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2014-03-06 09:53:16 AM  

MadMattressMack: Wait, I never sent my daughter to school when she was 2 years old. Did I miss something?


Yes, the fact that it is a daycare center, not an actual public school. Subby is bad and should feel bad.
 
gja
2014-03-06 09:54:33 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?


Who is anyone to say where taste is concerned. It has nutritional value and isn't junky.
 
2014-03-06 10:03:48 AM  

enderthexenocide: my dad is allergic to peanut butter and if he smells it, he can have an allergic reaction. he doesn't immediately die, but he'll get a headache and maybe some mild breathing trouble.


That's anxiety, not an allergic reaction. The smell elevates his blood pressure, causing the headache. The "mild breathing trouble" is psychosomatic.
 
2014-03-06 10:07:23 AM  
DanZero:

Since it's Quebec, it's pronounced "oo-trahj".
 
2014-03-06 10:20:52 AM  

hasty ambush: Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?

What's wrong with that? It's portable and fairly nutricious (provides grain, dairy & protein).

But not as good for you as chocolate cake

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That's one of my favorite Bill Cosby bits.
 
2014-03-06 10:34:32 AM  
Do you know what they call a cheese sandwich in Ottawa?
 
2014-03-06 10:37:44 AM  

Literally Addicted: shaddix: Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?

What's wrong with that? It's portable and fairly nutricious (provides grain, dairy & protein).

hahahahahahahahaha

Obviously, you've never tried to feed a 2 year old.  They're not big on balanced meals, they have snacks all day. It's your job as a parent to make sure the snacks all even out in the nutrition department over the course of a week.


Exactly. And if the sandwich is made with a whole grain bread and real cheese instead of those processed cheese food slices (i.e. American cheese) you've made a decent snack for a child that age.
 
2014-03-06 10:38:07 AM  
A cheese sandwich is a cheese sandwich but they call it "Le Cheese Sandwich".
 
2014-03-06 10:41:47 AM  

GDubDub: Danger Mouse: Because the teacher could have simply removed the sandwich and reminded the parents that no outside food is allowed due to concerns about allergies.

You know, like a reasonable person would do.

You do realize that rank-and-file workers get fired for exercising discretion these days, particularly in any type of educational setting?


This is a private day care facility. They have a bit more discretion.  But yes, the 0 tolerance trend is insanely stupid.
 
2014-03-06 10:51:34 AM  

Danger Mouse: GDubDub: Danger Mouse: Because the teacher could have simply removed the sandwich and reminded the parents that no outside food is allowed due to concerns about allergies.

You know, like a reasonable person would do.

You do realize that rank-and-file workers get fired for exercising discretion these days, particularly in any type of educational setting?

This is a private day care facility. They have a bit more discretion.  But yes, the 0 tolerance trend is insanely stupid.


If this dad is the kind of guy who would run to the media with this, I get a feeling this isn't this guys first incident with the people who run this school. Private daycares aren't in the business of pushing paying customers out. Usually they have to wait until problem children/parents give them a reason to take action.
 
2014-03-06 10:52:29 AM  

Literally Addicted: FnkyTwn: xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

I think for a long time now that's what actually has been believed by the parents of peanut allergy sufferers and schools, but recent studies have shown that that's not the case and instead it's really just contact exposure mistaken for airborne contact.

Hysteria surrounding peanut allergies is pretty rampant, however if exposure to peanut butter could kill my kid i might be a little hysterical about it too.

I've witnessed an episode of anaplylactic shock by a child in the same room as a peanut butter sandwich.  She didn't know that a kid two rows behind her had opened a container that had peanut butter in it, but her body sure as hell did.  This was not "panic" or "hysteria", it was an actual, physical reaction.

That said, not ever allergy sufferer has such severe reactions to things, but some do.


Actually, I think controlled studies have shown that she actually had some sort of physical contact with the substance, either on a desk or on another student. It's not like she had a big dollop of peanut butter put on her, but literally the tiniest contact with it would set her off. It "appears" as if it's airborne because you're not actually seeing the contact, and then you just assume it's due to the sandwich, but controlled studies have shown it's not from the sandwich simply being present. Now did somebody have a mouthful of sandwich and then sneeze at her? Maybe?

If it was in the air then nobody with the allergy could live in the state of Georgia. There would be massive clouds of invisible death floating around in New Mexico, Texas and Oklahoma, where most of our peanuts come from, and that's not the case. Places that process peanuts don't have some sort of special air-capture-recondition system, so it would be constantly wafting out of factories that process and produce peanuts and you'd know about that because it would be national news.
 
2014-03-06 10:58:32 AM  

The Homer Tax: Danger Mouse: GDubDub: Danger Mouse: Because the teacher could have simply removed the sandwich and reminded the parents that no outside food is allowed due to concerns about allergies.

You know, like a reasonable person would do.

You do realize that rank-and-file workers get fired for exercising discretion these days, particularly in any type of educational setting?

This is a private day care facility. They have a bit more discretion.  But yes, the 0 tolerance trend is insanely stupid.

If this dad is the kind of guy who would run to the media with this, I get a feeling this isn't this guys first incident with the people who run this school. Private daycares aren't in the business of pushing paying customers out. Usually they have to wait until problem children/parents give them a reason to take action.


Good point.  This just maybe the day care's seperation strategy.
 
2014-03-06 11:18:33 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: She truly is a muenster.


Maybe she just knows whats gouda for her.
 
2014-03-06 11:40:07 AM  

Trade Secret: I too am allergic to several things including types of nuts, fish and even beer.


YOU POOR BASTARD!
 
2014-03-06 11:42:45 AM  

Trade Secret: Dr. Whoof: Trade Secret: Because I too am allergic to several things including types of nuts, fish and even beer.

I'm not sure whether to heap condolences on you or kindly ask you to vacate the gene pool...

I always enjoyed a beer, especially after mowing the lawn, but I kept having bad-ass hay fever after I mowed, come to find out it was the beer. Some types of wine also make it so my lungs freak out and I have to use an inhaler. Not sure what the true cause is but I stay away from beer and wine and stick to scotch and "the reefer"

/can still taste beer if I think about it...I miss it on hot days for sure
/my kids have zero allergies
// so condolences it is


You might want to try beers made from other ingredients, such as wheat beers, or look for a gluten free beer.
 
2014-03-06 11:59:19 AM  
Public Schools are child abuse
 
2014-03-06 12:02:05 PM  

Cupajo: FirstNationalBastard: She truly is a muenster.

Maybe she just knows whats gouda for her.


But the daycare says she must use her feta and get a move on.
 
2014-03-06 12:07:22 PM  
This is why everyone should home school. Mass public education is dead.
 
2014-03-06 12:13:48 PM  

lack of warmth: Cupajo: FirstNationalBastard: She truly is a muenster.

Maybe she just knows whats gouda for her.

But the daycare says she must use her feta and get a move on.


I guess she should have known better than to brie-ng banned items to school.
 
2014-03-06 12:38:27 PM  

RedArny: SDRR: StrikitRich: Is the pre-school run by an HOA?


/in before the anti-HOA hillbillies

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He's not even trolling though.

In a lot of towns these days you either deal with an HOA or you live in a neighborhood like this:

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And a neighbor like that will not care about what my own yard looks like, much less go crying to someone with the power to foreclose on my house.
 
2014-03-06 12:46:24 PM  

xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


Yes, actually--particles of the allergen in the air cause allergic reactions. It depends on the individual's sensitivity, and since this is a day-care, allergies would be undiagnosed, so a peanut-butter sandwich could cause a lethal reaction in a child. But any allergen that's broken down can release particles, and peanut butter is one that's A) prevalent, B) deadly, and C) comes mashed up.

Plus, kids are more likely to smear each other with food than anything else.
 
2014-03-06 12:47:01 PM  

FnkyTwn: Actually, I think controlled studies have shown that she actually had some sort of physical contact with the substance, either on a desk or on another student. It's not like she had a big dollop of peanut butter put on her, but literally the tiniest contact with it would set her off. It "appears" as if it's airborne because you're not actually seeing the contact, and then you just assume it's due to the sandwich, but controlled studies have shown it's not from the sandwich simply being present. Now did somebody have a mouthful of sandwich and then sneeze at her? Maybe?


I find it exceedingly difficult to believe that there have been "controlled studies" of this type. I could be wrong, though. Do you have any source for this at all?
 
2014-03-06 01:03:52 PM  
This is what happens when you want to nerf everything.
 
2014-03-06 01:33:44 PM  
Did she bring enough to share with the entire class?
 
2014-03-06 01:48:02 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: FnkyTwn: Actually, I think controlled studies have shown that she actually had some sort of physical contact with the substance, either on a desk or on another student. It's not like she had a big dollop of peanut butter put on her, but literally the tiniest contact with it would set her off. It "appears" as if it's airborne because you're not actually seeing the contact, and then you just assume it's due to the sandwich, but controlled studies have shown it's not from the sandwich simply being present. Now did somebody have a mouthful of sandwich and then sneeze at her? Maybe?

I find it exceedingly difficult to believe that there have been "controlled studies" of this type. I could be wrong, though. Do you have any source for this at all?


This is a post from some site that explores it a bit, but ill keep looking. Some farker listed it in a similar thread a while back, but in the past few years it's becoming better understood.

www.netwellness.org/healthtopics/ch/p eanut1.cfm

FTFA: Recently concern has been raised that peanut protein in the air will trigger a full-blown anaphylaxis since respiratory exposure can occur in the school setting as food proteins aerosolize into vapors during cooking at high temperatures, even in well-ventilated cafeterias. When airborne peanut protein exposure and reactions of children with known peanut allergies were explored, no allergic symptoms or anaphylaxis were observed when peanut allergic children were not aware of the airborne exposure. Interestingly, when aware of the exposure, symptoms of itchy eyes, sneezing, and runny nose resulted.
 
2014-03-06 01:50:38 PM  
That child is TOO OLD to be sucking on a pacifier.
 
2014-03-06 01:54:26 PM  

ryarger: At the age of 2, the suspension is punishment against the parent, not the child. The child isn't going to care.

Yes, it was an accident, but having to take personal time for three days to watch little Sally would teach me to make sure she doesn't slip any more food into her pockets.

On the other hand, this leading to one more parent taking the time to raise their own child is probably a good thing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEynciCuKj8#t=18m52s
 
2014-03-06 02:26:31 PM  
NutWrench
"Upon enrolment, parents must sign a contract which they review and we review with them, and this contract specifically mentions that we have zero tolerance," she said.

Don't sign stupid contracts like this. That fact that they actually used the phrase "zero tolerance" in a contract proves that their staff is incapable of making intelligent, reasonable decisions. What I'm trying to say is: find another daycare.

I used to think that the most charitable explanation for all these zero tolerance policies was insurance liability but I really think the people who make these rules are just pants-on-head retarded.


Alternate theory: you don't want to spend all day arguing with *that* set of parents (or their lawyer) why their crotchfruit isn't allowed to do X while some other kid may doY because an "intelligent, reasonable decision" might be based on the fact that their perfect-angel-at-home is an immature, borderline retarded, bullying psychopath at school.

Little Jonny might be responsible enough that you wouldn't worry if he brought a hunting rifle and some ammo to school while little Kevin can't even be trusted with an empty squirt gun because he would ram the empty thing into some kid's eye because he thinks it makes a funny squishy noise or because he would piss into the squirt gun and shoot other kids with it.
 
2014-03-06 02:31:13 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: I find it exceedingly difficult to believe that there have been "controlled studies" of this type. I could be wrong, though. Do you have any source for this at all?


How Stuff Works has links to articles showing how "allergies" can easily be psychosomatic.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/allergies/allerg y- basics/10-allergy-myths.htm#page=1

FTFA:
"Allergy straddles the mind-body border," explains Dr. Andrew Weil, a Harvard-trained physician who is a leading authority on alternative medicine. "Emotional stress can precipitate allergic reactions, and relaxation techniques can moderate them. A person who is strongly allergic to roses, for example, may react to the sight of a plastic rose, demonstrating the involvement of the mind and the brain.
 
2014-03-06 02:36:24 PM  
It's only a matter of time before someone throwing a Payday at a little snowflake yields an aggravated assault charge.

Just watch.
 
2014-03-06 02:44:37 PM  

AngryDragon: It's only a matter of time before someone throwing a Payday at a little snowflake yields an aggravated assault charge.

Just watch.


Well, if you're aware that somebody has a peanut allergy, and you're intentionally trying to cause them to have an allergic reaction, or you're trying to kill them, then yeah, that's a crime. Just like i'd imagine if you smeared peanut butter over all the grocery carts at Walmart, you could be charged with a hate crime.

Once you know something will potentially kill somebody, you're not just throwing a simple candy bar at somebody.
 
2014-03-06 03:05:25 PM  

FnkyTwn: AngryDragon: It's only a matter of time before someone throwing a Payday at a little snowflake yields an aggravated assault charge.

Just watch.

Well, if you're aware that somebody has a peanut allergy, and you're intentionally trying to cause them to have an allergic reaction, or you're trying to kill them, then yeah, that's a crime. Just like i'd imagine if you smeared peanut butter over all the grocery carts at Walmart, you could be charged with a hate crime.

Once you know something will potentially kill somebody, you're not just throwing a simple candy bar at somebody.


I wasn't talking about a malicious act any more than this little girl was intending to harm someone with her cheese sandwich.  And it would be LUDICROUS to charge someone like that with a hate crime.
 
2014-03-06 04:17:23 PM  

ryarger: Considering that peanut allergies can cause death...)


If your crotchspawn is so defective that s/he can be killed by exposure normal staple foodstuff, s/he doesn't belong in general population.   Keep your little genetic mistake in a plastic bubble or whatever so the healthy kids can eat normal food.
 
2014-03-06 04:44:39 PM  
RedArny:

In a lot of towns these days you either deal with an HOA or you live in a neighborhood like this:

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Natural disasters don't care if you have an HOA or not.

/Those aren't gang tags
//Urban Search and Rescue information and inventory markings, actually
 
2014-03-06 05:45:28 PM  
Ottawa is just chock-full of obstinate, stubborn, soul-less overpaid bureaucrats.

Think Washington DC but with more snow and of course bilingualism.
 
2014-03-06 10:44:53 PM  

The hopeless imp: enderthexenocide: my dad is allergic to peanut butter and if he smells it, he can have an allergic reaction. he doesn't immediately die, but he'll get a headache and maybe some mild breathing trouble.

That's anxiety, not an allergic reaction. The smell elevates his blood pressure, causing the headache. The "mild breathing trouble" is psychosomatic.


no offense, but i think i'll trust my dad on this.  i'm allergic to dogs and cats, and when i go into a house with dogs and cats i eventually develop a headache and breathing trouble.  that's what allergic reactions are.
 
2014-03-07 08:05:19 AM  

Tatterdemalian: xanadian: I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

When dealing with two-year-olds, it might as well.

Mom: "Don't eat peanuts, or you will get sick and die!"

Friend: "Your mom is a stupid poopy-head. I eat peanuts, and I don't die. Here, have some of mine, just don't tell any of the grown-ups you ate them."

Allergic kid gets sick dies, refusing to the very end to admit to eating his friend's peanuts.

It's probably a lot less verbal when two-year-olds are involved, but the intent and results are still the same.


Some people would say that this is nature's way of removing stupid people (and people with allergies to common things) from the gene pool.
 
2014-03-07 03:46:58 PM  

enderthexenocide: The hopeless imp: enderthexenocide: my dad is allergic to peanut butter and if he smells it, he can have an allergic reaction. he doesn't immediately die, but he'll get a headache and maybe some mild breathing trouble.

That's anxiety, not an allergic reaction. The smell elevates his blood pressure, causing the headache. The "mild breathing trouble" is psychosomatic.

no offense, but i think i'll trust my dad on this.  i'm allergic to dogs and cats, and when i go into a house with dogs and cats i eventually develop a headache and breathing trouble.  that's what allergic reactions are.


I'm not saying he's not allergic. But our sense of smell is a subconscious trigger for memories and even physical responses. Dog and cat dander are airborn. So is peanut dust, which comes from the skin. Once that peanut is turned into peanut butter, there's no dust.
That said, odors CAN irritate the airways. But it's not the same as anaphylactic shock. Okay, so I probably shouldn't have said psychosomatic. But irritation and allergic reaction are different things.
 
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