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2014-03-06 01:04:20 PM  

Deneb81: Also - so the clairvoyant can see everything. Except anything having anything to do with Colson's resurrection?

I mean, the lab, the security guards, medical staff, Fury's involvement? None of that either?

I'd guess the Clairvoyant is someone with a lot of money, tech, and a back door into SHEILD systems and Colson's real job is to track them down. Which would be why Colson's operation isn't in official files, his team is mostly autonomous, and the Clairvoyant wants Skye dead - so she can't hack his system.


Personally I'm hoping the Clairvoyant is engaging in some sort of remote-viewing stuff and somehow SHIELD found a way to neutralize that; I mean in the comics Doctor Doom's Doombot doubles are so good they can fool telepaths. From a science fiction perspective that would be massively more interesting.
 
2014-03-06 01:04:21 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: We must save Skye even if we kill two people who were doing their jobs.


I honestly expected them to be revealed to be LMD

Since they were the only people in a facility that large.

Also with how robotic they said the password phrase.

I guess they still could... because it looks pretty bad that they shot two agents who were doing their job...
 
2014-03-06 01:05:29 PM  

Trik: Browncoat: If SHIELD was worth watching, people take the trouble to find out when it airs. How hard it is to go to TV Guide's website and see what's on tonight?

When it was advertised in my area all it would say is check your local listings
Not even what night it was on

That is piss poor advertising

And it cost me seeing a couple episodes


And why bother when you can wait for it to hit Netflix and watch a whole season at a time.
 
2014-03-06 01:08:44 PM  
Well, maybe after its cancelled they can make a good movie to make up for the shiatty show.
 
2014-03-06 01:08:48 PM  

Ima_Lurker: Trik: Browncoat: If SHIELD was worth watching, people take the trouble to find out when it airs. How hard it is to go to TV Guide's website and see what's on tonight?

When it was advertised in my area all it would say is check your local listings
Not even what night it was on

That is piss poor advertising

And it cost me seeing a couple episodes

And why bother when you can wait for it to hit Netflix and watch a whole season at a time.


I think the entire season is on OnDemand right now(free if you have cable).
 
2014-03-06 01:12:24 PM  

45cal: The clairvoyant is Ultron. It would explain all the access to all of shields files. Plus the tech that is being used by the ancillary bad guys.


The only flaw I see in that is that Avengers 2 is a year and a half away. So, ether they'd be giving us Ultron way too early, or they're stretching out the Clairvoyant storyline to two years.
 
2014-03-06 01:13:05 PM  
I'm pretty meh on the show so far. Though it does make me appreciate how good Arrow is (aside from the Lance family drama...gag)
 
2014-03-06 01:13:19 PM  
I'll admit to being kinda...meh on this show at first (and I loved the Marvel movies) but the last...5 episodes have been really strong (the last 3 in particular) and I also feel like its gaining momentum with the focus on the Clairvoyant...what happened to the Girl in the Flowered Dress, I LOVE her, she needs to come back soon.

The GD scheduling is killing it along with Almost Human (dont get me started here...breaks and out of order episodes and...GAH!)...though I'm pretty sure the whole Marvel thing will keep AOS afloat where all AH has is Karl Urbans pretty face....sorry...sidetracked.

Bill Pullman was a good addition...also wanted to yell "GAME OVER, MAN!" at the TV as soon as I saw him.

Agree with the previous poster who said Skye was a Kree...that would be why she didnt have the bad reaction to the drug like Coulson seemed to have.
 
2014-03-06 01:13:20 PM  
On the  plus side low ratings will at least guantee an episode where Simmons, Skye and May will need to dress up in skimpy clothing in order to infultrate a brothel.
 
2014-03-06 01:16:46 PM  
Shows just getting good! What awful scheduling though. I think it will pull through for a second season still.

Always a nice surprise to see it suddenly appear in my DVR
 
2014-03-06 01:17:53 PM  

Mentat: But SHIELD is much bigger than super heroes.  They existed for 70 years without any heroes around and have only recently changed their mandate to reflect the rise of super powers.  The rest if SHIELD didn't go away just because Iron Man showed up, and that's the environment AoS exists in.  I'm ok with that.


I can't remember, does Homeland Security exist in this universe? In the comics SHIELD alternates between being a UN agency and the in-universe equivalent to the US Department of Homeland Security/maybe the DOD itself.
 
2014-03-06 01:21:06 PM  
Oddly enough, when you take a reasonable show and schedule it as though you're deliberately playing a shell game with its viewers, the ratings tend to drop - which, in turn, gives the schedulers a reason to pull the show even though it's reasonable.
 
2014-03-06 01:22:46 PM  

unlikely: 11/26,
12/10,
1/7,
1/14,
2/4,
3/4

That's not a weekly show, that's a special once a month where you have to remember back three months to understand the story.

It'll probably be a much better show when you can watch all 16 episodes back-to-back via Netflix or DVD.



This thread was over with this comment.

When will the damn TV networks learn that the age of them dictating show dates and times are over.  More people will watch it on Hulu, when it's convenient for them, on devices other than their TVs.

If god damn USA would have learned this lesson, Psych would not have had to end.  Instead they took the show, and went WAY TOO farkING LONG between seasons, then refused to let Hulu show more than like one or two episodes from some time earlier in the season.  Their target audience just sort of sat and waited for it to be available until we gave up.
 
2014-03-06 01:24:39 PM  

IronJelly: unlikely: 11/26,
12/10,
1/7,
1/14,
2/4,
3/4

That's not a weekly show, that's a special once a month where you have to remember back three months to understand the story.

It'll probably be a much better show when you can watch all 16 episodes back-to-back via Netflix or DVD.


This thread was over with this comment.

When will the damn TV networks learn that the age of them dictating show dates and times are over.  More people will watch it on Hulu, when it's convenient for them, on devices other than their TVs.

If god damn USA would have learned this lesson, Psych would not have had to end.  Instead they took the show, and went WAY TOO farkING LONG between seasons, then refused to let Hulu show more than like one or two episodes from some time earlier in the season.  Their target audience just sort of sat and waited for it to be available until we gave up.


Psych is TV for Girly Mans
 
2014-03-06 01:25:11 PM  
I guess so; haven't seen that one.  Probably shouldn't.

/unbreakable
 
2014-03-06 01:29:06 PM  

Far Cough: I guess so; haven't seen that one.  Probably shouldn't.

/unbreakable


Whoops, was answering the Lucy McClane question.
 
2014-03-06 01:36:57 PM  

IronJelly: If god damn USA would have learned this lesson, Psych would not have had to end. Instead they took the show, and went WAY TOO farkING LONG between seasons, then refused to let Hulu show more than like one or two episodes from some time earlier in the season. Their target audience just sort of sat and waited for it to be available until we gave up.


That's NBC for ya. Don't know if I should admit this, but I like Defiance, but it's taking way to long for season 2 so run a shiat show like Helix or more reality shows in it's place.
 
2014-03-06 01:37:39 PM  

rugman11: WillofJ2: As mentioned before, is seems like no show on tv now has a weekly run, they stop and you have to hope to know when it is coming back on, even hbo and showtime throw in random 2 week breaks, why do shows that have completed production need breaks between episodes?

The premium networks usually only take breaks to avoid big events or holidays, like when True Detective took a week off so they didn't have to air against the Super Bowl.  For broadcast networks, the biggest reason is because they're still beholden to their affiliates, who do their ratings measurements in November, February, and May (sweeps).  So the networks want to have new episodes airing during those months to help boost their affiliates' ratings.  Unfortunately, this results in a broadcast television season that's 36 weeks long while most shows only air 22-24 episodes.  So there will need to be some breaks in between episodes.

The only other option really is to go to more of a cable model with shorter seasons, airing one show in the fall and another in the spring.  I think Fox is going to be doing a little bit of this next season, but I'm not sure how much yet.

Also and ABC and NBC are terrible for this why start a show let it run for two episodes or so cancel it and replace it with reruns of shark tank or some other random show when they at least have new content they could run?

Because the networks make money by selling advertising and, more importantly, they sell advertising based on a certain rating point for a show.  So when ABC sells ads for, say, "Mind Games," they might promise the advertiser a 1.0 rating for the episode in exchange for say $50,000 for a 30-second ad (completely made up numbers).  If the episode comes in at a 0.6 (which "Mind Games" did on Tuesday), they now have to give that advertiser a "make-good," or an ad in a higher-rated show to make up for not making their promise.  So they may have received $50,000 for that ad but end up having to give them a $75,000 ad s ...


Wow, thanks
 
2014-03-06 01:38:26 PM  

spiral8: I'm pretty meh on the show so far. Though it does make me appreciate how good Arrow is (aside from the Lance family drama...gag)


Came here to say the exact same thing, right down to the family drama comment.  It seems that streak continues: DC does TV better than Marvel.  Marvel does motion pictures better than DC.  There are some exceptions, but generally it's true.
 
2014-03-06 01:39:48 PM  

rugman11: I'd also point out that SHIELD's main competition, NCIS, has aired on a similarly awkward schedule and doesn't seem to be having the same problems.


NCIS has been around since 2003 IIRC, so has a dedicated following.

AoS is what, still in it's first season.
 
2014-03-06 01:46:58 PM  

I am Mayhem: I'll admit to being kinda...meh on this show at first (and I loved the Marvel movies) but the last...5 episodes have been really strong (the last 3 in particular) and I also feel like its gaining momentum with the focus on the Clairvoyant...what happened to the Girl in the Flowered Dress, I LOVE her, she needs to come back soon.


And Skye has gotten a minimum number of lines in the last 3 episodes. COINCIDENCE?

Honestly, the last episode was the best one of the series, and that's partially because Skye had ZERO lines and was limited to convulsing every 12 minutes. I wish they'd have let her perish, though. She's an awful character.

What ABC should have done was take Darcy Lewis from Thor (Kat Dennings) and place her on the team as the resident cute Mary Sue. At least she has some established background with superheroes and weird shiat that makes her somewhat qualified, plus she's hotter than Skye by about a million miles, and Kat is a far better actress than Chloe. Instead, Kat's being wasted on a dumb sitcom. I mean, if she's going to be on TV anyway, why not put her on a show where she would do some good?

For now, the obvious formula is:

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
+
Bill Paxton/any actor or character who doesn't suck
-
Chloe Bennet/Skye
=
Good Episode!
 
2014-03-06 01:49:47 PM  

SpdrJay: Well, maybe after its cancelled they can make a good movie to make up for the shiatty show.


It's a good show now.
You just go back to watching your reality crap and be silent.
I be you think sports are unscripted, don't you?
 
2014-03-06 01:57:30 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: It's a good theory; the tube guy looked slightly too deformed to be a Kree, but they could be altering the Kree for the Marvel Cinematic universe so that they look more alien than 'humans with different colored skin'. Also, now that i think about it, if tube guy is a Kree and so is Skye, it would explain how there were no complications in using the serum on her while the process didn't go as smoothly on Coulson.


I'm going to go with the guy in the tube was Kree, and Skye is an Inhuman.  With Marvel's current Inhumanity crossover, it'll serve as a balancing point, as the whole Inhumanity run is supposed to be about normal people who wake up one day as superheroes.

Also, did anybody else catch the name of the dead guard?  "Bob"!  They killed Hydra-Bob!
 
2014-03-06 02:01:02 PM  

lordargent: rugman11: I'd also point out that SHIELD's main competition, NCIS, has aired on a similarly awkward schedule and doesn't seem to be having the same problems.

NCIS has been around since 2003 IIRC, so has a dedicated following.

AoS is what, still in it's first season.


So what should they have done?  Honest questions.  They could have

1) Aired episodes sporadically until the Olympics were over (like they did)
2) Taken a three month hiatus
3) Aired episodes against the Olympics

Those were their options and none are particularly good.  If you can think of something else, I'd love to hear it.
 
2014-03-06 02:07:11 PM  

rugman11: lordargent: rugman11: I'd also point out that SHIELD's main competition, NCIS, has aired on a similarly awkward schedule and doesn't seem to be having the same problems.

NCIS has been around since 2003 IIRC, so has a dedicated following.

AoS is what, still in it's first season.

So what should they have done?  Honest questions.  They could have

1) Aired episodes sporadically until the Olympics were over (like they did)
2) Taken a three month hiatus
3) Aired episodes against the Olympics

Those were their options and none are particularly good.  If you can think of something else, I'd love to hear it.


What's "not good" about airing against the Olympics?  There's hardly a smidge of overlap in the two target audiences, and many people have DVRs.  What, every other network is supposed to give up and go home during the Olympics?  Why draw even more attention to a big event by retreating and putting on crap?

/don't care
/didn't watch either thing
 
2014-03-06 02:10:00 PM  

Far Cough: What's "not good" about airing against the Olympics?


Getting your ass handed to you in the ratings. Oh wait, that's already happening anyway.
 
2014-03-06 02:10:28 PM  

ds615: SpdrJay: Well, maybe after its cancelled they can make a good movie to make up for the shiatty show.

It's a good show now.
You just go back to watching your reality crap and be silent.
I be you think sports are unscripted, don't you?


I really wanted to like it, but I'll have to disagree. It's not a good show. The main characters leave such an underwhelming impression that I couldn't even remember their names until the fifth episode or so. It could be a good show, either with better actors or better writing... but I'll be surprised if it gets picked up for a 2nd season. The only reason it might is because of Marvel's might behind it.
 
2014-03-06 02:19:08 PM  

Grungehamster: Wellon Dowd: Has there ever been a show that wasn't hard by a lengthy hiatus?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Breaking_Bad_episodes 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Walking_Dead_episodes

Of course those "half season" tricks AMC loves are planned and announced/advertised way in advance.


USA Network pioneered the 'half season' with MONK and PSYCH, and frankly I think its a pretty good
idea.  You get 13 episodes in a block, then the show goes a way just long enough for you to start to
miss it, then its back.  Done right, I think it keeps interest in a show up without oversaturation.

Alas, the over the air networks don't think that way.  Fercrissakes, over the past couple of years they've
had repeats 3 weeks into the start of a new September season for a lot of shows, not just marquee shows
like AoS.  They seem to put out 2-3 shows at the start of the season, then hold them back until the November, February and May sweeps periods, to the detriment of the viewers.

Serial: RoyFokker'sGhost: It's a good theory; the tube guy looked slightly too deformed to be a Kree, but they could be altering the Kree for the Marvel Cinematic universe so that they look more alien than 'humans with different colored skin'. Also, now that i think about it, if tube guy is a Kree and so is Skye, it would explain how there were no complications in using the serum on her while the process didn't go as smoothly on Coulson.

I'm going to go with the guy in the tube was Kree, and Skye is an Inhuman.  With Marvel's current Inhumanity crossover, it'll serve as a balancing point, as the whole Inhumanity run is supposed to be about normal people who wake up one day as superheroes.


I like your theory for the mainline comic continuity, but it is very possible that the rights to the Kree and
the Inhumans might well be bundled up with the FANTASTIC FOUR package of rights, which is owned
(I believe) by 20th Century Fox.

Still, though:  the geography of Skye's backstory does fit in nicely with the location of Attilan, doesn't it?
 
2014-03-06 02:23:03 PM  

Far Cough: What's "not good" about airing against the Olympics? There's hardly a smidge of overlap in the two target audiences, and many people have DVRs. What, every other network is supposed to give up and go home during the Olympics? Why draw even more attention to a big event by retreating and putting on crap?

/don't care
/didn't watch either thing


20-30 million people watch the Olympics every night.  For the most part, yes, every other network gives up and goes home during the Olympics.  Fox was an exception this year but neither CBS nor ABC aired much original programming for those two weeks.
 
2014-03-06 02:23:59 PM  

Diogenes: Well shiat.  It's on so rarely no one knows when to watch it.


This.

When shows dissappear and reappear without any logic even a great show* can lose viewers.

*  I am not saying SHIELD is a great show.
 
2014-03-06 02:27:51 PM  

EyeballKid: And, the Whedonites will soon be Jossplaining why this is different from the other turds he's managed to have cancelled in a year, and it's the network's fault that the show's doing poorly, and if they only put it in the right time slot.

Just saying, Whedonites, fool me 4 times...


LOLWut?

Buffy was on for 6 years
Angel was on for 5 years
Firefly was tampered with by execs (shown out of order) and CLEARLY vindicated by later sales and the movie
Avengers broke sales records
Much Ado About Nothing was well reviewed


Can you list some of these "turds" you are talking about? Dollhouse is debatable for sure, but what else?
 
2014-03-06 02:32:57 PM  
Not a single mention of AIM and all the mid-level baddies that ran it? Centipede is pure AIM.
 
2014-03-06 02:33:50 PM  

SpectroBoy: When shows dissappear and reappear without any logic even a great show* can lose viewers.

* I am not saying SHIELD is a great show.


Marvel/ABC has been working around the standard holiday breaks and the Olympics, but they are also staggering the episodes so that they roughly coincide with DVD or theatrical releases. The show acts as an infomercial for their other properties. But so few people are watching I don't see how well that could be working for them.
 
2014-03-06 02:34:36 PM  

rugman11: lordargent: rugman11: I'd also point out that SHIELD's main competition, NCIS, has aired on a similarly awkward schedule and doesn't seem to be having the same problems.

NCIS has been around since 2003 IIRC, so has a dedicated following.

AoS is what, still in it's first season.

So what should they have done?  Honest questions.  They could have

1) Aired episodes sporadically until the Olympics were over (like they did)
2) Taken a three month hiatus
3) Aired episodes against the Olympics

Those were their options and none are particularly good.  If you can think of something else, I'd love to hear it.


Air repeats of the show, maybe starting with the first episode so people who missed earlier shows could catch them. Have an ad at the beginning and end of the repeats that shout "new episodes of AoS return on March 4!!!!!"

That might have worked.
 
2014-03-06 02:35:13 PM  

Missicat: eddievercetti: Considering the insane timing the last 3 episodes had, it's ABCs fault.

Ironically, it'shiatting it's stride now.

/Deathlok
//Sif
///Kree?

Definitely getting better.  Is the show with Sif going to air next week? Or do we have to wait another month?


Well, at least it's not Doctor Who.  Having to wait almost a year between seasons (or, rather, HALF-seasons)... seriously, wth is up with that.
 
2014-03-06 02:37:25 PM  

Browncoat: SpectroBoy: When shows dissappear and reappear without any logic even a great show* can lose viewers.

* I am not saying SHIELD is a great show.

Marvel/ABC has been working around the standard holiday breaks and the Olympics, but they are also staggering the episodes so that they roughly coincide with DVD or theatrical releases. The show acts as an infomercial for their other properties. But so few people are watching I don't see how well that could be working for them.


I guess that explains the mistake. But it still seems like a mistake.
 
2014-03-06 02:37:40 PM  
It has been on hiatus so long that no one knew it was on. Most people thought it had been cancelled. ABC, if you want a regular audience, your show needs to air every week.
 
2014-03-06 02:43:36 PM  

Saners: AliceBToklasLives: EyeballKid: And, the Whedonites will soon be Jossplaining why this is different from the other turds he's managed to have cancelled in a year, and it's the network's fault that the show's doing poorly, and if they only put it in the right time slot.

Just saying, Whedonites, fool me 4 times...

Why is he still producing stuff on OTA networks?  His fanbase isn't gonna compete with Scandal or whatever's a network hit.  But his shows would be hits for SciFy.

/I'm not helping since I'm in the wait 'til DVD crowd

Wouldn't surprise me if it is more of a Marvel thing. Plus joss doesn't have much involvement in the show past the pilot episode.

The saddest part of this link is how few viewers B99 has.


B99 is great and I have a weird thing for the secretary chick since she is so insane.
 
2014-03-06 02:43:54 PM  

2wolves: Not a single mention of AIM and all the mid-level baddies that ran it? Centipede is pure AIM.


I assumed that many others had made that connection hence the MODOK mentions, but worth saying overtly all the same.
 
2014-03-06 02:44:48 PM  

ajt167: The biggest and frequent complaint about the show is lack of superheroes, but all along the advertising before the premiere the stated concept very clearly put forth was that it was about heroes that weren't super. They said that up front, but people are still disappointed. Also, the show is for the masses and intended to get ratings. You can't have that if the show is dealing with obscure people and references only a small number of people understand.


It's failing to get the ratings (see TFA), so apparently heroes - super = fail.  Secondly, wrt references only some people will get, please see Arrow for a show that does it right.

AoS could be so much better if it just had a focus.  They've spent so much time world building that they seem to have forgotten they need an actual plot.  They also have so many damned mysteries going on, it's really gotten to the point of being annoying. We have Centipede, the Clairvoyant, Coulson's resurrection, Skye's origin, May's past, and now Deathlok and maybe aliens...it's too damned much.  They should have picked one central mystery and solved it through the season.  As it is, there is absolutely no way they can pay off all those mysteries without at least half being either dropped or solved in ridiculous ways.
 
2014-03-06 02:46:01 PM  

xanadian: Missicat: eddievercetti: Considering the insane timing the last 3 episodes had, it's ABCs fault.

Ironically, it'shiatting it's stride now.

/Deathlok
//Sif
///Kree?

Definitely getting better.  Is the show with Sif going to air next week? Or do we have to wait another month?

Well, at least it's not Doctor Who.  Having to wait almost a year between seasons (or, rather, HALF-seasons)... seriously, wth is up with that.


Or Sherlock...waiting two years for three episodes???
 
2014-03-06 02:46:04 PM  

Dr. Whoof: ajt167: The biggest and frequent complaint about the show is lack of superheroes, but all along the advertising before the premiere the stated concept very clearly put forth was that it was about heroes that weren't super. They said that up front, but people are still disappointed. Also, the show is for the masses and intended to get ratings. You can't have that if the show is dealing with obscure people and references only a small number of people understand.

It's failing to get the ratings (see TFA), so apparently heroes - super = fail.  Secondly, wrt references only some people will get, please see Arrow for a show that does it right.

AoS could be so much better if it just had a focus.  They've spent so much time world building that they seem to have forgotten they need an actual plot.  They also have so many damned mysteries going on, it's really gotten to the point of being annoying. We have Centipede, the Clairvoyant, Coulson's resurrection, Skye's origin, May's past, and now Deathlok and maybe aliens...it's too damned much.  They should have picked one central mystery and solved it through the season.  As it is, there is absolutely no way they can pay off all those mysteries without at least half being either dropped or solved in ridiculous ways.


You Make Them Sound...... Lost.
 
2014-03-06 02:46:50 PM  

Browncoat: SpectroBoy: When shows dissappear and reappear without any logic even a great show* can lose viewers.

* I am not saying SHIELD is a great show.

Marvel/ABC has been working around the standard holiday breaks and the Olympics, but they are also staggering the episodes so that they roughly coincide with DVD or theatrical releases. The show acts as an infomercial for their other properties. But so few people are watching I don't see how well that could be working for them.


Sounds like this would be a solid marketing plan if it didn't mess up with any sort of investment the audience might have in the show which would further encourage them to watch, further making it likely they'll be successfully marketed to meaning Marvel can further advertise other properties to you making you more like to watch them and then tune back in next week to watch AoS to stay abreast of what's up in the universe etc.
 
2014-03-06 02:47:05 PM  

Browncoat: SpectroBoy: When shows dissappear and reappear without any logic even a great show* can lose viewers.

* I am not saying SHIELD is a great show.

Marvel/ABC has been working around the standard holiday breaks and the Olympics, but they are also staggering the episodes so that they roughly coincide with DVD or theatrical releases. The show acts as an infomercial for their other properties. But so few people are watching I don't see how well that could be working for them.


Yup. Casual fans are loooong gone. We're down to hardcore Marvel lovers and comic book readers. ABC has already renewed AoS based on early numbers, but the store is empty now. It's fighting for 3rd place in its timeslot.
 
2014-03-06 02:50:37 PM  

SpectroBoy: EyeballKid: And, the Whedonites will soon be Jossplaining why this is different from the other turds he's managed to have cancelled in a year, and it's the network's fault that the show's doing poorly, and if they only put it in the right time slot.

Just saying, Whedonites, fool me 4 times...

LOLWut?

Buffy was on for 6 years
Angel was on for 5 years
Firefly was tampered with by execs (shown out of order) and CLEARLY vindicated by later sales and the movie
Avengers broke sales records
Much Ado About Nothing was well reviewed


Can you list some of these "turds" you are talking about? Dollhouse is debatable for sure, but what else?


Firefly sucked. Dollhouse sucked. Agents of Shield sucks. Although, AOS is different because, apparently, Whedon does alright if somebody else has already done the storytelling part for him.
 
2014-03-06 02:58:51 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Honestly, the last episode was the best one of the series, and that's partially because Skye had ZERO lines and was limited to convulsing every 12 minutes. I wish they'd have let her perish, though. She's an awful character.


Pretty much this. They should have let her die, and used that to propel the rest of the team forward with a darker edge. But somebody exec producing on that show really loves her.

There is an inverse relationship between how central Skye is to any given episode and how good that episode is. The show desperately wants us to like Skye, and it's not happening; partly because it's a crappy character, horribly written; partly because the show is trying so hard to foist her on us; and partly because of the poor acting. When the other characters have to keep telling us how wonderful Skye is and how important to the team even they've only known her a few weeks, you know the character is in trouble.

I suspect she was originally supposed to be the "normal" outsider that we viewers identify with as our proxy, discovering the SHIELD universe alongside us -- much like Gwen started out in Torchwood. But her motivation and conversion never felt credible, and it feels like they have been thrashing ever since it became obvious that we didn't much like her, throwing more backstory and angles at the character so that she has become less and less "normal" and less differentiated from the other characters (she has mad fighting skills now? WTF?).

And while the latest episode was better, it still had a mountain of plot holes: They discover the Most Secret Lab In The World out of nothing; just show up there, and easily hack their way in because the entire facility is protected by one lock and two people; kill a couple of guards who might well have been their own guys (don't they have any non-lethal disabling weapons?); steal exactly one thing; cause the whole thing to blow up; and then fly away, presumably agreeing never to speak of it again. So not only did they kill two people to save Skye, they deprived SHIELD of the technology that could have healed many more agents in the future. Nice work, guys.

At this point my feeling is that whatever ideas they originally had for how Coulson was revived and what Skye's role is have been thrown out, and they are desperately thrashing to come up with something that works. I'm not optimistic.
 
2014-03-06 03:07:12 PM  
EyeballKid

Firefly sucked.

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2014-03-06 03:08:05 PM  

ViciousX: EyeballKid: And, the Whedonites will soon be Jossplaining why this is different from the other turds he's managed to have cancelled in a year, and it's the network's fault that the show's doing poorly, and if they only put it in the right time slot.

Just saying, Whedonites, fool me 4 times...

I've enjoyed Joss's work. Loved Buffy, Angel, Firefly. Didn't care for Dollhouse. Loved The Avengers. Loved his "Much Ado About Nothing".

Agents of SHIELD sucks and I look forward to its cancellation with glee.


It's NOT JOSS WHEDON! He only did the first episode, which was actually pretty good, but all the other episodes are done by his brother Jed Whedon; and in my opinion they aren't that good. I want to like it, but it just moves so freakin slow and the characters are pretty two dimensional. I won't be sad if it's cancelled, but I kind of hope there is a season two with new writers and directors, I think it could be a good show, it's just isn't being done right.
 
2014-03-06 03:15:41 PM  
By the way, am I the only straight male on Fark who doesn't think that Chloe Bennet is particularly attractive? She's got this whole baby faced chipmunk think going on that does nothing for me.
 
2014-03-06 03:15:45 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: It's full of the same nonsensical Whedon tropes every Whedon series is


Problem for me is, I like the Whedon tropes (yes, even Whedonspeak).  But this seems to me like someone TRYING to do a Whedon show.  The Whedon tropes are like bland attempts at Whedon tropes.  And there is far too much violation of the "show, don't tell" principle, without sufficient justification.  So Skye is a supersmart hypercompetent hacker who is clearly born to be a SHIELD agent... and we know this because Coulson keeps saying so.  The team is a ragtag band of misfits who come together as family... because Coulson says so.  Skye is filled with deep inner turmoil regarding her parents and powerfully motivated to solve the mystery surrounding them... take her word for it.
 
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