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2014-03-06 09:14:47 AM  
Praise the Sun!
 
2014-03-06 10:11:06 AM  
Now he just has to get Wieters to reveal the secret of being the team's savior.
 
2014-03-06 10:20:45 AM  
That also explains the smell.
 
2014-03-06 10:23:59 AM  
Thought this was going to be a "Ray Rice exonerated" article.
 
2014-03-06 10:37:09 AM  
Is that why it smells like crack smoke?

- Sorry, everything I know about Baltimore I learned from The Wire.
 
2014-03-06 10:49:05 AM  
Ready to make a solid run at 3rd place
 
2014-03-06 10:58:29 AM  
Sorry, Smitty - baseball is at best Baltimorons' third-favorite sport, behind football and trolling Browns fans.
 
2014-03-06 11:17:07 AM  

robertus: Thought this was going to be a "Ray Rice exonerated" article.


me too!
 
2014-03-06 11:30:50 AM  
Great! If he's back by opening day the Birds can get another full year out of him before he's a Yankee or Red Sox.

Along with Weiters and Davis.

I don't know why O's fans are getting excited. They've gotten just better enough to still not be good enough in the AL East. And they won't be good enough as long as Angelos owns the team.

/what is the singular of Sox?
 
2014-03-06 11:34:10 AM  

The Smails Kid: Sorry, Smitty - baseball is at best Baltimorons' third-favorite sport, behind football and trolling Browns fans.


Not from the amount of orange I've seen around town recently. I'd say the O's have a larger fan base than the Ravens so I would put baseball second behind trolling Browns fans.
 
2014-03-06 11:39:14 AM  

Deneb81: Great! If he's back by opening day the Birds can get another full year out of him before he's a Yankee or Red Sox.

Along with Weiters and Davis.

I don't know why O's fans are getting excited. They've gotten just better enough to still not be good enough in the AL East. And they won't be good enough as long as Angelos owns the team.

/what is the singular of Sox?


I don't know.  Duquette gave Manny Ramirez his big Red Sox contract (and Jose Offerman, but I digress), and Angelos has shown flashes of being willing to spend cash.  I think the O's will be keeping that core together, unless you think Machado doesn't care about the money as much as he'd like to get out of Baltimore.

/"a Yankee or a Red Sox" is commonly used in our local papers, but I find it's easier to say "he'll be a member of the Yankees or Red Sox"
 
2014-03-06 11:44:29 AM  

CipollinaFan: The Smails Kid: Sorry, Smitty - baseball is at best Baltimorons' third-favorite sport, behind football and trolling Browns fans.

Not from the amount of orange I've seen around town recently. I'd say the O's have a larger fan base than the Ravens so I would put baseball second behind trolling Browns fans.


Baltimore is a baseball town, without a professional baseball team. If the team is as good as someone people are saying, you'll see the fans.
 
2014-03-06 11:45:24 AM  

CipollinaFan: The Smails Kid: Sorry, Smitty - baseball is at best Baltimorons' third-favorite sport, behind football and trolling Browns fans.

Not from the amount of orange I've seen around town recently. I'd say the O's have a larger fan base than the Ravens so I would put baseball second behind trolling Browns fans.


It's just that time of year. When football season starts, the purple will show back up. If the O's have tanked the season by then, it will be sooner then later into the football season.
 
2014-03-06 12:05:24 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: Deneb81: Great! If he's back by opening day the Birds can get another full year out of him before he's a Yankee or Red Sox.

Along with Weiters and Davis.

I don't know why O's fans are getting excited. They've gotten just better enough to still not be good enough in the AL East. And they won't be good enough as long as Angelos owns the team.

/what is the singular of Sox?

I don't know.  Duquette gave Manny Ramirez his big Red Sox contract (and Jose Offerman, but I digress), and Angelos has shown flashes of being willing to spend cash.  I think the O's will be keeping that core together, unless you think Machado doesn't care about the money as much as he'd like to get out of Baltimore.

/"a Yankee or a Red Sox" is commonly used in our local papers, but I find it's easier to say "he'll be a member of the Yankees or Red Sox"


Angelos has not shown the willingness to pay what it would take to keep a stable of players of that caliber. Certainly not recently.

The Orioles are a farm team to bigger money franchises.
 
2014-03-06 12:06:49 PM  
Did he pass the physical?

I assume a real life sized version of the game pitfall
 
2014-03-06 12:07:27 PM  
Thank God. That mole was serious.
 
2014-03-06 12:10:56 PM  

The Smails Kid: Sorry, Smitty - baseball is at best Baltimorons' third-favorite sport, behind football and trolling Browns fans.


I don't know about that.  The Orioles footprint extends much further south than the Ravens.  The lack of attendance is a really an indication of how long they've been so bad.

If you look at the entire Mid-atlantic region:

Ravens/Orioles -- very common (Baltimoreans)
Redskins/Nats -- very common (Washingtonians)
Redskins/Orioles -- fairly common (esp amongst people like me born in the late 70s or early 80s whose formative years happened post Colts/Senators but prior to the Ravens/Nationals)
Ravens/Nationals - almost zero; I say 'almost' only because my dad is one of these people and he only does it to be contrarian
 
2014-03-06 12:27:22 PM  
"The Orioles are a farm team to bigger money franchises"

Except that's not true at all.  Name me one free agent the orioles have lost over the last 5 years that they have tried to retain.  Although it's taken longer than desired the Orioles have been rebuilding and finally have a very good core of players.  They needed to add a few pieces in the offseason to make them a championship contender, and they actually did it.   Mainly a number one, which they have a case for with Jiminez, a power left fielder and a DH.  They will be platooning left field with David Lough and Nelson Cruz, and splitting DH with Cruz and Delmon Young.

They have a lot of guys that are competing in the relief position with at least two guys that could be legitimate closers.  For the first time in over a decade if the Orioles don't go to the playoffs this year it will be a disappointing year.
 
2014-03-06 12:35:31 PM  

louieloco: "The Orioles are a farm team to bigger money franchises"

Except that's not true at all.  Name me one free agent the orioles have lost over the last 5 years that they have tried to retain.  Although it's taken longer than desired the Orioles have been rebuilding and finally have a very good core of players.  They needed to add a few pieces in the offseason to make them a championship contender, and they actually did it.   Mainly a number one, which they have a case for with Jiminez, a power left fielder and a DH.  They will be platooning left field with David Lough and Nelson Cruz, and splitting DH with Cruz and Delmon Young.

They have a lot of guys that are competing in the relief position with at least two guys that could be legitimate closers.  For the first time in over a decade if the Orioles don't go to the playoffs this year it will be a disappointing year.


How many moderate to decent players were traded just before their first big contract, to be replaced with almost nothing?

They got what they could out of players on the cheap then moved on before paying market price. They went the Redskins route of buying a name on the downside of their career to sell tickets.
 
2014-03-06 12:57:46 PM  

Deneb81: How many moderate to decent players were traded just before their first big contract, to be replaced with almost nothing?


Seriously, who are these players you're referencing? Aubrey Huff is the only one I can think of that's had reasonable success after getting traded from the O's, in the recent past.

Koji Uehara? Maybe, but the O's also got Chris Davis in that deal.
Erik Bedard ended up being terrible with the M's, and the O's brought home Adam Jones in that deal.
Jeremy Guthrie was terrible with the Rockies and has been average with the Royals.

Even that last major FA I can remember leaving was Mike Mussina.
 
2014-03-06 01:00:23 PM  

Deneb81: How many moderate to decent players were traded just before their first big contract, to be replaced with almost nothing?

They got what they could out of players on the cheap then moved on before paying market price. They went the Redskins route of buying a name on the downside of their career to sell tickets.


Absolutely correct.

Angelos doesn't need to win to make money, so, why spend money to win?

CipollinaFan: Not from the amount of orange I've seen around town recently. I'd say the O's have a larger fan base than the Ravens so I would put baseball second behind trolling Browns fans.


I'm from Baltimore, live in SF now, and I wear Orioles hats a lot. I own one piece of Ravens gear and I don't wear it out of the house. However, I can't remember the last time I watched an O's game on TV -- though I did go twice when they played the Giants in SF last year. Yet I haven't missed a minute of Ravens football since, well, '94, probably.

The reasons for that are...O's stuff looks good, the colors are cool, the logos are nice, and the new on-field hat with the old bird on a white background is dope. Ravens gear, however, looks like shiat. Nobody looks good in purple. And yes, there's a lot more "civic pride" wrapped up in O's gear than there is in Ravens gear. The Ravens actually win, which is awesome, but they honestly just aren't part of the city's DNA yet, not like a 60 year old baseball team is.
 
2014-03-06 01:12:03 PM  

balki1867: Seriously, who are these players you're referencing? Aubrey Huff is the only one I can think of that's had reasonable success after getting traded from the O's, in the recent past.


Even though you double qualified that with "reasonable" and "recent," the point isn't whether they were successful or not, the point is Angelos doesn't pay his starters to stay on the team, and their replacements aren't better. For example: Brian Roberts. Started for a decade, was the face of the franchise, and he walks...to NYY.
 
2014-03-06 01:12:06 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Deneb81: How many moderate to decent players were traded just before their first big contract, to be replaced with almost nothing?

They got what they could out of players on the cheap then moved on before paying market price. They went the Redskins route of buying a name on the downside of their career to sell tickets.

Absolutely correct.

Angelos doesn't need to win to make money, so, why spend money to win?

CipollinaFan: Not from the amount of orange I've seen around town recently. I'd say the O's have a larger fan base than the Ravens so I would put baseball second behind trolling Browns fans.

I'm from Baltimore, live in SF now, and I wear Orioles hats a lot. I own one piece of Ravens gear and I don't wear it out of the house. However, I can't remember the last time I watched an O's game on TV -- though I did go twice when they played the Giants in SF last year. Yet I haven't missed a minute of Ravens football since, well, '94, probably.

The reasons for that are...O's stuff looks good, the colors are cool, the logos are nice, and the new on-field hat with the old bird on a white background is dope. Ravens gear, however, looks like shiat. Nobody looks good in purple. And yes, there's a lot more "civic pride" wrapped up in O's gear than there is in Ravens gear. The Ravens actually win, which is awesome, but they honestly just aren't part of the city's DNA yet, not like a 60 year old baseball team is.


I see people regularly wearing Ravens or Os gear around my neck of the woods in MD. Oh and the team moved here in '96..
 
2014-03-06 01:16:54 PM  

Scrotastic Method: balki1867: Seriously, who are these players you're referencing? Aubrey Huff is the only one I can think of that's had reasonable success after getting traded from the O's, in the recent past.

Even though you double qualified that with "reasonable" and "recent," the point isn't whether they were successful or not, the point is Angelos doesn't pay his starters to stay on the team, and their replacements aren't better. For example: Brian Roberts. Started for a decade, was the face of the franchise, and he walks...to NYY.


You know why they let Roberts walk?

Games played
2010 - 59
2011 - 39
2012 - 17
2013 - 77

I loved having him on the team, he just became too injury prone. I'll be surprised if he makes it through a full season with the Yanks.
 
2014-03-06 01:23:19 PM  

mjones73: I loved having him on the team, he just became too injury prone. I'll be surprised if he makes it through a full season with the Yanks.


This will, guaranteed, be the first full season he's played in 5 years.
 
2014-03-06 01:32:39 PM  
Wish the O's had a real leadoff hitter but their lineup with Machado is pretty tight:

RF Markakis
3b Machado
Cf Jones
1b Davis
Dh/lf Cruz
C Weiters
SS Hardy
Lf/Dh Lough/young
2b Flaherty

I think Baltimore will really regret not signing a closer though and will miss the playoffs because of it. Well, that and a starting pitching staff with two #3 starters (Tillman, Chen), 2 #4 (Jimenez, Gonzalez), and a #44456322 starter (Norris).
 
2014-03-06 01:33:32 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: Thank God. That mole was serious.


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2014-03-06 01:37:35 PM  

degenerate-afro: mjones73: I loved having him on the team, he just became too injury prone. I'll be surprised if he makes it through a full season with the Yanks.

This will, guaranteed, be the first full season he's played in 5 years.


Probably. I wish the best for the guy, he was great when he was able to play.
 
2014-03-06 01:54:02 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Even though you double qualified that with "reasonable" and "recent,"the point isn't whether they were successful or not, the point is Angelos doesn't pay his starters to stay on the team,and their replacements aren't better. For example: Brian Roberts. Started for a decade, was the face of the franchise, and he walks...to NYY.


So you're saying the Orioles should've matched the Yankees offer on Roberts because he started for them from 2003 to 2009?

Your Boobies was about young players who left via trade/free agency just before a big contract because Angelos wouldn't pay them.  You have yet to name any of these players; the only name you've mentioned is a 36-year-old second baseman who hasn't consistently played in 5 years, and took a massive pay cut just to stay in the league-- and that's your best example of the Orioles being a farm team for big-money teams?

Seriously, just start naming names.  Name some guys who the O's wish they still had, but left because Angelos was too cheap to pay them.
 
2014-03-06 02:05:52 PM  

balki1867: Your Boobies was about ...


LOL
 
2014-03-06 02:36:24 PM  
Even though you double qualified that with "reasonable" and "recent,"the point isn't whether they were successful or not, the point is Angelos doesn't pay his starters to stay on the team,and their replacements aren't better. For example: Brian Roberts. Started for a decade, was the face of the franchise, and he walks...to NYY.

I get it, you don't follow the orioles.  In the last 5 years the Orioles have given big contracts to Nick Markakis, Adam Jones, Brian Roberts, and JJ Hardy.  They just signed Jiminez to a decent deal and arbitrated with chis davis and matt weiters.

We got rid of Koji Uehara but picked up Chris Davis and Tommy Hunter in the deal, I think it was worth it.

This off season went from very disappointing to one of the better ones in recent memory.  The main reason:  free agents actually WANTED to come to Baltimore.  That hasn't happened for over a decade.  If you are complaining that they didn't hold on to a 37 year old second basemen that hasn't played at a high caliber or even 100 games in the last 3 years then you really don't understand what is going on in Baltimore.
 
2014-03-06 04:23:33 PM  

degenerate-afro: mjones73: I loved having him on the team, he just became too injury prone. I'll be surprised if he makes it through a full season with the Yanks.

This will, guaranteed, be the first full season he's played in 5 years.


Would be fitting.  Would also say a lot about what he thinks of Angelos.

\on topic, remember watching the Machado injury on live TV, soooo spoiled supper.
 
2014-03-06 05:18:48 PM  

brap: Is that why it smells like crack smoke?

- Sorry, everything I know about Baltimore I learned from The Wire.


Not very well, apparently.

// hey-raw-an, not crack
 
2014-03-06 05:31:48 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // hey-raw-an, not crack


I can't be bothered with the petty details of my favorite musical comedies.
 
2014-03-06 09:51:57 PM  

FriarReb98: degenerate-afro: mjones73: I loved having him on the team, he just became too injury prone. I'll be surprised if he makes it through a full season with the Yanks.

This will, guaranteed, be the first full season he's played in 5 years.

Would be fitting.  Would also say a lot about what he thinks of Angelos.

\on topic, remember watching the Machado injury on live TV, soooo spoiled supper.


Oh yeah that was nasty to see, thought it was gonna be a lot worse then it was.
 
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