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(RealClear)   Since T. Rexes lived in the Cretaceous period, that giant predator in "Jurassic Park" must have been a newly discovered Torvosaurus gurneyi instead   (realclear.com ) divider line
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2014-03-06 05:06:44 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Dinodork: The Pope of Manwich Village: After watching Jack Horner's TED presentation on shape-shifting dinosaurs, when I see stories about a "new dino discovery," I automatically wonder if what they found is a known species, only bigger/smaller, more/less mature, etc.

You should also automatically wonder how full of shiat Jack is.

I'd rather just be deprogrammed and try again. What should a layman read/view that's not full of shiat?


On dinosaurs, wikipedia is remarkably accurate.
 
2014-03-06 05:39:39 PM  

dittybopper: The worst part of the Jurassic Park movies is that guns don't work.  Either they jam, or people miss, or they don't get an opportunity to shoot in the first place, or most egregiously, they are sabotaged intentionally.

Not a single dinosaur in all 3 movies is injured by a gun on screen.

BTW, the character of Nick Van Owen is responsible for every farkin' human death in that second movie.  EVERY*FARKING*ONE.

He's no hero.


Is he Vince Vaughn? So he takes a T-rex to a trailer that leads to... something. Shouldn't the people responsible for the deaths be the people who said "lets send people to the island to steal a T-rex"? It's been ages since I saw that film, do any of the decent people die? Because if only the baddies die then who cares? I'd rather a thousand bad people die than one baby t-rex gets a wounded leg. Also, give me a baby t-rex.
 
2014-03-06 07:01:36 PM  

durbnpoisn: I think it's pretty well known by now that there was little actual accuracy in the dinasaurs in Jurassic Park.  Even the secondary antagonists (the velociraptors), were a hybrid of 2 different animals that lived at different times.  The actual velociraptor wasn't very like those things at all.  They had feathers, for Pete's sake. (citation)

On top of that, the name "Jurassic" as it applies to the animals in the movie is obviously somewhat misleading.  They can't have known (and still don't exactly) at what point in time all of those animals lived, and/or whether or not they existed at the same time.  They got some DNA and bred some animals.  They can't have all been from the exact same timespan.


Jurassic Park was just a name.  They gave no indication that their goal was, for some reason, only to limit themselves to animals from that period.  Also, the makers have discussed in detail that they altered the sizes and characteristics of the dinos in the movie to make them more distinguishable from each other, and because feathers aren't exactly intimidating.  It's not a documentary.
 
2014-03-06 07:33:47 PM  
Time traveling T. Rex
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2014-03-06 08:31:22 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: Dinodork: The Pope of Manwich Village: After watching Jack Horner's TED presentation on shape-shifting dinosaurs, when I see stories about a "new dino discovery," I automatically wonder if what they found is a known species, only bigger/smaller, more/less mature, etc.

You should also automatically wonder how full of shiat Jack is.

I'd rather just be deprogrammed and try again. What should a layman read/view that's not full of shiat?


You want me to be constructive and not just lob nark? I don't even...

EIP I can set you up with some good reads. Just be aware that the inter-nerd battles in paleo are pretty big now. Some think Horner is full of shiat, some think Bakker is full of shiat. Some say both are. The truth is somewhere in between.
 
2014-03-06 08:53:18 PM  

Slaxl: dittybopper: The worst part of the Jurassic Park movies is that guns don't work.  Either they jam, or people miss, or they don't get an opportunity to shoot in the first place, or most egregiously, they are sabotaged intentionally.

Not a single dinosaur in all 3 movies is injured by a gun on screen.

BTW, the character of Nick Van Owen is responsible for every farkin' human death in that second movie.  EVERY*FARKING*ONE.

He's no hero.

Is he Vince Vaughn? So he takes a T-rex to a trailer that leads to... something. Shouldn't the people responsible for the deaths be the people who said "lets send people to the island to steal a T-rex"? It's been ages since I saw that film, do any of the decent people die? Because if only the baddies die then who cares? I'd rather a thousand bad people die than one baby t-rex gets a wounded leg. Also, give me a baby t-rex.


Remember it's his character that sets all the captive dinosaurs free, setting off the chain reAction that leads them all to go through raptor territory. The Ingen people had them under control up until that point.

Vince Vaughn's character is supposed to be heroic, but his actions lead to every single death on that island, no through negligence or accident, but intentional sabotage.
 
2014-03-07 12:08:53 AM  

Dinodork: The Pope of Manwich Village: Dinodork: The Pope of Manwich Village: After watching Jack Horner's TED presentation on shape-shifting dinosaurs, when I see stories about a "new dino discovery," I automatically wonder if what they found is a known species, only bigger/smaller, more/less mature, etc.

You should also automatically wonder how full of shiat Jack is.

I'd rather just be deprogrammed and try again. What should a layman read/view that's not full of shiat?

You want me to be constructive and not just lob nark? I don't even...

EIP I can set you up with some good reads. Just be aware that the inter-nerd battles in paleo are pretty big now. Some think Horner is full of shiat, some think Bakker is full of shiat. Some say both are. The truth is somewhere in between.


Yes, please. Since its late and I'm sure most people left. And, I'm hammered...

CSB?

I grew up in the same town Horner did in MT - my grandmother baby sat him. I just handed down my copy of his "Digging Up Dinosaurs" to my kids. In the mid-70s, used to dig for hours in the road cut on top of the hill where I lived. Found mostly fossilized plants in what I think is the Sunburst Dome or something. I used to bring them down to the local library and leave them and supposedly Horner - when he was in town - would look at them and leave note cards with descriptions of what they were (more likely they were from the nice lady that worked there). I grew up and didn't become a paleontologist, but I wish I did. I drove through Hell Creek last summer and I wanted to pull over and play, but real life calls.

I know Horner says some controversial things - T-rex as scavenger, Triceratops didn't use horns for defense, cloning dino from chicken, etc. Wish I could figure out if he's trollasuarus trying to get the media to pay attention and other paleontologists whipped up to challenge the status quo OR if he's an AW pushing bad science.

I hope you find something special out there.
 
2014-03-07 07:28:59 AM  
Dinodork, I'm sure a bunch of us would be appreciative of your recommendations for reading.  I've got tomes by both Bakker and Horner, and Paul (whose "Predatory Dinosaurs" I think is the way that sort of thing should be done, and needs to be updated and expanded).

So please, don't be coy, give us some recommendations.  We'll keep your identity secret.
 
2014-03-07 09:53:59 AM  

Slaxl: dittybopper: The worst part of the Jurassic Park movies is that guns don't work.  Either they jam, or people miss, or they don't get an opportunity to shoot in the first place, or most egregiously, they are sabotaged intentionally.

Not a single dinosaur in all 3 movies is injured by a gun on screen.

BTW, the character of Nick Van Owen is responsible for every farkin' human death in that second movie.  EVERY*FARKING*ONE.

He's no hero.

Is he Vince Vaughn? So he takes a T-rex to a trailer that leads to... something. Shouldn't the people responsible for the deaths be the people who said "lets send people to the island to steal a T-rex"? It's been ages since I saw that film, do any of the decent people die? Because if only the baddies die then who cares? I'd rather a thousand bad people die than one baby t-rex gets a wounded leg. Also, give me a baby t-rex.


Eddie, the technician who built all the gear, is the first on screen kill. He is ripped in half by the two T-Rexes as they searched for their baby. This is in direct relation to Nick bringing the baby T-Rex to their camp. Causing the mommy and daddy to hunt it down and try to kill the people responsible.
 
2014-03-07 04:40:58 PM  

yves0010: Eddie, the technician who built all the gear, is the first on screen kill. He is ripped in half by the two T-Rexes as they searched for their baby. This is in direct relation to Nick bringing the baby T-Rex to their camp. Causing the mommy and daddy to hunt it down and try to kill the people responsible.


This is, of course, after he (Nick) releases all of the captured dinosaurs, wrecking the InGen camp (and likely killing a few of the people in the camp), which, of course, forces all the people to hike into the interior where they become Raptor fodder.

Really, the *ONLY* sensible person in the whole film is the hunter, Roland Tembo.  And he gets thwarted by Nick (who sabotages the ammo in his double rifle).  He's practical, and despite his rather loose interpretation of "Fair Chase"*, he actually cares about people, even the ones who are actively working against him.

Unlike Nick "The Dick" van Owen.

*Though he is going after a huge predator, so I can't judge him too harshly.
 
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