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(The Times of India)   Another baby is cured of HIV. Still no cure for...fark it, my hat's off to you doctors and scientists   (timesofindia.indiatimes.com) divider line 22
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2014-03-06 12:12:11 PM
Countdown to religious conservatives decrying any cure for HIV/AIDS because it will lead to people not being afraid to have sex....
 
2014-03-06 12:59:31 PM

timujin: Countdown to religious conservatives decrying any cure for HIV/AIDS because it will lead to people not being afraid to have sex....


I, for one, believe that babies should not be having sex.
 
2014-03-06 01:14:59 PM

krelborne: timujin: Countdown to religious conservatives decrying any cure for HIV/AIDS because it will lead to people not being afraid to have sex....

I, for one, believe that babies should not be having sex.


As the great Jack Handy said: 
I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our
children's children, because I don't think children should be having
sex.
 
2014-03-06 01:36:15 PM
... cool, hope it's reproducible to the point of reliability.
 
2014-03-06 01:37:36 PM
Science is awesome.
 
2014-03-06 01:51:02 PM
There are no sources or links in this article, apart from links that search this site for articles containing certain words. Although I guess it links to a video for a previous article on the same site.
Step it up, TimesofIndia.IndiaTimes: this is not how you do things in 2014.

If this is true:
Seeing how this is HIV, will this be affordable to the people that need it? Can it be deployed to Africa?
 
2014-03-06 02:05:18 PM
Approves:

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/she was also on "Firefly"
 
2014-03-06 02:08:23 PM
Do you even wear a hat Bro?
 
2014-03-06 02:20:47 PM

krelborne: timujin: Countdown to religious conservatives decrying any cure for HIV/AIDS because it will lead to people not being afraid to have sex....

I, for one, believe that babies should not be having sex.


Let's be realistic. Babies are going to be having sex. Isn't it better that they at least be taught how to do it safely? Abstinence only education clearly isn't working. Babies are already sticking everything they can get their hands on into their mouths.
 
2014-03-06 02:25:36 PM

God-is-a-Taco: If this is true:
Seeing how this is HIV, will this be affordable to the people that need it? Can it be deployed to Africa?


The main issue with Africa isn't actually the science/medicine, it's the cooperation of he populace and the governments.

We've already got a solution that would cut their aids epidemic down by an order of magnitude or two, but getting them to use the farkin' condoms we're entirely willing to ship to them by the tonne entirely for free is apparently futile.

The likelihood of getting people to organize their newborns for diagnosis and treatment when you can't get 'em to use a farkin' condom during sex is... low.

// That said, the direct answer to your question is that this is the standard treatment, done aggressively to a newborn for several months, and the drugs are quite expensive still.  Plus, it only works so far with a baby's absurdly amped-up immune system picking up where the drugs leave off.  So even if we overcame the "basically Africa doesn't want a cure" aspect it'd still be expensive.
 
2014-03-06 02:48:42 PM

Jim_Callahan: ... cool, hope it's reproducible to the point of reliability.


If a person is exposed to HIV and said person takes the anti virals immediately after exposure (similar to this baby and the other one that was cured), they can stop the virus from infecting said person. So assuming this article is true, it's possible.

If there was a way to engineer stem cells to produce the HIV immunity gene, oh man...
 
2014-03-06 04:01:01 PM
Jim_Callahan:
// That said, the direct answer to your question is that this is the standard treatment, done aggressively to a newborn for several months, and the drugs are quite expensive still.  Plus, it only works so far with a baby's absurdly amped-up immune system picking up where the drugs leave off.  So even if we overcame the "basically Africa doesn't want a cure" aspect it'd still be expensive.

Thanks for the response. Hmm...
I suppose a malnourished baby would be incompatible- an "all or nothing" type of deal.
Still a great thing to see,
 
2014-03-06 04:50:59 PM
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How much cash was used in the cure?
 
2014-03-06 07:42:59 PM
The article doesn't say how they established the baby was HIV+ in the first place.

The standard HIV test is either reactive or not based on the presence of certain antibodies detected.
But a baby retains his mother's antibodies for a few years, regardless of being infected with the same diseases.

Is it possible, they just figured the baby was positive based on these errant antibodies, but in fact, he wasn't?
 
2014-03-06 07:49:24 PM
So this kid is clear as long as she takes the antivirals, meaning she'll have to take them for the rest of her life? On time, exactly as prescribed, every frigging day? Or they'll stop working and in a year or so she'll die from an infected scratch or an uncovered cough? Wow, what a wonderful scientific advance.
 
2014-03-06 08:04:15 PM

Ghastly: krelborne: timujin: Countdown to religious conservatives decrying any cure for HIV/AIDS because it will lead to people not being afraid to have sex....

I, for one, believe that babies should not be having sex.

Let's be realistic. Babies are going to be having sex. Isn't it better that they at least be taught how to do it safely? Abstinence only education clearly isn't working. Babies are already sticking everything they can get their hands on into their mouths.


I feel stained from reading this.
 
2014-03-06 08:27:46 PM
The interesting thing I learned today on NPR was that the first infant cured was discovered after her mother stopped the intensive treatment by not following up with doctors for months.  It's kind of sad... but it's good to know that treatment doesn't need to last a lifetime.  It might allow parents in poor countries hope of their children living normal lives without having to constantly seek medical care for them.
 
2014-03-06 08:59:14 PM

The One True TheDavid: So this kid is clear as long as she takes the antivirals, meaning she'll have to take them for the rest of her life? On time, exactly as prescribed, every frigging day? Or they'll stop working and in a year or so she'll die from an infected scratch or an uncovered cough? Wow, what a wonderful scientific advance.


According to NPR today they're starting a clinical trial this year to determine how long treatment is needed.
 
2014-03-06 09:01:36 PM
Once cured, are you immune?
 
2014-03-07 01:48:54 AM
They've got a vaccine in simian trials that seems to be working so far.

Won't be long now.

The team that wins this race is in Nobel Prize country.
 
2014-03-07 02:35:50 AM

Jim_Callahan: God-is-a-Taco: If this is true:
Seeing how this is HIV, will this be affordable to the people that need it? Can it be deployed to Africa?

The main issue with Africa isn't actually the science/medicine, it's the cooperation of he populace and the governments.

We've already got a solution that would cut their aids epidemic down by an order of magnitude or two, but getting them to use the farkin' condoms we're entirely willing to ship to them by the tonne entirely for free is apparently futile.

The likelihood of getting people to organize their newborns for diagnosis and treatment when you can't get 'em to use a farkin' condom during sex is... low.

// That said, the direct answer to your question is that this is the standard treatment, done aggressively to a newborn for several months, and the drugs are quite expensive still.  Plus, it only works so far with a baby's absurdly amped-up immune system picking up where the drugs leave off.  So even if we overcame the "basically Africa doesn't want a cure" aspect it'd still be expensive.


You have Christian missionaries to thank for that. As soon as condoms arrived, they preached about how they cause AIDS.
 
2014-03-07 03:12:21 AM

studebaker hoch: They've got a vaccine in simian trials that seems to be working so far.


I'll believe it when I see it (and it holds up for years under trials, experimentation, and practical implementation).  One of the problems with taking out HiV is that it (like many viruses) is nastily adaptive.  There's multiple strains swimming around out there, and I imagine those strains have multiple sub-strains.

Though have to admit the part of the article that confused me is it didn't seem like they had positively identified that either baby had HiV to begin with, just that they were a high risk and started them on treatments right away.
 
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