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2014-03-06 12:52:03 AM  
www.outsidethebeltway.com
 
2014-03-06 01:08:31 AM  
If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.
 
2014-03-06 01:13:25 AM  
Now that's what I call lactose intolerance.
 
2014-03-06 01:25:43 AM  
The parents got some kind of problem with the school? Why go through the extra work of making a lunch if it's against the rules in the first place?

Idiots.
 
2014-03-06 02:17:26 AM  

optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.


Couldn't tell from the article though if it was all outside food or just peanut butter?

/beats me if there's a cheese with peanut butter in it though

AverageAmericanGuy: The parents got some kind of problem with the school? Why go through the extra work of making a lunch if it's against the rules in the first place?

Idiots.


You win the DNRTFA prize. It wasn't lunch. It was breakfast, but the 2-yo stuck it in her pocket instead of eating it.
 
2014-03-06 02:32:18 AM  
Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?
 
2014-03-06 03:26:04 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?


What's wrong with that? It's portable and fairly nutricious (provides grain, dairy & protein).
 
2014-03-06 03:58:00 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?


Preferable to a pop-tart, I'd say.
 
2014-03-06 05:09:45 AM  
She truly is a muenster.
 
2014-03-06 05:53:37 AM  
Idiocracy really was a documentary.
 
2014-03-06 06:33:21 AM  
Is the pre-school run by an HOA?


/in before the anti-HOA hillbillies
 
2014-03-06 07:32:08 AM  
I've got something planned, which is
Little cheese sandwiches! Come on!

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-06 07:36:54 AM  
This thread is pretty epic so far. Keep 'em coming!
 
2014-03-06 07:37:00 AM  
FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?
 
2014-03-06 07:40:34 AM  
Meh. Honest mistake, but they agreed beforehand to the rules. Best of luck to them finding a better care provider that allows cheese.
 
2014-03-06 07:41:02 AM  
At the age of 2, the suspension is punishment against the parent, not the child. The child isn't going to care.

Yes, it was an accident, but having to take personal time for three days to watch little Sally would teach me to make sure she doesn't slip any more food into her pockets.

On the other hand, this leading to one more parent taking the time to raise their own child is probably a good thing.
 
2014-03-06 07:41:03 AM  
But was she hot?

HAY... get out of my seat!
 
2014-03-06 07:41:45 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?

What's wrong with that? It's portable and fairly nutricious (provides grain, dairy & protein).


But not as good for you as chocolate cake

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2014-03-06 07:43:10 AM  
They were probably upset because it was American cheese, and everyone hates America.
 
2014-03-06 07:43:10 AM  
img.fark.net

/Oblig
 
2014-03-06 07:43:21 AM  
In currently looking at preschools for my 3 year old. All the peanut Nazis are right out. Do I need to ask about cheese now, too?
 
2014-03-06 07:43:26 AM  
This woman has a bright future ahead of her in school administration.
 
2014-03-06 07:43:46 AM  

Peki: optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.

Couldn't tell from the article though if it was all outside food or just peanut butter?

/beats me if there's a cheese with peanut butter in it though

AverageAmericanGuy: The parents got some kind of problem with the school? Why go through the extra work of making a lunch if it's against the rules in the first place?

Idiots.

You win the DNRTFA prize. It wasn't lunch. It was breakfast, but the 2-yo stuck it in her pocket instead of eating it.


The peanut butter thing was poor writing. It was an example of another, more drastic rule, of the daycare - automatic expulsion if found with peanut butter. (Considering that peanut allergies can cause death...)

The child in this case was merely suspended.
 
2014-03-06 07:46:18 AM  
The little girl was probably not going to get into Harvard anyway. Two might be a little early to shatter that dream, but on the plus side, anytime a future teacher threatens to put something on her permanent record, she can poke a chubby little middle finger in the teacher's face and laugh, "It's already ruined!"
 
2014-03-06 07:46:26 AM  
 
2014-03-06 07:48:04 AM  

xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


It can.  I have had a couple of friends get (mostly mild) reactions to an open jar.
 
2014-03-06 07:48:22 AM  

zamboni: Now that's what I call lactose intolerance.


Nice.

That said, I feel that all children should be hunted with EpiPens and the ones that get up again get to live.
 
2014-03-06 07:49:07 AM  
I more impressed that the 2 yo put it in her pocket instead of stuffing behind the car seat only to be found when Dad had to track down what was stinking up the car.
 
2014-03-06 07:52:24 AM  

StrikitRich: Is the pre-school run by an HOA?


/in before the anti-HOA hillbillies


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2014-03-06 07:53:30 AM  
Parent neglects to read documents he signs, then whines about the consequences. That child is doomed anyway.
 
2014-03-06 07:54:54 AM  
America, the land of zero tolerance.

Sometimes I think I should just move to Canada.

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2014-03-06 07:55:05 AM  
It's gateway packing If you let them pack the cheese in daycare, by kindergarten, they're packing fudge.
 
2014-03-06 07:55:39 AM  

optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.


Thats for all the other kids to follow, this little snowflake in the article is special and entitled.
 
2014-03-06 07:57:16 AM  

BMFPitt: In currently looking at preschools for my 3 year old. All the peanut Nazis are right out. Do I need to ask about cheese now, too?


If I were to have kids, I'd probably found a free range Darwin Academy.
Anything goes with the food, and if you have a "Pre-existing" condition, no preschool for you.

And the Tee ball team would kick all the other preschools' asses.
 
2014-03-06 07:58:14 AM  

xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


Even the hearing the word 'peanut' or peanut butter' is enough to kill some sensitive children.

Why do you hate children?
 
2014-03-06 07:58:34 AM  
Bout time we crackdown on the two year old menaces.
 
2014-03-06 07:59:20 AM  
That'll teach the little biatch.
 
2014-03-06 08:00:14 AM  

StrikitRich: Is the pre-school run by an HOA?


/in before the anti-HOA hillbillies


No its run by French people, even worse.
 
2014-03-06 08:01:03 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: It's gateway packing If you let them pack the cheese in daycare, by kindergarten, they're packing fudge.


Bigot much?
 
2014-03-06 08:01:09 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

Even the hearing the word 'peanut' or peanut butter' is enough to kill some sensitive children.

Why do you hate children?


If you have an allergy that bad then maybe you need to stay at home.  I have sympathy for allergies (my life is full of them) but at some accommodation for your disability infringes on the rights of others.  If your kid is going to die if he or she is within 100 yards of peanut butter then maybe you need to make special arrangements.
 
2014-03-06 08:02:02 AM  

MindStalker: StrikitRich: Is the pre-school run by an HOA?


/in before the anti-HOA hillbillies

No its run by French people, even worse.


Next time she needs to bring wine too
 
2014-03-06 08:02:20 AM  
"This was purely accidental by a two-year-old."

Sure. Blame the kid...
 
2014-03-06 08:03:19 AM  

Onkel Buck: optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.

Thats for all the other kids to follow, this little snowflake in the article is special and entitled.


How about "throw it out and talk to the parents" instead of suspension?
 
2014-03-06 08:04:20 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?


He's starting the kid off early... soon the kid will be as big as he is
 
2014-03-06 08:04:21 AM  
Full automatic cheese sandwich up in here, with tomato soup silencer, and bonus 2% milk for added accuracy, it's good for to hit your bones.
 
2014-03-06 08:04:59 AM  
This wouldn't be an issue if abortions were mandatory.
 
2014-03-06 08:05:30 AM  
Zero Tolerance policies are stupid and ridiculous.

And you agreed to it Dad.
 
2014-03-06 08:05:41 AM  
My children go to preschool where two weeks a year each child has to bring snacks. Cheese is perfectly fine to bring, but nuts aren't. Don't get the biatchiness in this one.
 
2014-03-06 08:06:36 AM  
"Upon enrolment, parents must sign a contract which they review and we review with them, and this contract specifically mentions that we have zero tolerance," she said.

Don't sign stupid contracts like this. That fact that they actually used the phrase "zero tolerance" in a contract proves that their staff is incapable of making intelligent, reasonable decisions. What I'm trying to say is: find another daycare.

I used to think that the most charitable explanation for all these zero tolerance policies was insurance liability but I really think the people who make these rules are just pants-on-head retarded.
 
2014-03-06 08:10:51 AM  
You never hear about all the cheese sandwich smuggling that goes right. Just the ones that go wrong
 
2014-03-06 08:11:00 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Onkel Buck: optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.

Thats for all the other kids to follow, this little snowflake in the article is special and entitled.

How about "throw it out and talk to the parents" instead of suspension?



Because the parents are also entitled and if you call them on their BS they'll go to your boss and get your ass fired because your boss doesnt want them to go to his boss . Youre not allowed to tell people they are wrong anymore you are supposed to support their individuality and rebel spirit for disobeying the rules.
 
2014-03-06 08:11:51 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?

What's wrong with that? It's portable and fairly nutricious (provides grain, dairy & protein).


hahahahahahahahaha
 
2014-03-06 08:11:58 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The parents got some kind of problem with the school? Why go through the extra work of making a lunch if it's against the rules in the first place?

Idiots.


this?
 
2014-03-06 08:12:39 AM  
My mom runs a daycare.  She is part of a federal food assistance program.  I guess the Idea is that the .gov invests in childrens nutrition so that infants aren't malnourished or some such.  Anyway, she is not allowed to have outside food either (if she wants to follow the federal rules and get the money), and it has nothing to do with allergies.

I don't see this as the child being suspended, as much as it is, the parents being told to not bring the kid back until they can follow the rules.
 
2014-03-06 08:13:57 AM  
Who wants to bet half teachers there bring Starbucks to work with them? Maybe bring cheese too.
 
2014-03-06 08:15:47 AM  

Peki: optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.

Couldn't tell from the article though if it was all outside food or just peanut butter?

/beats me if there's a cheese with peanut butter in it though

AverageAmericanGuy: The parents got some kind of problem with the school? Why go through the extra work of making a lunch if it's against the rules in the first place?

Idiots.

You win the DNRTFA prize. It wasn't lunch. It was breakfast, but the 2-yo stuck it in her pocket instead of eating it.


I guess you are co-winner of the DNRTFA prize, as the article is very clear that any outside food is a suspension, but peanut butter is an expulsion.
 
2014-03-06 08:16:17 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The parents got some kind of problem with the school? Why go through the extra work of making a lunch if it's against the rules in the first place?

Idiots.


Did you even read the article?
 
2014-03-06 08:17:04 AM  

xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


I think for a long time now that's what actually has been believed by the parents of peanut allergy sufferers and schools, but recent studies have shown that that's not the case and instead it's really just contact exposure mistaken for airborne contact.

Hysteria surrounding peanut allergies is pretty rampant, however if exposure to peanut butter could kill my kid i might be a little hysterical about it too.
 
2014-03-06 08:17:05 AM  
I was married to a high school teacher.
We lived in fishing village.
There were bans on citris, berries, fish, milk products, shellfish(when Dad gets lobster everyday, its cheaper than hotdogs. Its "poor-people" food") and all nuts.
Basically the only thing these kids could eat was french fries, hamgurgers and pop.

CSB
 
2014-03-06 08:17:40 AM  

xanadian: I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


When dealing with two-year-olds, it might as well.

Mom: "Don't eat peanuts, or you will get sick and die!"

Friend: "Your mom is a stupid poopy-head. I eat peanuts, and I don't die. Here, have some of mine, just don't tell any of the grown-ups you ate them."

Allergic kid gets sick dies, refusing to the very end to admit to eating his friend's peanuts.

It's probably a lot less verbal when two-year-olds are involved, but the intent and results are still the same.
 
2014-03-06 08:19:46 AM  

xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


My french isn't very good these days but if this place is really called the center for children of four years, the parents should have though to send their daughter somewhere else.
 
2014-03-06 08:21:13 AM  

Another Government Employee: xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

It can.  I have had a couple of friends get (mostly mild) reactions to an open jar.


I thought the jury was still out on whether or not that is a psychosomatic reaction.
 
2014-03-06 08:22:17 AM  

BMFPitt: In currently looking at preschools for my 3 year old. All the peanut Nazis are right out. Do I need to ask about cheese now, too?


I like telling this story:  (totally unrelated to children, perhaps the mindset/selfishness...but does involve peanuts)

A few years ago I worked for a local IT company doing sales.  We hired a chick fresh out of college as an intern for HR, with a guaranteed full time hire and raise after 6 months.

I am not lying when I say that she, on day one asked the CEO/Owner, and emailed everybody in the office to refrain from bringing in anything peanut related, as she will have "a deadly" reaction.  Of course everyone ignored it, and the CEO got pretty pissed at her, but he let is slide as she was new, fresh out of college, and "didn't know any better."

Fast forward about a week, Monday, 8 in the morning, there are about 6-8 printed signs around the entrance of the office, and in the kitchen asking once again that no one bring in anything that contains peanuts.

Keep in mind, we have a vending machine with some stuff that contains peanuts, as well as a very large pantry of employer provided snack and junk food, some of which contains peanuts.

The CEO walks into the kitchen, sees the signs, and loudly shouts "WHAT THE FARK IS THIS ALL ABOUT...GODDAMMIT MEGAN...WHARGRABBLE!!!"  Miss No-Peanut Princess rounds the corner mid shout and the CEO looks at her, and proceeds to lay into her about self entitlement, personal responsibility, etc. and fired her right there, in the middle of the kitchen, 25' from the sales pit, in front of over 40 sales, engineering, and marketing people.

The look of embarrassment and shame that washed over her was epic.
 
2014-03-06 08:22:47 AM  

smurfnazi: I was married to a high school teacher.
We lived in fishing village.
There were bans on citris, berries, fish, milk products, shellfish(when Dad gets lobster everyday, its cheaper than hotdogs. Its "poor-people" food") and all nuts.
Basically the only thing these kids could eat was french fries, hamgurgers and pop.

CSB


I read that last sentence as "hamgurgers and poop" and wondered if you lived in Germany.
 
2014-03-06 08:22:54 AM  
Ahhh, allergy snowflakes. When my son graduated my wife, a caterer, did the food for the Senior all night party. One of the parents, the mother of the homecoming queen made sure that we and everyone else on the committee knew that her snowflake was allergic to peanuts and that the ice cream bar could not have nuts. I was fine with that, I understood. Because I too am allergic to several things including types of nuts, fish and even beer.

When putting together the snack list for later in the night we asked if we could add individual packaged trail mix (like little Kars travel packs) she said "NO! And don't bring Reese's or snickers either!" At that point I was more than irritated. This girl was about to a attend the states biggest university, she was going to have to learn to watch out for herself. But, my wife gave me "the look" and I kept my mouth shut.

The night of the party another girll came to us and said "I'm allergic to gluten and many different spices, I can't have the taco bar or the pizza, I'm sorry, can I call someone to bring me food or can I get it myself?"

Here's the kicker, the second girl had told the powers that be that she was allergic months prior, nobody paid attention because she wasn't the homecoming queen/valedictorian/queen bee's daughter. I felt awful for her because as a regular kid (one of the poors) no one worried or paid attention to her (WAY harder to avoid) allergy. I drove to our restaurant at 1am and made her a huge meal, gluten and spice free. she never complained and was extremely grateful.

/2years ago, I'm still irritated by the snowflake and her mother
//she has been in college for two years and hasn't died yet, although her mommy may live in the dorm with her

Tl;dr learn to watch out for yourself, don't make your allergy everyone else's problem, I don't
 
2014-03-06 08:23:12 AM  

xanadian: I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


my dad is allergic to peanut butter and if he smells it, he can have an allergic reaction.  he doesn't immediately die, but he'll get a headache and maybe some mild breathing trouble.

d23:  If you have an allergy that bad then maybe you need to stay at home.  I have sympathy for allergies (my life is full of them) but at some accommodation for your disability infringes on the rights of others.  If your kid is going to die if he or she is within 100 yards of peanut butter then maybe you need to make special arrangements.

even thought my dad is allergic to peanut butter, that never stopped our family from having peanut butter in the house.  my brothers and i would have pb&j sandwiches all the time, and my mother makes peanut butter fudge which is the most delicious thing ever.  we simply had it when my dad wasn't home.  he didn't ban it from the house, we just were careful about not exposing him to it.  i think parents today are just so paranoid that they would rather inconvenience everyone else than just make reasonable precautions.
 
2014-03-06 08:24:27 AM  

optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.



The two-year-old offender couldn't read the contract.
 
2014-03-06 08:25:26 AM  

albatros183: xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

My french isn't very good these days but if this place is really called the center for children of four years, the parents should have though to send their daughter somewhere else.


Nope. The name contains "vents" (winds) not "ans" (years).
 
2014-03-06 08:28:03 AM  

enderthexenocide: xanadian: I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

my dad is allergic to peanut butter and if he smells it, he can have an allergic reaction.  he doesn't immediately die, but he'll get a headache and maybe some mild breathing trouble.

d23:  If you have an allergy that bad then maybe you need to stay at home.  I have sympathy for allergies (my life is full of them) but at some accommodation for your disability infringes on the rights of others.  If your kid is going to die if he or she is within 100 yards of peanut butter then maybe you need to make special arrangements.

even thought my dad is allergic to peanut butter, that never stopped our family from having peanut butter in the house.  my brothers and i would have pb&j sandwiches all the time, and my mother makes peanut butter fudge which is the most delicious thing ever.  we simply had it when my dad wasn't home.  he didn't ban it from the house, we just were careful about not exposing him to it.  i think parents today are just so paranoid that they would rather inconvenience everyone else than just make reasonable precautions.


That's how it is with my family. I am allergic to shrimp, so I just had to make sure that I didn't use the same serving spoon as everybody else when they got Chinese takeout. And now I just have to ask about various seafood and ethnic dishes before I eat.
 
2014-03-06 08:29:40 AM  

optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.


Because the teacher could have simply removed the sandwich and reminded the parents that no outside food is allowed due to concerns about allergies.

You know, like a reasonable person would do.
 
2014-03-06 08:30:42 AM  

Another Government Employee: It can. I have had a couple of friends get (mostly mild) reactions to an open jar.


In their mind perhaps.
 
2014-03-06 08:30:50 AM  

Dinobot: [img.fark.net image 600x386]

/Oblig


I see we've got this covered, good work.  Carry on.
 
2014-03-06 08:35:59 AM  
pinkie.ponychan.net

I don't blame them. Who likes polka music?
 
2014-03-06 08:36:20 AM  

Endive Wombat: BMFPitt: In currently looking at preschools for my 3 year old. All the peanut Nazis are right out. Do I need to ask about cheese now, too?

I like telling this story:  (totally unrelated to children, perhaps the mindset/selfishness...but does involve peanuts)

A few years ago I worked for a local IT company doing sales.  We hired a chick fresh out of college as an intern for HR, with a guaranteed full time hire and raise after 6 months.

I am not lying when I say that she, on day one asked the CEO/Owner, and emailed everybody in the office to refrain from bringing in anything peanut related, as she will have "a deadly" reaction.  Of course everyone ignored it, and the CEO got pretty pissed at her, but he let is slide as she was new, fresh out of college, and "didn't know any better."

Fast forward about a week, Monday, 8 in the morning, there are about 6-8 printed signs around the entrance of the office, and in the kitchen asking once again that no one bring in anything that contains peanuts.

Keep in mind, we have a vending machine with some stuff that contains peanuts, as well as a very large pantry of employer provided snack and junk food, some of which contains peanuts.

The CEO walks into the kitchen, sees the signs, and loudly shouts "WHAT THE FARK IS THIS ALL ABOUT...GODDAMMIT MEGAN...WHARGRABBLE!!!"  Miss No-Peanut Princess rounds the corner mid shout and the CEO looks at her, and proceeds to lay into her about self entitlement, personal responsibility, etc. and fired her right there, in the middle of the kitchen, 25' from the sales pit, in front of over 40 sales, engineering, and marketing people.

The look of embarrassment and shame that washed over her was epic.


So she ran straight to a lawyer after that, or to the cops for attempted murder due to the vending machine?
 
2014-03-06 08:36:31 AM  

Danger Mouse: Because the teacher could have simply removed the sandwich and reminded the parents that no outside food is allowed due to concerns about allergies.

You know, like a reasonable person would do.


You do realize that rank-and-file workers get fired for exercising discretion these days, particularly in any type of educational setting?
 
2014-03-06 08:37:26 AM  

Xanlexian: This wouldn't be an issue if abortions were mandatory.


And retroactive for dumbass school administrators.
 
2014-03-06 08:39:21 AM  

Trade Secret: Because I too am allergic to several things including types of nuts, fish and even beer.


I'm not sure whether to heap condolences on you or kindly ask you to vacate the gene pool...
 
2014-03-06 08:39:30 AM  
metronewsca.files.wordpress.com

...Glenn?
 
2014-03-06 08:39:32 AM  

BMFPitt: Endive Wombat: BMFPitt: In currently looking at preschools for my 3 year old. All the peanut Nazis are right out. Do I need to ask about cheese now, too?

I like telling this story:  (totally unrelated to children, perhaps the mindset/selfishness...but does involve peanuts)

A few years ago I worked for a local IT company doing sales.  We hired a chick fresh out of college as an intern for HR, with a guaranteed full time hire and raise after 6 months.

I am not lying when I say that she, on day one asked the CEO/Owner, and emailed everybody in the office to refrain from bringing in anything peanut related, as she will have "a deadly" reaction.  Of course everyone ignored it, and the CEO got pretty pissed at her, but he let is slide as she was new, fresh out of college, and "didn't know any better."

Fast forward about a week, Monday, 8 in the morning, there are about 6-8 printed signs around the entrance of the office, and in the kitchen asking once again that no one bring in anything that contains peanuts.

Keep in mind, we have a vending machine with some stuff that contains peanuts, as well as a very large pantry of employer provided snack and junk food, some of which contains peanuts.

The CEO walks into the kitchen, sees the signs, and loudly shouts "WHAT THE FARK IS THIS ALL ABOUT...GODDAMMIT MEGAN...WHARGRABBLE!!!"  Miss No-Peanut Princess rounds the corner mid shout and the CEO looks at her, and proceeds to lay into her about self entitlement, personal responsibility, etc. and fired her right there, in the middle of the kitchen, 25' from the sales pit, in front of over 40 sales, engineering, and marketing people.

The look of embarrassment and shame that washed over her was epic.

So she ran straight to a lawyer after that, or to the cops for attempted murder due to the vending machine?


She could try to make a case over hostile work environment. But allergies are not covered by the ADA as far as I remember (from a service dog vs. dog allergies discussion).
 
2014-03-06 08:48:05 AM  
Has zero tolerance been an effective tool for something?
 
2014-03-06 08:49:02 AM  

DubtodaIll: Has zero tolerance been an effective tool for something?


Preventing lawsuits? I'd say is very effective.
 
2014-03-06 08:49:19 AM  

Tatterdemalian: xanadian: I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

When dealing with two-year-olds, it might as well.

Mom: "Don't eat peanuts, or you will get sick and die!"

Friend: "Your mom is a stupid poopy-head. I eat peanuts, and I don't die. Here, have some of mine, just don't tell any of the grown-ups you ate them."

Allergic kid gets sick dies, refusing to the very end to admit to eating his friend's peanuts.

It's probably a lot less verbal when two-year-olds are involved, but the intent and results are still the same.


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-06 08:50:28 AM  
Zero Tolerance: Keeping people making rational decisions for 15yrs.
 
2014-03-06 08:51:11 AM  
Coincidence? I think not.

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-06 08:52:45 AM  
www.roflcat.com
 
2014-03-06 08:54:34 AM  
I wonder if my hometown Jif plant's air vented roasters have caused any kids to die yet.  They have twice a week roastings and the whole county (pop +400K) smells oh so wonderful on those days... compare it to a coffee roaster and you get the idea.  Seriously, if the whole town smells like peanuts, don't you think at least -one- of those "special" kids would have died by now?  Granted, it's not the  most highest profile civil crime, but there would be a lawsuit filed by at least one aggrieved parent, wouldn't you think?
 
2014-03-06 08:59:17 AM  
"Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents."

There's the problem right there.  She was probably speaking in that messed up Quebecois version of French.  No wonder the guy didn't understand the rules.
 
2014-03-06 09:01:45 AM  
Isn't the best way to ensure that a kid will have allergies to eliminate exposure to allergens?
 
2014-03-06 09:04:09 AM  

FnkyTwn: xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

I think for a long time now that's what actually has been believed by the parents of peanut allergy sufferers and schools, but recent studies have shown that that's not the case and instead it's really just contact exposure mistaken for airborne contact.

Hysteria surrounding peanut allergies is pretty rampant, however if exposure to peanut butter could kill my kid i might be a little hysterical about it too.


I've witnessed an episode of anaplylactic shock by a child in the same room as a peanut butter sandwich.  She didn't know that a kid two rows behind her had opened a container that had peanut butter in it, but her body sure as hell did.  This was not "panic" or "hysteria", it was an actual, physical reaction.

That said, not ever allergy sufferer has such severe reactions to things, but some do.
 
2014-03-06 09:05:57 AM  

Target Builder: Isn't the best way to ensure that a kid will have allergies to eliminate exposure to allergens?


zakly
 
2014-03-06 09:07:10 AM  

spiritplumber: http://spiritplumber.deviantart.com/art/Zero-Tolerance-427102917


Not bad. The ending reminded me of the old urban legend in which the drug dealer, on the verge of being convicted with masses of airtight evidence, is asked by the judge if he wishes to address the court, and he stands, and whispering loudly into a cuff button, says "Scotty! Beam me up!"

And gets a few years less on his sentence.
 
2014-03-06 09:08:15 AM  

shaddix: Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?

What's wrong with that? It's portable and fairly nutricious (provides grain, dairy & protein).

hahahahahahahahaha


Obviously, you've never tried to feed a 2 year old.  They're not big on balanced meals, they have snacks all day. It's your job as a parent to make sure the snacks all even out in the nutrition department over the course of a week.
 
2014-03-06 09:08:53 AM  
Let's say the guy makes about $20/hour.  Missing three 8 hour days amounts to a $480 fine for a cheese sandwich, a pretty hefty penalty for a simple mistake that had zero potential to harm anyone.

With 7 billion of us and counting, it's way past time to let the more fragile of us - ones with food allergies for example - get Darwin'ed out.
 
2014-03-06 09:09:47 AM  

Onkel Buck: PC LOAD LETTER: Onkel Buck: optikeye: If the daycare says "no outside food allowed" I fail to see why this is an issue at all.

Thats for all the other kids to follow, this little snowflake in the article is special and entitled.

How about "throw it out and talk to the parents" instead of suspension?


Because the parents are also entitled and if you call them on their BS they'll go to your boss and get your ass fired because your boss doesnt want them to go to his boss . Youre not allowed to tell people they are wrong anymore you are supposed to support their individuality and rebel spirit for disobeying the rules.


This is correct and this is also why I hope Soylent Green was a predictive documentary and The White Plague was an instruction manual.

I'd say "I don't want to live on this planet anymore", except that space program cutbacks have made even that option moot. Further confinement to this giant Skinner box appears inevitable.
 
2014-03-06 09:15:03 AM  

Dr. Whoof: Trade Secret: Because I too am allergic to several things including types of nuts, fish and even beer.

I'm not sure whether to heap condolences on you or kindly ask you to vacate the gene pool...


I always enjoyed a beer, especially after mowing the lawn, but I kept having bad-ass hay fever after I mowed, come to find out it was the beer. Some types of wine also make it so my lungs freak out and I have to use an inhaler. Not sure what the true cause is but I stay away from beer and wine and stick to scotch and "the reefer"

/can still taste beer if I think about it...I miss it on hot days for sure
/my kids have zero allergies
// so condolences it is
 
2014-03-06 09:15:35 AM  
That's nothing. I've seen people hack, cough, and nearly barf up a lung from merely seeing a cigarette 100 yards away.

/this is what happens when you use the Quebec side of Ottawa instead of the Ontario side
//+1 for the dad staying home instead of sending her back there
 
2014-03-06 09:19:12 AM  

albatros183: -language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.


The 4 Winds Children's Center is how it translates.
 
2014-03-06 09:25:38 AM  
Glad to see  the US is exporting the prison industrial complex.

goddammitsomuch!
 
2014-03-06 09:40:24 AM  
Wait, I never sent my daughter to school when she was 2 years old. Did I miss something?
 
2014-03-06 09:45:06 AM  

SDRR: StrikitRich: Is the pre-school run by an HOA?


/in before the anti-HOA hillbillies

[cutelypoisoned.files.wordpress.com image 377x603]


He's not even trolling though.

In a lot of towns these days you either deal with an HOA or you live in a neighborhood like this:

andieswhirl.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-06 09:53:16 AM  

MadMattressMack: Wait, I never sent my daughter to school when she was 2 years old. Did I miss something?


Yes, the fact that it is a daycare center, not an actual public school. Subby is bad and should feel bad.
 
gja
2014-03-06 09:54:33 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?


Who is anyone to say where taste is concerned. It has nutritional value and isn't junky.
 
2014-03-06 10:03:48 AM  

enderthexenocide: my dad is allergic to peanut butter and if he smells it, he can have an allergic reaction. he doesn't immediately die, but he'll get a headache and maybe some mild breathing trouble.


That's anxiety, not an allergic reaction. The smell elevates his blood pressure, causing the headache. The "mild breathing trouble" is psychosomatic.
 
2014-03-06 10:07:23 AM  
DanZero:

Since it's Quebec, it's pronounced "oo-trahj".
 
2014-03-06 10:20:52 AM  

hasty ambush: Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?

What's wrong with that? It's portable and fairly nutricious (provides grain, dairy & protein).

But not as good for you as chocolate cake

[images.elephantjournal.com image 420x324]

[rlv.zcache.com image 512x512]


That's one of my favorite Bill Cosby bits.
 
2014-03-06 10:34:32 AM  
Do you know what they call a cheese sandwich in Ottawa?
 
2014-03-06 10:37:44 AM  

Literally Addicted: shaddix: Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Dad gave a 2 year old a cheese sandwich for breakfast?

What's wrong with that? It's portable and fairly nutricious (provides grain, dairy & protein).

hahahahahahahahaha

Obviously, you've never tried to feed a 2 year old.  They're not big on balanced meals, they have snacks all day. It's your job as a parent to make sure the snacks all even out in the nutrition department over the course of a week.


Exactly. And if the sandwich is made with a whole grain bread and real cheese instead of those processed cheese food slices (i.e. American cheese) you've made a decent snack for a child that age.
 
2014-03-06 10:38:07 AM  
A cheese sandwich is a cheese sandwich but they call it "Le Cheese Sandwich".
 
2014-03-06 10:41:47 AM  

GDubDub: Danger Mouse: Because the teacher could have simply removed the sandwich and reminded the parents that no outside food is allowed due to concerns about allergies.

You know, like a reasonable person would do.

You do realize that rank-and-file workers get fired for exercising discretion these days, particularly in any type of educational setting?


This is a private day care facility. They have a bit more discretion.  But yes, the 0 tolerance trend is insanely stupid.
 
2014-03-06 10:51:34 AM  

Danger Mouse: GDubDub: Danger Mouse: Because the teacher could have simply removed the sandwich and reminded the parents that no outside food is allowed due to concerns about allergies.

You know, like a reasonable person would do.

You do realize that rank-and-file workers get fired for exercising discretion these days, particularly in any type of educational setting?

This is a private day care facility. They have a bit more discretion.  But yes, the 0 tolerance trend is insanely stupid.


If this dad is the kind of guy who would run to the media with this, I get a feeling this isn't this guys first incident with the people who run this school. Private daycares aren't in the business of pushing paying customers out. Usually they have to wait until problem children/parents give them a reason to take action.
 
2014-03-06 10:52:29 AM  

Literally Addicted: FnkyTwn: xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

I think for a long time now that's what actually has been believed by the parents of peanut allergy sufferers and schools, but recent studies have shown that that's not the case and instead it's really just contact exposure mistaken for airborne contact.

Hysteria surrounding peanut allergies is pretty rampant, however if exposure to peanut butter could kill my kid i might be a little hysterical about it too.

I've witnessed an episode of anaplylactic shock by a child in the same room as a peanut butter sandwich.  She didn't know that a kid two rows behind her had opened a container that had peanut butter in it, but her body sure as hell did.  This was not "panic" or "hysteria", it was an actual, physical reaction.

That said, not ever allergy sufferer has such severe reactions to things, but some do.


Actually, I think controlled studies have shown that she actually had some sort of physical contact with the substance, either on a desk or on another student. It's not like she had a big dollop of peanut butter put on her, but literally the tiniest contact with it would set her off. It "appears" as if it's airborne because you're not actually seeing the contact, and then you just assume it's due to the sandwich, but controlled studies have shown it's not from the sandwich simply being present. Now did somebody have a mouthful of sandwich and then sneeze at her? Maybe?

If it was in the air then nobody with the allergy could live in the state of Georgia. There would be massive clouds of invisible death floating around in New Mexico, Texas and Oklahoma, where most of our peanuts come from, and that's not the case. Places that process peanuts don't have some sort of special air-capture-recondition system, so it would be constantly wafting out of factories that process and produce peanuts and you'd know about that because it would be national news.
 
2014-03-06 10:58:32 AM  

The Homer Tax: Danger Mouse: GDubDub: Danger Mouse: Because the teacher could have simply removed the sandwich and reminded the parents that no outside food is allowed due to concerns about allergies.

You know, like a reasonable person would do.

You do realize that rank-and-file workers get fired for exercising discretion these days, particularly in any type of educational setting?

This is a private day care facility. They have a bit more discretion.  But yes, the 0 tolerance trend is insanely stupid.

If this dad is the kind of guy who would run to the media with this, I get a feeling this isn't this guys first incident with the people who run this school. Private daycares aren't in the business of pushing paying customers out. Usually they have to wait until problem children/parents give them a reason to take action.


Good point.  This just maybe the day care's seperation strategy.
 
2014-03-06 11:18:33 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: She truly is a muenster.


Maybe she just knows whats gouda for her.
 
2014-03-06 11:40:07 AM  

Trade Secret: I too am allergic to several things including types of nuts, fish and even beer.


YOU POOR BASTARD!
 
2014-03-06 11:42:45 AM  

Trade Secret: Dr. Whoof: Trade Secret: Because I too am allergic to several things including types of nuts, fish and even beer.

I'm not sure whether to heap condolences on you or kindly ask you to vacate the gene pool...

I always enjoyed a beer, especially after mowing the lawn, but I kept having bad-ass hay fever after I mowed, come to find out it was the beer. Some types of wine also make it so my lungs freak out and I have to use an inhaler. Not sure what the true cause is but I stay away from beer and wine and stick to scotch and "the reefer"

/can still taste beer if I think about it...I miss it on hot days for sure
/my kids have zero allergies
// so condolences it is


You might want to try beers made from other ingredients, such as wheat beers, or look for a gluten free beer.
 
2014-03-06 11:59:19 AM  
Public Schools are child abuse
 
2014-03-06 12:02:05 PM  

Cupajo: FirstNationalBastard: She truly is a muenster.

Maybe she just knows whats gouda for her.


But the daycare says she must use her feta and get a move on.
 
2014-03-06 12:07:22 PM  
This is why everyone should home school. Mass public education is dead.
 
2014-03-06 12:13:48 PM  

lack of warmth: Cupajo: FirstNationalBastard: She truly is a muenster.

Maybe she just knows whats gouda for her.

But the daycare says she must use her feta and get a move on.


I guess she should have known better than to brie-ng banned items to school.
 
2014-03-06 12:38:27 PM  

RedArny: SDRR: StrikitRich: Is the pre-school run by an HOA?


/in before the anti-HOA hillbillies

[cutelypoisoned.files.wordpress.com image 377x603]

He's not even trolling though.

In a lot of towns these days you either deal with an HOA or you live in a neighborhood like this:

[andieswhirl.files.wordpress.com image 594x445]


And a neighbor like that will not care about what my own yard looks like, much less go crying to someone with the power to foreclose on my house.
 
2014-03-06 12:46:24 PM  

xanadian: FTFA:  Nancy Brisebois, assistant director at Centre D'Enfant aux 4 Vents, said she couldn't discuss the specific incident, but that the French-language centre clearly communicates their policy, which includes automatic expulsion for possession of peanut butter, to parents.

I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?


Yes, actually--particles of the allergen in the air cause allergic reactions. It depends on the individual's sensitivity, and since this is a day-care, allergies would be undiagnosed, so a peanut-butter sandwich could cause a lethal reaction in a child. But any allergen that's broken down can release particles, and peanut butter is one that's A) prevalent, B) deadly, and C) comes mashed up.

Plus, kids are more likely to smear each other with food than anything else.
 
2014-03-06 12:47:01 PM  

FnkyTwn: Actually, I think controlled studies have shown that she actually had some sort of physical contact with the substance, either on a desk or on another student. It's not like she had a big dollop of peanut butter put on her, but literally the tiniest contact with it would set her off. It "appears" as if it's airborne because you're not actually seeing the contact, and then you just assume it's due to the sandwich, but controlled studies have shown it's not from the sandwich simply being present. Now did somebody have a mouthful of sandwich and then sneeze at her? Maybe?


I find it exceedingly difficult to believe that there have been "controlled studies" of this type. I could be wrong, though. Do you have any source for this at all?
 
2014-03-06 01:03:52 PM  
This is what happens when you want to nerf everything.
 
2014-03-06 01:33:44 PM  
Did she bring enough to share with the entire class?
 
2014-03-06 01:48:02 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: FnkyTwn: Actually, I think controlled studies have shown that she actually had some sort of physical contact with the substance, either on a desk or on another student. It's not like she had a big dollop of peanut butter put on her, but literally the tiniest contact with it would set her off. It "appears" as if it's airborne because you're not actually seeing the contact, and then you just assume it's due to the sandwich, but controlled studies have shown it's not from the sandwich simply being present. Now did somebody have a mouthful of sandwich and then sneeze at her? Maybe?

I find it exceedingly difficult to believe that there have been "controlled studies" of this type. I could be wrong, though. Do you have any source for this at all?


This is a post from some site that explores it a bit, but ill keep looking. Some farker listed it in a similar thread a while back, but in the past few years it's becoming better understood.

www.netwellness.org/healthtopics/ch/p eanut1.cfm

FTFA: Recently concern has been raised that peanut protein in the air will trigger a full-blown anaphylaxis since respiratory exposure can occur in the school setting as food proteins aerosolize into vapors during cooking at high temperatures, even in well-ventilated cafeterias. When airborne peanut protein exposure and reactions of children with known peanut allergies were explored, no allergic symptoms or anaphylaxis were observed when peanut allergic children were not aware of the airborne exposure. Interestingly, when aware of the exposure, symptoms of itchy eyes, sneezing, and runny nose resulted.
 
2014-03-06 01:50:38 PM  
That child is TOO OLD to be sucking on a pacifier.
 
2014-03-06 01:54:26 PM  

ryarger: At the age of 2, the suspension is punishment against the parent, not the child. The child isn't going to care.

Yes, it was an accident, but having to take personal time for three days to watch little Sally would teach me to make sure she doesn't slip any more food into her pockets.

On the other hand, this leading to one more parent taking the time to raise their own child is probably a good thing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEynciCuKj8#t=18m52s
 
2014-03-06 02:26:31 PM  
NutWrench
"Upon enrolment, parents must sign a contract which they review and we review with them, and this contract specifically mentions that we have zero tolerance," she said.

Don't sign stupid contracts like this. That fact that they actually used the phrase "zero tolerance" in a contract proves that their staff is incapable of making intelligent, reasonable decisions. What I'm trying to say is: find another daycare.

I used to think that the most charitable explanation for all these zero tolerance policies was insurance liability but I really think the people who make these rules are just pants-on-head retarded.


Alternate theory: you don't want to spend all day arguing with *that* set of parents (or their lawyer) why their crotchfruit isn't allowed to do X while some other kid may doY because an "intelligent, reasonable decision" might be based on the fact that their perfect-angel-at-home is an immature, borderline retarded, bullying psychopath at school.

Little Jonny might be responsible enough that you wouldn't worry if he brought a hunting rifle and some ammo to school while little Kevin can't even be trusted with an empty squirt gun because he would ram the empty thing into some kid's eye because he thinks it makes a funny squishy noise or because he would piss into the squirt gun and shoot other kids with it.
 
2014-03-06 02:31:13 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: I find it exceedingly difficult to believe that there have been "controlled studies" of this type. I could be wrong, though. Do you have any source for this at all?


How Stuff Works has links to articles showing how "allergies" can easily be psychosomatic.

http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/allergies/allerg y- basics/10-allergy-myths.htm#page=1

FTFA:
"Allergy straddles the mind-body border," explains Dr. Andrew Weil, a Harvard-trained physician who is a leading authority on alternative medicine. "Emotional stress can precipitate allergic reactions, and relaxation techniques can moderate them. A person who is strongly allergic to roses, for example, may react to the sight of a plastic rose, demonstrating the involvement of the mind and the brain.
 
2014-03-06 02:36:24 PM  
It's only a matter of time before someone throwing a Payday at a little snowflake yields an aggravated assault charge.

Just watch.
 
2014-03-06 02:44:37 PM  

AngryDragon: It's only a matter of time before someone throwing a Payday at a little snowflake yields an aggravated assault charge.

Just watch.


Well, if you're aware that somebody has a peanut allergy, and you're intentionally trying to cause them to have an allergic reaction, or you're trying to kill them, then yeah, that's a crime. Just like i'd imagine if you smeared peanut butter over all the grocery carts at Walmart, you could be charged with a hate crime.

Once you know something will potentially kill somebody, you're not just throwing a simple candy bar at somebody.
 
2014-03-06 03:05:25 PM  

FnkyTwn: AngryDragon: It's only a matter of time before someone throwing a Payday at a little snowflake yields an aggravated assault charge.

Just watch.

Well, if you're aware that somebody has a peanut allergy, and you're intentionally trying to cause them to have an allergic reaction, or you're trying to kill them, then yeah, that's a crime. Just like i'd imagine if you smeared peanut butter over all the grocery carts at Walmart, you could be charged with a hate crime.

Once you know something will potentially kill somebody, you're not just throwing a simple candy bar at somebody.


I wasn't talking about a malicious act any more than this little girl was intending to harm someone with her cheese sandwich.  And it would be LUDICROUS to charge someone like that with a hate crime.
 
2014-03-06 04:17:23 PM  

ryarger: Considering that peanut allergies can cause death...)


If your crotchspawn is so defective that s/he can be killed by exposure normal staple foodstuff, s/he doesn't belong in general population.   Keep your little genetic mistake in a plastic bubble or whatever so the healthy kids can eat normal food.
 
2014-03-06 04:44:39 PM  
RedArny:

In a lot of towns these days you either deal with an HOA or you live in a neighborhood like this:

[andieswhirl.files.wordpress.com image 594x445]


Natural disasters don't care if you have an HOA or not.

/Those aren't gang tags
//Urban Search and Rescue information and inventory markings, actually
 
2014-03-06 05:45:28 PM  
Ottawa is just chock-full of obstinate, stubborn, soul-less overpaid bureaucrats.

Think Washington DC but with more snow and of course bilingualism.
 
2014-03-06 10:44:53 PM  

The hopeless imp: enderthexenocide: my dad is allergic to peanut butter and if he smells it, he can have an allergic reaction. he doesn't immediately die, but he'll get a headache and maybe some mild breathing trouble.

That's anxiety, not an allergic reaction. The smell elevates his blood pressure, causing the headache. The "mild breathing trouble" is psychosomatic.


no offense, but i think i'll trust my dad on this.  i'm allergic to dogs and cats, and when i go into a house with dogs and cats i eventually develop a headache and breathing trouble.  that's what allergic reactions are.
 
2014-03-07 08:05:19 AM  

Tatterdemalian: xanadian: I could never understand that.  Does peanut butter aerosolize (or whatever) and float through the air or something?  Are all allergic kids within range of a peanut farm in mortal danger?

When dealing with two-year-olds, it might as well.

Mom: "Don't eat peanuts, or you will get sick and die!"

Friend: "Your mom is a stupid poopy-head. I eat peanuts, and I don't die. Here, have some of mine, just don't tell any of the grown-ups you ate them."

Allergic kid gets sick dies, refusing to the very end to admit to eating his friend's peanuts.

It's probably a lot less verbal when two-year-olds are involved, but the intent and results are still the same.


Some people would say that this is nature's way of removing stupid people (and people with allergies to common things) from the gene pool.
 
2014-03-07 03:46:58 PM  

enderthexenocide: The hopeless imp: enderthexenocide: my dad is allergic to peanut butter and if he smells it, he can have an allergic reaction. he doesn't immediately die, but he'll get a headache and maybe some mild breathing trouble.

That's anxiety, not an allergic reaction. The smell elevates his blood pressure, causing the headache. The "mild breathing trouble" is psychosomatic.

no offense, but i think i'll trust my dad on this.  i'm allergic to dogs and cats, and when i go into a house with dogs and cats i eventually develop a headache and breathing trouble.  that's what allergic reactions are.


I'm not saying he's not allergic. But our sense of smell is a subconscious trigger for memories and even physical responses. Dog and cat dander are airborn. So is peanut dust, which comes from the skin. Once that peanut is turned into peanut butter, there's no dust.
That said, odors CAN irritate the airways. But it's not the same as anaphylactic shock. Okay, so I probably shouldn't have said psychosomatic. But irritation and allergic reaction are different things.
 
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