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(Metronews.ca)   Not news: Child gets automatic suspension for bringing banned item to class. News: It was a cheese sandwich. Fark: She's two years old   (metronews.ca) divider line 138
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2014-03-06 08:11:00 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Onkel Buck: optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.

Thats for all the other kids to follow, this little snowflake in the article is special and entitled.

How about "throw it out and talk to the parents" instead of suspension?



Because the parents are also entitled and if you call them on their BS they'll go to your boss and get your ass fired because your boss doesnt want them to go to his boss . Youre not allowed to tell people they are wrong anymore you are supposed to support their individuality and rebel spirit for disobeying the rules.
 
2014-03-06 08:11:51 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?

What's wrong with that? It's portable and fairly nutricious (provides grain, dairy & protein).


hahahahahahahahaha
 
2014-03-06 08:11:58 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The parents got some kind of problem with the school? Why go through the extra work of making a lunch if it's against the rules in the first place?

Idiots.


this?
 
2014-03-06 08:12:39 AM  
My mom runs a daycare.  She is part of a federal food assistance program.  I guess the Idea is that the .gov invests in childrens nutrition so that infants aren't malnourished or some such.  Anyway, she is not allowed to have outside food either (if she wants to follow the federal rules and get the money), and it has nothing to do with allergies.

I don't see this as the child being suspended, as much as it is, the parents being told to not bring the kid back until they can follow the rules.
 
2014-03-06 08:13:57 AM  
Who wants to bet half teachers there bring Starbucks to work with them? Maybe bring cheese too.
 
2014-03-06 08:15:47 AM  

Peki: optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.

Couldn't tell from the article though if it was all outside food or just peanut butter?

/beats me if there's a cheese with peanut butter in it though

AverageAmericanGuy: The parents got some kind of problem with the school? Why go through the extra work of making a lunch if it's against the rules in the first place?

Idiots.

You win the DNRTFA prize. It wasn't lunch. It was breakfast, but the 2-yo stuck it in her pocket instead of eating it.


I guess you are co-winner of the DNRTFA prize, as the article is very clear that any outside food is a suspension, but peanut butter is an expulsion.
 
2014-03-06 08:16:17 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The parents got some kind of problem with the school? Why go through the extra work of making a lunch if it's against the rules in the first place?

Idiots.


Did you even read the article?
 
2014-03-06 08:17:04 AM  

xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


I think for a long time now that's what actually has been believed by the parents of peanut allergy sufferers and schools, but recent studies have shown that that's not the case and instead it's really just contact exposure mistaken for airborne contact.

Hysteria surrounding peanut allergies is pretty rampant, however if exposure to peanut butter could kill my kid i might be a little hysterical about it too.
 
2014-03-06 08:17:05 AM  
I was married to a high school teacher.
We lived in fishing village.
There were bans on citris, berries, fish, milk products, shellfish(when Dad gets lobster everyday, its cheaper than hotdogs. Its "poor-people" food") and all nuts.
Basically the only thing these kids could eat was french fries, hamgurgers and pop.

CSB
 
2014-03-06 08:17:40 AM  

xanadian: I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


When dealing with two-year-olds, it might as well.

Mom: "Don't eat peanuts, or you will get sick and die!"

Friend: "Your mom is a stupid poopy-head. I eat peanuts, and I don't die. Here, have some of mine, just don't tell any of the grown-ups you ate them."

Allergic kid gets sick dies, refusing to the very end to admit to eating his friend's peanuts.

It's probably a lot less verbal when two-year-olds are involved, but the intent and results are still the same.
 
2014-03-06 08:19:46 AM  

xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


My french isn't very good these days but if this place is really called the center for children of four years, the parents should have though to send their daughter somewhere else.
 
2014-03-06 08:21:13 AM  

Another Government Employee: xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

It can.  I have had a couple of friends get (mostly mild) reactions to an open jar.


I thought the jury was still out on whether or not that is a psychosomatic reaction.
 
2014-03-06 08:22:17 AM  

BMFPitt: In currently looking at preschools for my 3 year old. All the peanut Nazis are right out. Do I need to ask about cheese now, too?


I like telling this story:  (totally unrelated to children, perhaps the mindset/selfishness...but does involve peanuts)

A few years ago I worked for a local IT company doing sales.  We hired a chick fresh out of college as an intern for HR, with a guaranteed full time hire and raise after 6 months.

I am not lying when I say that she, on day one asked the CEO/Owner, and emailed everybody in the office to refrain from bringing in anything peanut related, as she will have "a deadly" reaction.  Of course everyone ignored it, and the CEO got pretty pissed at her, but he let is slide as she was new, fresh out of college, and "didn't know any better."

Fast forward about a week, Monday, 8 in the morning, there are about 6-8 printed signs around the entrance of the office, and in the kitchen asking once again that no one bring in anything that contains peanuts.

Keep in mind, we have a vending machine with some stuff that contains peanuts, as well as a very large pantry of employer provided snack and junk food, some of which contains peanuts.

The CEO walks into the kitchen, sees the signs, and loudly shouts "WHAT THE FARK IS THIS ALL ABOUT...GODDAMMIT MEGAN...WHARGRABBLE!!!"  Miss No-Peanut Princess rounds the corner mid shout and the CEO looks at her, and proceeds to lay into her about self entitlement, personal responsibility, etc. and fired her right there, in the middle of the kitchen, 25' from the sales pit, in front of over 40 sales, engineering, and marketing people.

The look of embarrassment and shame that washed over her was epic.
 
2014-03-06 08:22:47 AM  

smurfnazi: I was married to a high school teacher.
We lived in fishing village.
There were bans on citris, berries, fish, milk products, shellfish(when Dad gets lobster everyday, its cheaper than hotdogs. Its "poor-people" food") and all nuts.
Basically the only thing these kids could eat was french fries, hamgurgers and pop.

CSB


I read that last sentence as "hamgurgers and poop" and wondered if you lived in Germany.
 
2014-03-06 08:22:54 AM  
Ahhh, allergy snowflakes. When my son graduated my wife, a caterer, did the food for the Senior all night party. One of the parents, the mother of the homecoming queen made sure that we and everyone else on the committee knew that her snowflake was allergic to peanuts and that the ice cream bar could not have nuts. I was fine with that, I understood. Because I too am allergic to several things including types of nuts, fish and even beer.

When putting together the snack list for later in the night we asked if we could add individual packaged trail mix (like little Kars travel packs) she said "NO! And don't bring Reese's or snickers either!" At that point I was more than irritated. This girl was about to a attend the states biggest university, she was going to have to learn to watch out for herself. But, my wife gave me "the look" and I kept my mouth shut.

The night of the party another girll came to us and said "I'm allergic to gluten and many different spices, I can't have the taco bar or the pizza, I'm sorry, can I call someone to bring me food or can I get it myself?"

Here's the kicker, the second girl had told the powers that be that she was allergic months prior, nobody paid attention because she wasn't the homecoming queen/valedictorian/queen bee's daughter. I felt awful for her because as a regular kid (one of the poors) no one worried or paid attention to her (WAY harder to avoid) allergy. I drove to our restaurant at 1am and made her a huge meal, gluten and spice free. she never complained and was extremely grateful.

/2years ago, I'm still irritated by the snowflake and her mother
//she has been in college for two years and hasn't died yet, although her mommy may live in the dorm with her

Tl;dr learn to watch out for yourself, don't make your allergy everyone else's problem, I don't
 
2014-03-06 08:23:12 AM  

xanadian: I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


my dad is allergic to peanut butter and if he smells it, he can have an allergic reaction.  he doesn't immediately die, but he'll get a headache and maybe some mild breathing trouble.

d23:  If you have an allergy that bad then maybe you need to stay at home.  I have sympathy for allergies (my life is full of them) but at some accommodation for your disability infringes on the rights of others.  If your kid is going to die if he or she is within 100 yards of peanut butter then maybe you need to make special arrangements.

even thought my dad is allergic to peanut butter, that never stopped our family from having peanut butter in the house.  my brothers and i would have pb&j sandwiches all the time, and my mother makes peanut butter fudge which is the most delicious thing ever.  we simply had it when my dad wasn't home.  he didn't ban it from the house, we just were careful about not exposing him to it.  i think parents today are just so paranoid that they would rather inconvenience everyone else than just make reasonable precautions.
 
2014-03-06 08:24:27 AM  

optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.



The two-year-old offender couldn't read the contract.
 
2014-03-06 08:25:26 AM  

albatros183: xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

My french isn't very good these days but if this place is really called the center for children of four years, the parents should have though to send their daughter somewhere else.


Nope. The name contains "vents" (winds) not "ans" (years).
 
2014-03-06 08:28:03 AM  

enderthexenocide: xanadian: I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

my dad is allergic to peanut butter and if he smells it, he can have an allergic reaction.  he doesn't immediately die, but he'll get a headache and maybe some mild breathing trouble.

d23:  If you have an allergy that bad then maybe you need to stay at home.  I have sympathy for allergies (my life is full of them) but at some accommodation for your disability infringes on the rights of others.  If your kid is going to die if he or she is within 100 yards of peanut butter then maybe you need to make special arrangements.

even thought my dad is allergic to peanut butter, that never stopped our family from having peanut butter in the house.  my brothers and i would have pb&j sandwiches all the time, and my mother makes peanut butter fudge which is the most delicious thing ever.  we simply had it when my dad wasn't home.  he didn't ban it from the house, we just were careful about not exposing him to it.  i think parents today are just so paranoid that they would rather inconvenience everyone else than just make reasonable precautions.


That's how it is with my family. I am allergic to shrimp, so I just had to make sure that I didn't use the same serving spoon as everybody else when they got Chinese takeout. And now I just have to ask about various seafood and ethnic dishes before I eat.
 
2014-03-06 08:29:40 AM  

optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.


Because the teacher could have simply removed the sandwich and reminded the parents that no outside food is allowed due to concerns about allergies.

You know, like a reasonable person would do.
 
2014-03-06 08:30:42 AM  

Another Government Employee: It can. I have had a couple of friends get (mostly mild) reactions to an open jar.


In their mind perhaps.
 
2014-03-06 08:30:50 AM  

Dinobot: [img.fark.net image 600x386]

/Oblig


I see we've got this covered, good work.  Carry on.
 
2014-03-06 08:35:59 AM  
pinkie.ponychan.net

I don't blame them. Who likes polka music?
 
2014-03-06 08:36:20 AM  

Endive Wombat: BMFPitt: In currently looking at preschools for my 3 year old. All the peanut Nazis are right out. Do I need to ask about cheese now, too?

I like telling this story:  (totally unrelated to children, perhaps the mindset/selfishness...but does involve peanuts)

A few years ago I worked for a local IT company doing sales.  We hired a chick fresh out of college as an intern for HR, with a guaranteed full time hire and raise after 6 months.

I am not lying when I say that she, on day one asked the CEO/Owner, and emailed everybody in the office to refrain from bringing in anything peanut related, as she will have "a deadly" reaction.  Of course everyone ignored it, and the CEO got pretty pissed at her, but he let is slide as she was new, fresh out of college, and "didn't know any better."

Fast forward about a week, Monday, 8 in the morning, there are about 6-8 printed signs around the entrance of the office, and in the kitchen asking once again that no one bring in anything that contains peanuts.

Keep in mind, we have a vending machine with some stuff that contains peanuts, as well as a very large pantry of employer provided snack and junk food, some of which contains peanuts.

The CEO walks into the kitchen, sees the signs, and loudly shouts "WHAT THE FARK IS THIS ALL ABOUT...GODDAMMIT MEGAN...WHARGRABBLE!!!"  Miss No-Peanut Princess rounds the corner mid shout and the CEO looks at her, and proceeds to lay into her about self entitlement, personal responsibility, etc. and fired her right there, in the middle of the kitchen, 25' from the sales pit, in front of over 40 sales, engineering, and marketing people.

The look of embarrassment and shame that washed over her was epic.


So she ran straight to a lawyer after that, or to the cops for attempted murder due to the vending machine?
 
2014-03-06 08:36:31 AM  

Danger Mouse: Because the teacher could have simply removed the sandwich and reminded the parents that no outside food is allowed due to concerns about allergies.

You know, like a reasonable person would do.


You do realize that rank-and-file workers get fired for exercising discretion these days, particularly in any type of educational setting?
 
2014-03-06 08:37:26 AM  

Xanlexian: This wouldn't be an issue if abortions were mandatory.


And retroactive for dumbass school administrators.
 
2014-03-06 08:39:21 AM  

Trade Secret: Because I too am allergic to several things including types of nuts, fish and even beer.


I'm not sure whether to heap condolences on you or kindly ask you to vacate the gene pool...
 
2014-03-06 08:39:30 AM  
metronewsca.files.wordpress.com

...Glenn?
 
2014-03-06 08:39:32 AM  

BMFPitt: Endive Wombat: BMFPitt: In currently looking at preschools for my 3 year old. All the peanut Nazis are right out. Do I need to ask about cheese now, too?

I like telling this story:  (totally unrelated to children, perhaps the mindset/selfishness...but does involve peanuts)

A few years ago I worked for a local IT company doing sales.  We hired a chick fresh out of college as an intern for HR, with a guaranteed full time hire and raise after 6 months.

I am not lying when I say that she, on day one asked the CEO/Owner, and emailed everybody in the office to refrain from bringing in anything peanut related, as she will have "a deadly" reaction.  Of course everyone ignored it, and the CEO got pretty pissed at her, but he let is slide as she was new, fresh out of college, and "didn't know any better."

Fast forward about a week, Monday, 8 in the morning, there are about 6-8 printed signs around the entrance of the office, and in the kitchen asking once again that no one bring in anything that contains peanuts.

Keep in mind, we have a vending machine with some stuff that contains peanuts, as well as a very large pantry of employer provided snack and junk food, some of which contains peanuts.

The CEO walks into the kitchen, sees the signs, and loudly shouts "WHAT THE FARK IS THIS ALL ABOUT...GODDAMMIT MEGAN...WHARGRABBLE!!!"  Miss No-Peanut Princess rounds the corner mid shout and the CEO looks at her, and proceeds to lay into her about self entitlement, personal responsibility, etc. and fired her right there, in the middle of the kitchen, 25' from the sales pit, in front of over 40 sales, engineering, and marketing people.

The look of embarrassment and shame that washed over her was epic.

So she ran straight to a lawyer after that, or to the cops for attempted murder due to the vending machine?


She could try to make a case over hostile work environment. But allergies are not covered by the ADA as far as I remember (from a service dog vs. dog allergies discussion).
 
2014-03-06 08:48:05 AM  
Has zero tolerance been an effective tool for something?
 
2014-03-06 08:49:02 AM  

DubtodaIll: Has zero tolerance been an effective tool for something?


Preventing lawsuits? I'd say is very effective.
 
2014-03-06 08:49:19 AM  

Tatterdemalian: xanadian: I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

When dealing with two-year-olds, it might as well.

Mom: "Don't eat peanuts, or you will get sick and die!"

Friend: "Your mom is a stupid poopy-head. I eat peanuts, and I don't die. Here, have some of mine, just don't tell any of the grown-ups you ate them."

Allergic kid gets sick dies, refusing to the very end to admit to eating his friend's peanuts.

It's probably a lot less verbal when two-year-olds are involved, but the intent and results are still the same.


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-06 08:50:28 AM  
Zero Tolerance: Keeping people making rational decisions for 15yrs.
 
2014-03-06 08:51:11 AM  
Coincidence? I think not.

img.fark.net
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-03-06 08:52:45 AM  
www.roflcat.com
 
2014-03-06 08:54:34 AM  
I wonder if my hometown Jif plant's air vented roasters have caused any kids to die yet.  They have twice a week roastings and the whole county (pop +400K) smells oh so wonderful on those days... compare it to a coffee roaster and you get the idea.  Seriously, if the whole town smells like peanuts, don't you think at least -one- of those "special" kids would have died by now?  Granted, it's not the  most highest profile civil crime, but there would be a lawsuit filed by at least one aggrieved parent, wouldn't you think?
 
2014-03-06 08:59:17 AM  
"Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents."

There's the problem right there.  She was probably speaking in that messed up Quebecois version of French.  No wonder the guy didn't understand the rules.
 
2014-03-06 09:01:45 AM  
Isn't the best way to ensure that a kid will have allergies to eliminate exposure to allergens?
 
2014-03-06 09:04:09 AM  

FnkyTwn: xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

I think for a long time now that's what actually has been believed by the parents of peanut allergy sufferers and schools, but recent studies have shown that that's not the case and instead it's really just contact exposure mistaken for airborne contact.

Hysteria surrounding peanut allergies is pretty rampant, however if exposure to peanut butter could kill my kid i might be a little hysterical about it too.


I've witnessed an episode of anaplylactic shock by a child in the same room as a peanut butter sandwich.  She didn't know that a kid two rows behind her had opened a container that had peanut butter in it, but her body sure as hell did.  This was not "panic" or "hysteria", it was an actual, physical reaction.

That said, not ever allergy sufferer has such severe reactions to things, but some do.
 
2014-03-06 09:05:57 AM  

Target Builder: Isn't the best way to ensure that a kid will have allergies to eliminate exposure to allergens?


zakly
 
2014-03-06 09:07:10 AM  

spiritplumber: http://spiritplumber.deviantart.com/art/Zero-Tolerance-427102917


Not bad. The ending reminded me of the old urban legend in which the drug dealer, on the verge of being convicted with masses of airtight evidence, is asked by the judge if he wishes to address the court, and he stands, and whispering loudly into a cuff button, says "Scotty! Beam me up!"

And gets a few years less on his sentence.
 
2014-03-06 09:08:15 AM  

shaddix: Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?

What's wrong with that? It's portable and fairly nutricious (provides grain, dairy & protein).

hahahahahahahahaha


Obviously, you've never tried to feed a 2 year old.  They're not big on balanced meals, they have snacks all day. It's your job as a parent to make sure the snacks all even out in the nutrition department over the course of a week.
 
2014-03-06 09:08:53 AM  
Let's say the guy makes about $20/hour.  Missing three 8 hour days amounts to a $480 fine for a cheese sandwich, a pretty hefty penalty for a simple mistake that had zero potential to harm anyone.

With 7 billion of us and counting, it's way past time to let the more fragile of us - ones with food allergies for example - get Darwin'ed out.
 
2014-03-06 09:09:47 AM  

Onkel Buck: PC LOAD LETTER: Onkel Buck: optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.

Thats for all the other kids to follow, this little snowflake in the article is special and entitled.

How about "throw it out and talk to the parents" instead of suspension?


Because the parents are also entitled and if you call them on their BS they'll go to your boss and get your ass fired because your boss doesnt want them to go to his boss . Youre not allowed to tell people they are wrong anymore you are supposed to support their individuality and rebel spirit for disobeying the rules.


This is correct and this is also why I hope Soylent Green was a predictive documentary and The White Plague was an instruction manual.

I'd say "I don't want to live on this planet anymore", except that space program cutbacks have made even that option moot. Further confinement to this giant Skinner box appears inevitable.
 
2014-03-06 09:15:03 AM  

Dr. Whoof: Trade Secret: Because I too am allergic to several things including types of nuts, fish and even beer.

I'm not sure whether to heap condolences on you or kindly ask you to vacate the gene pool...


I always enjoyed a beer, especially after mowing the lawn, but I kept having bad-ass hay fever after I mowed, come to find out it was the beer. Some types of wine also make it so my lungs freak out and I have to use an inhaler. Not sure what the true cause is but I stay away from beer and wine and stick to scotch and "the reefer"

/can still taste beer if I think about it...I miss it on hot days for sure
/my kids have zero allergies
// so condolences it is
 
2014-03-06 09:15:35 AM  
That's nothing. I've seen people hack, cough, and nearly barf up a lung from merely seeing a cigarette 100 yards away.

/this is what happens when you use the Quebec side of Ottawa instead of the Ontario side
//+1 for the dad staying home instead of sending her back there
 
2014-03-06 09:19:12 AM  

albatros183: -language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.


The 4 Winds Children's Center is how it translates.
 
2014-03-06 09:25:38 AM  
Glad to see  the US is exporting the prison industrial complex.

goddammitsomuch!
 
2014-03-06 09:40:24 AM  
Wait, I never sent my daughter to school when she was 2 years old. Did I miss something?
 
2014-03-06 09:45:06 AM  

SDRR: StrikitRich: Is the pre-school run by an HOA?


/in before the anti-HOA hillbillies

[cutelypoisoned.files.wordpress.com image 377x603]


He's not even trolling though.

In a lot of towns these days you either deal with an HOA or you live in a neighborhood like this:

andieswhirl.files.wordpress.com
 
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