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(KGW Portland)   Step 1: Get roaring drunk. Step 2: Lose $500k in Vegas Step 3: Break even?   (kgw.com) divider line 49
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2014-03-06 11:52:22 AM
Johnston lives in Ventura and made his fortune in car dealership and real estate ventures.

Oh, they mean a scumbag; a scumbag is suing a casino. So, it's win-win.
 
2014-03-06 12:32:55 PM
Johnston arrived in Las Vegas with the woman he was dating on the Thursday before the Super Bowl. He drank in the limousine from the Las Vegas airport to the Grand, drank more during dinner with friends, and then says he blacked out.

If he blacked out, how does he know he was visibly drunk?
 
2014-03-06 12:33:24 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Johnston lives in Ventura and made his fortune in car dealership and real estate ventures.

Oh, they mean a scumbag; a scumbag is suing a casino. So, it's win-win.


To be fair, state law prohibits them from allowing him to gamble so he's actually got a good case. You can't get black-out drunk without it being obvious to everyone around you.
 
2014-03-06 12:35:42 PM
But our policy is: we can't give your money back.
 
2014-03-06 12:39:00 PM
I think his attorney has made a very strong case.

Casinos make money hand over fist. They didn't need to ply him with booze like this. They saw a mark and they pushed it too far. He's gonna get all of his wagers back plus damages.
 
2014-03-06 12:39:19 PM
I've been to Vegas a few times and know when that initial buzz kicks in and I'm up (even if it's only $50 at black jack) to walk away.
 
2014-03-06 12:39:32 PM
But job creators!!
 
2014-03-06 12:40:40 PM

Rhino_man: Because People in power are Stupid: Johnston lives in Ventura and made his fortune in car dealership and real estate ventures.

Oh, they mean a scumbag; a scumbag is suing a casino. So, it's win-win.

To be fair, state law prohibits them from allowing him to gamble so he's actually got a good case. You can't get black-out drunk without it being obvious to everyone around you.


I get that. It's also illegal for a bar to sell alcohol to an obviously drunk patron.

But this case pits jerk against jerk so again, in my humble opinion -everyone wins.
 
2014-03-06 12:41:21 PM
So they loaned him money, he lost it. They aren't out anything, he isn't out much. Just ban his ass from Vegas and be all good.

Back in the day he would have ended up in a hole out in the miles of nothing around vegas.
 
2014-03-06 12:43:02 PM
Paging George Lopez.meetthematts.com
 
2014-03-06 12:43:54 PM
Yeah, that day when I was wasted, and won a ton of cash on Black Jack, I just gave the money back....since I was wasted and all.
 
2014-03-06 12:44:57 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Johnston arrived in Las Vegas with the woman he was dating on the Thursday before the Super Bowl. He drank in the limousine from the Las Vegas airport to the Grand, drank more during dinner with friends, and then says he blacked out.

If he blacked out, how does he know he was visibly drunk?


When was the last time you saw pictures or heard descriptions of you after a blackout?
 
2014-03-06 12:48:15 PM
Bullshiat. You don't get dozens of drinks before "finally sleeping off his drunkenness on that Saturday, which was Feb, 1 "
 
2014-03-06 12:49:38 PM

Baloo Uriza: Sin_City_Superhero: Johnston arrived in Las Vegas with the woman he was dating on the Thursday before the Super Bowl. He drank in the limousine from the Las Vegas airport to the Grand, drank more during dinner with friends, and then says he blacked out.

If he blacked out, how does he know he was visibly drunk?

When was the last time you saw pictures or heard descriptions of you after a blackout?


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2014-03-06 12:50:18 PM
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Pay your damn gambling debts, moran.
 
2014-03-06 12:50:29 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Johnston lives in Ventura and made his fortune in car dealership and real estate ventures.

Oh, they mean a scumbag; a scumbag is suing a casino. So, it's win-win.


WTF?  You're a scumbag if you own a car dealership and real estate and make money off of it?


Anyway, it's always interesting to me how everyone else is responsible for your drinking until you do something illegal, then it's 100% your fault.
 
2014-03-06 12:53:31 PM
He might have a case*...and I bet had he started winning the drinks would have stopped and they would have said "time for bed, Otis."

*not a lawyer
 
2014-03-06 12:54:31 PM

IRQ12: Because People in power are Stupid: Johnston lives in Ventura and made his fortune in car dealership and real estate ventures.

Oh, they mean a scumbag; a scumbag is suing a casino. So, it's win-win.

WTF?  You're a scumbag if you own a car dealership and real estate and make money off of it?


Anyway, it's always interesting to me how everyone else is responsible for your drinking until you do something illegal, then it's 100% your fault.


Yeah, that's one thing that I've never understood. Get blackout drunk and drive? DUI. Get blackout drunk and beat somebody? Assault. Get blackout drunk and throw yourself at someone of the opposite sex? You were raped and he needs to be in prison, even if he was also drunk.

I just... ugh, laws around intoxication are just so farking inconsistent.
 
2014-03-06 12:54:36 PM
and of course had he won this thread wouldn't exist because he would be laughing his ass off.
 
2014-03-06 12:56:36 PM
This was in my local paper.  The guy's a scumbag and so is the Casino.  Didn't he see the movie Lost in America?
 
2014-03-06 12:58:03 PM
I'm picturing a wild-eyed Juiie Hagerty right now, and laughing.
 
2014-03-06 01:03:15 PM
Try that ole "I'm too drunk to know what I am doing" trick with a Vegas hooker and see what happens. It generally does not end well. But then again, hookers don't extend markers and the biz is usually pay up front, or so I am told.
 
2014-03-06 01:05:21 PM

coffeeburns: Yeah, that day when I was wasted, and won a ton of cash on Black Jack, I just gave the money back....since I was wasted and all.


Been there.
 
2014-03-06 01:08:58 PM

IRQ12: WTF?  You're a scumbag if you own a car dealership and real estate and make money off of it?


I've closely known multiple people who did this. In my opinion horse-traders like these are scum of the earth.
 
2014-03-06 01:14:12 PM
Casinos taking advantage of stupid people?  Wait, I thought that was their business model!
 
2014-03-06 01:17:27 PM
First and only rule of gambling: Never bet what you can't afford to lose.  There, you're all welcome.  Eat shiat and pay your debt, dumbass.
 
2014-03-06 01:19:45 PM

tourist: ...Casinos make money hand over fist. They didn't need to ply him with booze like this. They saw a mark and they pushed it too far. He's gonna get all of his wagers back plus damages.


Take a look at where he was playing.  He's lucky he's not still there being kept in a semi-coma.  Fremont street casinos are bad enough.  Off fremont is like a 3rd world country.
 
2014-03-06 01:23:21 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: IRQ12: WTF?  You're a scumbag if you own a car dealership and real estate and make money off of it?

I've closely known multiple people who did this. In my opinion horse-traders like these are scum of the earth.


I as well.  They do not think in the same way as normal people.  I'm not even sure they think other people are people.
 
2014-03-06 01:37:55 PM
I lived in Vegas for 8 years.  My motto was that your goal as a local on the Strip is to drink for free.  You are a winner if you walk out of that casino roaring drunk with the exact amount in your wallet that you walked in with.
 
2014-03-06 01:40:16 PM

DittoToo: I lived in Vegas for 8 years.  My motto was that your goal as a local on the Strip is to drink for free.  You are a winner if you walk out of that casino roaring drunk with the exact amount in your wallet that you walked in with.


That's the goal for me when I gamble in New Orleans. I go in with what it would cost to get drunk, play until that point. Anything left over is a win.
 
2014-03-06 01:41:19 PM

Rhino_man: Because People in power are Stupid: Johnston lives in Ventura and made his fortune in car dealership and real estate ventures.

Oh, they mean a scumbag; a scumbag is suing a casino. So, it's win-win.

To be fair, state law prohibits them from allowing him to gamble so he's actually got a good case. You can't get black-out drunk without it being obvious to everyone around you.


Bullshiat.  I speak from much experience.
 
2014-03-06 01:43:14 PM
The saddest day in the history of this planet was the death of personal responsibility.
 
2014-03-06 01:51:43 PM

Carn: First and only rule of gambling: Never bet what you can't afford to lose.  There, you're all welcome.  Eat shiat and pay your debt, dumbass.


It's hard to remember rules like that when you're three sheets to the wind. Also hard to realize you're three sheets to the wind when you're three sheets to the wind. After a certain point, you're obviously too drunk to make informed decisions, which means you're too drunk to provide informed consent to anything, which is why contract law explicitly forbids getting someone incredibly drunk than giving them something to sign, taking advantage of the fact that they momentarily can't understand it. The same thing applies here. He was obviously too drunk to know what he was doing, and the law (at least from what I understand of the article) says that means the casino is legally required to stop him from gambling anymore, pretty much precisely so situations like this don't happen.
 
2014-03-06 02:06:45 PM

IRQ12: Because People in power are Stupid: Johnston lives in Ventura and made his fortune in car dealership and real estate ventures.

Oh, they mean a scumbag; a scumbag is suing a casino. So, it's win-win.

WTF?  You're a scumbag if you own a car dealership and real estate and make money off of it?


Anyway, it's always interesting to me how everyone else is responsible for your drinking until you do something illegal, then it's 100% your fault.


Owning a car dealership is pretty much the dictionary definition of being a scumbag.
 
2014-03-06 02:12:32 PM

bagumpity: Because People in power are Stupid: IRQ12: WTF?  You're a scumbag if you own a car dealership and real estate and make money off of it?

I've closely known multiple people who did this. In my opinion horse-traders like these are scum of the earth.

I as well.  They do not think in the same way as normal people.  I'm not even sure they think other people are people.


Yup.  If you own a car dealership you're a scumbag.  Never dealt with one that was totally on the up and up.
 
2014-03-06 02:18:44 PM
Even if he has a case, how does he prove the point at which he's blackout drunk?

If he didn't reach that point until he was down 450k, would the casino only have to forgive that last 50k?

Wouldn't it be pretty easy for anyone who loses big to try to pull the "i was drunk" defense?
 
2014-03-06 03:35:29 PM
No. Bad businessman. YOU DO NOT fark up my drunken gambling trips because you have gambling remorse. No. If they start enforcing the "no drinks or gambling for drunks" rule I am going to so farking mad. That's the farking point you stupid twat.
 
2014-03-06 04:06:25 PM
So if he'd won, he'd have returned all his winnings the next day, right?
 
2014-03-06 04:15:15 PM

ignacio: Carn: First and only rule of gambling: Never bet what you can't afford to lose.  There, you're all welcome.  Eat shiat and pay your debt, dumbass.

It's hard to remember rules like that when you're three sheets to the wind. Also hard to realize you're three sheets to the wind when you're three sheets to the wind. After a certain point, you're obviously too drunk to make informed decisions, which means you're too drunk to provide informed consent to anything, which is why contract law explicitly forbids getting someone incredibly drunk than giving them something to sign, taking advantage of the fact that they momentarily can't understand it. The same thing applies here. He was obviously too drunk to know what he was doing, and the law (at least from what I understand of the article) says that means the casino is legally required to stop him from gambling anymore, pretty much precisely so situations like this don't happen.


Nice try - but merely explaining something complex to a simpletion does not magically imbue his mind with the capacity to absorb it.
 
2014-03-06 06:06:31 PM
Normally people don't attempt to play this card (heh) because in order to establish it in court you have to testify under oath to some truly embarrassing and professionally damning behavior.

BUT, this guy's a used car salesman, so he has no reputation to lose.  Good luck guy.

The casino over-reached here.  They clearly knew who he was or what he was worth otherwise they wouldn't have let him keep playing (it's bad for business to have a sloppy drunk at the table).  So they decided as an organization to keep letting him play and advancing him credit to drain him dry.  That's not what they promised the public they would do when they got their license to operate and to sell booze.
 
2014-03-06 06:06:48 PM

justanotherfarkinfarker: So they loaned him money, he lost it. They aren't out anything, he isn't out much. Just ban his ass from Vegas and be all good.

Back in the day he would have ended up in a hole out in the miles of nothing around vegas.


BUT:
Ventura was a car dealer (probably used cars) and real estate venturist.    Therefore the douchebag must pay up.   He got fronted money that you and I would never get.

And, he probably still has millions that he stole during his car dealin / real estate wheelin' days.
 
2014-03-06 07:11:14 PM
Southern California gambler Mark Johnston, 52, is suing the Downtown Grand for loaning him money

They let him gamble on credit?  Their loss.

It may be different for a Vegas casino, where state law has their back, but someone was able to get out of paying a debt to an indian casino in a state where gambling was illegal because the state would not compel payment of an illegal debt.  One of the reasons that marijuana dispensaries need to stick to "cash only", I suppose.
 
2014-03-06 07:24:26 PM
And when he finished drinkin'
He slumped against the window
Crushed out his cigarette
And threw up on his shirt
And somewhere in the darkness
His lawyer he broke even
And in his summing up
I found an ace that I could keep
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to spill 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to sue
You never count your money
When you're a used car dealer
It's easier to do the countin'
When your money's through
 
2014-03-06 07:44:35 PM

flondrix: It may be different for a Vegas casino, where state law has their back, but someone was able to get out of paying a debt to an indian casino in a state where gambling was illegal because the state would not compel payment of an illegal debt.


I'll take "shiat that would never fly if the tribes were allowed full jurisdiction as most treaties with tribes currently require."  There's basically zero reason why it should have been in state court to begin with, it should have been in the tribe's court.  And if a change of venue was needed, it could have been heard by a neighboring tribe under reciprocal agreement.  We're talking about sovereign nations here whose authority has been curtailed excessively and illegally, much to the detriment of those nations lawful residents and citizens.  See also: Washingtonians going to the rez for some consequence-free rape since the tribal courts don't have criminal jurisdiction over non-citizens, and none of the Washington or federal jurisdictions will prosecute in a case involving a tribal citizen.

One of the reasons that marijuana dispensaries need to stick to "cash only", I suppose.

That has more to do with the banking laws in the US not drawing a distinction between a legally licensed and totally above board marijuana dispensaries from a cocaine cartel, thanks to Schedule I.
 
2014-03-07 07:46:50 AM
Is signing for the markers considered a contract?  If so, then douchenozzle would definitely win if there is proof that he was visibly inebriated at the time of the signing.

No dog in the fight - both are scum.  However, if douchenozzle thinks he is free and clear after the lawsuit. . .well, let's say I don't think the casino will simply forget about it after the verdict.

Douchenozzle sounds stupid enough to set foot in Vegas again after all this is said and done.

/douchenozzle
 
2014-03-07 08:04:03 AM
He was just on CNN, according to the guy, the casino had an agenda to exploit him.  he'd hardly gambled there before, and had a 1/4 million dollar credit line, which they doubled after seeing he was really drunk, later gave him a "discount" and told him he only had to pay back 400k in an effort to try and hurry him along. Have also done other things, such as sending out in house memo's and firing people in an attempt to CYA.

Probably not because they were doing this, but because they got caught.

Reminds me of a similar story on fark not long ago where someone tried to sell a fake lottery ticket, kept pleading down the numbers and ended up begging to not call the police.

From what has been put out there, like others have said, sounds like he's got a good case.
 
2014-03-07 08:11:32 AM

K3rmy: However, if douchenozzle thinks he is free and clear after the lawsuit. . .well, let's say I don't think the casino will simply forget about it after the verdict.


Maybe, maybe not.  Now that it's seen the public eye, it makes it more difficult for them to do anything to him and get away with it.

If they did and got away with it though, it would send a powerful message.

Of course, I don't think they'd get away with it for long.  The feds would get involved and bring down the house, so to speak.

As is, our intelligence services are pretty damned sharp(when they can, you know, actually blend in, unlike meddling in the middle east).  Conveniently, so far, feds turn somewhat of a blind eye to some/most individual state workings.
 
2014-03-07 08:49:32 AM
I love all the lawyering going on here in Fark.

If the casinos let everybody who was drunk and lost money on gambling get away without paying, Clark County would have become a dry county long ago. There is a reason why the drinks flow freely, and it's not to give a legal "out" to big losers.

This guy is not winning his lawsuit. He's probably going to end up owing the casino legal fees, as well as his gambling debts, when this is all over.

Do you farkers really think this is the first time this sort of thing has happened? This isn't the old Vegas, either... the mob was pushed out long ago to the fringes. Today's Vegas is run by big corporations who do not mess around and do not lose in court.
 
2014-03-07 09:05:37 AM

LesserEvil: I love all the lawyering going on here in Fark.

If the casinos let everybody who was drunk and lost money on gambling get away without paying, Clark County would have become a dry county long ago. There is a reason why the drinks flow freely, and it's not to give a legal "out" to big losers.

This guy is not winning his lawsuit. He's probably going to end up owing the casino legal fees, as well as his gambling debts, when this is all over.

Do you farkers really think this is the first time this sort of thing has happened? This isn't the old Vegas, either... the mob was pushed out long ago to the fringes. Today's Vegas is run by big corporations who do not mess around and do not lose in court.


I love the lawyering too.  Especially when morans decide they absolutely know the outcome.

Saying "good case" does not equate to people saying he'll win.
 
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