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2014-03-06 10:57:52 AM  
FTA: "The city's Board of Supervisors voted unanimously to initiate a phase-out of the sale and distribution of throwaway plastic water bottles 21 oz or smaller..."

22 oz bottles appear in 3, 2, 1...
 
2014-03-06 10:58:04 AM  
media.offbeathome.com

This is how the LSD used to be distributed.
 
2014-03-06 10:58:29 AM  

gfid: I always wondered what would happen to that water one year after it was bottled.


Interestingly, there are some types of plastic (such as that used by Fiji, if memory seves) that are not entirely waterproof, so tiny amounts of water can evaporate through the plastic bottle.  Given enough time -- a few years -- the bottle will appear to "collapse" as it miraculously empties itself with the cap still in place.  It does take a while though, and hot conditions (e.g., being left in a car for years) can accelerate it.
 
2014-03-06 10:58:46 AM  
For years, governments did everything they could to get people to drink more water.  Then when people started drinking water, they taxed it out the wazoo, or worse -- made it illegal, like in this story.

For years, governments did everything they could to get people to smoke less.  Now they're legalizing smoking marijuana in order to get that sweet, sweet tax money they're so addicted to.

What a crazy world we live in today.
 
2014-03-06 10:58:55 AM  

d23: dangelder: Bla bla fascism, but I'm in favor of this experiment. The costs of bottled water are subsidized by us all and maybe forcing everyone to use the municipal water will keep it from turning into something used only by the poor and chronically underfunded.

Really, really confused by any bellyaching like this.  They are making a rule on land that they own.  The same group of biatchers would scream for days if "you gubmit tell me how to rum my buzzzzness", just like they do when we try to make bullshiat gay bans illegal.


Bullshiat gay bans illegal? So you're in favor banning gaydom?
 
2014-03-06 10:59:00 AM  

Persnickety: One of the most foolish consumer trends I've seen arise within my lifetime has been the notion of selling water in little plastic bottles.  What a dumb dumb dumb idea.


Actually, it's an outstanding idea.  It's a dumb idea to purchase it, though.

"Nobody ever  went broke underestimating the taste, (or the intelligence), of the American public." - H. L. Mencken

(Parenthetical mine.)  [sic]
 
2014-03-06 10:59:51 AM  
I read that as "ban bullying of bottled water" which I did not know was a problem.

"Stop drinking yourself! Stop drinking yourself! Stop drinking yourself!"
 
2014-03-06 11:00:14 AM  
If you want to sell water just sell a pebble or a bottle cap or something that comes with a free water.
 
2014-03-06 11:00:28 AM  
Don't laugh at dehydrated water. It's a real thing.

I saw some when I visited Loring Air Force Base, Aroostook County, Maine, on their open house day, many years ago, where they used to keep the big long range B-52 bombers because they were closer to the USSR and Europe there than any other place in the US.

Dehydrated water is a nasty foul product that you will drink if you have to (sort of like condensed milk). It contains some water, of course, but it is dehydrated because it is basically a sort of gel that can hold a lot more water. It gets this water by sucking it out of the air. I think it might also help to kill parasites and bacteria in water you gather while living off the land.

Even in a fairly dry environment, dehydrated water can rehydrate itself to a considerably larger volume than it has when packed in a can. So it forms part of the survival rations of US and other military personnel.

It is sort of like those tiny gel novelty toys that you soak in water and which grow to many, many times their dehydrated volume. You have probably seen those and like Bart Simpson you may imagine your gel T. rex growing to full size and swallowing your sister.
 
2014-03-06 11:02:16 AM  
dentalhilljack:
 Strawman supposition - would San Francisco seriously turn down FEMA or private aid in a calamity because the water wasn't packaged properly?

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they did.
 
2014-03-06 11:02:18 AM  
But the GOVERNMENT says it is so, and they do always know better than us peons. As long as its not businesses making free market based choices most people here should be fine with this
 
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2014-03-06 11:02:54 AM  

Fano: d23: dangelder: Bla bla fascism, but I'm in favor of this experiment. The costs of bottled water are subsidized by us all and maybe forcing everyone to use the municipal water will keep it from turning into something used only by the poor and chronically underfunded.

Really, really confused by any bellyaching like this.  They are making a rule on land that they own.  The same group of biatchers would scream for days if "you gubmit tell me how to rum my buzzzzness", just like they do when we try to make bullshiat gay bans illegal.

Bullshiat gay bans illegal? So you're in favor banning gaydom?


Banning things based on hatred is problematic.  Banning things based on a legitimate concern is fine.
 
2014-03-06 11:03:23 AM  
San Francisco, the ban-happy City by the Bay where a rather eclectic assortment of things...

...Segways (hallelujah!)


Yeah, I don't understand cheering the banning of Segways. I haven't heard of roving Segway gangs running down seniors on the sidewalks.
 
2014-03-06 11:03:43 AM  
Also, from TFA:

We all know with climate change, and the importance of combatting [sic] climate change, San Francisco has been leading the way to fight for our environment. That's why I ask you to support this ordinance to reduce and discourage single-use, single-serving plastic water bottles in San Francisco.

This is a complete non sequitur.  When plastic is used in a bottle, that plastic is generally not biodegradable -- so it cannot enter the atmosphere as CO2 unless someone burns the bottle.  If that crude oil is not used to make plastic, it will most likely be sent to a refinery and used as fuel.  In that case it will definitely end up in the atmosphere as CO2.  Non bio-degradable plastics are a form of carbon sequestration, pretty much by definition, so they are actually beneficial -- at least purely in terms of climate change.
 
2014-03-06 11:05:20 AM  

reaperducer: For years, governments did everything they could to get people to drink more water.  Then when people started drinking water, they taxed it out the wazoo, or worse -- made it illegal, like in this story.

For years, governments did everything they could to get people to smoke less.  Now they're legalizing smoking marijuana in order to get that sweet, sweet tax money they're so addicted to.

What a crazy world we live in today.



Whatever you're doing is wrong; you should be doing something else.  Repent.
 
2014-03-06 11:05:25 AM  
They should ban heat stroke while they are at it.
 
2014-03-06 11:07:01 AM  
Here on the left coast I caught one of the local talk radio morons spewing about this... whining that somehow people would dry up and blow away without the ability to buy bottled water. I swear they must par these people to be idiots, and this guy was earning every penny that day. What did people do for water in the 200,000 years that homo sapiens has been around before someone got the bright idea to package one of the most abundant substances on earth in energy-intensive, non-biodegradable containers that will be around longer than the species that created them will?
I have a stainless steel bottle at my desk I've been using for the past three years, and have never bought bottled water - ever. How difficult is it to carry your own farking water?
 
2014-03-06 11:07:08 AM  

This text is now purple: Banning the selling of water on public property I can maybe defend. Banning the buying of it seems explicitly unconstitutional under Buckley v. Valeo, as reinforced by Citizens United v. FEC. Purchases are speech.

But hey, it's not fascism when we do it.


That's a solid point
 
2014-03-06 11:08:38 AM  
Yeah, maybe if municipalities would concentrate on making the shiat that comes out of their taps actually drinkable, I could support this concept. But Jesus, even when the shiat is SAFE to drink, the odds are that it takes like ass, and you can't haul around 5 gallons in your car all day from your Britta filter in anticipation of how thirsty you MIGHT get during the day.

Stupid ban is a stupid ban.
 
2014-03-06 11:11:33 AM  

rewind2846: What did people do for water in the 200,000 years that homo sapiens has been around before someone got the bright idea to package one of the most abundant substances on earth in energy-intensive, non-biodegradable containers that will be around longer than the species that created them will?



Well, for most of those 200,000 years they didn't pack themselves into dense urban centers with 750,000 people in a 7x7 mile peninsula.  If you're living in a hunter-gather band of a few dozen individuals near a pristine savannah river, water isn't really a problem.  ...and if it is, oh well, your number is up at age 27.  Mean human lifetime would have been a lot shorter 200,000 years ago.
 
2014-03-06 11:13:20 AM  

Mikey1969: Yeah, maybe if municipalities would concentrate on making the shiat that comes out of their taps actually drinkable, I could support this concept. But Jesus, even when the shiat is SAFE to drink, the odds are that it takes like ass, and you can't haul around 5 gallons in your car all day from your Britta filter in anticipation of how thirsty you MIGHT get during the day.

Stupid ban is a stupid ban.



In fairness, SF does have pretty decent tap water.  The problem is, of course, that you can't really buy a portable tap if something comes up in the middle of the day & you're thirsty.
 
2014-03-06 11:14:29 AM  
 
2014-03-06 11:15:36 AM  

MBooda: HotWingConspiracy: MBooda: The day will come when they ask, "Where's the water?"
[www.conservation.ca.gov image 793x635]
/personally, i wouldn't piss on it

I don't think that vending machines and street vendors would be a reliable source in such a situation.

An unreliable source is still better than no source at all.


It's not just unreliable, it would be non existent within an hour. Also I'm really confident that water is indeed available elsewhere in the city.

Plus, you know, we have gigantic helicopters and stockpiled water. This isn't the Philippines.
 
2014-03-06 11:15:45 AM  

slashmonkey: They should ban heat stroke while they are at it.


And lima beans...nasty little buggers.
 
2014-03-06 11:15:49 AM  
Et tu, Cantor?


jdwaggoner.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-06 11:16:30 AM  

dangelder: Bla bla fascism, but I'm in favor of this experiment. The costs of bottled water are subsidized by us all and maybe forcing everyone to use the municipal water will keep it from turning into something used only by the poor and chronically underfunded.


Government performing  vital services like trash collection is good until that helps support something we don't like, when suddenly our "subsidizing it" becomes an excuse to ban that thing. When you take that attitude, there's essentially nothing that we don't "subsidize" and therefore make subject to control by the State.
 
2014-03-06 11:16:46 AM  

jshine: Mikey1969: Yeah, maybe if municipalities would concentrate on making the shiat that comes out of their taps actually drinkable, I could support this concept. But Jesus, even when the shiat is SAFE to drink, the odds are that it takes like ass, and you can't haul around 5 gallons in your car all day from your Britta filter in anticipation of how thirsty you MIGHT get during the day.

Stupid ban is a stupid ban.


In fairness, SF does have pretty decent tap water.  The problem is, of course, that you can't really buy a portable tap if something comes up in the middle of the day & you're thirsty.


People seem to be able to find bathrooms.  How hard can it be to find water?
 
2014-03-06 11:16:57 AM  
Wrong thread, goddammitsomuch
 
2014-03-06 11:17:44 AM  
Color the bottles green and we have a win win.
 
2014-03-06 11:18:51 AM  
I thought San Fran recycled.
 
2014-03-06 11:19:42 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: jshine: Mikey1969: Yeah, maybe if municipalities would concentrate on making the shiat that comes out of their taps actually drinkable, I could support this concept. But Jesus, even when the shiat is SAFE to drink, the odds are that it takes like ass, and you can't haul around 5 gallons in your car all day from your Britta filter in anticipation of how thirsty you MIGHT get during the day.

Stupid ban is a stupid ban.


In fairness, SF does have pretty decent tap water.  The problem is, of course, that you can't really buy a portable tap if something comes up in the middle of the day & you're thirsty.

People seem to be able to find bathrooms.  How hard can it be to find water?



Do you *really* want to get into a discussion about finding public bathrooms in San Francisco?

/ I'll just leave this here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/broken-bart-escalators-poop_ n _1706716.html
 
2014-03-06 11:20:28 AM  
Brought to you by:

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David Chiu grew up in Boston and received his undergraduate degree, law degree, and master's degree in public policy from Harvard University.

a civil rights attorney at the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights. In the mid-1990s, David served as Democratic Counsel to the U.S. Senate Constitution Subcommittee


All the problems a City of that size has, All that education, All that experience, and he comes up with

"No bottle water for you, I says so."


fireden.net
 
2014-03-06 11:22:03 AM  

slashmonkey: They should ban heat stroke while they are at it.


Is that a problem in San Francisco?
 
2014-03-06 11:24:53 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: zimbomba63: How about canned water?  Is that still cool, man?

Water in a plastic bag?


Nope, Mason jars.
 
2014-03-06 11:27:13 AM  
Only bottle 21 ounces or less.... just start selling 1L bottles.

i.imgur.com
Failing that... just sell some dehydrated dihydrogen monoxide.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-06 11:27:22 AM  

jshine: Mikey1969: Yeah, maybe if municipalities would concentrate on making the shiat that comes out of their taps actually drinkable, I could support this concept. But Jesus, even when the shiat is SAFE to drink, the odds are that it takes like ass, and you can't haul around 5 gallons in your car all day from your Britta filter in anticipation of how thirsty you MIGHT get during the day.

Stupid ban is a stupid ban.


In fairness, SF does have pretty decent tap water.  The problem is, of course, that you can't really buy a portable tap if something comes up in the middle of the day & you're thirsty.


Good thing someone does... Here in SLC, it varies based on where in the valley you live. The east side of the valley is good, but the closer you get to the more, the worse it gets, and it's not necessarily from pollution from the mine as much as it's from the metals and minerals that naturally occur in the soil where things like copper like to hang out in large quantities. In Phx, no matter where you went, it tasted like ass. When you can smell the water from 5 feet away, you know there's an issue.

Yeah, you can carry a refillable water bottle, but I wonder if they're going to mandate that everyone has to let you fill that water bottle any time you need to also?
 
2014-03-06 11:27:33 AM  

Mikey1969: Yeah, maybe if municipalities would concentrate on making the shiat that comes out of their taps actually drinkable, I could support this concept. But Jesus, even when the shiat is SAFE to drink, the odds are that it takes like ass, and you can't haul around 5 gallons in your car all day from your Britta filter in anticipation of how thirsty you MIGHT get during the day.

Stupid ban is a stupid ban.


You drink 5 gallons of water per day?

I actually do keep water in my car for emergencies, but not 5 gallons.

And water most places - almost everywhere - in the US not only is safe, it tastes just fine.
 
2014-03-06 11:27:39 AM  

Persnickety: gfid: Persnickety: One of the most foolish consumer trends I've seen arise within my lifetime has been the notion of selling water in little plastic bottles.  What a dumb dumb dumb idea.

It's quite the marketing ploy, isn't it?

I still can remember seeing pitchers of water served to tables.  Then came this myth that you should drink 8 glasses of water a day that got pushed, but nobody could really cite any research.

That's when a lot of idiots stopped pointing and laughing at Evian drinkers and noting that Evian spelled backwards in "naive".

I thought it funny when I was given a bottled water and noticed it had a "manufacture date" all the way down to the minute when it was bottled and an expiration date exactly one year later (although not down to the minute).

I always wondered what would happen to that water one year after it was bottled.

You know that nasty plasticy taste the water gets from leaving the bottle out in the sun too long?  My guess is that.


Ahh, that good old military canteen taste.
 
2014-03-06 11:28:14 AM  

jjorsett: dangelder: Bla bla fascism, but I'm in favor of this experiment. The costs of bottled water are subsidized by us all and maybe forcing everyone to use the municipal water will keep it from turning into something used only by the poor and chronically underfunded.

Government performing  vital services like trash collection is good until that helps support something we don't like, when suddenly our "subsidizing it" becomes an excuse to ban that thing. When you take that attitude, there's essentially nothing that we don't "subsidize" and therefore make subject to control by the State.


I like the cut of your jib.
 
2014-03-06 11:28:43 AM  
When I was a kid, we all used these:

www.filtersfast.com

Why does everyone need their own personal water?
 
2014-03-06 11:30:05 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: When I was a kid, we all used these:

[www.filtersfast.com image 590x442]

Why does everyone need their own personal water?


I just realized I sound like Lewis Black.

images.starpulse.com
 
2014-03-06 11:30:45 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Brought to you by:

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David Chiu grew up in Boston and received his undergraduate degree, law degree, and master's degree in public policy from Harvard University.

a civil rights attorney at the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights. In the mid-1990s, David served as Democratic Counsel to the U.S. Senate Constitution Subcommittee

All the problems a City of that size has, All that education, All that experience, and he comes up with

"No bottle water for you, I says so."


[fireden.net image 224x216]


You've established that he's smarter than you, maybe you can learn something from him.
 
2014-03-06 11:34:47 AM  

gfid: Mikey1969: Yeah, maybe if municipalities would concentrate on making the shiat that comes out of their taps actually drinkable, I could support this concept. But Jesus, even when the shiat is SAFE to drink, the odds are that it takes like ass, and you can't haul around 5 gallons in your car all day from your Britta filter in anticipation of how thirsty you MIGHT get during the day.

Stupid ban is a stupid ban.

You drink 5 gallons of water per day?

I actually do keep water in my car for emergencies, but not 5 gallons.

And water most places - almost everywhere - in the US not only is safe, it tastes just fine.


Yeah, I have yet to find a major metropolitan area where the water tasted decent consistently. Maybe on one side of town, or the other, but municipal water tastes like shiat with the regularity that experts appear on Fark.
 
2014-03-06 11:35:52 AM  
Liberal city adds more regulations.

THE SHOCK!
 
2014-03-06 11:41:32 AM  

brantgoose: ... There is nothing more useless than a can of condensed milk. It doesn't even look or taste like milk. It looks and tastes like condensed library paste with too much sugar in it.


If you're buying sweetened condensed milk for emergency purposes, that's silly, because it's a product used to make delicious treats like fudge and caramel sauce. It also has a very limited self life, with respect to long term storage. I always find some in my cupboard that's nearing experiation and have to whip up a batch of fudge.

Evaporated milk is may be what you're looking for, or even powdered milk.
 
2014-03-06 11:43:15 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: When I was a kid, we all used these:

[www.filtersfast.com image 590x442]

Why does everyone need their own personal water?


They probably aren't all that available anymore.
 
2014-03-06 11:45:03 AM  
In the midst of an obesity epidemic, let's ban water. Good idea. People won't buy sodas instead.
 
2014-03-06 11:45:34 AM  

Betep: I thought San Fran recycled.


Recycling is not good, it is simply less bad.
 
2014-03-06 11:46:41 AM  
Well, that's it, then.  Earth saved.  Whew, that was close.
 
2014-03-06 11:49:07 AM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: zimbomba63: How about canned water?  Is that still cool, man?

Water in a plastic bag?


Plastic Bags are already illegal in San Francisco
 
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