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2014-03-06 11:34:30 AM  

Splish: QueenMamaBee: ph0rk: What's the issue with a cold sandwich, exactly?

The issue isn't the sandwich, it's the fact that the kids are being treated differently for circumstances they can't control.

Who's being treated differently? I think the problem is that they're being treated the same and you think they should be treated differently.

Johnny's mom is broke and can't pay the bill, but he qualifies for free hot lunch. Splendid.

David's mom is scraping by but they don't qualify for the free lunch program. They can't afford the bill this month, so he gets a sandwich. Outrage!

Madison's dad is a millionaire and forgets to pay the bill, so Madison gets a cold sandwich. Outrage? Or "It won't kill her. She's lucky she's getting anything at all. Maybe this will teach them some responsibility"?


Why so blah about Madison? Madison deserves a good lunch even if her dad's forgetful.
 
2014-03-06 11:35:08 AM  

Fissile: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Fissile: RDixon: When has school lunch ever been free for all?

In the 60s in elementary school it was $1.00 per month for hot lunch.

Kids that didn't pay either brought their own or ate nothing.

In the late 60s to early 70s the free or reduced price lunch was started but only for very low income families.

In high school in the 70s lunch was $1.50 per week and breakfast was free for all.

And the food was just as bad then as it is now in schools.

It's not about the food, it's about shaming small children for being poor.

You went to a pretty farked up school of people "shamed" the reduced lunch kids.

That's exactly what is happening to the kids at this school.   Kids that can pay: burgers and pizza.  Can't pay: Bowl of gruel.


I feel shamed when I'm driving my Toyota Carolla and a doctor in a Porsche pulls up next to me. Are you gonna give me money? No? Then STFU
 
2014-03-06 11:35:27 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I'm responsible enough to feed my kids, why shouldn't I be forced to feed strangers kids as well?

You're more than welcome to give more of your to other people's kids. You're not welcome to force me to do the same.

It might make you angry that a child is being fed on your pittance of a contribution to such a program but if you need to look at it in a selfish way children who get good nourishment today will cost you less tomorrow in other ways.

Eh, I doubt it. Many of the kids on the free lunch program at my high school ended up in and out of jail and with kids of their own that they couldn't feed by the time the were 20.


you kept track of which kids in your high school were on the free lunch program? you sound like you'd be a hit at parties.
 
2014-03-06 11:36:43 AM  

ph0rk: QueenMamaBee: ph0rk: What's the issue with a cold sandwich, exactly?

The issue isn't the sandwich, it's the fact that the kids are being treated differently for circumstances they can't control.

They probably can't control their verbal or math ability, either. Should they all be treated the same there, too?


Because teaching and eating are the exact same thing.
 
2014-03-06 11:38:24 AM  

Priapetic: And if people are donating their money to pay for meals only because these kids are losing their slips, and the parents aren't responsble enough to think, "You know, I haven't paid the school lunch bill in a while, maybe I ought to check on that and make sure it's Ok", they should be PISSED.


Or I paid $80 at the beginning of the month at roughly $2+ a meal that should last the kid about 30 meals so that should last more than a month, only to find out that the kid is spending $5 and is out of money before the end of the month.

Yeah I'm saying to purchase TV over food you got it.  If they are poor they are getting either free lunch or reduced lunch and reduced lunch costs like .75 so a month of meals is less than $30 which most people could scrap together.

 I'm saying that it's stupid to say "Turn off your TV when you lose your job" when it costs the person more than it would to just continue paying for a month or 2 before they get back on their feet.
 
2014-03-06 11:38:42 AM  

Another Government Employee: At eight years old, that lesson would be lost.

He started as local as you can get. The kids next to him. He made his little area of the world better.

A lot better than you have this morning.


I'm discussing a better way of charitable giving, a more reasoned approach.  Thinking with your head to better the world.  You also underestimate what an 8 year old is capable of learning.  Both of my adult children are involved in charitable fundraising and volunteerism, as am I.  I must have done something right.

It's important to differentiate between ineffective feel good stories and funding mechanisms that address actual change.  I'm always willing to learn something new.  Are you?
 
2014-03-06 11:44:17 AM  

Ker_Thwap: It's important to differentiate between ineffective feel good stories and funding mechanisms that address actual change. I'm always willing to learn something new. Are you?


Effective enough to get someone a hot full meal instead of a sandwich fruit and milk.  You have an odd definition of ineffective.
 
2014-03-06 11:45:15 AM  

QueenMamaBee: ph0rk: QueenMamaBee: ph0rk: What's the issue with a cold sandwich, exactly?

The issue isn't the sandwich, it's the fact that the kids are being treated differently for circumstances they can't control.

They probably can't control their verbal or math ability, either. Should they all be treated the same there, too?

Because teaching and eating are the exact same thing.


You didn't bother to specify. Not like it will matter, hot lunch or no, the kids with money to burn will blow it on coke and cheetos (and later on, they'll be driving their BMWs to McDonald's), and the free lunch program won't compare.

Presumably to follow this line of reasoning all the way down the rabbit hole, you'd be in favor of school uniforms, too? The de facto function of schools is to separate students. The fact that there is a free lunch program (at all, and that is funded) is great, but don't think for a minute that adding pizza to the program the kids on it are somehow not wearing their poverty on their sleeves. The other kids know, and not much will change that.
 
2014-03-06 11:46:22 AM  

Another Government Employee: Just thought of something.

We at FARK should come up with a proper reward for this young man.

I propose we create and give to him The Mr. Rogers Good Neighbor award.


Your handle fits you.

The kid, while his intentions were good, saw a problem where there actually wasn't one and proceeded to shake down his neighbors to solve this great "injustice" that his bill was overdue. The horror. The horror.  And now should be rewarded for it.
 
2014-03-06 11:48:39 AM  
Fissile:

That's exactly what is happening to the kids at this school.   Kids that can pay: burgers and pizza.  Can't pay: Bowl of gruel.

Gruel for everyone. Problem solved.
 
2014-03-06 11:48:41 AM  

Ker_Thwap: Another Government Employee: At eight years old, that lesson would be lost.

He started as local as you can get. The kids next to him. He made his little area of the world better.

A lot better than you have this morning.

I'm discussing a better way of charitable giving, a more reasoned approach.  Thinking with your head to better the world.  You also underestimate what an 8 year old is capable of learning.  Both of my adult children are involved in charitable fundraising and volunteerism, as am I.  I must have done something right.

It's important to differentiate between ineffective feel good stories and funding mechanisms that address actual change.  I'm always willing to learn something new.  Are you?



The point you are missing here is the idea originated from the eight year old.  And, because how he and his parental units worked it, he got to see the fruits of his efforts directly, rather than as a third party observer.  This lesson IS important at that age, that actions DO have consequences (positive, in this case).  As he grows older and starts thinking: "Well, how did they get here?", then your methods will be more effective.
 
2014-03-06 11:48:45 AM  
Yeah, the guy that made a fat Barbie doll got the hero tag too, doesn't really mean much does it.
 
2014-03-06 11:49:49 AM  

Headso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I'm responsible enough to feed my kids, why shouldn't I be forced to feed strangers kids as well?

You're more than welcome to give more of your to other people's kids. You're not welcome to force me to do the same.

It might make you angry that a child is being fed on your pittance of a contribution to such a program but if you need to look at it in a selfish way children who get good nourishment today will cost you less tomorrow in other ways.

Eh, I doubt it. Many of the kids on the free lunch program at my high school ended up in and out of jail and with kids of their own that they couldn't feed by the time the were 20.

you kept track of which kids in your high school were on the free lunch program? you sound like you'd be a hit at parties.


I didn't "keep track" but I do read local news, and if notice when familiar faces show up in crime stories.

Honestly, I'm not opposed to public school children getting hot, healthy and nutritious lunches. I just think if we're going to pay for it, we should also take some preventative measures to mitigate people who can't afford to feed their kids from having kids.
 
2014-03-06 11:50:25 AM  

ThunderPelvis: Every child in America should get a full, nutritious school lunch, no strings attached.  It takes a pretty massive piece of sh*t to think otherwise, or to think that it's fair to segregate students' nutrition based on their parents' perceived or actual failings.  But...welcome to Fark.  I'm sure that at least one or two massive pieces of sh*t will be offended by my accurate characterization.

No child in the richest nation in the world should EVER go hungry, but the party of Jesus has decided that we just can't afford it, especially when there are tanks and fighter jets to build and rich people's taxes to cut.  Hallelujah.


It's not Jesus. It's STUPID people, aholes, ignorant human beings. The ethereal icon has absolutely no control.
 
2014-03-06 11:52:04 AM  

ThunderPelvis: No child in the richest nation in the world should EVER go hungry, but the party of Jesus has decided that we just can't afford it, especially when there are tanks and fighter jets to build and rich people's taxes to cut. Hallelujah.


Please don't assume that all people who believe in Jesus Christ, act the same way. We don't. Some of us have food pantries at our churches. Some of us help to feed the hungry, no questions asked. Some of us actually follow the Golden Rule.
 
2014-03-06 11:52:33 AM  

strangeluck: But still, very awesome of the kid to do this, hopefully he never loses his desire to help others.


He will once he starts seeing the money taken out of his pay check when he begins to start a family of his own.
 
2014-03-06 11:54:07 AM  

Danger Mouse: Another Government Employee: Just thought of something.

We at FARK should come up with a proper reward for this young man.

I propose we create and give to him The Mr. Rogers Good Neighbor award.

Your handle fits you.

The kid, while his intentions were good, saw a problem where there actually wasn't one and proceeded to shake down his neighbors to solve this great "injustice" that his bill was overdue. The horror. The horror.  And now should be rewarded for it.


Randian Materialist, I presume?

At eight, he ain't going to know the details.  All he knows is Johnny got treated differently than Suzy and asked why.

The fact he asked the question is a what needs to be rewarded.
 
2014-03-06 11:54:55 AM  

TNel: Ker_Thwap: It's important to differentiate between ineffective feel good stories and funding mechanisms that address actual change. I'm always willing to learn something new. Are you?

Effective enough to get someone a hot full meal instead of a sandwich fruit and milk.  You have an odd definition of ineffective.


Depends what your goal is, doesn't it.  I'd rather see my poverty prevention dollars go towards micro loans in third world countries, than to worry about the temperature of an equally nutritious meal.  I'd imagine every single person reading this has a slightly different version of what they think is effective.  No one is forcing you to agree with my opinion.
 
2014-03-06 11:58:35 AM  

Ker_Thwap: I'd rather see my poverty prevention dollars go towards micro loans in third world countries, than to worry about the temperature of an equally nutritious meal. I'd imagine every single person reading this has a slightly different version of what they think is effective. No one is forcing you to agree with my opinion.


Then don't give to the kids cause.  Others saw it as a good cause and gave money, he made a darn decent amount for an elementary student and probably more than his entire PTO raises in a year.

I think it's odd you are basically saying what the kid did was dumb.  You and I can argue over the justness of the cause all we want but he has raised more than probably you and I combined have ever raised for any cause.
 
2014-03-06 11:58:42 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I'm responsible enough to feed my kids, why shouldn't I be forced to feed strangers kids as well?You're more than welcome to give more of your to other people's kids. You're not welcome to force me to do the same


And when one of your kids needs a blood transfusion or an organ from of those strangers kids and they say, "NO. We don't want to help people like you." What will your reaction be then? Remember you reap what you sow. If you reap hatred don't expect to sow love.
 
2014-03-06 11:59:22 AM  

QueenMamaBee: Splish: QueenMamaBee: ph0rk: What's the issue with a cold sandwich, exactly?

The issue isn't the sandwich, it's the fact that the kids are being treated differently for circumstances they can't control.

Who's being treated differently? I think the problem is that they're being treated the same and you think they should be treated differently.

Johnny's mom is broke and can't pay the bill, but he qualifies for free hot lunch. Splendid.

David's mom is scraping by but they don't qualify for the free lunch program. They can't afford the bill this month, so he gets a sandwich. Outrage!

Madison's dad is a millionaire and forgets to pay the bill, so Madison gets a cold sandwich. Outrage? Or "It won't kill her. She's lucky she's getting anything at all. Maybe this will teach them some responsibility"?

Why so blah about Madison? Madison deserves a good lunch even if her dad's forgetful.


Ok, so then every student gets a full, free (to them) lunch, every day, paid for by taxpayers or generous benefactors? Fine. Same for housing and medical care, I assume? "Good" housing and medical care, I mean, not just adequate or sufficient.

But why is a sandwich not a "good lunch"? That's what I got most days, and it never occurred to me that I was deprived or malnourished.
 
2014-03-06 11:59:55 AM  

Another Government Employee: Ker_Thwap: Another Government Employee: At eight years old, that lesson would be lost.


The point you are missing here is the idea originated from the eight year old.  And, because how he and his parental units worked it, he got to see the fruits of his efforts directly, rather than as a third party observer.  This lesson IS important at that age, that actions DO have consequences (positive, in this case).  As he grows older and starts thinking: "Well, how did they get here?", then your methods will be more effective.


This
 
2014-03-06 12:00:24 PM  

allylloyd: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I'm responsible enough to feed my kids, why shouldn't I be forced to feed strangers kids as well?You're more than welcome to give more of your to other people's kids. You're not welcome to force me to do the same

And when one of your kids needs a blood transfusion or an organ from of those strangers kids and they say, "NO. We don't want to help people like you." What will your reaction be then? Remember you reap what you sow. If you reap hatred don't expect to sow love.


Poor people don't donate blood regularly, or organs (unless they die in a moped crash).
 
2014-03-06 12:01:35 PM  
TNel:

Or I paid $80 at the beginning of the month at roughly $2+ a meal that should last the kid about 30 meals so that should last more than a month, only to find out that the kid is spending $5 and is out of money before the end of the month.

So the correct answer to that situation is for your neighbors to donate money to pay your child's bill? 

Yeah I'm saying to purchase TV over food you got it.  If they are poor they are getting either free lunch or reduced lunch and reduced lunch costs like .75 so a month of meals is less than $30 which most people Umcould scrap together.

Then what did you mean when you wrote "I was being a bit sarcastic but I can't fault the parents if they want to spend $50 a month on TV service.  If that makes them feel "normal" and makes the kids happy when they are home then why not?"
 
2014-03-06 12:01:44 PM  
School lunch sucked so bad where I went. I think I just about didn't eat lunch 5-12 grade if I didn't bring it in.
 
2014-03-06 12:03:59 PM  

Another Government Employee: The point you are missing here is the idea originated from the eight year old. And, because how he and his parental units worked it, he got to see the fruits of his efforts directly, rather than as a third party observer. This lesson IS important at that age, that actions DO have consequences (positive, in this case). As he grows older and starts thinking: "Well, how did they get here?", then your methods will be more effective.


I'm not missing that point.  Yes, that is kind of sweet.  I'm just too jaded to be impressed by it.  I've read too many self congratulatory articles about how some kid did something special, only to learn that the parents did all the work, and went running to the press/media/bloggers with it to promote their own social agenda.  Occams razor tells me the parents did most the work, and thus for an adult charity, it kind of sucks.  For a child charity, daww, puppies!
 
2014-03-06 12:04:45 PM  

TNel: Priapetic: And if people are donating their money to pay for meals only because these kids are losing their slips, and the parents aren't responsble enough to think, "You know, I haven't paid the school lunch bill in a while, maybe I ought to check on that and make sure it's Ok", they should be PISSED.

Or I paid $80 at the beginning of the month at roughly $2+ a meal that should last the kid about 30 meals so that should last more than a month, only to find out that the kid is spending $5 and is out of money before the end of the month.

Yeah I'm saying to purchase TV over food you got it.  If they are poor they are getting either free lunch or reduced lunch and reduced lunch costs like .75 so a month of meals is less than $30 which most people could scrap together.

 I'm saying that it's stupid to say "Turn off your TV when you lose your job" when it costs the person more than it would to just continue paying for a month or 2 before they get back on their feet.


If you were to lose your job next month and that would mean you'd have to choose between satellite tv and your children eating, you can't afford satellite tv this month either.
 
2014-03-06 12:04:52 PM  

Fissile: RDixon: When has school lunch ever been free for all?

In the 60s in elementary school it was $1.00 per month for hot lunch.

Kids that didn't pay either brought their own or ate nothing.

In the late 60s to early 70s the free or reduced price lunch was started but only for very low income families.

In high school in the 70s lunch was $1.50 per week and breakfast was free for all.

And the food was just as bad then as it is now in schools.

It's not about the food, it's about shaming small children for being poor.


can we just shame the parents and/or school administrators instead, and just call it a day?

everyone gets a trophy!
 
2014-03-06 12:05:53 PM  

TNel: I think it's odd you are basically saying what the kid did was dumb. You and I can argue over the justness of the cause all we want but he has raised more than probably you and I combined have ever raised for any cause.


Wrong, right, wrong.
 
2014-03-06 12:06:10 PM  

Priapetic: So the correct answer to that situation is for your neighbors to donate money to pay your child's bill?

Then what did you mean when you wrote "I was being a bit sarcastic but I can't fault the parents if they want to spend $50 a month on TV service. If that makes them feel "normal" and makes the kids happy when they are home then why not?"


Correct solution is to have a better system in place for when students accounts get into the negative than handing a 5 year old a small slip of paper in the morning and hoping it doesn't get lost.

You could have read the second paragrah: "Let's say this students parents just lost their job and went on unemployment but they have a contract with DirecTV if they break that contract they have to pay $250 or they keep paying the $50 a month thinking that in 5 months they should have a job so it would be stupid to break contract and be out $250 all at one time (which they don't have so it goes straight to a collection agency screwing their credit for 6 years). "
 
2014-03-06 12:07:49 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Poor people don't donate blood regularly, or organs (unless they die in a moped crash).


Really and  you know this how? Because you talk to poor people? Do you actually know any? I do and I speak to them about it all the time. The things is MOST PEOPLE don't know what it is. And they do donate blood because they are paid to donate it. It's a way to make money.

//Don't agree with the paid blood donation.
//If people had easier ways to get ID cards, they would know that they can sign up as an organ donor very easily. I suggest everyone do it. If your organs don't go to someone, they will be used for research.
 
2014-03-06 12:11:15 PM  

Rindred: As a public employee with a pension plan, I'm really looking forward to my golden retirement check for $1200/month. I'm gonna be rich, I tell you!

(State government blue collar workers get paid shiat - don't believe what right-wing media yelps about)


The problem isn't retirement pay per se, it's that (a) it should be saved to a separate account for each employee while that employee is actively working; and (b) there are ways for some people to game the system to get far more retirement income than their work history justified (setting up overtime so their max yearly income is disproportionately high,as mentioned by someone else.)

Everyone should have a retirement account, of which a certain amount is locked into lifecycle funds (you wouldn't go bust from the 2008 crash, because you would recover during the recovery) and is pretty much untouchable. The current government should have pretty much nothing to do with current retirees and their retirement, including not having to make up for underfunded pension funds from previous adminstrations.
 
2014-03-06 12:13:47 PM  

ph0rk: QueenMamaBee: ph0rk: QueenMamaBee: ph0rk: What's the issue with a cold sandwich, exactly?

The issue isn't the sandwich, it's the fact that the kids are being treated differently for circumstances they can't control.

They probably can't control their verbal or math ability, either. Should they all be treated the same there, too?

Because teaching and eating are the exact same thing.

You didn't bother to specify. Not like it will matter, hot lunch or no, the kids with money to burn will blow it on coke and cheetos (and later on, they'll be driving their BMWs to McDonald's), and the free lunch program won't compare.

Presumably to follow this line of reasoning all the way down the rabbit hole, you'd be in favor of school uniforms, too? The de facto function of schools is to separate students. The fact that there is a free lunch program (at all, and that is funded) is great, but don't think for a minute that adding pizza to the program the kids on it are somehow not wearing their poverty on their sleeves. The other kids know, and not much will change that.


Wow. You drew a LOT of (inaccurate) conclusions about my beliefs, there, Skippy. Nice going.
 
2014-03-06 12:16:47 PM  

Fissile: SuperChuck: What's wrong with a sandwich?

Nothing, whats wrong is humiliating small children because their parents can't afford to feed them.  When these kids grow, some of them are going to realize what a raw deal they got.  Remember that a few years from now, when they're getting ready to parade your head around on the end of a pike.


I ate cold sandwiches brought from home for years in grade and high school. If I didn't bring money, or lunch, it damn sure wasn't provided nor was anyone telling me that it should have been provided. And you know what? I never felt humiliated and am currently a well adjusted and productive adult. I also don't have the entitlement complex that a lot of young adults have these days. I don't expect to get what I don't earn and neither did my parents. But somewhere in the past decade in this country that became a bad line of thought.

As FTFA, the kid did a damned good thing. He identified a problem and came up with a solution on a large scale which is incredible for a kid that age.
 
2014-03-06 12:19:08 PM  

Splish: QueenMamaBee: Splish: QueenMamaBee: ph0rk: What's the issue with a cold sandwich, exactly?

The issue isn't the sandwich, it's the fact that the kids are being treated differently for circumstances they can't control.

Who's being treated differently? I think the problem is that they're being treated the same and you think they should be treated differently.

Johnny's mom is broke and can't pay the bill, but he qualifies for free hot lunch. Splendid.

David's mom is scraping by but they don't qualify for the free lunch program. They can't afford the bill this month, so he gets a sandwich. Outrage!

Madison's dad is a millionaire and forgets to pay the bill, so Madison gets a cold sandwich. Outrage? Or "It won't kill her. She's lucky she's getting anything at all. Maybe this will teach them some responsibility"?

Why so blah about Madison? Madison deserves a good lunch even if her dad's forgetful.

Ok, so then every student gets a full, free (to them) lunch, every day, paid for by taxpayers or generous benefactors? Fine. Same for housing and medical care, I assume? "Good" housing and medical care, I mean, not just adequate or sufficient.

But why is a sandwich not a "good lunch"? That's what I got most days, and it never occurred to me that I was deprived or malnourished.


My son and his classmates DO get free (to them) lunch every day paid for by taxpayers. Every single one in the school, regardless of ability to pay. I would not qualify for him to get free lunch, but the school took the community option due to the amount of poor families in the district.

And why jump to all of those other options? Can we not JUST keep the discussion on the lunch? Or do y'all just enjoy going off on your baseless assumptions and ignorant rants?
 
2014-03-06 12:19:12 PM  

Ker_Thwap: I'm just too jaded to be impressed by it. I've read too many self congratulatory articles about how some kid did something special, only to learn that the parents did all the work, and went running to the press/media/bloggers with it to promote their own social agenda. Occams razor tells me the parents did most the work, and thus for an adult charity, it kind of sucks. For a child charity, daww, puppies!


I'm sure the parents did a lot of the work but if the kid started out wanting to do it whats wrong with getting help from someone that has the resources to help?  I mean even Romney said to just ask your parents for help.

Splish: If you were to lose your job next month and that would mean you'd have to choose between satellite tv and your children eating, you can't afford satellite tv this month either.


Yeah because that's exactly what happens.  Like I said up above they would get free lunches anyway.  I get pissed at the stigma that people put on poor people.  "Oh that person is on welfare but they have TV in their house, they could drop the TV"  Replace TV with Internet or any other "luxury" item you want.  Poor people need an escape from their shiatty life also.   People that have money just have it a lot easier and have the ability to look down on those that have less.
 
2014-03-06 12:22:24 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: allylloyd: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If I'm responsible enough to feed my kids, why shouldn't I be forced to feed strangers kids as well?You're more than welcome to give more of your to other people's kids. You're not welcome to force me to do the same

And when one of your kids needs a blood transfusion or an organ from of those strangers kids and they say, "NO. We don't want to help people like you." What will your reaction be then? Remember you reap what you sow. If you reap hatred don't expect to sow love.

Poor people don't donate blood regularly, or organs (unless they die in a moped crash).


Excuse me? Far from rich.... I donate blood regularly, as do most of my coworkers (Blood drive downstairs every month for the community and those of us who work here).
 
2014-03-06 12:24:14 PM  

ThunderPelvis: Every child in America should get a full, nutritious school lunch, no strings attached.  It takes a pretty massive piece of sh*t to think otherwise, or to think that it's fair to segregate students' nutrition based on their parents' perceived or actual failings.  But...welcome to Fark.  I'm sure that at least one or two massive pieces of sh*t will be offended by my accurate characterization.

No child in the richest nation in the world should EVER go hungry, but the party of Jesus has decided that we just can't afford it, especially when there are tanks and fighter jets to build and rich people's taxes to cut.  Hallelujah.


3/10
 
2014-03-06 12:24:48 PM  
Mr. Breeze:

As FTFA, the kid did a damned good thing. He identified a problem and came up with a solution on a large scale which is incredible for a kid that age.

What was the problem?
 
2014-03-06 12:25:00 PM  

QueenMamaBee: Excuse me? Far from rich.... I donate blood regularly, as do most of my coworkers (Blood drive downstairs every month for the community and those of us who work here).


Yeah that was a horrible line, I grew up poor and I gave blood a lot.  O positive so it was always needed.  Another person thinking poor people are the leeches of society.
 
2014-03-06 12:26:05 PM  
As someone from Lansing that benefited from the free (then later on, reduced) lunch program, I say, good on this kid. It sucks having to eat a cold meal in the winter, and I'm sure there is an element of shaming/teasing going on (ha ha, Timmy has to eat the gross sandwich!). Keep in mind the "sandwich, fruit and milk" is probably turkey with some sort of cheese product slice, and a bruised apple the size of a plum. It's not terrible, but it's not great, either.
I remember being in 5th grade before I realized that no everyone got a lunch card at the beginning of the week (since most of the kids in my class did). The system does seem improved, however, because if I didn't pay the reduced fare (in high school) on Monday morning, then I didn't eat for the week. It was our responsibility to pay in advance, but we needed to pay every week. Maybe because at high school level they think you're responsible enough to do this, although given the $5 on monday could just mean I bought McDonalds for two days and coasted the other 3.
 
2014-03-06 12:26:05 PM  

allylloyd: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Poor people don't donate blood regularly, or organs (unless they die in a moped crash).

Really and  you know this how? Because you talk to poor people? Do you actually know any? I do and I speak to them about it all the time. The things is MOST PEOPLE don't know what it is. And they do donate blood because they are paid to donate it. It's a way to make money.

//Don't agree with the paid blood donation.
//If people had easier ways to get ID cards, they would know that they can sign up as an organ donor very easily. I suggest everyone do it. If your organs don't go to someone, they will be used for research.


You could argue that if you're being paid for it it's not really a donation, but maybe that's getting into semantics. But the fact is that most poor people don't donate blood. Most rich people don't either. Very few people donate blood on any sort of a regular basis. Statistically, the people who donate blood are on average white, college educated, married, and above average income. It's basically the same demographic of people who breastfeed their children, except more male.
 
2014-03-06 12:32:19 PM  
 
2014-03-06 12:33:53 PM  

poodebunker: ThunderPelvis: Every child in America should get a full, nutritious school lunch, no strings attached.  It takes a pretty massive piece of sh*t to think otherwise, or to think that it's fair to segregate students' nutrition based on their parents' perceived or actual failings.  But...welcome to Fark.  I'm sure that at least one or two massive pieces of sh*t will be offended by my accurate characterization.

No child in the richest nation in the world should EVER go hungry, but the party of Jesus has decided that we just can't afford it, especially when there are tanks and fighter jets to build and rich people's taxes to cut.  Hallelujah.

It's not Jesus. It's STUPID people, aholes, ignorant human beings. The ethereal icon has absolutely no control.


If Jesus were alive today, he'd be a Farker.  And he would nuke 99% of those Pharisees from orbit.
 
2014-03-06 12:34:15 PM  

Another Government Employee: Ker_Thwap: So, the kids parents help him set up a fundraiser to prove a political point, or at the least brought it to the attention of various bloggers and the media?  I'm unimpressed.

They're not feeding the poor, they're feeding the kids who have lazy/idiot parents who occasionally forget to send in the lunch money on time.

/My ex wife would very often "forget" to send in the lunch money, knowing that I'd cover it.  I hate scumbag parents.

Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning?

1) Kid saw a problem.
2) Kid asked: "What can I do?"
3) Parents (who might have been shocked the moral lesson actually sunk in), went: "Well, let's see."
4) Everybody is happier.

Good on ya, kid.  And whoever taught you to look out for your fellow kid.



An interesting piece is step 3.5, someone (it appears to maybe be kid's mom) has taken the time to post a thank you to every donation received.

The parents definitely deserve a round or two of drinks furnished for their work here.
 
2014-03-06 12:36:43 PM  

Disaster Transport: I remember being in 5th grade before I realized that no everyone got a lunch card at the beginning of the week (since most of the kids in my class did). The system does seem improved, however, because if I didn't pay the reduced fare (in high school) on Monday morning, then I didn't eat for the week. It was our responsibility to pay in advance, but we needed to pay every week. Maybe because at high school level they think you're responsible enough to do this, although given the $5 on monday could just mean I bought McDonalds for two days and coasted the other 3.


We were giving big green tokens so it was very easy to see who got free lunches and who paid so yeah the kids weren't always the nicest people.

Splish: But the fact is that most poor people don't donate blood. Most rich people don't either. Very few people donate blood on any sort of a regular basis. Statistically, the people who donate blood are on average white, college educated, married, and above average income. It's basically the same demographic of people who breastfeed their children, except more male.


You have stats to back that up right or are you talking out your ass?  I mean you did say "Statistically" so that means you can show proof of your work because I searched really hard and found no data and everytime that I go to donate they have never asked me for my income level.
 
2014-03-06 12:38:50 PM  
"Lansing, once the lunch box capital of the world has seen a rise in poverty since the school lunch program started. Many of the families receiving free lunches and are largely dependent of government aid, were once gainfully employed in one of the 6 lunchbox factories that supported much of Lansing's economy.  The free school lunch devastated the lunch box industry...."


The more you know.

http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13261422
 
2014-03-06 12:41:30 PM  

strobis48z4: 3.50


This is what they charge for school lunches in the Springfield District 19 schools:

STUDENT PRICE:
Elementary School - $2.25
Middle School - $2.45
High School - $2.70
ADULT PRICE:
Any adult - $3.25

Eugene 4J School District charges the students more.

Elementary School Lunch- $2.75
Middle School Lunch - $3.00
High School Lunch - $3.25
Any adult lunch - $4.00
 
2014-03-06 12:42:21 PM  
Supply-Side Jesus does not approve.
 
2014-03-06 12:43:20 PM  

TNel: Ker_Thwap: I'm just too jaded to be impressed by it. I've read too many self congratulatory articles about how some kid did something special, only to learn that the parents did all the work, and went running to the press/media/bloggers with it to promote their own social agenda. Occams razor tells me the parents did most the work, and thus for an adult charity, it kind of sucks. For a child charity, daww, puppies!

I'm sure the parents did a lot of the work but if the kid started out wanting to do it whats wrong with getting help from someone that has the resources to help? I mean even Romney said to just ask your parents for help.


Nothing wrong with that at all.  I just assume I'm talking with adults on these forums, not to the kid directly. Thus my advice. If you ever want to help your kid with this kind of thing, is to encourage smart efficient charitable habits, rather than feel good throwing money at something and then being surprised later that money had zero long term effect on the problem.
 
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