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2014-03-06 01:30:19 AM  
2 out of 6,000, this is an outrage! Oh wait, no it is not. Here's a little secret, not all 6,000 Academy voters watch ever movie that is nominated every year. This is not a shocking new trend.
 
2014-03-06 04:53:19 AM  
Please, like every Academy member doesn't have a dumpster full of unopened "Best Foreign Language Film" and "Best Documentary Short Subject" DVDs.

They probably put more time and effort into their YouPorn thumbnail selection
 
2014-03-06 05:27:46 AM  
"All the same, two Oscar voters privately admitted that they didn't see '12 Years a Slave,' thinking it would be upsetting."

While I think the Oscars are a farce and little more than a public Hollywood circle jerk, if "potentially too upsetting" is your excuse for not watching a movie, you have no place on a board judging movie quality.
 
2014-03-06 05:45:10 AM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: 2 out of 6,000, this is an outrage! Oh wait, no it is not. Here's a little secret, not all 6,000 Academy voters watch ever movie that is nominated every year. This is not a shocking new trend.


It's not that they didn't watch every nominated movie. It's that they voted for one that they hadn't bothered to see. And you can bet it's a lot more than 2.

These people really have nothing to lose as Academy members. They can choose films because of the biggest bribe they get, or because they're friends with the director, or whatever else. It's like reading random comments from a Twitter search. With a critic or a jury, you know their names. So, I don't take the recommendations of Armond White very seriously.
 
2014-03-06 05:51:15 AM  
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2014-03-06 05:53:58 AM  
It couldn't possibly have won for political or social reasons

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2014-03-06 05:59:25 AM  

robohobo: It couldn't possibly have won for political or social reasons

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The hell you say!

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2014-03-06 06:16:54 AM  

cretinbob: [media.salon.com image 750x500]


I just reflexively punched my monitor.

/That face is Backpfeifengesicht incarnate.
 
2014-03-06 06:58:08 AM  

cretinbob: [media.salon.com image 750x500]


Came to joke "RUSH WAS RIGHT!" You posting his smug face did the joke much better. Kudos.

Slavery... it's a magical word. Like Tahiti.
 
2014-03-06 06:59:29 AM  
Who cares about stupid award shows anyway? Develop your own tastes.
 
2014-03-06 07:00:10 AM  
YOU HAD ONE JOB.
 
2014-03-06 07:23:01 AM  
Well it was only for best picture, not like it was an important category.
 
2014-03-06 07:27:03 AM  
All I know is Despicable Me 2. got robbed.


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2014-03-06 07:32:41 AM  
All the same, two Oscar voters privately admitted that they didn't see '12 Years a Slave,' thinking it would be upsetting. But they said they voted for it anyway because, given the film's social relevance, they felt obligated to do so."

So these two people independently admitted to this using nearly identical phrasing to a current right wing talking point? Ok.
 
2014-03-06 07:33:40 AM  
Richard Gere's a real hero of mine. Sting. Sting would be another person who's a hero. The music he's created over the years, I don't really listen to it, but the fact that he's making it, I respect that. I care desperately about what I do. Do I know what product I'm selling? No. Do I know what I'm doing today? No. But I'm here, and I'm gonna give it my best shot.
 
2014-03-06 07:46:49 AM  

hasty ambush: All I know is Despicable Me 2. got robbed.


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When you see kid movies with your kid, an honest laugh is hard to find. Something about the minions makes me laugh.
 
2014-03-06 07:55:55 AM  
It was already clear that some people weren't going to watch it.

But the bombshell of the day came when Peggy Siegel said that voters she spoke with (and remember, she goes to EVERYTHING) could not even bring themselves to watch 12 Years a Slave. You have to watch it, she would urge them. But they would hold up their hands and say - I can't.
 
2014-03-06 08:02:18 AM  
Meh.  I saw all the other candidates and they pretty much sucked.  I'd vote for something I didn't see just because it couldn't have sucked worse.
 
2014-03-06 08:07:13 AM  

hasty ambush: All I know is Despicable Me 2. got robbed.


Just one farking year I'd like the Best Film to go to something that's goofy and great. I'd love to see a film like There's Something about Mary winning over a film about a black jewish gay autistic kid in a concentration camp.

Not going to talk about Best Animated Film. That's like "Best Black and White Film" or "Best film shot on location". Farking ridiculous attempt to ghettoise animation (if I had to randomly watch a best film nominee and a best animated film nominee, I'd go for the latter).
 
2014-03-06 08:18:56 AM  
What do you expect from a group primarily composed of decrepit old white people? White guilt is powerful, and considering they skipped over films like The Help and The Butler the previous years, they sort of felt compelled to recognize 12 Years because there wasn't a Holocaust movie this year.
 
2014-03-06 08:25:04 AM  

rjakobi: What do you expect from a group primarily composed of decrepit old white people? White guilt is powerful, and considering they skipped over films like The Help and The Butler the previous years, they sort of felt compelled to recognize 12 Years because there wasn't a Holocaust movie this year.


Oh please, do expand on this.
 
2014-03-06 08:26:45 AM  

Sybarite: It was already clear that some people weren't going to watch it.


One observation about screeners - if people are watching DVDs of films, it's going to produce a different outcome to people going to a theater and watching a film. It means that talkie dramas get an advantage over more visually interesting films, where the visuals inside a theater are a large part of the experience. Pacific Rim is nothing like as good on blu-ray as it is in a theater.
 
2014-03-06 08:31:57 AM  

rjakobi: What do you expect from a group primarily composed of decrepit old white people? White guilt is powerful, and considering they skipped over films like The Help and The Butler the previous years, they sort of felt compelled to recognize 12 Years because there wasn't a Holocaust movie this year.


If that was the case, they had a chance last year to give Best Picture to a movie showing the horrors of slavery.
 
2014-03-06 09:04:42 AM  
I wonder how many other times the voters have been hounded about having actually watched the winning films over the years...you know, for comparison's sake.  Seems the only time anyone digs into this stuff is when they sense a small trickle of White-Privilege dribbling down the drain.  OH NOES, A "BLACK" FILM WON! THE HORROR! THE HORROR!

/but remember, children - cons try to say racism died in November of 2008
//except when cons try to say that Obama being elected made race-relations worse
///which is it, you farks?
 
2014-03-06 09:13:05 AM  

stoli n coke: rjakobi: What do you expect from a group primarily composed of decrepit old white people? White guilt is powerful, and considering they skipped over films like The Help and The Butler the previous years, they sort of felt compelled to recognize 12 Years because there wasn't a Holocaust movie this year.

If that was the case, they had a chance last year to give Best Picture to a movie showing the horrors of slavery.


There was a new Pokemon movie last year?
 
2014-03-06 09:19:38 AM  
How about we just remember that Do The Right Thing, Boyz N The Hood, and Malcolm X weren't even nominated for Best Picture and call it even?
 
2014-03-06 09:26:47 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: All the same, two Oscar voters privately admitted that they didn't see '12 Years a Slave,' thinking it would be upsetting. But they said they voted for it anyway because, given the film's social relevance, they felt obligated to do so."

So these two people independently admitted to this using nearly identical phrasing to a current right wing talking point? Ok.


I haven't tuned into the good folks over on RWNJ Radio this week. Is this really a talking point? Something they're concerned about? Really? Wow. That's just sad.
 
2014-03-06 09:40:14 AM  

rjakobi: What do you expect from a group primarily composed of decrepit old white people? White guilt is powerful, and considering they skipped over films like The Help and The Butler the previous years, they sort of felt compelled to recognize 12 Years because there wasn't a Holocaust movie this year.


So, White Guilt did not give oscars to "The help" and "The butler", but gave one to "12 years a slave" ? That makes no frigging sense.

What makes frigging sense, is that white guilt is always trotted out by closet racists every time something or someone black wins a major award, so as to always minimize their achievement. "12 years a slave" deserved the oscar, it was really the best movie I've seen last year. Lupita Nyong'o deserved her oscar. She was better than Jennifer Lawrence, although she was fantastic and the only good thing in "American Hustle".
 
2014-03-06 09:56:22 AM  
s that white guilt is always trotted out by closet racists every time something or someone black wins a


"White guilt" isn't some vague phenomena. It's indelibly ingrained in our society today. It's also responsible for half of the racial "advances" we've made in the last 50 years so quit your biatching.
 
2014-03-06 10:12:45 AM  

doubled99: s that white guilt is always trotted out by closet racists every time something or someone black wins a


"White guilt" isn't some vague phenomena. It's indelibly ingrained in our society today. It's also responsible for half of the racial "advances" we've made in the last 50 years so quit your biatching.


I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I thought someone was biatching because a black movie won an Oscar he did not deserve.
My bad.
 
2014-03-06 10:59:20 AM  

doubled99: s that white guilt is always trotted out by closet racists every time something or someone black wins a


"White guilt" isn't some vague phenomena. It's indelibly ingrained in our society today.


No it isn't.
 
2014-03-06 11:03:48 AM  
While I thought the ending could have been better, 12 Years was still a very, very good movie. If it wasn't for Gravity, it also would have won cinematography.
 
2014-03-06 11:22:38 AM  

rjakobi: What do you expect from a group primarily composed of decrepit old white people? White guilt is powerful, and considering they skipped over films like The Help and The Butler the previous years, they sort of felt compelled to recognize 12 Years because there wasn't a Holocaust movie this year.


Wait, if white guilt is such a powerful force, why didn't the help and the butler win?

What a terrible argument you have there. It's not always "white guilt" when the "black" movie wins, sometimes it's just the best movie.

You get upset when people correctly identify you as a racist, don't you?
 
2014-03-06 11:37:52 AM  

padraig: So, White Guilt did not give oscars to "The help" and "The butler", but gave one to "12 years a slave" ? That makes no frigging sense.

What makes frigging sense, is that white guilt is always trotted out by closet racists every time something or someone black wins a major award, so as to always minimize their achievement. "12 years a slave" deserved the oscar, it was really the best movie I've seen last year. Lupita Nyong'o deserved her oscar. She was better than Jennifer Lawrence, although she was fantastic and the only good thing in "American Hustle".


It's not so much about "white guilt". It's about what is socially beneficial to say. And it certainly affects how people express themselves. It doesn't mean that movies about slavery, disability or the holocaust always win, but it certainly seems to give a boost to movies on those subjects. It's what's referred to as Oscar bait - films that are pretty much designed to appeal to the academy who vote for them and then boost the appeal to rubes who think they must be good as they won an Oscar.

That doesn't mean you can't get a great film on those subjects. Schindler's List is a great film. I won't comment on 12 Years a Slave as I've not seen it yet.
 
2014-03-06 11:57:28 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Please, like every Academy member doesn't have a dumpster full of unopened "Best Foreign Language Film" and "Best Documentary Short Subject" DVDs.

They probably put more time and effort into their YouPorn thumbnail selection


pppffftttt.  Nobody comes close to the type of effort I put into my thumbnail selection.  That aside there is no doubt that politics plays a bigger and bigger role in the selectiion of winners. It used to be confined more to the documentaries and short film category (See examples) but it has branched out now It is just like the Nobel peace prize is more politics.  You could call it white guilt but maybe they just want to avoid the racist tag..

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2014-03-06 12:25:32 PM  
My God! And this is the first time that has ever happened in history. It certainly wouldn't explain why something like Crash won.
 
2014-03-06 01:03:27 PM  

Sybarite: It was already clear that some people weren't going to watch it.

But the bombshell of the day came when Peggy Siegel said that voters she spoke with (and remember, she goes to EVERYTHING) could not even bring themselves to watch 12 Years a Slave. You have to watch it, she would urge them. But they would hold up their hands and say - I can't.


It was a VERY difficult movie to watch. At the end of the movie I heard several people in the audience say they didn't like the movie in a "that wasn't fun at all" sort of way. We needed to go out afterward to try to lighten the mood. The movie stuck with me for a couple weeks.

I can understand some people may have heard about the movie beforehand, and knew it wasn't something they wanted to see. Lorenzo's Oil is one of those movies for me. I can't fault a couple people from not wanting to see it and rather relying on people they trust for an opinion.
 
2014-03-06 01:09:39 PM  

padraig: What makes frigging sense, is that white guilt is always trotted out by closet racists every time something or someone black wins a major award, so as to always minimize their achievement. "12 years a slave" deserved the oscar, it was really the best movie I've seen last year. Lupita Nyong'o deserved her oscar. She was better than Jennifer Lawrence, although she was fantastic and the only good thing in "American Hustle".


Mention "White Privilege" to those same racists and watch them blow the f*ck up claiming it doesn't exist. Hell, watch Farkers freak out trying to claim it doesn't exist.

12 Years a Slave deserved to win. Lupita Nyong'o had one scene that should have won her the Oscar all by itself, and she didn't even speak in that scene. Amazing performance. Amazing movie (but VERY difficult to watch at the same time).
 
2014-03-06 01:19:04 PM  
The Oscars really mixed it up this year, eh?

Guy with AIDS, transgender with AIDS, slave, rich Brit woman that can't be rich anymore. Best documentary was about a Holocaust survivor.

Some of the people that voted for these actually saw the movie.
 
2014-03-06 01:30:29 PM  
What part of
HOLLYWOOD PROM
do you not understand?
 
2014-03-06 03:33:24 PM  

SubBass49: I wonder how many other times the voters have been hounded about having actually watched the winning films over the years...you know, for comparison's sake.  Seems the only time anyone digs into this stuff is when they sense a small trickle of White-Privilege dribbling down the drain.  OH NOES, A "BLACK" FILM WON! THE HORROR! THE HORROR!

/but remember, children - cons try to say racism died in November of 2008
//except when cons try to say that Obama being elected made race-relations worse
///which is it, you farks?


Yes. I'm since the beginning at least one person voted for a film without having ssen it.
Jesus farking Christ, people vote for President with less care.
 
2014-03-06 08:15:41 PM  

mediablitz: padraig: What makes frigging sense, is that white guilt is always trotted out by closet racists every time something or someone black wins a major award, so as to always minimize their achievement. "12 years a slave" deserved the oscar, it was really the best movie I've seen last year. Lupita Nyong'o deserved her oscar. She was better than Jennifer Lawrence, although she was fantastic and the only good thing in "American Hustle".

Mention "White Privilege" to those same racists and watch them blow the f*ck up claiming it doesn't exist. Hell, watch Farkers freak out trying to claim it doesn't exist.

12 Years a Slave deserved to win. Lupita Nyong'o had one scene that should have won her the Oscar all by itself, and she didn't even speak in that scene. Amazing performance. Amazing movie (but VERY difficult to watch at the same time).


So, "white guilt" is the new "white man's burden"?
 
2014-03-06 09:47:09 PM  
Mick Foley once compared "winning" a wrestling title with "winning" an Oscar.  He said that it's not so much about who earned it as much as deciding what image they want to present.  For the Oscar voters, this means that you award the movie that looks like it represents the best of Hollywood.
 
2014-03-07 02:19:50 AM  

No Line For Beer: Mick Foley once compared "winning" a wrestling title with "winning" an Oscar.  He said that it's not so much about who earned it as much as deciding what image they want to present.  For the Oscar voters, this means that you award the movie that looks like it represents the best of Hollywood.


In the current WWE, at least, they give the title to the guy Vince, the execs, and the writers believe fits the bill AND has earned the right to represent the company. The champ does a ton of personal appearances, charity work, marketing work, and so on. He has to be someone who is comfortable with all facets of pro wrestling: Not just putting on a great show for the fans in the ring, but being a capable speaker, a photogenic actor and spokesman, and a guy who is willing and able to "put over" other wrestlers on the way up.

I may not like Cena very much as a wrestler, but I have to admit he really takes the role as champ seriously. He earned it because he does a LOT of side-work. He's involved with so many charities and projects you wonder how he gets time to actually wrestle.

They were similar in the 80s. This is why Hogan remained champ for so long. He may not have been a very good worker in the ring, but the guy could do a promo like nobody's business, and he was game to be the face of the WWF for charity events, promotions, talk shows, network TV appearances, and everything else.

To give credit where it's due, Hulk Hogan worked his ass off outside of the ring and, with McMahon's vision guiding things, made WWE what it is today through sheer personality and charisma. Nobody goes to a Hulk Hogan match to see great in-ring work. They go to see him hulk up, make the faces, say the lines, flex the pythons, deliver the three big punches, big boot, and big leg drop, and then play to the crowd... And Make-A-Wish kids still asked to meet Hulk Hogan because he was able to convincingly act like a hero.

This is why you don't see heels keep the WWE title for very long. They win it to build drama, and then the heel puts over the face in a big PPV, thus making both himself and the face look better than they did before. Nobody likes a hero who doesn't meet and defeat challenges every once in a while, and nobody respects a hero whose rivals are perceived to be weak. The heel has to seem like a genuine threat so that when the face beats him and wins the title back, he appears to have overcome the odds, yada yada yada.

I'm not deep into pro wrestling anymore, but from a theatrical and business point of view I've always found it fascinating. It's this interesting combination of Greek theatre in the round, stunt shows, pulp/comic book heroes, and performance sporting events (like gymnastics, figure skating, etc. which are also judged on the ability of the performers to entertain with feats of athleticism rather than getting an object into a goal zone.)

/Plus I have to admit I had a crush on Stephanie McMahon-Levesque.
//I preferred her before the boob job, but still, she's smart, beautiful, and insanely wealthy. What's not to like?
 
2014-03-07 04:24:30 AM  

Lee451: So, "white guilt" is the new "white man's burden"?


I've also be called a "white knight", once or twice. I think it's the new "n-word lover".
 
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