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(MLive.com)   Not News: eight-year old watches fellow student with delinquent lunch tab get a cold sandwich instead of a hot school meal. Fark: eight-year old raises $14,000 to pay for 4,000 reduced-price meals   (mlive.com) divider line 44
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2014-03-06 08:48:21 AM
6 votes:
That's true charity.  The kid saw a need, and asked people to help him to help others voluntarily.  Bravo, young Sir.
2014-03-06 09:24:03 AM
4 votes:
Every child in America should get a full, nutritious school lunch, no strings attached.  It takes a pretty massive piece of sh*t to think otherwise, or to think that it's fair to segregate students' nutrition based on their parents' perceived or actual failings.  But...welcome to Fark.  I'm sure that at least one or two massive pieces of sh*t will be offended by my accurate characterization.

No child in the richest nation in the world should EVER go hungry, but the party of Jesus has decided that we just can't afford it, especially when there are tanks and fighter jets to build and rich people's taxes to cut.  Hallelujah.
2014-03-06 09:51:41 AM
3 votes:

RDixon: When has school lunch ever been free for all?

In the 60s in elementary school it was $1.00 per month for hot lunch.

Kids that didn't pay either brought their own or ate nothing.

In the late 60s to early 70s the free or reduced price lunch was started but only for very low income families.

In high school in the 70s lunch was $1.50 per week and breakfast was free for all.

And the food was just as bad then as it is now in schools.


It's not about the food, it's about shaming small children for being poor.
2014-03-06 12:46:33 PM
2 votes:
And thus continuing the cycle of teaching people that others will bail them out.

Good job
2014-03-06 11:09:10 AM
2 votes:
Why aren't the parents feeding their own children? Why is it the school's responsibility?
2014-03-06 10:53:32 AM
2 votes:

Ker_Thwap: Want to help the poor, there are a thousand charities who can better spend the money.


Yeah because when you give those charities $10k a whole $5k goes to the people that need it and the rest goes to overhead or you can do what this kid did and 100% goes to the people that need it.
2014-03-06 10:31:06 AM
2 votes:

Ker_Thwap: So, the kids parents help him set up a fundraiser to prove a political point, or at the least brought it to the attention of various bloggers and the media?  I'm unimpressed.

They're not feeding the poor, they're feeding the kids who have lazy/idiot parents who occasionally forget to send in the lunch money on time.

/My ex wife would very often "forget" to send in the lunch money, knowing that I'd cover it.  I hate scumbag parents.


Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning?

1) Kid saw a problem.
2) Kid asked: "What can I do?"
3) Parents (who might have been shocked the moral lesson actually sunk in), went: "Well, let's see."
4) Everybody is happier.

Good on ya, kid.  And whoever taught you to look out for your fellow kid.
2014-03-06 10:13:58 AM
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I'm responsible enough to feed my kids, why shouldn't I be forced to feed strangers kids as well?

You're more than welcome to give more of your to other people's kids. You're not welcome to force me to do the same.


It might make you angry that a child is being fed on your pittance of a contribution to such a program but if you need to look at it in a selfish way children who get good nourishment today will cost you less tomorrow in other ways.
2014-03-06 09:21:18 AM
2 votes:
good on the kid but sadly we live in a country where a child needs to raise money for other children to eat food.
2014-03-06 09:15:11 AM
2 votes:

SuperChuck: What's wrong with a sandwich?


Nothing, whats wrong is humiliating small children because their parents can't afford to feed them.  When these kids grow, some of them are going to realize what a raw deal they got.  Remember that a few years from now, when they're getting ready to parade your head around on the end of a pike.
2014-03-06 09:12:24 AM
2 votes:
What's wrong with a sandwich?
2014-03-06 09:04:09 AM
2 votes:
I hope the other kid's parent get inspired.
2014-03-06 09:01:58 AM
2 votes:
Good for him! I gotta say though reading through it something struck me...
"the students to take an alternate lunch of a sandwich, fruit and milk. "
Sad to say that's probably a better lunch than I will have today so I'm really not outraged. If school lunch is the same as it was when I was going to elementary school the kids are probably coming out better nutrition and taste wise with the sandwich milk and fruit.
2014-03-06 01:13:53 PM
1 votes:

TNel: Splish: If you had searched really, really hard, you'd also see that the people most likely to donate blood are also conservative and religious.

Again I have never been asked at the collection site my religious preference or what my party affliation is.  What you are seeing are polls and if you believe a poll.......


No, they're studies published in peer reviewed journals. If you don't get the difference between a study and a poll, or if you think a study is invalid because you didn't individually participate in it I'm not sure what to tell you.
2014-03-06 12:26:05 PM
1 votes:
As someone from Lansing that benefited from the free (then later on, reduced) lunch program, I say, good on this kid. It sucks having to eat a cold meal in the winter, and I'm sure there is an element of shaming/teasing going on (ha ha, Timmy has to eat the gross sandwich!). Keep in mind the "sandwich, fruit and milk" is probably turkey with some sort of cheese product slice, and a bruised apple the size of a plum. It's not terrible, but it's not great, either.
I remember being in 5th grade before I realized that no everyone got a lunch card at the beginning of the week (since most of the kids in my class did). The system does seem improved, however, because if I didn't pay the reduced fare (in high school) on Monday morning, then I didn't eat for the week. It was our responsibility to pay in advance, but we needed to pay every week. Maybe because at high school level they think you're responsible enough to do this, although given the $5 on monday could just mean I bought McDonalds for two days and coasted the other 3.
2014-03-06 12:07:49 PM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Poor people don't donate blood regularly, or organs (unless they die in a moped crash).


Really and  you know this how? Because you talk to poor people? Do you actually know any? I do and I speak to them about it all the time. The things is MOST PEOPLE don't know what it is. And they do donate blood because they are paid to donate it. It's a way to make money.

//Don't agree with the paid blood donation.
//If people had easier ways to get ID cards, they would know that they can sign up as an organ donor very easily. I suggest everyone do it. If your organs don't go to someone, they will be used for research.
2014-03-06 12:04:45 PM
1 votes:

TNel: Priapetic: And if people are donating their money to pay for meals only because these kids are losing their slips, and the parents aren't responsble enough to think, "You know, I haven't paid the school lunch bill in a while, maybe I ought to check on that and make sure it's Ok", they should be PISSED.

Or I paid $80 at the beginning of the month at roughly $2+ a meal that should last the kid about 30 meals so that should last more than a month, only to find out that the kid is spending $5 and is out of money before the end of the month.

Yeah I'm saying to purchase TV over food you got it.  If they are poor they are getting either free lunch or reduced lunch and reduced lunch costs like .75 so a month of meals is less than $30 which most people could scrap together.

 I'm saying that it's stupid to say "Turn off your TV when you lose your job" when it costs the person more than it would to just continue paying for a month or 2 before they get back on their feet.


If you were to lose your job next month and that would mean you'd have to choose between satellite tv and your children eating, you can't afford satellite tv this month either.
2014-03-06 12:03:59 PM
1 votes:

Another Government Employee: The point you are missing here is the idea originated from the eight year old. And, because how he and his parental units worked it, he got to see the fruits of his efforts directly, rather than as a third party observer. This lesson IS important at that age, that actions DO have consequences (positive, in this case). As he grows older and starts thinking: "Well, how did they get here?", then your methods will be more effective.


I'm not missing that point.  Yes, that is kind of sweet.  I'm just too jaded to be impressed by it.  I've read too many self congratulatory articles about how some kid did something special, only to learn that the parents did all the work, and went running to the press/media/bloggers with it to promote their own social agenda.  Occams razor tells me the parents did most the work, and thus for an adult charity, it kind of sucks.  For a child charity, daww, puppies!
2014-03-06 11:58:42 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I'm responsible enough to feed my kids, why shouldn't I be forced to feed strangers kids as well?You're more than welcome to give more of your to other people's kids. You're not welcome to force me to do the same


And when one of your kids needs a blood transfusion or an organ from of those strangers kids and they say, "NO. We don't want to help people like you." What will your reaction be then? Remember you reap what you sow. If you reap hatred don't expect to sow love.
2014-03-06 11:48:45 AM
1 votes:
Yeah, the guy that made a fat Barbie doll got the hero tag too, doesn't really mean much does it.
2014-03-06 11:46:22 AM
1 votes:

Another Government Employee: Just thought of something.

We at FARK should come up with a proper reward for this young man.

I propose we create and give to him The Mr. Rogers Good Neighbor award.


Your handle fits you.

The kid, while his intentions were good, saw a problem where there actually wasn't one and proceeded to shake down his neighbors to solve this great "injustice" that his bill was overdue. The horror. The horror.  And now should be rewarded for it.
2014-03-06 11:34:12 AM
1 votes:
Just thought of something.

We at FARK should come up with a proper reward for this young man.

I propose we create and give to him The Mr. Rogers Good Neighbor award.
2014-03-06 11:31:46 AM
1 votes:

TNel: Dirty Doug: TNel, assuming you're being sarcastic... this is the fundamental problem with all of these welfare programs. There are lots of kids whose parents simply choose to spend their money on other non-essential stuff, then cry that they can't afford the essentials for their children. So we pay for the kids, and resent the whole system. But at the heart of it, it's a good idea. Because there are really kids who can't afford meals. And, frankly, if you can look at a hungry kid and not want to feed him, well, you're a better man than me.

/ Believe in financial responsibility
// Can't bear to watch a kid suffer

I was being a bit sarcastic but I can't fault the parents if they want to spend $50 a month on TV service.  If that makes them feel "normal" and makes the kids happy when they are home then why not?   The kid was eating a sandwhich so they are still getting food.  The stigma of poor people is horrible and fox news doesn't help.  When you are constantly being picked on by the population I can't fault people for wanting to have some kind of luxury in their life.

Let's say this students parents just lost their job and went on unemployment but they have a contract with DirecTV if they break that contract they have to pay $250 or they keep paying the $50 a month thinking that in 5 months they should have a job so it would be stupid to break contract and be out $250 all at one time (which they don't have so it goes straight to a collection agency screwing their credit for 6 years).

We love to look at people from the outside and judge but we almost never get the full information.  Maybe the kid was getting a cold lunch because the parents didn't realize that the kid was in the negative.  Our school use to just put a slip of paper in the bookbag which was lost many times, so my kid ate the "I have no money to get a lunch" meal before, not because I was a bad person and didn't want to feed my kid but because I didn't realize he was out of money due to him eating ...


Boy, I really hope this is a troll, and not your actual belief.  If you as a parent are choosing DirectTV over making sure your kids have food, you are a terrible parent.  FFS, get an antenna and watch over the air TV and put that money towards your kids!  Being a parent involves making sacrifices for your kids, end of story.  Whether it's time, money, or foregone opportunities.

And why the hell has society evolved to a point where you have to have DirectTV to "feel normal"???  What else do you need to "feel normal"?  A Gucci shoe tree?  A personally autographed picture of Randy Mantooth?

And if people are donating their money to pay for meals only because these kids are losing their slips, and the parents aren't responsble enough to think, "You know, I haven't paid the school lunch bill in a while, maybe I ought to check on that and make sure it's Ok",  they should be PISSED.
2014-03-06 11:31:22 AM
1 votes:

Ker_Thwap: Another Government Employee: Ker_Thwap: So, the kids parents help him set up a fundraiser to prove a political point, or at the least brought it to the attention of various bloggers and the media?  I'm unimpressed.

They're not feeding the poor, they're feeding the kids who have lazy/idiot parents who occasionally forget to send in the lunch money on time.

/My ex wife would very often "forget" to send in the lunch money, knowing that I'd cover it.  I hate scumbag parents.

Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning?

1) Kid saw a problem.
2) Kid asked: "What can I do?"
3) Parents (who might have been shocked the moral lesson actually sunk in), went: "Well, let's see."
4) Everybody is happier.

Good on ya, kid.  And whoever taught you to look out for your fellow kid.

Want to teach your kid a lesson, teach them that throwing money at a problem isn't always the smart answer.   You can replace the words "hot lunch" and "cold lunch" in this article with "tan lunch" and "beige lunch" and nothing changes.   Want to help the poor, there are a thousand charities who can better spend the money.

No one pissed in my cereal, it's just this family has done nothing to solve the root issues, and is engaged in self congratulatory masterbation.  How nice.


At eight years old, that lesson would be lost.

He started as local as you can get. The kids next to him.  He made his little area of the world better.

A lot better than you have this morning.
2014-03-06 10:43:53 AM
1 votes:
What's the issue with a cold sandwich, exactly?
2014-03-06 10:43:07 AM
1 votes:

Headso: It might make you angry that a child is being fed on your pittance of a contribution to such a program but if you need to look at it in a selfish way children who get good nourishment today will cost you less tomorrow in other ways.


THIS.  It is extremely short-sighted to not realise that everybody benefits from this.  It has been proven that kids who have a balanced diet have better levels of concentration and energy, meaning less disruption in class.  This means that the teacher will have more time to spare for actual teaching rather than dealing with trouble makers.  I have long maintained that private schools do better not only because they pay the teachers better but because all of the kids get a nutritionally balanced meal and pay attention more in class.

So for anybody who is opposed to this on ideological and ignorant grounds (looking at you  DJATTOD) just remember - your special little snowflake BENEFITS from this so you don't have to feel TOO bad about helping the less fortunate.
2014-03-06 10:22:12 AM
1 votes:
So, the kids parents help him set up a fundraiser to prove a political point, or at the least brought it to the attention of various bloggers and the media?  I'm unimpressed.

They're not feeding the poor, they're feeding the kids who have lazy/idiot parents who occasionally forget to send in the lunch money on time.

/My ex wife would very often "forget" to send in the lunch money, knowing that I'd cover it.  I hate scumbag parents.
2014-03-06 10:15:16 AM
1 votes:
So, how many rightwing death threats has this kid gotten so far?
2014-03-06 10:01:38 AM
1 votes:

Phinn: xanadian: Wait.  Kids have to PAY for their school lunches!??  When I was a kid, it was only the breakfasts they served before opening bell that kids had to pay for (and it was optional, of course).  Lunches were free.  WHAT KIND OF A MAD, TWISTED WORLD ARE WE LIVING IN, NOW!??

Those gold-plated six-figure public-employee pensions aren't free, you know.  Somebody has to pay for them.


As a public employee with a pension plan, I'm really looking forward to my golden retirement check for $1200/month. I'm gonna be rich, I tell you!

(State government blue collar workers get paid shiat - don't believe what right-wing media yelps about)
2014-03-06 09:55:59 AM
1 votes:

mod3072: Personally, I think the whole free/reduced lunch system is broken. We attempted to make it fair and make sure that every kid gets at least one good meal per day by making the meals free or reduced for lower income families, but we still end up with parents who don't pay their bills and kids who get left out. A few storied like this actually make the news, but it's happening millions of times each day all across the country. Just make the program free and feed the damn kids. If we can afford to spend billions of dollars on welfare for the richest corporations the world has ever seen, we can afford a few sloppy joes for schoolkids.


My son's school took a community option for four years. Something like 75% of his school qualified for free or reduced lunches, so every kid in the grade school gets free breakfast and lunch. They do this during the summer when school's out, too. I wish all school districts could/would do this.
2014-03-06 09:44:11 AM
1 votes:

Danger Mouse: ThunderPelvis: Every child in America should get a full, nutritious school lunch, no strings attached.  It takes a pretty massive piece of sh*t to think otherwise, or to think that it's fair to segregate students' nutrition based on their parents' perceived or actual failings.  But...welcome to Fark.  I'm sure that at least one or two massive pieces of sh*t will be offended by my accurate characterization.

No child in the richest nation in the world should EVER go hungry, but the party of Jesus has decided that we just can't afford it, especially when there are tanks and fighter jets to build and rich people's taxes to cut.  Hallelujah.

I dont know  Qatar, Luxenborg, or Norway if kids are going  hungry.  But no child in this school was going hungry.  Who's said there was nutrional segregation? Who's to say the sandwhich and fruit is any less nutritious than the other meals?


I'd tell you you're a massive piece of sh*t, but he's already taken care of that preemptively. When I was a kid, I took a bag lunch to school. It was usually a sandwich, piece of fruit, chips, and a juice box. Apparently my mom was mistreating me and not supplying my nutritional needs. And anyone who disagrees with my spectacular assessment is a bedwetter.
2014-03-06 09:40:27 AM
1 votes:
Why when I was a boy I had to carry biscuits under my arms to keep them warm as I walked 5 miles to school in the snow. Up hill, both ways.
2014-03-06 09:39:05 AM
1 votes:

TNel: Pick: Why aren't the parents feeding their own kids? The most basic need of all, food is being neglected by these totally irresponsible parents. I'll be they all have DirecTV and an iPhone, though.

And a refrigerator!


TNel, assuming you're being sarcastic...  this is the fundamental problem with all of these welfare programs.  There are lots of kids whose parents simply choose to spend their money on other non-essential stuff, then cry that they can't afford the essentials for their children.  So we pay for the kids, and resent the whole system.  But at the heart of it, it's a good idea.  Because there are really kids who can't afford meals.  And, frankly, if you can look at a hungry kid and not want to feed him, well, you're a better man than me.

/ Believe in financial responsibility
// Can't bear to watch a kid suffer
2014-03-06 09:38:49 AM
1 votes:
Personally, I think the whole free/reduced lunch system is broken. We attempted to make it fair and make sure that every kid gets at least one good meal per day by making the meals free or reduced for lower income families, but we still end up with parents who don't pay their bills and kids who get left out. A few storied like this actually make the news, but it's happening millions of times each day all across the country. Just make the program free and feed the damn kids. If we can afford to spend billions of dollars on welfare for the richest corporations the world has ever seen, we can afford a few sloppy joes for schoolkids.
2014-03-06 09:32:25 AM
1 votes:

ThunderPelvis: Every child in America should get a full, nutritious school lunch, no strings attached.  It takes a pretty massive piece of sh*t to think otherwise, or to think that it's fair to segregate students' nutrition based on their parents' perceived or actual failings.  But...welcome to Fark.  I'm sure that at least one or two massive pieces of sh*t will be offended by my accurate characterization.

No child in the richest nation in the world should EVER go hungry, but the party of Jesus has decided that we just can't afford it, especially when there are tanks and fighter jets to build and rich people's taxes to cut.  Hallelujah.


I dont know  Qatar, Luxenborg, or Norway if kids are going  hungry.  But no child in this school was going hungry.  Who's said there was nutrional segregation? Who's to say the sandwhich and fruit is any less nutritious than the other meals?
2014-03-06 09:31:28 AM
1 votes:
Noble cause and everything but not really necessary as the school will provide a lunch regardless.
Also, my school didn't have any sort of cafeteria. You brought your own lunch and it was always a cold sandwich, snack and drink.
2014-03-06 09:27:56 AM
1 votes:

ThunderPelvis: Every child in America should get a full, nutritious school lunch, no strings attached.  It takes a pretty massive piece of sh*t to think otherwise, or to think that it's fair to segregate students' nutrition based on their parents' perceived or actual failings.  But...welcome to Fark.  I'm sure that at least one or two massive pieces of sh*t will be offended by my accurate characterization.

No child in the richest nation in the world should EVER go hungry, but the party of Jesus has decided that we just can't afford it, especially when there are tanks and fighter jets to build and rich people's taxes to cut.  Hallelujah.


I thoroughly agree.  Lets just take the money from the teachers unions.
2014-03-06 09:24:31 AM
1 votes:
I like the kid standing up and doing something, I'm just a bit confused on what the child thought the problem was? Was having kids get a free sandwhich some injustice that needed to be corrected?
2014-03-06 09:19:55 AM
1 votes:
I worked at a Golden Corral all through high school. I never ate lunch at school, just waited until after school and raided the good food at the Corral.
2014-03-06 09:17:22 AM
1 votes:

Pick: Why aren't the parents feeding their own kids? The most basic need of all, food is being neglected by these totally irresponsible parents. I'll be they all have DirecTV and an iPhone, though.


And a refrigerator!
2014-03-06 09:15:50 AM
1 votes:

SuperChuck: What's wrong with a sandwich?


I was thinking the same thing, what is wrong with a sandwich? I send my kid to school everyday with a sandwich for lunch.
2014-03-06 09:06:48 AM
1 votes:
I think it's abhorrent that the school system has two classes of meals.   You would think if there is one place on earth that should attempt to treat children equally its the public school system.
2014-03-06 09:01:36 AM
1 votes:

xanadian: Wait.  Kids have to PAY for their school lunches!??  When I was a kid, it was only the breakfasts they served before opening bell that kids had to pay for (and it was optional, of course).  Lunches were free.  WHAT KIND OF A MAD, TWISTED WORLD ARE WE LIVING IN, NOW!??


Those gold-plated six-figure public-employee pensions aren't free, you know.  Somebody has to pay for them.
2014-03-06 08:59:59 AM
1 votes:

xanadian: Lunches were free.


went to high school in the 80's.  Lunch at school was CHEAP, but never free unless you were one of the poor kids.  But us regular kids were paying, what, a buck 50 or so.  milk was a dime, i think.
 
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