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(CNBC)   Facebook and Instagram to crack down on gun sales. In related news, people use Facebook and Instagram to sell guns   (cnbc.com ) divider line
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2014-03-06 07:20:46 AM  
3 votes:

fusillade762: We can still sell guns on Fark, right?


A Fark Swap Meet might be all kinds of awesome.
2014-03-06 08:49:16 AM  
2 votes:
All this bullshiat would be moot if ATF would allow private citizens to access NICS via a phone number or web portal to perform voluntary background checks for private sales.

Would everybody doing a private sale use it?  No.  Would a huge percentage use it?  Absolutely.

It would be low or no cost and would accomplish the PUBLIC goal of performing more background checks than already are performed - I would bet the monthly check numbers would be staggering.  So the absence of a proposal to this end is, in my opinion, very telling.
2014-03-06 08:30:29 AM  
2 votes:
I'm on a few gun pages on facebook, even there any sales go though a FFL.

This is sort of the same theory as sales at gun shows, that everyone seems to think are all under the table. Go check one out, if you buy any firearm inside the show you get a background check and the sale is processed though a FFL. There are sales in the parking lot sometimes but those are frowned upon as well as the parking lot is always watched for that sort of thing.

so in closing, blow it out your arse Moms demand action.

signed sincerely, a pro gun liberal.
2014-03-06 07:29:32 AM  
2 votes:
The only complaint I've seen about this is that they appear to have only consulted with anti-gun groups before making the new rules.

I see the "gun show loophole" has now become the "private sale loophole".
2014-03-06 07:27:19 AM  
2 votes:
I've bought a couple of guns of Gunbroker.com. But I still had to go though a background check and fill out a 4473. If you ship to another state, you've got to go through a dealer that has a FFL.
2014-03-06 04:12:34 AM  
2 votes:

Kittypie070: Help help, they are taking away my Second Amendment rights and oppressing me. Help help. Waah.


I don't know that anyone is actually whining about that, but since there is no avenue for private buyers and sellers to freely access the NICS hotline, I'm not going to do much whining about private sales occurring as they do now.
2014-03-06 03:29:02 PM  
1 vote:

Smeggy Smurf: Who the hell sells guns?  Disgruntled ex-wives is who.  Nobody else in their right mind ever gives up a firearm once purchased


Not true.

I've sold guns when I needed the cash more than I needed the gun.

I've never been actually gunless, it's true, since I was first given a .22 rifle back 35 years ago (still have that one!), but the number of guns in my collection have ebbed and flowed with financial concerns.
2014-03-06 02:34:17 PM  
1 vote:
Who the hell sells guns?  Disgruntled ex-wives is who.  Nobody else in their right mind ever gives up a firearm once purchased
2014-03-06 12:42:37 PM  
1 vote:
People sure do. A good friend of mine(who happens to have a tv show about guns) does sell on FB. Mostly to his real friends and not gaggle of followers. I bought a rifle from another friend who advertised it on his FB page.

It happens..., and all necessary legal paperwork is done. Which in this case, being Texas means I give him cash, he gives me a gun, we shake hands and go about our lawful business :D
2014-03-06 10:21:33 AM  
1 vote:

Kittypie070: Help help, they are taking away my Second Amendment rights and oppressing me. Help help. Waah.


Nope. I'm a member of a Facebook gun swap group for my local area. People post guns or other items that they want to sell or trade, and if you're interested you can contact them directly and arrange the deal. The guy who runs the group made a post yesterday about Facebook's new policy, and he said that it won't affect the group. He apparently has spoken to someone at Facebook about it, and as long as everything is being done legally, it's not a problem. They're just trying to cover their own asses and make sure that they aren't breaking any laws. As long as you play by the rules, you can still do your gun swap. It's a non-issue, at least for our group.
2014-03-06 09:03:41 AM  
1 vote:

hasty ambush: Deep Contact: Now what will the Mexican drug lords do?

They do not need Facebook and Instagram they have the US government.


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2014-03-06 08:40:17 AM  
1 vote:
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2014-03-06 08:21:25 AM  
1 vote:

Deep Contact: Now what will the Mexican drug lords do?




They do not need Facebook and Instagram they have the US government.


sadhillnews.com
2014-03-06 08:07:22 AM  
1 vote:

Facetious_Speciest: dittybopper

Except they aren't even doing that.

Yeah, I just read the statement from Facebook. Weird how it's being reported the way it is.


You're surprised that reporters would shill for anti-gun groups?  Really?
2014-03-06 07:58:21 AM  
1 vote:

Facetious_Speciest: Facebook has every right to decline to facilitate private firearms sales (the "loophole"). Outrage: 0.


Except they aren't even doing that.   They're just saying "Hey, if someone reports this, we'll put in a pop-up that says 'Follow the law'":

Today, we are introducing a series of new educational and enforcement efforts for people discussing the private sale of regulated items:

Any time we receive a report on Facebook about a post promoting the private sale of a commonly regulated item, we will send a message to that person reminding him or her to comply with relevant laws and regulations. We will also limit access to that post to people over the age of 18.

We will require Pages that are primarily used by people to promote the private sale of commonly regulated goods or services to include language that clearly reminds people of the importance of understanding and complying with relevant laws and regulations, and limit access to people over the age of 18 or older if required by applicable law.

We will provide special in-app education on Instagram for those who search for sales or promotions of firearms.

We will not permit people to post offers to sell regulated items that indicate a willingness to evade or help others evade the law. For example, private sellers of firearms in the U.S. will not be permitted to specify "no background check required," nor can they offer to transact across state lines without a licensed firearms dealer.


Basically, it doesn't do very much.  Plus, if I decide to sell, say, a modern muzzleloader, or a "modern" gun that because of it's age isn't legally a firearm, I can indeed still say "no background check required" because they are not regulated items.

Plus, I can easily imply that I'm selling a modern gun without a background check (which isn't required federally for private transactions between residents of the same state) by simply saying "Selling my personal firearm.  I am not an FFL".   Non-FFLs don't have access to NICS anyway.

In the end, this doesn't really *DO* anything.  You can still advertise your guns for sale on Facebook.  You can even imply that no background check is needed, though you can't expressly say it.

This is more of a stinging rebuke of groups like MAIG, dressed up as a "win".  Facebook doesn't block the sales at all, and just adds wording that says "Hey, follow the applicable laws" without any real enforcement mechanism.
2014-03-06 07:50:00 AM  
1 vote:
2014-03-06 07:48:57 AM  
1 vote:
Most people ask for a ccw.
2014-03-06 07:40:54 AM  
1 vote:
Actually, they didn't change their policies very much at all.  Basically, all they are doing is saying "Hey follow the applicable laws".  That's pretty much it.
2014-03-06 07:21:59 AM  
1 vote:
"We will not permit people to post offers to sell regulated items that indicate a willingness to evade or help others evade the law,'' Facebook said.

Except that it isn't against the law to private sell a gun without a background check

/Although I'd want to make damn sure who I am selling a gun to. I'm getting a copy of your driver's licence and a signed statement that says "I am not a felon". Last thing I need is for a gun, registered to me, to wind up next to a dead hooker.

Police: Hey, yeah, so we found your gun next to a bullet ridden hooker.
Me: If she got rid of all ther bullets, what's the problem?
Police: No, it means she's full of bullets.
Me: Wow, that doesn't mean what I thought it ment.
Police: Thats...I'm not here to teach you English, I'm here because your gun was used in a murder!
Me: Oh....I sold that gun.
Police: To whom?
Me: Uh.....some guy? I think he said his name was Bill. Or Juaqiuem. Or something like that. He drives some sort of car if that helps.
Police: You're gonna need to come with me.
Me: Can I play with the siren?
Police: ....sure, why not?
2014-03-06 07:06:49 AM  
1 vote:
Ebay, craigslist went through this. Any online venture providing an interface for people to connect will have to deal with it. Newsflash...people buy and sell guns and they're not going to stop.

Zuckerberg didn't see this coming?
2014-03-06 06:55:05 AM  
1 vote:

fusillade762: We can still sell guns on Fark, right?


Guns? Yes. Gnus? No.

/It's not gnus, it's Fark.com
2014-03-06 01:31:34 AM  
1 vote:

SilentStrider: Whatever happened to Craigslist?


Those hippies don't allow gun sales, but there is an armslist.com and a subreddit which both allow private party sales as long as they are in accordance with state and federal law.
 
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