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(MLive.com)   Not News: eight-year old watches fellow student with delinquent lunch tab get a cold sandwich instead of a hot school meal. Fark: eight-year old raises $14,000 to pay for 4,000 reduced-price meals   (mlive.com) divider line 186
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2014-03-06 12:44:03 PM  
Time for the productive portion of my day, must run. It's been fun.
 
2014-03-06 12:46:24 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Nothing wrong with that at all. I just assume I'm talking with adults on these forums, not to the kid directly. Thus my advice. If you ever want to help your kid with this kind of thing, is to encourage smart efficient charitable habits, rather than feel good throwing money at something and then being surprised later that money had zero long term effect on the problem.


The kid started as local with his charity as he could get, his own school.  Why does charity have to have a long term effect?  Why can't it help right here right now?
 
2014-03-06 12:46:33 PM  
And thus continuing the cycle of teaching people that others will bail them out.

Good job
 
2014-03-06 12:49:42 PM  

TNel: Disaster Transport: I remember being in 5th grade before I realized that no everyone got a lunch card at the beginning of the week (since most of the kids in my class did). The system does seem improved, however, because if I didn't pay the reduced fare (in high school) on Monday morning, then I didn't eat for the week. It was our responsibility to pay in advance, but we needed to pay every week. Maybe because at high school level they think you're responsible enough to do this, although given the $5 on monday could just mean I bought McDonalds for two days and coasted the other 3.

We were giving big green tokens so it was very easy to see who got free lunches and who paid so yeah the kids weren't always the nicest people.

Splish: But the fact is that most poor people don't donate blood. Most rich people don't either. Very few people donate blood on any sort of a regular basis. Statistically, the people who donate blood are on average white, college educated, married, and above average income. It's basically the same demographic of people who breastfeed their children, except more male.

You have stats to back that up right or are you talking out your ass?  I mean you did say "Statistically" so that means you can show proof of your work because I searched really hard and found no data and everytime that I go to donate they have never asked me for my income level.


You must not have searched really hard, since if you Google "Who donates blood?" you have to scroll all the way down to the top link to find that information.
 
2014-03-06 12:54:03 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: allylloyd: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I'm responsible enough to feed my kids, why shouldn't I be forced to feed strangers kids as well?You're more than welcome to give more of your to other people's kids. You're not welcome to force me to do the same

And when one of your kids needs a blood transfusion or an organ from of those strangers kids and they say, "NO. We don't want to help people like you." What will your reaction be then? Remember you reap what you sow. If you reap hatred don't expect to sow love.

Poor people don't donate blood regularly, or organs (unless they die in a moped crash).


I think the point was that if the time should come that you need a blood transfusion or an organ, at that time, YOU are going to be the poor person and God forbid someone be standing there saying "I'm responsible enough to take care of my organs/blood/whatever, why should I be forced to take care of yours because you didn't??"

Rich and poor isn't just about money and cash flow.
 
2014-03-06 12:55:14 PM  

Splish: You must not have searched really hard, since if you Google "Who donates blood?" you have to scroll all the way down to the top link to find that information.


yeah because "According to studies, the average donor is a college-educated white male, between the ages of 30 and 50, who is married and has an above-average income. However, a broad cross-section of the population donates every day. Furthermore, these "average" statistics are changing, and women and minority groups are volunteering to donate in increasing numbers. While persons 65 years and older compose 13 percent of the population, they use 25 percent of all blood units transfused. "

With no citation and WHO and Red Cross have no information on the individual donor only the wealth of the country donating.  "Blood Donor Demographics" shows no studies and would be interested in this study which I bet was an informal survey since like I said before all of the times that I have giving blood they have never asked me  for my income levels.
 
2014-03-06 12:56:31 PM  
I would have taught them to fish
 
2014-03-06 12:56:55 PM  

Splish: TNel: Disaster Transport: I remember being in 5th grade before I realized that no everyone got a lunch card at the beginning of the week (since most of the kids in my class did). The system does seem improved, however, because if I didn't pay the reduced fare (in high school) on Monday morning, then I didn't eat for the week. It was our responsibility to pay in advance, but we needed to pay every week. Maybe because at high school level they think you're responsible enough to do this, although given the $5 on monday could just mean I bought McDonalds for two days and coasted the other 3.

We were giving big green tokens so it was very easy to see who got free lunches and who paid so yeah the kids weren't always the nicest people.

Splish: But the fact is that most poor people don't donate blood. Most rich people don't either. Very few people donate blood on any sort of a regular basis. Statistically, the people who donate blood are on average white, college educated, married, and above average income. It's basically the same demographic of people who breastfeed their children, except more male.

You have stats to back that up right or are you talking out your ass?  I mean you did say "Statistically" so that means you can show proof of your work because I searched really hard and found no data and everytime that I go to donate they have never asked me for my income level.

You must not have searched really hard, since if you Google "Who donates blood?" you have to scroll all the way down to the top link to find that information.


If you had searched really, really hard, you'd also see that the people most likely to donate blood are also conservative and religious.

Here was how I found this information:
Go to Google.
Search for relevant terms.
Click on any of the links.
Read them.
 
2014-03-06 12:56:57 PM  

Splish: You must not have searched really hard, since if you Google "Who donates blood?" you have to scroll all the way down to the top link to find that information.


All the times that you have giving have they ever asked you how much you make?
 
2014-03-06 12:59:13 PM  

Splish: If you had searched really, really hard, you'd also see that the people most likely to donate blood are also conservative and religious.


Again I have never been asked at the collection site my religious preference or what my party affliation is.  What you are seeing are polls and if you believe a poll.......
 
2014-03-06 12:59:42 PM  
The school is actually in Howell, MI, not Lansing which according to a quick google search, has a 16% family poverty rate.

Good on this kid...at 8 they are finally starting to really feel empathy for other people/kids around them (based on observations of my own 8 year old and his friends). And if he pays off the tabs of some kids who's parents just forgot to pay up, well then I guess you can just hope those parents feel like jackasses and maybe contribute to this kids fund.

/CSS: I almost burst into tears when my 8 year old asked if we could pool all our money (his included) to help out his uncle and aunt who were having trouble.
//Told him no since we had already helped them out but praised the crap out of his generous thinking.
 
2014-03-06 01:01:08 PM  

TNel: Splish: You must not have searched really hard, since if you Google "Who donates blood?" you have to scroll all the way down to the top link to find that information.

yeah because "According to studies, the average donor is a college-educated white male, between the ages of 30 and 50, who is married and has an above-average income. However, a broad cross-section of the population donates every day. Furthermore, these "average" statistics are changing, and women and minority groups are volunteering to donate in increasing numbers. While persons 65 years and older compose 13 percent of the population, they use 25 percent of all blood units transfused. "

With no citation and WHO and Red Cross have no information on the individual donor only the wealth of the country donating.  "Blood Donor Demographics" shows no studies and would be interested in this study which I bet was an informal survey since like I said before all of the times that I have giving blood they have never asked me  for my income levels.


Would you take the CDC? Or peer reviewed journals? More importantly, did you find any acceptable data from the WHO or Red Cross that disputes what I said or addresses it at all?
 
2014-03-06 01:03:31 PM  

Splish: Would you take the CDC? Or peer reviewed journals? More importantly, did you find any acceptable data from the WHO or Red Cross that disputes what I said or addresses it at all?


Sure post the link it's not my job to backup your claims.  I read a WHO report that listed wealth of country if you have one that lists the donors themselves then please link it.
 
2014-03-06 01:13:53 PM  

TNel: Splish: If you had searched really, really hard, you'd also see that the people most likely to donate blood are also conservative and religious.

Again I have never been asked at the collection site my religious preference or what my party affliation is.  What you are seeing are polls and if you believe a poll.......


No, they're studies published in peer reviewed journals. If you don't get the difference between a study and a poll, or if you think a study is invalid because you didn't individually participate in it I'm not sure what to tell you.
 
2014-03-06 01:18:43 PM  

Splish: No, they're studies published in peer reviewed journals. If you don't get the difference between a study and a poll, or if you think a study is invalid because you didn't individually participate in it I'm not sure what to tell you.


Post up or shut up.
 
2014-03-06 02:35:08 PM  

TNel: Splish: No, they're studies published in peer reviewed journals. If you don't get the difference between a study and a poll, or if you think a study is invalid because you didn't individually participate in it I'm not sure what to tell you.

Post up or shut up.


As a conservative type that has been known to donate blood, I have to say.

Splish, post up or shut up.
 
2014-03-06 02:39:35 PM  

Tricky Chicken: As a conservative type that has been known to donate blood, I have to say.

Splish, post up or shut up.


I'll admit to being wrong if he has the studies but I'm leaning to it being a poll and I have zero faith in polls as being accurate.
 
2014-03-06 02:45:58 PM  

TNel: Tricky Chicken: As a conservative type that has been known to donate blood, I have to say.

Splish, post up or shut up.

I'll admit to being wrong if he has the studies but I'm leaning to it being a poll and I have zero faith in polls as being accurate.


A quick google search brought up many many conservative pundits making the same claim and all of the ones I found seemed to refer to a single 'study' by some guy named Brooks. I gave up at that point, because nobody mentioned anything speciffic about that one particular study or its methodology.
 
2014-03-06 02:49:57 PM  
$14,000/4000 meals = $3.50/lunch.  Where TF is school lunch $3.50? I paid $1.10, and I'm not *THAT* old......

/ GET OFF MY LAWN!
 
2014-03-06 02:52:29 PM  

Tricky Chicken: TNel: Tricky Chicken: As a conservative type that has been known to donate blood, I have to say.

Splish, post up or shut up.

I'll admit to being wrong if he has the studies but I'm leaning to it being a poll and I have zero faith in polls as being accurate.

A quick google search brought up many many conservative pundits making the same claim and all of the ones I found seemed to refer to a single 'study' by some guy named Brooks. I gave up at that point, because nobody mentioned anything speciffic about that one particular study or its methodology.


Diving down a bit deeper, led me to the wikipage on Brooks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Brooks">http://en.wikipedia.o rg/wiki/Arthur_C._Brooks

and TNel (ding ding ding ding) we have a winner!

You called it, the 'data' comes from survey results.

Also, donating to your religious corporation or "church" led to a report that 98% of church going people give to charity. Even if the church just pockets your money for helicopters and hookers.
 
2014-03-06 02:57:07 PM  

HighTechHick: $14,000/4000 meals = $3.50/lunch.  Where TF is school lunch $3.50? I paid $1.10, and I'm not *THAT* old......

/ GET OFF MY LAWN!


I wonder if that includes breakfast and lunch which would make a bit more sense.
 
2014-03-06 02:59:14 PM  
This all became an issue when schools contracted out to corporations for lunches.  Instead of a marginally higher food cost for free lunches, they have to pay for every lunch given out for free because they mandate the contractor feed kids even if they can't pay.

AKA, the free market at work.
 
2014-03-06 03:23:39 PM  

Splish: You could argue that if you're being paid for it it's not really a donation, but maybe that's getting into semantics. But the fact is that most poor people don't donate blood. Most rich people don't either. Very few people donate blood on any sort of a regular basis. Statistically, the people who donate blood are on average white, college educated, married, and above average income. It's basically the same demographic of people who breastfeed their children, except more male.



You don't know any BLACK people, do you? Because I'm a BLACK WOMAN! So please meet some of us and know we aren't all ghetto whores. We are intelligent, we are educated, we have good jobs, some of us are married with children, some of us are divorced with children and some of us just have children. We don't want to be Oprah and we don't want to be Beyoncé. WE JUST WANT TO BE RESPECTED!
 
2014-03-06 03:45:52 PM  
Ok, the demographic data other than political leaning and income level is out there, easy to find, and not much in dispute. As for the political leaning piece, that does seem to be primarily from the Arthur C. Brooks survey, and I'm not going to buy and read his book to ferret out his methods, so I'll gladly retract that claim. I can't find anything that substantively disputes it, but it's probably not very reliable either. I can't identify any specific study that deals with income level on a widespread basis in the U.S., although many major blood banks and university hospitals quote it verbatim as above. There are several studies published in major journals looking at it around the world, in Canada, India, China, Iran, Argentina, Japan, and Brazil that all find that higher socio-economic classes donate more frequently. Maybe the U.S. is uniquely different, although the racial demographic data strongly suggests it follows the exact same trend.
 
2014-03-06 04:21:52 PM  

TNel: HighTechHick: $14,000/4000 meals = $3.50/lunch.  Where TF is school lunch $3.50? I paid $1.10, and I'm not *THAT* old......

/ GET OFF MY LAWN!

I wonder if that includes breakfast and lunch which would make a bit more sense.


In my area it doesn't. Springfield School District charges students $1.10 for breakfast (K-12), adults are charged $1.90. Eugene 4J charges a different price for each level. Elementary school is $1.25, middle school is $1.50 & high school is $1.75.
 
2014-03-06 04:23:45 PM  

TNel: Priapetic: So the correct answer to that situation is for your neighbors to donate money to pay your child's bill?

Then what did you mean when you wrote "I was being a bit sarcastic but I can't fault the parents if they want to spend $50 a month on TV service. If that makes them feel "normal" and makes the kids happy when they are home then why not?"

Correct solution is to have a better system in place for when students accounts get into the negative than handing a 5 year old a small slip of paper in the morning and hoping it doesn't get lost.


Is there some point where the burden falls on the parent to be responsible?  Or is it up to the school system to design a process that is utterly foolproof?  The latter sounds expensive and penalizing to all the other parents who are responsible.


You could have read the second paragrah: ...

Um, I did read the second paragraph.  I assumed since you wrote both of them, they both represented your beliefs on the matter.  They are not mutually exclusive. If the first paragraph isn't what you believe, why didn't you delete it?
 
2014-03-06 04:57:20 PM  

allylloyd: Splish: You could argue that if you're being paid for it it's not really a donation, but maybe that's getting into semantics. But the fact is that most poor people don't donate blood. Most rich people don't either. Very few people donate blood on any sort of a regular basis. Statistically, the people who donate blood are on average white, college educated, married, and above average income. It's basically the same demographic of people who breastfeed their children, except more male.


You don't know any BLACK people, do you? Because I'm a BLACK WOMAN! So please meet some of us and know we aren't all ghetto whores. We are intelligent, we are educated, we have good jobs, some of us are married with children, some of us are divorced with children and some of us just have children. We don't want to be Oprah and we don't want to be Beyoncé. WE JUST WANT TO BE RESPECTED!


I appear to have touched a nerve, and I'm not sure why. Whatever it was, I apologize. I didn't think I said anything that implied you (either you personally or black women as a whole) were ghetto or anything else. I was simply restating the information from the sources I found (and that I admittedly can't substantiate with hard data), and I didn't mean any of it as a personal attack.
 
2014-03-06 05:30:41 PM  

allylloyd: WE JUST WANT TO BE R-E-S-P-E-C-TED


find out what it means to me

/sock it to me
 
2014-03-06 06:43:09 PM  

Headso: Pick: Why aren't the parents feeding their own children? Why is it the school's responsibility?

because you suck at trolling


The first question is legit.  Especially if you want to, you know, solve the problem and not just put a band aid on it.
 
2014-03-06 07:20:47 PM  

SuperChuck: What's wrong with a sandwich?


I was thinking a cold sandwich is probably healthier than "hot meal" which is probably deep fried cheese wrapped bacon or something. I remember being in school in 80s 90s 00s, if it was hot it was disgusting or deeply unhealthy.
 
2014-03-07 08:10:26 AM  

Priapetic: Is there some point where the burden falls on the parent to be responsible? Or is it up to the school system to design a process that is utterly foolproof? The latter sounds expensive and penalizing to all the other parents who are responsible.


If you don't know that there is an issue how can you fix said issue?  I usually give my kid $80 at the start of the month, if he blows through this money in a week and doesn't give me the paper how would I know that he's out of money?  You are telling me that in this day and age an email or txt is unthinkable?
 
2014-03-07 09:35:37 AM  

Priapetic: design a process that is utterly foolproof


lelz

you must be new to fark

welcome

/there is no such thing
 
2014-03-07 10:32:20 AM  

Priapetic: Or is it up to the school system to design a process that is utterly foolproof?


Here I have a system:  Balance <= X amount - Automated phone call saying "You childs lunch balance is currently below the allowable amount and your child will now receive a sandwhich and milk until the balance is paid off.", then an email goes out saying the same thing.   I get calls and emails about attendance why should food balance be any different.
 
2014-03-07 12:00:50 PM  

TNel: Priapetic: Or is it up to the school system to design a process that is utterly foolproof?

If you don't know that there is an issue how can you fix said issue?  I usually give my kid $80 at the start of the month, if he blows through this money in a week and doesn't give me the paper how would I know that he's out of money?  You are telling me that in this day and age an email or txt is unthinkable?


No, not unthinkable, but I think expecting parents to have enough involvement in and influence over their child's life that a) they are aware of what the child is doing, and b) they instill in their child enough sense of responsibility to deliver a note, is not only thinkable, but reasonable.  Why should anything else be needed.

Regardless of that, I still maintain if this whole situation were the result of clerical and information flow errors, the donators of $14,000 should be pissed, be cause I doubt that was their expectation when they donated.
 
2014-03-07 12:05:50 PM  

Priapetic: No, not unthinkable, but I think expecting parents to have enough involvement in and influence over their child's life that a) they are aware of what the child is doing, and b) they instill in their child enough sense of responsibility to deliver a note, is not only thinkable, but reasonable. Why should anything else be needed.


Because you have neveer lost a small piece of paper ever in your entire life.   Whatever.  I don't even trust my wife to not loose a full page worth a small strip of paper.
 
2014-03-07 01:05:24 PM  

Priapetic: Is there some point where the burden falls on the parent to be responsible?  Or is it up to the school system to design a process that is utterly foolproof?


wait i got it

the answer is Nanny 911

right? amirite??

nanny 911, help us

i liek that show cuz it comes on right before my fav. show ow my ballz :D
 
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