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(WTKR)   Virginia Dept. of Transportation: We'll still keep plowing the roads despite being $100 million over budget. Paving those roads in the spring, not so much   (wtkr.com) divider line 89
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2014-03-06 08:26:03 AM  
Considering they usually call their hired trucks in to sit on standby (with pay) about 8 to 12 hours before a storm is due to begin, I have no sympathy for their lack of budget.
 
2014-03-06 08:50:39 AM  
You know who else plowed the road?

2.bp.blogspot.com

President Thomas J. Whitmore, that's who.
 
2014-03-06 08:51:42 AM  
I had a blowout from a pothole in Alexandria last night so I'm not getting a kick...
 
2014-03-06 10:02:30 AM  
www.funnywallphotos.com
 
2014-03-06 10:04:44 AM  
I'm sure they can make up the deficit by suspending all road work north of the Rappahannock. But leave the barrels up, just in case.
 
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2014-03-06 10:05:08 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Considering they usually call their hired trucks in to sit on standby (with pay) about 8 to 12 hours before a storm is due to begin, I have no sympathy for their lack of budget.


Seriously? That's essentially a paid day for free. Methinks some contractor has low friends in high places.
 
2014-03-06 10:07:41 AM  
Considering how mild the past few winters have been, you'd think they'd have money saved up from then that they could use.
 
2014-03-06 10:08:03 AM  
How the golly gee heck do you go a tenth of a billion dollars over the budget for snow plows, road salt, staff and asphalt for one state?  Is anybody in government not on the take?
 
2014-03-06 10:08:03 AM  
So is your solution not plowing the roads, or an infinite supply of public money?
 
2014-03-06 10:09:07 AM  
Already hearing this same bullshiat in Jersey.  "We're over budget, were going to have to cut back or raise your taxes."\

Past two winters were very mild, most DPWs ended the last two years with surpluses.  What happened to those surpluses?
 
2014-03-06 10:10:08 AM  

bunner: How the golly gee heck do you go a tenth of a billion dollars over the budget for snow plows, road salt, staff and asphalt for one state?  Is anybody in government not on the take?


How do you not with a winter like this one?
 
2014-03-06 10:11:11 AM  

doyner: I had a blowout from a pothole in Alexandria last night so I'm not getting a kick...


By any Chance, was that on Edsall Road? I recently had my alignment totally messed up on a pot hold just before the intersection of Edsall Rd and S Van Dorn St. I am lucky I did not bend a farking rim.
 
2014-03-06 10:11:22 AM  
How's this even a Story???!?

They have 1800 Million budgeted for maintenance. Out of that they set aside each year 157 Million for snow removal at the beginning of the year (probably fiscal October-September ). They have spent $257+ Million on snow removal this year because there has been a lot of snow.

That's like the school budgetting 5 snow days and using 10, and we write an article, OMG the kids will stay in school for ANOTHER WEEK!.
 
2014-03-06 10:12:42 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Considering they usually call their hired trucks in to sit on standby (with pay) about 8 to 12 hours before a storm is due to begin, I have no sympathy for their lack of budget.


THIS x a billion!

I have a view of 66 and they sit at the side of it for 6 hours before the first flake of snow even falls.
 
2014-03-06 10:13:25 AM  

Fissile: What happened to those surpluses?


Many state funds are on a use-it-or-lose-it basis.  If they don't use the funds for the winter, they have to find another way to spend it.  Sometimes they can roll that over into summer paving and maintenance budgets, but they generally have to use that allotted money somehow.
 
2014-03-06 10:13:29 AM  
Roads don't need to be plowed. If you live in the snow belt and don't have 4x4 you deserve to be stranded.
 
2014-03-06 10:14:01 AM  

lisse24: Considering how mild the past few winters have been, you'd think they'd have money saved up from then that they could use.


^^THIS^^

Where is the money left over from not needing to plow 7 out of the last 10 years.
 
2014-03-06 10:14:48 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Considering they usually call their hired trucks in to sit on standby (with pay)


Kind of hard to get them to sit on standby without pay.  Just sayin'
 
2014-03-06 10:14:55 AM  

HeadLever: Fissile: What happened to those surpluses?

Many state funds are on a use-it-or-lose-it basis.  If they don't use the funds for the winter, they have to find another way to spend it.  Sometimes they can roll that over into summer paving and maintenance budgets, but they generally have to use that allotted money somehow.


Why not put it into a "rainy day fund"?
 
2014-03-06 10:15:46 AM  

Walker: FirstNationalBastard: Considering they usually call their hired trucks in to sit on standby (with pay) about 8 to 12 hours before a storm is due to begin, I have no sympathy for their lack of budget.

THIS x a billion!

I have a view of 66 and they sit at the side of it for 6 hours before the first flake of snow even falls.


And even with the trucks already out there, they STILL let the roads become impassable before doing anything to them.
 
2014-03-06 10:15:59 AM  

bunner: How the golly gee heck do you go a tenth of a billion dollars over the budget for snow plows, road salt, staff and asphalt for one state?  Is anybody in government not on the take?


Normally they have a relatively mild winter with one or two snow events and relatively few frost / ice events.

This winter they have had at least twice as many snow events as usual and a lot more freezing days where frost or ice would be an issue - it's not surprising they went ~60% over budget.
 
2014-03-06 10:17:03 AM  

HeadLever: FirstNationalBastard: Considering they usually call their hired trucks in to sit on standby (with pay)

Kind of hard to get them to sit on standby without pay.  Just sayin'


I know, Redundant statement is redundant.
 
2014-03-06 10:17:09 AM  
How's that fake global warming working out for you, VA?
 
2014-03-06 10:17:12 AM  

duffblue: Roads don't need to be plowed. If you live in the snow belt and don't have 4x4 you deserve to be stranded.


Most ambulances, cop vehicles, fire trucks and other essential service vehicles are not 4x4.

TMYK.
 
2014-03-06 10:19:06 AM  

FoxEWolf: doyner: I had a blowout from a pothole in Alexandria last night so I'm not getting a kick...

By any Chance, was that on Edsall Road? I recently had my alignment totally messed up on a pot hold just before the intersection of Edsall Rd and S Van Dorn St. I am lucky I did not bend a farking rim.


No, it was on king street under the bridge at the Metro station.  As I was changing my tire another car got a blowout and pulled off on King right in front of me.  That sucker is DEEP.
 
2014-03-06 10:19:13 AM  

Fissile: Why not put it into a "rainy day fund"?


Mostly because those 'rainy day funds' are the first to be raided by someone other than your department.
 
2014-03-06 10:19:15 AM  
wait, they consider the roads in Virginia as having been plowed?  Um, no.  It would be nice if they plowed Virginia.
 
2014-03-06 10:19:38 AM  

nitefallz: How's that fake global warming working out for you, VA?


Thanks for playing.

Globe had fourth warmest January on record
 
2014-03-06 10:20:16 AM  
FTFA:

"Officials say this won't have any impact on essential services like pothole patching or repaving. However, they are considering a number of options to help offset the extra snow cost.


Limiting the use of some service contracts, which would no include snow removal or pothole patching"

Is this just bad grammar or are they saying they're going to be able to have money to patch potholes by saving money by not patching potholes? Dafuq?
 
2014-03-06 10:20:32 AM  

bunner: How the golly gee heck do you go a tenth of a billion dollars over the budget for snow plows, road salt, staff and asphalt for one state?  Is anybody in government not on the take?


Crap ton's of OT
 
2014-03-06 10:20:41 AM  

duffblue: Roads don't need to be plowed. If you live in the snow belt and don't have 4x4 you deserve to be stranded.


I wish I could find a picture I took a few years ago taken from my front wheel drive reasonably low to the ground coupe.  It was in a partially plowed parking lot.  Cars were moving slowly, but moving.

There was a pickup with a lift job and oversized tires stuck in the snow.  I assume it was 4WD.  The driver was outside madly shoveling snow out from around his tires.

4WD may help you in the snow, but it certainly can't make up for stupidity and arrogance that makes some people think they can go anywhere.
 
2014-03-06 10:21:41 AM  
The average 4X4 can't handle more than 7-8 inches of snow.  Last year parts of Texas that normally don't get any snow got something like 12 inches.  The local rednecks thought their 4X4s could handle it.  Guess what?
 
2014-03-06 10:22:11 AM  

Fissile: Why not put it into a "rainy day fund"?


Or "snowy day fund"?

In part because doing so makes it harder to balance a budget in the short-term; and there's often fights about what constitutes a crisis sufficient for raiding that fund.
 
2014-03-06 10:22:44 AM  
Plowing Trifecta in play???


/ Goin' to Brown University
 
2014-03-06 10:23:12 AM  

Pick13: lisse24: Considering how mild the past few winters have been, you'd think they'd have money saved up from then that they could use.

^^THIS^^

Where is the money left over from not needing to plow 7 out of the last 10 years.


Th,ere's no such thing as left over money in a bureaucracy.  It goes up somebody's ass a few G at a time and gets "re-budgeted".
 
2014-03-06 10:23:35 AM  

duffblue: Roads don't need to be plowed. If you live in the snow belt and don't have 4x4 you deserve to be stranded.


so you're saying everyone should have a high ground clearance truck or suv regardless of what their budget or transportation needs are? is Obama going to buy me one and pay for the extra parking I'd need?

My every-day car is awd, and has 5.7" of ground clearance. so in 10 inches of snow, it does me no good until the plows come through.
also, virginia is hardly "in the snow belt"
 
2014-03-06 10:25:13 AM  
VDOT is grossly mismanaged, closing roads, tunnels and bridges for repair in a manner that would make a New Jersey politician jealous.
 
2014-03-06 10:26:01 AM  

gfid: There was a pickup with a lift job and oversized tires stuck in the snow.  I assume it was 4WD.  The driver was outside madly shoveling snow out from around his tires.


For good snowtires, you want the 'pizza cutter' tires.  Fat, mud-bogging tires might as wall be 4 toboggans in snow.
 
2014-03-06 10:26:27 AM  

Pick13: lisse24: Considering how mild the past few winters have been, you'd think they'd have money saved up from then that they could use.

^^THIS^^

Where is the money left over from not needing to plow 7 out of the last 10 years.



Usually the department makes sure to spend it because if they have surplus then the next fiscal year that surplus will be removed. Departments usually aren't allowed to just sit on tax money.
 
2014-03-06 10:27:50 AM  
This sounds like the kind of hollow threat most state agencies use when angling the state legislature for more money.

"If we don't get more money, all you constituents will be inconvenienced. We're making this public conjecture so they will get upset and contact you. Give is more money."

/works every damn time
 
2014-03-06 10:30:38 AM  
In Socialist State of Wirginia, roads plow YOU!
 
2014-03-06 10:30:57 AM  

wambu: This sounds like the kind of hollow threat most state agencies use when angling the state legislature for more money.


This is not hollow in the least.  They have exhausted their funds for this service.  The question is what do they do next. Do they raise more money or steal from Peter to pay Paul?

Roads don't get plowed with good intentions.
 
2014-03-06 10:32:26 AM  

HeadLever: Roads don't get plowed with good intentions.


The Road to Hell is plowed with good intentions.
 
2014-03-06 10:33:08 AM  

nitefallz: How's that fake global warming working out for you, VA?


The only thing more annoying than the 12 inches of snow was having a ~70°F high the week before.
 
2014-03-06 10:33:17 AM  

Wellon Dowd: nitefallz: How's that fake global warming working out for you, VA?

Thanks for playing.

Globe had fourth warmest January on record



You just backed up what I said, that global warming exists and is having an impact that no one wants to admit.  What are you trying to prove?
 
2014-03-06 10:33:26 AM  
So they're $65,000,000,000 in debt and all of a sudden the budget means something?

* click *

Officials say this won't have any impact on essential services like pothole patching or repaving

VDOT also says their $1.4 billion construction budget will not be impacted.


image.spreadshirt.com
 
2014-03-06 10:33:55 AM  
I saw on the news over the weekend DC is going to have a war on potholes that will start in a few weeks. I remember years ago when DC was in a huge budget crisis and the potholes were so big people threw a queen mattress in one to fill it since there was no money in the budget.
 
2014-03-06 10:34:00 AM  

Wellon Dowd: HeadLever: Roads don't get plowed with good intentions.

The Road to Hell is plowed with good intentions.


I'm going to hell for who I've plowed with good intentions.
 
2014-03-06 10:34:10 AM  

Wellon Dowd: HeadLever: Roads don't get plowed with good intentions.

The Road to Hell is plowed with good intentions.


well, that covers everything inside the beltway... what about the rest of the state?
 
2014-03-06 10:34:55 AM  

nitefallz: Wellon Dowd: nitefallz: How's that fake global warming working out for you, VA?

Thanks for playing.

Globe had fourth warmest January on record


You just backed up what I said, that global warming exists and is having an impact that no one wants to admit.  What are you trying to prove?


Sorry. I'm so used to idiots saying "Itz snowing!!! No glbal warming!!!" that I failed to properly process your post.
 
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