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2014-03-06 11:49:43 AM  

gfid: Persnickety: One of the most foolish consumer trends I've seen arise within my lifetime has been the notion of selling water in little plastic bottles.  What a dumb dumb dumb idea.

It's quite the marketing ploy, isn't it?

I still can remember seeing pitchers of water served to tables.  Then came this myth that you should drink 8 glasses of water a day that got pushed, but nobody could really cite any research.

That's when a lot of idiots stopped pointing and laughing at Evian drinkers and noting that Evian spelled backwards in "naive".

I thought it funny when I was given a bottled water and noticed it had a "manufacture date" all the way down to the minute when it was bottled and an expiration date exactly one year later (although not down to the minute).

I always wondered what would happen to that water one year after it was bottled.


Absolutely nothing. Water expiration dates are caused by states like NJ who wrote wide expiration date laws on consumables. Manufacturers don't care about stamping a use by date for one or two states, so they do it for all sales. The plastic is not going to leech chemicals into the water in one year, even if you are storing it in a hot place. Simply put, you'll expire before bottled water does.
 
2014-03-06 11:50:43 AM  

Gentoolive: Liberal city adds more regulations.

THE SHOCK!


When conservatives add regulations they do it under the guise of more wholesome sounding euphemisms like "supporting traditional family values" or such.
 
2014-03-06 11:53:03 AM  
Heh, if you wanna drink Florida municipal water, more power to ya. Me? I'll continue buying Zephyrhills bottles by the case.
 
2014-03-06 11:53:28 AM  

Devo: Inflatable Rhetoric: zimbomba63: How about canned water?  Is that still cool, man?

Water in a plastic bag?

Plastic Bags are already illegal in San Francisco


Yea, that would make it IL IL Legal. --> not illegal.
 
2014-03-06 11:55:33 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: When I was a kid, we all used these:

[www.filtersfast.com image 590x442]

Why does everyone need their own personal water?


Some people might not want their water at 90 degrees with a rust aftertaste? Fortunately, ice cold Brawndo will always be available at the refreshments stand.
 
2014-03-06 11:56:55 AM  

dobro: gfid: Persnickety: One of the most foolish consumer trends I've seen arise within my lifetime has been the notion of selling water in little plastic bottles.  What a dumb dumb dumb idea.

It's quite the marketing ploy, isn't it?

I still can remember seeing pitchers of water served to tables.  Then came this myth that you should drink 8 glasses of water a day that got pushed, but nobody could really cite any research.

That's when a lot of idiots stopped pointing and laughing at Evian drinkers and noting that Evian spelled backwards in "naive".

I thought it funny when I was given a bottled water and noticed it had a "manufacture date" all the way down to the minute when it was bottled and an expiration date exactly one year later (although not down to the minute).

I always wondered what would happen to that water one year after it was bottled.

The poison in the plastic bottle has percolated or "osmosed??" into the water. This policy should be national, IMHO.


lol wut
 
2014-03-06 11:58:16 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: The Irresponsible Captain: When I was a kid, we all used these:

[www.filtersfast.com image 590x442]

Why does everyone need their own personal water?

I just realized I sound like Lewis Black.



Or George Carlin, for that matter.

"When did we all become so THIRSTY in America?"
 
2014-03-06 11:58:55 AM  

Maxc7001: I was under the impression that there were no laws in San Francisco, at least in the Mission District, in regards to public behavior. I came to this conclusion during a three day business trip when I saw a different person shiat on the sidewalk each day that I was there.
While visiting, I also experienced the absolutely worst smell I've ever encountered which, surprisingly, wasn't any of the shiatters. It was an odious stench on the wind that had the effect of taking a nasty, greasy city pigeon and fastening it directly below one's nose with duct tape that had been marinated in beef tallow. Again, this was in the Mission District. I'm sure that the rest of SF is much nicer.


That's because the Mission is built directly over what used to be a creek. In times of drought (now-ish), the whole place smells like a mummified sewer. I think it's kind of marvelous that it's the hip neighborhood lately, what with the permeating reek. I guess the smell of patchouli immunizes the wearer, I dunno.
 
2014-03-06 11:59:01 AM  
Last month, several girlfriends and I went to SF for the weekend and stayed at the Hilton in Union Square. In 48 hours, we experienced the following:

~A grown man with his pants around his ankles, crapping against the hotel while squatting about 20 yards from the valet service

~A toothless hobo gumming bread that she had pulled directly from the garbage can

~A drunk dude puking out of the rear window of a taxi cab while the driver screamed at him to get the hell out of his cab

~A group of the angriest black men I've ever seen, yelling at any white woman passing by to get on her effing knees and worship them. When I shook my head in disbelief, they began coming after me, screaming at me and calling me every awful epithet imaginable. I ended up hiding in the Gap while SFPD was called out.

So it's nice to see that the SF City Council has the time and energy to ban, you know, water.
 
2014-03-06 12:00:07 PM  

slashmonkey: They should ban heat stroke while they are at it.


1.  Slow down.
2.  Loosen your grip.
3.  Add more lube.

Problem solved.
 
2014-03-06 12:06:57 PM  

FreeBirdInTheHand: Maxc7001: I was under the impression that there were no laws in San Francisco, at least in the Mission District, in regards to public behavior. I came to this conclusion during a three day business trip when I saw a different person shiat on the sidewalk each day that I was there.
While visiting, I also experienced the absolutely worst smell I've ever encountered which, surprisingly, wasn't any of the shiatters. It was an odious stench on the wind that had the effect of taking a nasty, greasy city pigeon and fastening it directly below one's nose with duct tape that had been marinated in beef tallow. Again, this was in the Mission District. I'm sure that the rest of SF is much nicer.

That's because the Mission is built directly over what used to be a creek. In times of drought (now-ish), the whole place smells like a mummified sewer. I think it's kind of marvelous that it's the hip neighborhood lately, what with the permeating reek. I guess the smell of patchouli immunizes the wearer, I dunno.



A friend of mine once said that SF only looks beautiful in photos because smellovision hasn't been invented yet.  Seems accurate.
 
2014-03-06 12:07:58 PM  

jshine: rewind2846: What did people do for water in the 200,000 years that homo sapiens has been around before someone got the bright idea to package one of the most abundant substances on earth in energy-intensive, non-biodegradable containers that will be around longer than the species that created them will?


Well, for most of those 200,000 years they didn't pack themselves into dense urban centers with 750,000 people in a 7x7 mile peninsula.  If you're living in a hunter-gather band of a few dozen individuals near a pristine savannah river, water isn't really a problem.  ...and if it is, oh well, your number is up at age 27.  Mean human lifetime would have been a lot shorter 200,000 years ago.


And what does that have to do with being able to carry a reusable plastic or metal bottle with you and refilling it with safe, potable tap water, available in any building in those dense urban centers with 750k people in a 7 square mile peninsula? If you do that there's a good chance you'll make it past 27 years of age.

And for these spoiled #firstworldproblems whiners that constantly gripe "wahh this water doesn't taste like Dom Perignon!", realize that many (over 700 million) of the people on the planet would kill you to drink the water you eschew in favor of your bottled hubris.
 
2014-03-06 12:10:05 PM  
GOOD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch

Estimates of size range from 700,000 square kilometres (270,000 sq mi) to more than 15,000,000 square kilometres (5,800,000 sq mi) (0.41% to 8.1% of the size of the Pacific Ocean), or, in some media reports, up to "twice the size of the continental United States"

gliving.com
 
2014-03-06 12:10:34 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: When I was a kid, we all used these:



Why does everyone need their own personal water?


Because those farking things never worked.
 
2014-03-06 12:11:12 PM  
Meh. It isn't as if I wasn't already avoiding the city.

That said, the times I have been most thirsty there I have not been on public land, unless the sidewalk counts.
 
2014-03-06 12:13:29 PM  

TrixieDelite: Last month, several girlfriends and I went to SF for the weekend and stayed at the Hilton in Union Square. In 48 hours, we experienced the following:

~A grown man with his pants around his ankles, crapping against the hotel while squatting about 20 yards from the valet service

~A toothless hobo gumming bread that she had pulled directly from the garbage can

~A drunk dude puking out of the rear window of a taxi cab while the driver screamed at him to get the hell out of his cab

~A group of the angriest black men I've ever seen, yelling at any white woman passing by to get on her effing knees and worship them. When I shook my head in disbelief, they began coming after me, screaming at me and calling me every awful epithet imaginable. I ended up hiding in the Gap while SFPD was called out.

So it's nice to see that the SF City Council has the time and energy to ban, you know, water.



As you see, bottled water really is the most pressing issue on the agenda.

/ those other things you mentioned would be hard to solve; banning things is easy
// As a politician, banning things is especially easy then the ban is targeted at a long-term and difficult-to-measure problem.  If you try to solve (say) homelessness, people can see clearly whether or not you succeeded.  The homeless in SF are very obvious, as you point out.  If your solution fails, you'll get called out on it.  If, on the other hand, you try to help in the fight against climate change, nobody will ever be able to say conclusively that you succeeded or failed, but everyone will feel good.
/// Only pick battles you can win.  Or, failing that, at least pick battles that you can't loose.
 
2014-03-06 12:15:32 PM  

rewind2846: jshine: rewind2846: What did people do for water in the 200,000 years that homo sapiens has been around before someone got the bright idea to package one of the most abundant substances on earth in energy-intensive, non-biodegradable containers that will be around longer than the species that created them will?


Well, for most of those 200,000 years they didn't pack themselves into dense urban centers with 750,000 people in a 7x7 mile peninsula.  If you're living in a hunter-gather band of a few dozen individuals near a pristine savannah river, water isn't really a problem.  ...and if it is, oh well, your number is up at age 27.  Mean human lifetime would have been a lot shorter 200,000 years ago.

And what does that have to do with being able to carry a reusable plastic or metal bottle with you and refilling it with safe, potable tap water, available in any building in those dense urban centers with 750k people in a 7 square mile peninsula? If you do that there's a good chance you'll make it past 27 years of age.

And for these spoiled #firstworldproblems whiners that constantly gripe "wahh this water doesn't taste like Dom Perignon!", realize that many (over 700 million) of the people on the planet would kill you to drink the water you eschew in favor of your bottled hubris.



You asked about ancient humans 200,000 years ago.  Ancient humans wouldn't have had canteens.
 
2014-03-06 12:20:05 PM  

jshine: You asked about ancient humans 200,000 years ago. Ancient humans wouldn't have had canteens.


Ancient humans made botas out of animal skins and jars from fired clay which served the same purpose. That way they didn't always have to be near rivers or streams. We seem to have forgotten what our ancestors discovered.
 
2014-03-06 12:28:07 PM  

dobro: The poison in the plastic bottle has percolated or "osmosed??" into the water. This policy should be national, IMHO.



http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/plasticbottles.asp
 
msP
2014-03-06 12:33:14 PM  
For years, governments did everything they could to get people to smoke less.  Now they're legalizing smoking marijuana in order to get that sweet, sweet tax money they're so addicted to.

What a crazy world we live in today.


Well, marijuana doesn't have to be smoked, and they're not legalizing SMOKING marijuana- they're legalizing possession of the plant. I know two kinds of people who use marijuana- college students who smoke it in blunts and spend days coughing up black lung pieces because of it (okay, that's an exaggeration, because I only know one person who coughed up black lung bits and that's because he was addicted to it) and actual adults who use it in edible form or through vaporizers.

There's plenty of safe, non-cancer forming (as far as we know now) ways to ingest marijuana. Tobacco on the other hand, not the case. Even if you chew tobacco, you can still get cancers in your mouth. Now nicotine, on the other hand, seems to be relatively safe if you smoke it through e-cigs (again as far as we know).

I guess what I'm saying is you can't say it's crazy that governments are legalizing marijuana after they told people not to smoke for years because it's not the same thing.
 
2014-03-06 12:34:19 PM  
As someone that was in SF a week ago for the 3rd time in my life, I'm getting a kick out of these replies. I wanted to go hiking at the national lakeshore (granted, outside of SF) and we couldn't fill our water bottles because the visitor center and near by businesses had lost electricity, and the drinking fountain required electricity to operate. We couldn't even buy bottled water from the shops because they weren't open.

Most of the time, I don't like to buy bottled water because I'm too cheap.
 
2014-03-06 12:35:24 PM  
Douchebag rule number 4:  Always have a bottle of water in your hand, cupholder, or messenger bag.  All three places grants the status             of uber-douche.
 
2014-03-06 12:51:55 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Zeb Hesselgresser: Brought to you by:

[www.sfbos.org image 184x242]
David Chiu grew up in Boston and received his undergraduate degree, law degree, and master's degree in public policy from Harvard University.

a civil rights attorney at the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights. In the mid-1990s, David served as Democratic Counsel to the U.S. Senate Constitution Subcommittee

All the problems a City of that size has, All that education, All that experience, and he comes up with

"No bottle water for you, I says so."


[fireden.net image 224x216]

You've established that he's smarter than you, maybe you can learn something from him.


Clearly.
 
2014-03-06 12:54:01 PM  

TrixieDelite: Last month, several girlfriends and I went to SF for the weekend and stayed at the Hilton in Union Square. In 48 hours, we experienced the following:

~A grown man with his pants around his ankles, crapping against the hotel while squatting about 20 yards from the valet service

~A toothless hobo gumming bread that she had pulled directly from the garbage can

~A drunk dude puking out of the rear window of a taxi cab while the driver screamed at him to get the hell out of his cab

~A group of the angriest black men I've ever seen, yelling at any white woman passing by to get on her effing knees and worship them. When I shook my head in disbelief, they began coming after me, screaming at me and calling me every awful epithet imaginable. I ended up hiding in the Gap while SFPD was called out.

So it's nice to see that the SF City Council has the time and energy to ban, you know, water.


So you had a good time?  Going again soon?
 
2014-03-06 12:58:24 PM  

d23: dangelder: Bla bla fascism, but I'm in favor of this experiment. The costs of bottled water are subsidized by us all and maybe forcing everyone to use the municipal water will keep it from turning into something used only by the poor and chronically underfunded.

Really, really confused by any bellyaching like this.  They are making a rule on land that they own.  The same group of biatchers would scream for days if "you gubmit tell me how to rum my buzzzzness", just like they do when we try to make bullshiat gay bans illegal.


THEY being the govt right?
just want to be clear on why i think you are wrong
 
2014-03-06 01:30:17 PM  
Now availabe! New Dasani "Very Slightly Flavored Drink"

One customer was heard commenting "Tastes just like delicious water!"
 
2014-03-06 02:03:31 PM  

Mateorocks: [media.offbeathome.com image 339x500]

This is how the LSD used to be distributed.


I know where a few of those caches are sitting locally. Water, the carb pellets, the bland crackers, and the portable shiatters. I'm ready for when the Ruskies get frisky.
 
2014-03-06 02:04:46 PM  

Savage Bacon: Coffee and soda vendors heard cackling madly in the shadows.


No kidding. Brilliant idea savers of the planet!
 
2014-03-06 02:04:48 PM  
What are they going to do with all the water-cooler waste?
 
2014-03-06 02:46:58 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Mr.Hawk: Inflatable Rhetoric: Well heck.
I haven't bought a bottle of water yet.  I found pipes it flows from.

I too have found this. It is strange others haven't.


/I also like water in cans.
//I call it beer.

if you two can't taste the difference between heavily chlorinated municipal sludge (called water by the city), and a quality water like Zephyrhills spring water then I feel sorry for you two because your taste buds have died and I don't believe there is a cure for that (yet).


It really depends on your city. NYC tap water is great, it's all spring fed mountain reservoirs from the Adirondacks. Compare that to western Oklahoma where the water tastes like bricks.
 
2014-03-06 02:49:32 PM  

Devo: Inflatable Rhetoric: zimbomba63: How about canned water?  Is that still cool, man?

Water in a plastic bag?

Plastic Bags are already illegal in San Francisco


So Joan Rivers is restricted from entering the city?
 
2014-03-06 04:04:54 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: This isn't the Philippines.


Is this the Philippines?  This isn't the Philippines.

www.founditemclothing.com
 
2014-03-06 04:08:16 PM  

Devo: Inflatable Rhetoric: zimbomba63: How about canned water?  Is that still cool, man?

Water in a plastic bag?

Plastic Bags are already illegal in San Francisco


In the Big Apple, people dress in them. Directing traffic. Some kind of fashion.
 
2014-03-06 05:40:54 PM  
So, did anyone in the thread bother to read the article? From the comments it is looking like no.
 
2014-03-06 05:41:32 PM  

dentalhilljack: As a resident of a state affected by idiots poisoning our water supply, I fully expect that SanFran's experiment would carve out an exception for distributing these little environment killers in case of disaster or crisis.  It's not like an earthquake could disrupt the delivery of water through their city or anything...


Rule #1 of local government: Never acknowledge that there are forces beyond your control.
 
2014-03-06 05:48:36 PM  
"You can't sell water on public property!"
"What about 'health water' that contains 'vitamins', for twice the... wait water is banned? THREE TIMES the price."
"That's okay."
 
2014-03-07 04:13:08 PM  
12 oz beer, legal.

12 oz soda, legal.

12 oz bottle of water?  Get a rope...
 
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