustangFive: Langston: just_intonation: Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?

My definition of wingnut is not limited to those on the right. I'm a political moderate, and I've been one for a long time. Maddow leans left, but if you're comparing Maddow to Limbaugh and saying that they're identical but for political ideology, I'm going to disagree pretty strongly.

Agreed.

Maddox: Ph.D in political science from Oxford

And the sense of smug self-entitlement that goes along with it

vs.

Limbaugh: According to his own mother, he "flunked everything" during the two semesters he attended Backwater State U.

And I won't defend Rush either.  He's a pompous windbag with an audience, and the self-righteousness that he feels he's earned.

If I'm looking for informed commentary on political issues, I sure as shiat ain't gonna be looking for it from Limbaugh.

Is there any such thing as 'informed' commentary?  It's 'political' commentary, which is less informed and more biased.


Sure there is. Informed would be along the lines of, "Here's what the issue is, here's my opinion on the subject and here's why," backed up by facts, credible sources and logic/reasoning. Uninformed would be along the lines of, "The other side is bad because they're the other side," backed up by innuendo, "some dude's blog" and specious reasoning/logical fallacies.

Maddow usually does the former, Limbaugh nearly always does the latter.
 
2014-03-07 12:30:43 AM  
I issue a silly playground taunt and I get threatened with being shot?
 
2014-03-07 12:31:36 AM  
Or...some other Farker gets threatened with being shot??
 
2014-03-07 12:34:55 AM  

Kittypie070: Or...some other Farker gets threatened with being shot??


Don't try to apply logic and reason to it.
 
2014-03-07 12:36:14 AM  
Regarding the topic of the article: The AP can EABOD over this intentionally misleading, disingenuous stunt. If you're gonna play fast and loose with the facts, expect to get called out on yer bullshiat.
 
2014-03-07 12:38:17 AM  

Kittypie070: I issue a silly playground taunt and I get threatened with being shot?



"Listen woman, I wouldn't have to hit you if you knew how to act."

That's a silly playground taunt? Damn.  Where'd you grow up?
 
2014-03-07 01:57:02 AM  
I for one am very sorry that reports, of the "Trail Life" movement's elemental and fanatical embrace of deliberately ignorant, passionate hatred of fantastical and fictional caricatures of what has been suggested to them as antagonists, have been found both truthful and accurate.
 
2014-03-07 02:06:06 AM  

nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?


I wouldn't care. But they would.  My snoring sounds like a narcoleptic bear accidentally skewering a walrus while humping an active geyser
 
2014-03-07 02:14:06 AM  
I was in two Boy Scout troops in Sarasota, FL in the early Sixties.  We sang "Taps" in both and never, ever did that arm bit.  Likewise, when we went to the local Boy Scout camp, Camp Flying Eagle with dozens of other area troops, no one did that arm bit, either.

OTOH, at one troop, Troop 8, we did have one kid who had a thing about going around at meetings when the scoutmaster wasn't looking and grabbing the other Scouts' cocks through their clothing.  He tried it with me and I punched him in the face.  A few others did the same and he soon left.
 
2014-03-07 03:18:15 AM  

wellreadneck: Kittypie070: I issue a silly playground taunt and I get threatened with being shot?


"Listen woman, I wouldn't have to hit you if you knew how to act."

That's a silly playground taunt? Damn.  Where'd you grow up?


One of the milder-mannered suburbs of Hell.
 
2014-03-07 03:21:25 AM  
An organization, whose sole purpose for existing is to promote discrimination against a marginalized group, is outraged that people might interpret their arms being extended in unison as a Hitler salute.
 
2014-03-07 05:26:34 AM  

daha: After an exhaustive youtube search, I declare that nobody ever has uploaded a video of anyone singing Taps with their arm held like that.

BUT.

There is a close match to something called the "Superman Blessing". And there is nothing gay about it. Nope. Not a thing. A group of young men can sing that blessing without ever worrying about appearing effeminate or silly. Or masculine, either. So there's that.

I can't figure out how to embed a youtube video into a fark comment, so here are the links instead.

http://youtu.be/YPsWAu2Gmt0

http://youtu.be/0Uc3DI6D8YY


How much of a nerd do I have to be to feel less angry at a picture that may or may not depict children giving a Nazi salute but be more annoyed that these people from those YouTube videos are ripping off Superman?

We get it, Christians. Your invisible ghost cloud monster is the bee's knees. *fart* Not into it.

Leave the last son of Krypton out of your religious mess. His god damned planet exploded, hasn't he been through enough?
 
2014-03-07 09:04:45 AM  

just_intonation: Baloo Uriza: Epic Fap Session: I bet a Venn diagram of children that are members of this organization and home-schooled children looks something like this:

I know a home schooling family with five kids.  They run a private fairgrounds and hold their own renaissance faires 4 times a year.  Their oldest son is openly gay and two of their three boys are in Scouts (including the oldest, and he's been in Scouts for years).  And this is near Tia Juana, Oklahoma, which is  exactly as cosmopolitan as it sounds.

(checks profile)

Yeah, I think I know who you're talking about...


Hah, do we know each other?
 
2014-03-07 09:45:30 AM  

daha: After an exhaustive youtube search, I declare that nobody ever has uploaded a video of anyone singing Taps with their arm held like that.


Could be a one-armed version of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLib1N0uuL0
You could get some good selective screenshots from the beginning of this one: http://vimeo.com/21864360

/ But yeah, I do take objection to TFA calling it a boy scout tradition.  We never did that kind of shiat in my troop.  All the videos I could find were of girl scouts.  It would seem mighty gay if boys were doing this, which doesn't seem to be what Trail Life USA is going for...
 
2014-03-07 11:08:41 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: This says it all:. Narrow-minded evil bigots passing their evil down to their kids.

You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

(Actually from Rogers and Hammerstein's South Pacific)



 They f*ck you up, your mum and dad.
    They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
    And add some extra, just for you.

But they were f*cked up in their turn
    By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
    And half at one another's throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
    It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
    And don't have any kids yourself.

_Philip Larkin
 
2014-03-07 01:27:49 PM  
Hey The Texas Troops hate black people, latino people, gay people, and non christians. But they don't hail hitler.
 
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