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(Fox News)   Right wing commentator complains it is horribly unfair that AP used an actual photograph from a meeting of a splinter Boy Scout organization started by fundamentalist Christians that shows scouts giving a Nazi-style salute   (foxnews.com) divider line 153
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2014-03-06 04:30:37 PM  
They did the same thing to this poor guy too:
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Damn you AP!
 
2014-03-06 04:33:45 PM  
Uhm, if they really were doing a slow hand lowering thing like he says (as though the flag is lowering, I assume), then he really has a point.

I think those kids are being exploited in a much crueler way by being indoctrinated with Christian bigotry, but that picture was bullshiat.
 
2014-03-06 04:47:27 PM  
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2014-03-06 04:48:04 PM  
If they had a bunch of pictures of those kids and they were moving their arms around and that's the one they picked, yes, that is pretty low to run a picture of kids to make it look like they are giving a Nazi salute, even if they are being put into some sort of Boy Scouts knock off because their parents think the Boy Scouts are too liberal (Really?) or whatever. Those kids have enough problems.
 
2014-03-06 04:53:39 PM  
It's was either that one or the one where they all posed next to the gas chamber. AP did what it could.
 
2014-03-06 04:56:58 PM  
I'll just say that if I were picking a photo and trying to use it to associate someone with Nazis, I probably wouldn't pick one that includes a black kid as part of the group.

In any event, this is an organization strictly dedicated to being bigoted assholes. F*ck them, and f*ck the pwecious hurt feewings of their disgusting shills.
 
2014-03-06 05:04:45 PM  
Ahh, yes, yet another nerves-of-steel True American who'll shoulder Paw's trusty Remington 860 and face down the ChiComs and the brainwashed armies of the lesbian liberal atheist Islamofascisocialisticommunists in the name of Reagan who instantly starts shrieking "Unfair! UNFAIR!" when the media doesn't do what he wants.
 
2014-03-06 05:05:52 PM  

Calmamity: Uhm, if they really were doing a slow hand lowering thing like he says (as though the flag is lowering, I assume), then he really has a point.

I think those kids are being exploited in a much crueler way by being indoctrinated with Christian bigotry, but that picture was bullshiat.


Yeah, I'm a flaming liberal and even I agree that this was a breach of journalistic ethics.
 
2014-03-06 05:07:21 PM  
They should have gone with the pic of them invading a Polish restauarant.
 
2014-03-06 05:12:39 PM  
I have nothing against these trail boys. Their parents, on the other hand. . . .

Anyway, congrats, AP, on feeding these fundies' persecution complex. They will say they are being unfairly portrayed (and thus victimized), and in this case they'll be right.

On an aside, autocorrect changes fundies to fun dies. Make of that what you will.
 
2014-03-06 05:23:14 PM  
The boys had gathered in a circle with their hands raised straight into the air. They gradually lowered their hands as they sang the song [Taps]. It concludes with their hands flush against their side.

OK, I'll buy that.


Three Crooked Squirrels: Anyway, congrats, AP, on feeding these fundies' persecution complex. They will say they are being unfairly portrayed (and thus victimized), and in this case they'll be right.


Well - about the unfair portrayal part.  Not the victimization part, they do that themselves.
 
2014-03-06 05:37:19 PM  
"It really misrepresented what was going on," Stemberger told me. "There are children involved and that made it more outrageous. They were exploited and misunderstood."

You adults told them to do it. Is it unfair to mention nazi's? It was your f*cking picture. How did you fail to see it as opposed to everyone else who caught it immediately? We both know you didn't you just wanted to call yourself a victim of this obvious thing so you can to the heat off of your homophobia.
 
2014-03-06 05:44:12 PM  

lockers: "It really misrepresented what was going on," Stemberger told me. "There are children involved and that made it more outrageous. They were exploited and misunderstood."

You adults told them to do it. Is it unfair to mention nazi's? It was your f*cking picture. How did you fail to see it as opposed to everyone else who caught it immediately? We both know you didn't you just wanted to call yourself a victim of this obvious thing so you can to the heat off of your homophobia.


Read the article or any of the posts prior to yours
 
2014-03-06 05:45:38 PM  

Rincewind53: Calmamity: Uhm, if they really were doing a slow hand lowering thing like he says (as though the flag is lowering, I assume), then he really has a point.

I think those kids are being exploited in a much crueler way by being indoctrinated with Christian bigotry, but that picture was bullshiat.

Yeah, I'm a flaming liberal and even I agree that this was a breach of journalistic ethics.


The AP took a shiat on journalistic ethics a decade or so ago, now they follow the almighty dollar with clickbait crap,
 
2014-03-06 05:46:04 PM  
You know, I don't have a problem with this group existing. Haters are gonna hate. It is sad that they are going to try to pass their hate on to children but that is their parental right.

The scary thing is what is going to happen to the poor kid in this group who realizes he is gay (or is already gay when his parents force him into the group). Poor kid is going to suffer.
 
2014-03-06 05:46:55 PM  
It's articles like these that really show how many people here post without reading said article.
 
2014-03-06 05:47:10 PM  
Bigot gets smeared?

My outrage knows lots of bounds...
 
2014-03-06 05:47:28 PM  
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2014-03-06 05:48:15 PM  
I sieg what you did there...
 
2014-03-06 05:48:46 PM  

happydude45: lockers: "It really misrepresented what was going on," Stemberger told me. "There are children involved and that made it more outrageous. They were exploited and misunderstood."

You adults told them to do it. Is it unfair to mention nazi's? It was your f*cking picture. How did you fail to see it as opposed to everyone else who caught it immediately? We both know you didn't you just wanted to call yourself a victim of this obvious thing so you can to the heat off of your homophobia.

Read the article or any of the posts prior to yours


DON'T TELL HIM WHAT TO DO!!
 
2014-03-06 05:48:48 PM  

jake_lex: They should have gone with the pic of them invading a Polish restauarant.


Or the one where they were all throwing jewish people into a huge ove ... Wait. that's no good.
/nothin
 
2014-03-06 05:48:51 PM  

lockers: "It really misrepresented what was going on," Stemberger told me. "There are children involved and that made it more outrageous. They were exploited and misunderstood."

You adults told them to do it. Is it unfair to mention nazi's? It was your f*cking picture. How did you fail to see it as opposed to everyone else who caught it immediately? We both know you didn't you just wanted to call yourself a victim of this obvious thing so you can to the heat off of your homophobia.


Did you read the article? The photo was misleading. The ceremony involved gradually lowering their arms from straight up to straight down (not inappropriate for 'taps'). The photographer chose the moment when the arms were at just the right angle to imply the Nazi salute. Deliberately misleading, and unethical.

Do try to keep up.
 
MFK
2014-03-06 05:49:14 PM  

KidneyStone: It's articles like these that really show how many people here post without reading said article.


I read the article. It was by some bigoted dickwad who had his panties in a bunch because this group of bigoted dickwads looks bad making the Nazi salute.
 
2014-03-06 05:49:19 PM  
They're just kickin' it old school.
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2014-03-06 05:49:25 PM  
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2014-03-06 05:49:47 PM  
Pawnee scouts lead by Ron Swanson?
 
2014-03-06 05:50:09 PM  
Probably old, but you get the idea.
 
2014-03-06 05:50:09 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: I have nothing against these trail boys. Their parents, on the other hand. . . .

Anyway, congrats, AP, on feeding these fundies' persecution complex. They will say they are being unfairly portrayed (and thus victimized), and in this case they'll be right.

On an aside, autocorrect changes fundies to fun dies. Make of that what you will.


That last part made me chuckle.
 
2014-03-06 05:50:17 PM  
This says it all:. Narrow-minded evil bigots passing their evil down to their kids.

You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

(Actually from Rogers and Hammerstein's South Pacific)
 
2014-03-06 05:51:06 PM  
i.. i read the comments from the, uhhhhhhhh--article... now I feel bad.
 
2014-03-06 05:51:35 PM  
Dagnabbit.  Thought I hit preview.  :/

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2014-03-06 05:51:45 PM  
It says they dont allow openly gay people, so closet cases only?
 
2014-03-06 05:51:58 PM  
Um... they're a scummy organization with scummy values and they should probably get used to being viewed as scum.
 
2014-03-06 05:52:44 PM  
Trail Life? More like Heil Life, amiright?
 
2014-03-06 05:53:26 PM  
Were they looking for Kyle?

/about this tall
 
2014-03-06 05:54:31 PM  

hitlersbrain: Um... they're a scummy organization with scummy values and they should probably get used to being viewed as scum.


I tell you, in an article about kids doing something that could be mistaken as a Nazi salute, I'm going to have to say a guy named hitlersbrain probably knows his stuff.
 
2014-03-06 05:55:07 PM  
So apparently a photograph that gives the impression that young boys are saluting Hitler (when in fact they were not) is not egregious enough for the Associated Press?

Not if it involves a religious group organized around anti-gay ideology. They are fair game, it seems.

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2014-03-06 05:55:15 PM  

Nabb1: If they had a bunch of pictures of those kids and they were moving their arms around and that's the one they picked, yes, that is pretty low to run a picture of kids to make it look like they are giving a Nazi salute, even if they are being put into some sort of Boy Scouts knock off because their parents think the Boy Scouts are too liberal (Really?) or whatever. Those kids have enough problems.


"moving their arms around"?
 
2014-03-06 05:55:38 PM  

12349876: They're just kickin' it old school.


The year was 1915. All those kids were probably Democrats.
 
2014-03-06 05:55:45 PM  

AltheaToldMe: notthisshiatagain.jpg


Hey, thanks for the free month of TotalFark a while ago. I didn't get a chance to reply in that thread till it was too late. Thanks again.
 
2014-03-06 05:56:46 PM  
Oh, come on.  Everyone knew the moment that they saw the photo that it was obviously cherry picked.  But that doesn't make your organization or the values you are teaching your children better.
 
2014-03-06 05:56:51 PM  

wambu: So apparently a photograph that gives the impression that young boys are saluting Hitler (when in fact they were not) is not egregious enough for the Associated Press?

Not if it involves a religious group organized around anti-gay ideology. They are fair game, it seems.

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That never fails to make me laugh.
 
2014-03-06 05:57:03 PM  
So you mean to tell if you put a story out there (even if not completely true) and let it sit that it might give people the wrong impression and possibly lead to anger against a group or person? Someone should let the Tea Party know about this tactic.
 
2014-03-06 05:57:21 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Ahh, yes, yet another nerves-of-steel True American who'll shoulder Paw's trusty Remington 860 and face down the ChiComs and the brainwashed armies of the lesbian liberal atheist Islamofascisocialisticommunists in the name of Reagan who instantly starts shrieking "Unfair! UNFAIR!" when the media doesn't do what he wants.


Did you read the article? I think the group is contemptible, but it sounds like of all the photos that the AP could have run, they chose the one where the angle of the arm made it look exactly like the kids were giving a Nazi salute. Since the AP has apologized, I'm going to presume that the guy has a point. I have no idea how the AP can say that they totally didn't see it since it looked like a Nazi salute to everyone else who saw it. I also don't know why they couldn't have replaced the photo with another one in a timely manner once they agreed that they had made a mistake. I highly doubt that the photographer went to the event and shot exactly one photo.

I don't like the splinter scout group, but their philosophy is pitiable enough. This gives a shred of credence to wingnuts, and I hate that.
 
2014-03-06 05:58:32 PM  
"And lest there be any confusion at AP headquarters,  anyphotograph that exploits children is egregious."

I don't disagree with Fox about this photo, but I also notice that this little tidbit of indignation is just begging to be quoted back at them.
 
2014-03-06 05:58:45 PM  
Mein Kampfire Girls.

/shamelessly stolen from an earlier thread
 
2014-03-06 06:00:53 PM  
conservative 'brownshirt' youth organization says what?
 
2014-03-06 06:01:52 PM  
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2014-03-06 06:01:57 PM  
Way to ruin all the fun FOX.
 
2014-03-06 06:02:07 PM  
Hey look,

We're just teaching these kids the same things they'd learn in the Scouts with a little extra intolerance in the name of Jesus and some light exposure to paranoid right-wing conspiracies. Quit trying to paint us as some sort of fringe movement.
 
2014-03-06 06:04:28 PM  
'article' authored by Todd 'self-righteous indignation of the perpetually persecuted' Starnes

enough said...  look up his other 'articles'... this is his entire schtick... this is all he has.
 
2014-03-06 06:07:03 PM  
You guys are slipping. So, allow me:

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And, just for fun:

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2014-03-06 06:07:35 PM  
if the point of this was just singing taps with an arm lowering gesture as opposed to doing a salute while maybe singing taps, then
1) why do few if any kids look like they are singing.
2) I count at least 4 kids who are doing the curled-in little finger salute.

A reverse google image search shows all news-sites seem to have pulled the photo, however they may have just told google not to index it. For example it is still here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/correction-trail-life - boy-scoutsjpeg-081bfjpg/

best resolution (click for new window)
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2014-03-06 06:08:11 PM  
If only there existed some balance to the news, such that seekers of a counterpoint to every point could salve their hurt feelings.

Jesus. They complain the media's too liberal, so they only watch Approved Media. Then they biatch about what that media that they won't watch does while also saying that the Fairness Doctrine is socialism from the pits of hell.

// that would make a tasty, tasty pretzel with many knots
// that's about all that kind of thinking is good for
 
2014-03-06 06:09:17 PM  
meh.  this is just whargarbbl about people jumping to conclusions. it'd be nice if i could be warned who the authors are on these Fox links.  i dont want to contribute the page hits that justify their writing.  oh well.

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2014-03-06 06:10:47 PM  

Langston: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Ahh, yes, yet another nerves-of-steel True American who'll shoulder Paw's trusty Remington 860 and face down the ChiComs and the brainwashed armies of the lesbian liberal atheist Islamofascisocialisticommunists in the name of Reagan who instantly starts shrieking "Unfair! UNFAIR!" when the media doesn't do what he wants.

Did you read the article? I think the group is contemptible, but it sounds like of all the photos that the AP could have run, they chose the one where the angle of the arm made it look exactly like the kids were giving a Nazi salute. Since the AP has apologized, I'm going to presume that the guy has a point. I have no idea how the AP can say that they totally didn't see it since it looked like a Nazi salute to everyone else who saw it. I also don't know why they couldn't have replaced the photo with another one in a timely manner once they agreed that they had made a mistake. I highly doubt that the photographer went to the event and shot exactly one photo.

I don't like the splinter scout group, but their philosophy is pitiable enough. This gives a shred of credence to wingnuts, and I hate that.


Wish I could just quote your last paragraph only, but since I'm using a mobile device, I can't.

That being said, I think this describes any group with any agenda, meaning that we're all (yes, we, and yes, all) wingnuts, and we should all hate each other because we don't think the way you think, even if we have a reasonable philosophy.

But this is Fark, and there's no such thing as reasonable, right?

These kids don't fully comprehend why they're no longer Boy Scouts (if they even were to start with) and for that I'm truly sad. Not because I agree with the position BSA has taken, but because everyone will look at them and say, "Oh, you're part of *that* group! Bless your heart!" and not have a clue as to why.

Wonder when this will happen to Girl Scouts, and how loud *that* reaction will be.

/who am I kidding? No one will give a shiat, because it's *girls*
 
2014-03-06 06:11:16 PM  
Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?
 
2014-03-06 06:12:21 PM  

Sofa King Smart: 'article' authored by Todd 'self-righteous indignation of the perpetually persecuted' Starnes

enough said...  look up his other 'articles'... this is his entire schtick... this is all he has.


Todd Starnes is Fark magic. Everything he writes is so incredibly biased and inane it ends up on the main page.
 
2014-03-06 06:13:57 PM  
So, conservaderp is upset that a series of photos, that very much look like they were taken in context and not just by holding down the autoshutter, calls out a group that thinks the Boy Scouts are too modern and progressive for what they are?  Oh, I'm so sorry that reality has a leftist bias, then.

/Scouter
 
2014-03-06 06:14:13 PM  

nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?


oh no contest, the fundamentalist teen. They need to do bad things to live up to all the guilt they've been told to feel.

And if they need help with that, okay then.
 
2014-03-06 06:14:38 PM  
My scout troop was about nothing other than camping and community projects.  No religious stuff, and we didn't wear those lame uniforms except at formal meetings.  Not all scouts are bigoted assholes.
 
2014-03-06 06:15:37 PM  
It's true Tail Life USA bans gays, but did you know they also exclude... wait for it... JEWS.  And MORMONS...
 
2014-03-06 06:18:37 PM  

nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?


The gay teen. He knows better than to come onto somebody who isn't attracted to him.
 
2014-03-06 06:20:20 PM  

CruJones: My scout troop was about nothing other than camping and community projects.  No religious stuff, and we didn't wear those lame uniforms except at formal meetings.  Not all scouts are bigoted assholes.


I wish more were like that.

The problem is that many (if not the majority) of troops have churches as their chartering organizations, and have their flavor of religious derp shoved down their throats with extra derpy sauce in most cases.

Every one of these Trail Life troops fall onto that category.
 
2014-03-06 06:20:36 PM  
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2014-03-06 06:21:10 PM  

tfudtuckerpucker: It's true Tail Life USA bans gays, but did you know they also exclude... wait for it... JEWS.  And MORMONS...



I bet a Venn diagram of children that are members of this organization and home-schooled children looks something like this:

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2014-03-06 06:21:43 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: ...and face down the ChiComs and the brainwashed armies of the lesbian liberal atheist Islamofascisocialisticommunists

...

Just as a minor tactical tip: You'd get a lot more mileage out of cute, sexually aggressive, bi-curious lesbian liberal atheist Islamofascisocialisticommunists. I, for one, would probably defect and turn over my weapon. Immediately.

...Just something to think about should you find yourself on the planning committee.
 
2014-03-06 06:23:05 PM  

tfudtuckerpucker: It's true Tail Life USA bans gays, but did you know they also exclude... wait for it... JEWS.  And MORMONS...


And you're surprised by this... why?

Because they hold books other than the King James Bible in high regard, and/ or don't believe Jesus is the (only) Messiah.

Color me shocked at that.
 
2014-03-06 06:28:04 PM  

just_intonation: I think this describes any group with any agenda, meaning that we're all (yes, we, and yes, all) wingnuts, and we should all hate each other because we don't think the way you think, even if we have a reasonable philosophy.

But this is Fark, and there's no such thing as reasonable, right?


I don't agree with your premise that anybody with a point of view is a wingnut. The wingnuts I was referring to were the Rush Limbaughs of the world who shriek all day that the liberal media is against them and use that as justification to refer their listeners (or readers) to hard-right news organizations who are the most imbalanced yellow journalists I've ever seen in an open democracy.

The AP ran a picture that looked like a right-leaning anti-gay boy scout troop was performing the Nazi salute. The error was pointed out to them, and they didn't correct it when they could have, and days later they apologized.  Giving a conspiracy theorist any little shred of confirmation makes them more entrenched, and grants them credibility that they don't deserve. People like Limbaugh will take this and make a meal of it, mark my words.
 
2014-03-06 06:29:12 PM  

tfudtuckerpucker: It's true Tail Life USA bans gays, but did you know they also exclude... wait for it... JEWS.  And MORMONS...


Huh. Wow. They do indeed specifically exclude Jews. I'm beginning to wonder if the fundie doth protest too much.
 
2014-03-06 06:29:40 PM  
I remember this from last week, but was the photo from an AP photographer, or did someone else (like trail scouts) supply the image?
 
2014-03-06 06:29:43 PM  

just_intonation: Wonder when this will happen to Girl Scouts, and how loud *that* reaction will be.

/who am I kidding? No one will give a shiat, because it's *girls*


If I'm not mistaken it happened to the Girl Scouts first... what with them being lesbo-femi-nazis who teach girls about contraception and abortion and what not... there was some dumbass state representative from northern Indiana who made a big deal about standing firm in opposition to the liberal agenda of the Girl Scouts and his daughters would be joining some Prairie girls or some such nonsense.

Bob Morris, Ft Wayne.
 
2014-03-06 06:30:19 PM  
*sigh* funny, but I think churches have been raising their hands in praise, and a few going overboard and running around the room with their arms spread out like wings since before I was born. 

Also, article needed more pictures in order to back their stance in comparison to the complainer.  Who said in article that the hands were raised higher than that probably vertical (aka raising hands in praise)then lowered slowly during the song.

On another note, if it is a salute. Then some people at sports games are doing the wave wrong by only using one arm.  The nazi bastards.
 
2014-03-06 06:34:39 PM  
Article by Todd Starnes?

Since that doucheknuckle wrote TFA the reality is then probably that they were actually saying "Sieg heil" while giving the Nazi salute and spent all night talking about the best way to push Jews in to ovens while sewing stars of David on to armbands to make Jews wear.
 
2014-03-06 06:38:36 PM  
Wow, I was a boy scout and hadn't a clue that taps actually had lyrics. Sure somebody played it on the trumpet while we saluted the lowering of the flag each night at scout camp, but I actually had to google the lyrics because we never sang them. Also never heard of a slow lowering of the arm, but I suppose it's plausible.

If a group of backwards arse country farks want to get together in the woods hate gays together while they camp and participate it rituals, it's no weirder than any other religion.
 
2014-03-06 06:39:09 PM  

Langston: just_intonation: I think this describes any group with any agenda, meaning that we're all (yes, we, and yes, all) wingnuts, and we should all hate each other because we don't think the way you think, even if we have a reasonable philosophy.

But this is Fark, and there's no such thing as reasonable, right?

I don't agree with your premise that anybody with a point of view is a wingnut. The wingnuts I was referring to were the Rush Limbaughs of the world who shriek all day that the liberal media is against them and use that as justification to refer their listeners (or readers) to hard-right news organizations who are the most imbalanced yellow journalists I've ever seen in an open democracy.

The AP ran a picture that looked like a right-leaning anti-gay boy scout troop was performing the Nazi salute. The error was pointed out to them, and they didn't correct it when they could have, and days later they apologized.  Giving a conspiracy theorist any little shred of confirmation makes them more entrenched, and grants them credibility that they don't deserve. People like Limbaugh will take this and make a meal of it, mark my words.


Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?
 
2014-03-06 06:40:46 PM  

Farking Canuck: You know, I don't have a problem with this group existing. Haters are gonna hate. It is sad that they are going to try to pass their hate on to children but that is their parental right.

The scary thing is what is going to happen to the poor kid in this group who realizes he is gay (or is already gay when his parents force him into the group). Poor kid is going to suffer.


Or to the two or three kids in the group when they realize they are black. Nazis hate blacks just as much as they hate Jews.
 
2014-03-06 06:41:05 PM  

Sofa King Smart: just_intonation: Wonder when this will happen to Girl Scouts, and how loud *that* reaction will be.

/who am I kidding? No one will give a shiat, because it's *girls*

If I'm not mistaken it happened to the Girl Scouts first... what with them being lesbo-femi-nazis who teach girls about contraception and abortion and what not... there was some dumbass state representative from northern Indiana who made a big deal about standing firm in opposition to the liberal agenda of the Girl Scouts and his daughters would be joining some Prairie girls or some such nonsense.

Bob Morris, Ft Wayne.


Wasn't there also some kerfuffle about the Girl Scouts troupe allowing a transgender child to join?  I seem to remember at least one less tolerant Girl Scout tried to organize a boycott of their cookies in response to that decision, although I don't remember exactly when that happened.

/bought extra cookies that year
 
2014-03-06 06:43:53 PM  

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2014-03-06 06:48:06 PM  
okay not saying they were doing  Nazi salute but seriously why even have the kids do anything that might be construed as one?

Then again given who is behind these groups i doubt much fore thought was put into such things.
 
2014-03-06 06:50:49 PM  

just_intonation: Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?


My definition of wingnut is not limited to those on the right. I'm a political moderate, and I've been one for a long time. Maddow leans left, but if you're comparing Maddow to Limbaugh and saying that they're identical but for political ideology, I'm going to disagree pretty strongly.
 
2014-03-06 06:55:39 PM  
If I'm not mistaken, the new group lets in closeted gay members.

Apparently mentioning being gay is the equivalent or raping a child to its founders.  Staying in the closet is cool... and that never leads to any problems... right?

/Gotta convert the heathens somehow.
 
2014-03-06 06:55:48 PM  
I don't are who these kids are or what the organization is...     the photo was dikbag journalism.

But it is the US,  and dikbag journo's are becoming the norm.
 
2014-03-06 06:59:30 PM  

tfudtuckerpucker: It's true Tail Life USA bans gays, but did you know they also exclude... wait for it... JEWS.  And MORMONS...


They're faith based.  I'm pretty sure you can't join a synagogue or church unless you follow their religion.

I don't get the outrage against the group.  So they don't allow gays.  Why would a gay want to be around people like this?  If there's a group of assholes I'm not going to get upset if they won't let me join.  I know several MCs and most wouldn't let me in.  I have zero desire to join any of them but you won't see me throwing outrage parties over it.
 
2014-03-06 07:02:36 PM  

nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?


The gay teen. He wouldn't beg me to tell him he's not gay after he blew me.
 
2014-03-06 07:03:54 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Ahh, yes, yet another nerves-of-steel True American who'll shoulder Paw's trusty Remington 860 and face down the ChiComs and the brainwashed armies of the lesbian liberal atheist Islamofascisocialisticommunists in the name of Reagan who instantly starts shrieking "Unfair! UNFAIR!" when the media doesn't do what he wants.


i46.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-06 07:04:33 PM  
It's pure MSM BS - the arms are raised at the beginning of Taps and slowly lowered during the playing so that at the end the arm is down beside their leg. The f**king MSM lies constantly.
 
2014-03-06 07:05:57 PM  
The Jesus Youth?

You know when Jesus returns, but immediately goes into hiding. He chooses rich politicians (because they are the pinnacle of humanity) to administer his will via decrees made from his secret hiding place.

The Jesus Youth are founded to help bring his loving message for Christian dominance to all peoples.

/soon
 
2014-03-06 07:08:32 PM  
A proper salute is three fingers to the forehead like an American military salute.  I RTFA, I say it's indoctrination to be just a nazi as you can get them, under a different name.
The only reason this group exists is because of hate for other human beings.


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2014-03-06 07:12:23 PM  

just_intonation: Langston: 

Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?


Wingnuts can most definitely be left leaning. But they don't typically get syndicated radio shows, elected to office, etc., they just get ignored by the "liberals" in the US here (most of us are actually pretty centrist by any sane definition).
 
2014-03-06 07:15:09 PM  

Pitabred: just_intonation: Langston: 

Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?

Wingnuts can most definitely be left leaning. But they don't typically get syndicated radio shows, elected to office, etc., they just get ignored by the "liberals" in the US here (most of us are actually pretty centrist by any sane definition).


Al Frankenstein disagrees.
 
2014-03-06 07:15:40 PM  

kg2095: Farking Canuck: You know, I don't have a problem with this group existing. Haters are gonna hate. It is sad that they are going to try to pass their hate on to children but that is their parental right.

The scary thing is what is going to happen to the poor kid in this group who realizes he is gay (or is already gay when his parents force him into the group). Poor kid is going to suffer.

Or to the two or three kids in the group when they realize they are black. Nazis hate blacks just as much as they hate Jews.


img.fark.net

So you're saying that lil' Clayton Bigsby Jr on the left there isn't going to make Eagle Scout, or whatever the heck the equivalent rank is for the He-Man Homo Haters Club?
 
2014-03-06 07:15:47 PM  

CruJones: Pitabred: just_intonation: Langston:
Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?

Wingnuts can most definitely be left leaning. But they don't typically get syndicated radio shows, elected to office, etc., they just get ignored by the "liberals" in the US here (most of us are actually pretty centrist by any sane definition).

Al Frankenstein disagrees.


Damn you autocorrect. Franken.
 
2014-03-06 07:35:57 PM  

Langston: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Ahh, yes, yet another nerves-of-steel True American who'll shoulder Paw's trusty Remington 860 and face down the ChiComs and the brainwashed armies of the lesbian liberal atheist Islamofascisocialisticommunists in the name of Reagan who instantly starts shrieking "Unfair! UNFAIR!" when the media doesn't do what he wants.

Did you read the article? I think the group is contemptible, but it sounds like of all the photos that the AP could have run, they chose the one where the angle of the arm made it look exactly like the kids were giving a Nazi salute. Since the AP has apologized, I'm going to presume that the guy has a point. I have no idea how the AP can say that they totally didn't see it since it looked like a Nazi salute to everyone else who saw it. I also don't know why they couldn't have replaced the photo with another one in a timely manner once they agreed that they had made a mistake. I highly doubt that the photographer went to the event and shot exactly one photo.

I don't like the splinter scout group, but their philosophy is pitiable enough. This gives a shred of credence to wingnuts, and I hate that.


Possibly no one who wasn't involved looked at the photo, so they knew what it was and it didn't click. That's why you're supposed to have editors.
 
2014-03-06 07:44:34 PM  
It's farked up it takes this many words to get across just exactly how stupid people are. By election day 2016 I'm guessing Fark (opolis) allow an additional gazillion characters for modmins to spew retardation.
 
2014-03-06 07:46:23 PM  

nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?


Not that your filled with fear that gay men will rape you in your sleep or anything
 
2014-03-06 07:50:56 PM  
I still don't think it looks like they were singing "Taps."

Mostly because I've never heard of singing "Taps" while raising and lowering only one arm to "safely rest." Any time I've ever seen it done, it's involved two arms.

But that's just me.
 
2014-03-06 07:51:05 PM  

Epic Fap Session: I bet a Venn diagram of children that are members of this organization and home-schooled children looks something like this:


I know a home schooling family with five kids.  They run a private fairgrounds and hold their own renaissance faires 4 times a year.  Their oldest son is openly gay and two of their three boys are in Scouts (including the oldest, and he's been in Scouts for years).  And this is near Tia Juana, Oklahoma, which is  exactly as cosmopolitan as it sounds.
 
2014-03-06 07:53:30 PM  

Langston: I don't agree with your premise that anybody with a point of view is a wingnut. The wingnuts I was referring to were the Rush Limbaughs of the world who shriek all day that the liberal media is against them and use that as justification to refer their listeners (or readers) to hard-right news organizations who are the most imbalanced yellow journalists I've ever seen in an open democracy.


No doubt!  I have a hard time seeing anything out of Fox News and not drawing parallels to Soviet-era Pravda.
 
2014-03-06 07:54:38 PM  
Say, you know all those boys in the group you formed just to keep them from catching gay from the Boy Scouts?

Some of them are gay, too, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.
 
2014-03-06 08:03:35 PM  

Sofa King Smart: If I'm not mistaken it happened to the Girl Scouts first... what with them being lesbo-femi-nazis who teach girls about contraception and abortion and what not... there was some dumbass state representative from northern Indiana who made a big deal about standing firm in opposition to the liberal agenda of the Girl Scouts and his daughters would be joining some Prairie girls or some such nonsense.


Yeah, happened in the late 90s surrounding issues around being theologically inclusive, orientation inclusive, starting around the time that the BSA took a lot of heat over some units refusing Scouts of faiths differing with their own, and culminating with the massive shiatstorm that came down when Scoutmaster Jim Dale was given the boot for being gay (a move that was and is massively unpopular within the organization, because the rule change was unannounced, and there was apparently no input on the issue except from the Mormon Church.  I can only assume that the National Council is only trying to work up the courage to cut all ties with and potentially sue the church for damages relating to loss of revenue and bad press at this point).
 
2014-03-06 08:03:45 PM  

Iowan73: Some of them are gay, too, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.


But it's not gay when the minister tells you to do it.
 
2014-03-06 08:05:25 PM  

nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?


A gay teen.  Once he knows I'm not gay, he'll leave me alone.  When a fundamentalist finds out you're not a fundamentalist, they only get worse.
 
2014-03-06 08:07:05 PM  
Were they looking for Kyle?

/too obscure?
 
2014-03-06 08:11:36 PM  

Cranky McOldfart: nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?

A gay teen.  Once he knows I'm not gay, he'll leave me alone.  When a fundamentalist finds out you're not a fundamentalist, they only get worse.


Well said. 100% agree.

The tent being immaculately decorated wouldn't hurt either.
 
2014-03-06 08:18:06 PM  
Fox is just trying to correct an unfortunate misrepresentation of what really happened, just like they did on their own reporting on... um...

Ah, fark it. I can't even complete the sentence with a straight face.

/Fark you, Fox, and the twits who watch it.
 
2014-03-06 08:20:18 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: :

Hey, thanks for the free month of TotalFark a while ago. I didn't get a chance to reply in that thread till it was too late. Thanks again.


You're quite welcome, sir!  Making my own yogurt has been super.  Passing the skills on to others is priceless!

You're favorited as "The Yogurt Guy"
 
2014-03-06 08:25:25 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Epic Fap Session: I bet a Venn diagram of children that are members of this organization and home-schooled children looks something like this:

I know a home schooling family with five kids.  They run a private fairgrounds and hold their own renaissance faires 4 times a year.  Their oldest son is openly gay and two of their three boys are in Scouts (including the oldest, and he's been in Scouts for years).  And this is near Tia Juana, Oklahoma, which is  exactly as cosmopolitan as it sounds.


I have a dog. He's cute and he sleeps under the covers with me. Sometimes I take him to the dog park. This is in Colorado, in the Denver suburbs.
 
2014-03-06 08:27:30 PM  

jake_lex: They should have gone with the pic of them invading a Polish restauarant.


I figured they should be clustered around the fryer at an Arby's, with their hands out testing the temperature of the steam coming off of the potato products.  Then AP could have been claiming that they were chanting "Arby's Macht Fries".
 
2014-03-06 08:31:27 PM  

rikkidoxx: It's pure MSM BS - the arms are raised at the beginning of Taps and slowly lowered during the playing so that at the end the arm is down beside their leg. The f**king MSM lies constantly.


Can't tell if being serious. So I will assume sarcasm.

Also, I hate people who throw around "mainstream media." They are invariably the same people who claim Fox News has better ratings than everyone else combined*--which would make Fox News the mainstream media.

*They don't.
 
2014-03-06 09:01:25 PM  

maram500: rikkidoxx: It's pure MSM BS - the arms are raised at the beginning of Taps and slowly lowered during the playing so that at the end the arm is down beside their leg. The f**king MSM lies constantly.

Can't tell if being serious. So I will assume sarcasm.

Also, I hate people who throw around "mainstream media." They are invariably the same people who claim Fox News has better ratings than everyone else combined*--which would make Fox News the mainstream media.

*They don't.


That's because conservatives have convinced themselves that they are constantly being persecuted by minorities.
 
2014-03-06 09:16:10 PM  

serial_crusher: They did the same thing to this poor guy too:
[loyalopposition.files.wordpress.com image 400x273]

Damn you AP!


Were those kids all standing around in a circle waving to large groups of people?

Or are you making excuses based on a complete failure to understand context?
 
2014-03-06 09:33:11 PM  
Keep crying, RWs.
 
2014-03-06 09:35:21 PM  
Anyone who pushing the idea that these kids are doing a sieg heil should be rounded up in a camp.  That's more than one person's share of derp.
 
2014-03-06 09:35:33 PM  
After an exhaustive youtube search, I declare that nobody ever has uploaded a video of anyone singing Taps with their arm held like that.

BUT.

There is a close match to something called the "Superman Blessing". And there is nothing gay about it. Nope. Not a thing. A group of young men can sing that blessing without ever worrying about appearing effeminate or silly. Or masculine, either. So there's that.

I can't figure out how to embed a youtube video into a fark comment, so here are the links instead.

http://youtu.be/YPsWAu2Gmt0

http://youtu.be/0Uc3DI6D8YY
 
2014-03-06 09:45:07 PM  
Yeah, it's always unfair when someone uses Fox's tactics to inspire outrage at minute details, especially when they're not exactly minute.
 
2014-03-06 09:59:31 PM  

nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?


The one who farts the least.
 
2014-03-06 10:01:24 PM  

HairBolus: if the point of this was just singing taps with an arm lowering gesture as opposed to doing a salute while maybe singing taps, then
1) why do few if any kids look like they are singing.
2) I count at least 4 kids who are doing the curled-in little finger salute.

A reverse google image search shows all news-sites seem to have pulled the photo, however they may have just told google not to index it. For example it is still here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/correction-trail-life - boy-scoutsjpeg-081bfjpg/

best resolution (click for new window)
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^^^^^^
THIS
 
2014-03-06 10:10:07 PM  
Who really cares if they were really doing a Nazi salute or not doing a Nazi salute, or whether or not they were victimized by the AP? The most important thing is that the whole situation is HILARIOUS.

Let's try to keep our priorities straight,
 
2014-03-06 10:46:30 PM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: Wow, I was a boy scout and hadn't a clue that taps actually had lyrics. Sure somebody played it on the trumpet while we saluted the lowering of the flag each night at scout camp, but I actually had to google the lyrics because we never sang them. Also never heard of a slow lowering of the arm, but I suppose it's plausible.


I was a Girl Scout a looong time ago, and we always sang the first verse of Taps.
 
2014-03-06 10:59:30 PM  

artifishy: serial_crusher: They did the same thing to this poor guy too:
[loyalopposition.files.wordpress.com image 400x273]

Damn you AP!

Were those kids all standing around in a circle waving to large groups of people?

Or are you making excuses based on a complete failure to understand context?


Well, I thought I was just making fun of both groups taking similar AP photos out of context.  But yeah, I'll go ahead and defer to your superior understanding of the topic...
 
2014-03-06 11:02:56 PM  

HairBolus: if the point of this was just singing taps with an arm lowering gesture as opposed to doing a salute while maybe singing taps, then
1) why do few if any kids look like they are singing.
2) I count at least 4 kids who are doing the curled-in little finger salute.

A reverse google image search shows all news-sites seem to have pulled the photo, however they may have just told google not to index it. For example it is still here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/correction-trail-life - boy-scoutsjpeg-081bfjpg/

best resolution (click for new window)
[extras.mnginteractive.com image 645x417]


Would the photographer who took the photo have apologized if they had actually been saluting Hitler?
FTFA: Merchant wrote to Stemberger that he showed the photo to some of his colleagues and they didn't seem to have a problem with it.
"I really do think it's a nice image of the boys singing a song," he wrote.


I mean, wouldn't that have read something more along the lines of "No that guy's full of shiat.  They were saluting Hitler.  I was there"?  I doubt Trail Life USA really has enough pull to get a reporter to apologize for reporting something accurately.
 
2014-03-06 11:04:01 PM  
Singing Taps???
 
2014-03-06 11:20:33 PM  

Lorelle: I was a Girl Scout a looong time ago, and we always sang the first verse of Taps.


Like...always?
 
2014-03-06 11:27:57 PM  
Apparently all "saluting" is now Nazi-saluting. Okaaay. Not sure how picky biatches salute that's so different than this, but apparently it is.

People gonna biatch about everything.

Who cares if a buncha homophobes don't want anyone in their little No-Queens Club? You do realize you don't want to spend time with such a moronic bunch of mouth-breathing ham-and-eggers, right? Right. So who cares?
 
2014-03-06 11:28:01 PM  

daha: I can't figure out how to embed a youtube video into a fark comment, so here are the links instead.

http://youtu.be/YPsWAu2Gmt0

http://youtu.be/0Uc3DI6D8YY


Those are some brilliant indoctrinal rituals.

"Are your kids spending too much time pretending to fly around like superman to give proper thanks to the Lord?  Well, we have just the hook for you to firmly gouge into their pudgy little cheeks."

But for you we may need to take a more serious look at why striking a superman flying pose seems ...ahem..."nothing gay about it. Nope. Not a thing."

/NTTAWWT
 
2014-03-06 11:41:12 PM  

Langston: just_intonation: Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?

My definition of wingnut is not limited to those on the right. I'm a political moderate, and I've been one for a long time. Maddow leans left, but if you're comparing Maddow to Limbaugh and saying that they're identical but for political ideology, I'm going to disagree pretty strongly.


Agreed.

Maddox: Ph.D in political science from Oxford

vs.

Limbaugh: According to his own mother, he "flunked everything" during the two semesters he attended Backwater State U.

If I'm looking for informed commentary on political issues, I sure as shiat ain't gonna be looking for it from Limbaugh.
 
2014-03-06 11:54:27 PM  

CruJones: CruJones: Pitabred: just_intonation: Langston:
Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?

Wingnuts can most definitely be left leaning. But they don't typically get syndicated radio shows, elected to office, etc., they just get ignored by the "liberals" in the US here (most of us are actually pretty centrist by any sane definition).

Al Frankenstein disagrees.

Damn you autocorrect. Franken.


Actually, I think it's appropriate.  :-D
 
2014-03-06 11:56:16 PM  

maram500: rikkidoxx: It's pure MSM BS - the arms are raised at the beginning of Taps and slowly lowered during the playing so that at the end the arm is down beside their leg. The f**king MSM lies constantly.

Can't tell if being serious. So I will assume sarcasm.

Also, I hate people who throw around "mainstream media." They are invariably the same people who claim Fox News has better ratings than everyone else combined*--which would make Fox News the mainstream media.

*They don't.


Doesn't matter.  They all lie -- either outright or by omission.
 
2014-03-07 12:00:38 AM  

Iowan73: Say, you know all those boys in the group you formed just to keep them from catching gay from the Boy Scouts?

Some of them are gay, too, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.


And if the Scouts had adopted "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I can't wait, though, to see what happens when one of these Trail Lifers comes out.  It's going to happen; it's just a matter of when.  Or when one of them gets abused by an adult leader (not that I *want* that to happen, mind you!).  That will get very interesting indeed.
 
2014-03-07 12:02:08 AM  

Baloo Uriza: Epic Fap Session: I bet a Venn diagram of children that are members of this organization and home-schooled children looks something like this:

I know a home schooling family with five kids.  They run a private fairgrounds and hold their own renaissance faires 4 times a year.  Their oldest son is openly gay and two of their three boys are in Scouts (including the oldest, and he's been in Scouts for years).  And this is near Tia Juana, Oklahoma, which is  exactly as cosmopolitan as it sounds.


(checks profile)

Yeah, I think I know who you're talking about...
 
2014-03-07 12:04:52 AM  

Kittypie070: Keep crying, RWs.


Keep being douchebags, LWs.  You're pushing them further and further right, and then ridiculing them for reacting that way to your douchiness.
 
2014-03-07 12:09:34 AM  

just_intonation: Kittypie070: Keep crying, RWs.

Keep being douchebags, LWs.  You're pushing them further and further right, and then ridiculing them for reacting that way to your douchiness.


Listen woman, I wouldn't have to hit you if you knew how to act.
 
2014-03-07 12:10:21 AM  

MustangFive: Langston: just_intonation: Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?

My definition of wingnut is not limited to those on the right. I'm a political moderate, and I've been one for a long time. Maddow leans left, but if you're comparing Maddow to Limbaugh and saying that they're identical but for political ideology, I'm going to disagree pretty strongly.

Agreed.

Maddox: Ph.D in political science from Oxford


And the sense of smug self-entitlement that goes along with it

vs.

Limbaugh: According to his own mother, he "flunked everything" during the two semesters he attended Backwater State U.


And I won't defend Rush either.  He's a pompous windbag with an audience, and the self-righteousness that he feels he's earned.

If I'm looking for informed commentary on political issues, I sure as shiat ain't gonna be looking for it from Limbaugh.

Is there any such thing as 'informed' commentary?  It's 'political' commentary, which is less informed and more biased.
 
2014-03-07 12:12:02 AM  

Epic Fap Session: just_intonation: Kittypie070: Keep crying, RWs.

Keep being douchebags, LWs.  You're pushing them further and further right, and then ridiculing them for reacting that way to your douchiness.

Listen woman, I wouldn't have to hit you if you knew how to act.


Which is why I'll shoot you the next time you raise a hand to me, and call it self-defense -- and get away with it.
 
2014-03-07 12:23:04 AM  

just_intonation: Epic Fap Session: just_intonation: Kittypie070: Keep crying, RWs.

Keep being douchebags, LWs.  You're pushing them further and further right, and then ridiculing them for reacting that way to your douchiness.

Listen woman, I wouldn't have to hit you if you knew how to act.

Which is why I'll shoot you the next time you raise a hand to me, and call it self-defense -- and get away with it.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-07 12:29:34 AM  

just_intonation: MustangFive: Langston: just_intonation: Why? Because wingnuts can only be right-leaning? Or is that just your definition?

I don't disagree that Limbaugh will probably have a field day with it. But what if the tables were turned and Rachel Maddow was lambasting these boys for something taken out of context. *She* would then be a wingnut as well, right? Or would she get a pass due to being non-right leaning?

My definition of wingnut is not limited to those on the right. I'm a political moderate, and I've been one for a long time. Maddow leans left, but if you're comparing Maddow to Limbaugh and saying that they're identical but for political ideology, I'm going to disagree pretty strongly.

Agreed.

Maddox: Ph.D in political science from Oxford

And the sense of smug self-entitlement that goes along with it

vs.

Limbaugh: According to his own mother, he "flunked everything" during the two semesters he attended Backwater State U.

And I won't defend Rush either.  He's a pompous windbag with an audience, and the self-righteousness that he feels he's earned.

If I'm looking for informed commentary on political issues, I sure as shiat ain't gonna be looking for it from Limbaugh.

Is there any such thing as 'informed' commentary?  It's 'political' commentary, which is less informed and more biased.


Sure there is. Informed would be along the lines of, "Here's what the issue is, here's my opinion on the subject and here's why," backed up by facts, credible sources and logic/reasoning. Uninformed would be along the lines of, "The other side is bad because they're the other side," backed up by innuendo, "some dude's blog" and specious reasoning/logical fallacies.

Maddow usually does the former, Limbaugh nearly always does the latter.
 
2014-03-07 12:30:43 AM  
I issue a silly playground taunt and I get threatened with being shot?
 
2014-03-07 12:31:36 AM  
Or...some other Farker gets threatened with being shot??
 
2014-03-07 12:34:55 AM  

Kittypie070: Or...some other Farker gets threatened with being shot??


Don't try to apply logic and reason to it.
 
2014-03-07 12:36:14 AM  
Regarding the topic of the article: The AP can EABOD over this intentionally misleading, disingenuous stunt. If you're gonna play fast and loose with the facts, expect to get called out on yer bullshiat.
 
2014-03-07 12:38:17 AM  

Kittypie070: I issue a silly playground taunt and I get threatened with being shot?



"Listen woman, I wouldn't have to hit you if you knew how to act."

That's a silly playground taunt? Damn.  Where'd you grow up?
 
2014-03-07 01:57:02 AM  
I for one am very sorry that reports, of the "Trail Life" movement's elemental and fanatical embrace of deliberately ignorant, passionate hatred of fantastical and fictional caricatures of what has been suggested to them as antagonists, have been found both truthful and accurate.
 
2014-03-07 02:06:06 AM  

nytmare: Who would you rather sleep in a tent with -- a fundamentalist teen, or a gay teen?


I wouldn't care. But they would.  My snoring sounds like a narcoleptic bear accidentally skewering a walrus while humping an active geyser
 
2014-03-07 02:14:06 AM  
I was in two Boy Scout troops in Sarasota, FL in the early Sixties.  We sang "Taps" in both and never, ever did that arm bit.  Likewise, when we went to the local Boy Scout camp, Camp Flying Eagle with dozens of other area troops, no one did that arm bit, either.

OTOH, at one troop, Troop 8, we did have one kid who had a thing about going around at meetings when the scoutmaster wasn't looking and grabbing the other Scouts' cocks through their clothing.  He tried it with me and I punched him in the face.  A few others did the same and he soon left.
 
2014-03-07 03:18:15 AM  

wellreadneck: Kittypie070: I issue a silly playground taunt and I get threatened with being shot?


"Listen woman, I wouldn't have to hit you if you knew how to act."

That's a silly playground taunt? Damn.  Where'd you grow up?


One of the milder-mannered suburbs of Hell.
 
2014-03-07 03:21:25 AM  
An organization, whose sole purpose for existing is to promote discrimination against a marginalized group, is outraged that people might interpret their arms being extended in unison as a Hitler salute.
 
2014-03-07 05:26:34 AM  

daha: After an exhaustive youtube search, I declare that nobody ever has uploaded a video of anyone singing Taps with their arm held like that.

BUT.

There is a close match to something called the "Superman Blessing". And there is nothing gay about it. Nope. Not a thing. A group of young men can sing that blessing without ever worrying about appearing effeminate or silly. Or masculine, either. So there's that.

I can't figure out how to embed a youtube video into a fark comment, so here are the links instead.

http://youtu.be/YPsWAu2Gmt0

http://youtu.be/0Uc3DI6D8YY


How much of a nerd do I have to be to feel less angry at a picture that may or may not depict children giving a Nazi salute but be more annoyed that these people from those YouTube videos are ripping off Superman?

We get it, Christians. Your invisible ghost cloud monster is the bee's knees. *fart* Not into it.

Leave the last son of Krypton out of your religious mess. His god damned planet exploded, hasn't he been through enough?
 
2014-03-07 09:04:45 AM  

just_intonation: Baloo Uriza: Epic Fap Session: I bet a Venn diagram of children that are members of this organization and home-schooled children looks something like this:

I know a home schooling family with five kids.  They run a private fairgrounds and hold their own renaissance faires 4 times a year.  Their oldest son is openly gay and two of their three boys are in Scouts (including the oldest, and he's been in Scouts for years).  And this is near Tia Juana, Oklahoma, which is  exactly as cosmopolitan as it sounds.

(checks profile)

Yeah, I think I know who you're talking about...


Hah, do we know each other?
 
2014-03-07 09:45:30 AM  

daha: After an exhaustive youtube search, I declare that nobody ever has uploaded a video of anyone singing Taps with their arm held like that.


Could be a one-armed version of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLib1N0uuL0
You could get some good selective screenshots from the beginning of this one: http://vimeo.com/21864360

/ But yeah, I do take objection to TFA calling it a boy scout tradition.  We never did that kind of shiat in my troop.  All the videos I could find were of girl scouts.  It would seem mighty gay if boys were doing this, which doesn't seem to be what Trail Life USA is going for...
 
2014-03-07 11:08:41 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: This says it all:. Narrow-minded evil bigots passing their evil down to their kids.

You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!

(Actually from Rogers and Hammerstein's South Pacific)



 They f*ck you up, your mum and dad.
    They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
    And add some extra, just for you.

But they were f*cked up in their turn
    By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
    And half at one another's throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
    It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
    And don't have any kids yourself.

_Philip Larkin
 
2014-03-07 01:27:49 PM  
Hey The Texas Troops hate black people, latino people, gay people, and non christians. But they don't hail hitler.
 
2014-03-07 10:55:05 PM  

serial_crusher: artifishy: serial_crusher: They did the same thing to this poor guy too:
[loyalopposition.files.wordpress.com image 400x273]

Damn you AP!

Were those kids all standing around in a circle waving to large groups of people?

Or are you making excuses based on a complete failure to understand context?

Well, I thought I was just making fun of both groups taking similar AP photos out of context.  But yeah, I'll go ahead and defer to your superior understanding of the topic...


And your superior understanding is much better than mine in that you take things out of context and claim they are the same thing. Maybe your superior understanding is not an actual understanding of context between different situations.
 
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