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(New York Daily News)   RT news anchor Liz Wahl quits on air, saying that she can't work for a network that "whitewashes the actions of Putin." A journalist with ethics... who woulda thunkski. w/vid   (nydailynews.com ) divider line 89
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2014-03-05 09:15:51 PM  
Your turn Fox News anchors.
 
2014-03-06 12:13:59 AM  

2xhelix: Your turn Fox News anchors.


Bet she's working there within a week. Probably within two days. The heroine who stood up to Putin while Obama cowered. Roger Ailes will milk that for all it's worth.
 
2014-03-06 12:33:45 AM  

Triumph: 2xhelix: Your turn Fox News anchors.

Bet she's working there within a week. Probably within two days. The heroine who stood up to Putin while Obama cowered. Roger Ailes will milk that for all it's worth.



If she quit one network that was praising Putin, why would she go to another that's doing the same thing?
 
2014-03-06 12:49:38 AM  

SilentStrider: If she quit one network that was praising Putin, why would she go to another that's doing the same thing?


Because they spelled her name right on the check?
 
2014-03-06 01:08:58 AM  
assets.nydailynews.com

Put the bullet hole right back here.
 
2014-03-06 02:54:03 AM  
Your turn Naked News anchors.
 
2014-03-06 03:08:19 AM  
I had no idea RT had a branch for American TV. I figured their wackiness was confined to text.
A Filiipino working for a Russian news agency in the US. Huh.
 
2014-03-06 03:08:38 AM  

2xhelix: Your turn Fox News anchors.


Came here to say this. Dammit...
 
2014-03-06 03:10:23 AM  
assets.nydailynews.com
Steven Segal in:
To Russia: With Justice
 
2014-03-06 03:11:10 AM  
The nature of RT wasn't exactly a secret when she applied...
 
2014-03-06 03:12:28 AM  
So I don't watch much of RT, thought I don't turn away from it when linked to it.  I'm old enough her story sounds plausible because you know, Russians don't take a dumpsonwithout a plan

But then I wonder why it took her so long, until now to say something about it. And also seeing how at so many media outlets the people who work there shift from one outlet to another, why hasn't this been reported on before from other places, 60 minutes, Fox, Mother Jones, ...

And then I wonder, just because we then have RT who seem biased, and Fox who seems biased in similar ways, and claims that MSNBC is biased in similar ways, well, what about Al Jazeera America?
 
2014-03-06 03:12:43 AM  
If she had ethics she wouldn't have joined the Russian government's PR firm in the first place.
 
2014-03-06 03:12:45 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x772]

Put the bullet hole right back here.


I'd somehow never even considered it before, but that's some top-level Trump-style hair acrobatics going on there.
 
2014-03-06 03:14:59 AM  
She can get a job for one of the major networks where she can whitewash stories about the democrats and Obama.  lol
 
2014-03-06 03:15:47 AM  
RoyBatty:
And then I wonder, just because we then have RT who seem biased, and Fox who seems biased in similar ways, and claims that MSNBC is biased in similar ways, well, what about Al Jazeera America?

Not sure about AJ America, but the general consensus about AJ itself was that it was fairly... fair as long as the story didn't involve jews and you avoided the editorials.
 
2014-03-06 03:16:13 AM  
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2014-03-06 03:18:21 AM  

steerforth: If she had ethics she wouldn't have joined the Russian government's PR firm in the first place.


Whatever. If the check cleared, I'd take the cash, and give a big middle finger to Putin in the process, just like she did. In fact, that was the most American thing she could ever do.
 
2014-03-06 03:18:26 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: I had no idea RT had a branch for American TV. I figured their wackiness was confined to text.
A Filiipino working for a Russian news agency in the US. Huh.


Not a Filipina. A child of Hungarian refugees from Russian pogroms. Who for some reason chose to work for the Russian propaganda agency.
 
2014-03-06 03:22:57 AM  

Bungles: The nature of RT wasn't exactly a secret when she applied...


Yeah.  She sounds too involved in the regions politics to be objective in reporting about them.

Even if I might agree with a presenters opinions, I'd still rather not hear about them.

/ she is attractive though
// definitely FOX bound
 
2014-03-06 03:23:22 AM  
Who is this "Poo-inn" she refers to? (64 seconds into the video.)
 
2014-03-06 03:25:45 AM  

steerforth: If she had ethics she wouldn't have joined the Russian government's PR firm in the first place.


You can love your country, but not like the leaders..

THANKS OBAMA
 
2014-03-06 03:29:54 AM  
I think she should watch out for a polonium milkshake sometime soon...
 
2014-03-06 03:33:15 AM  

gweilo8888: Who is this "Poo-inn" she refers to? (64 seconds into the video.)


You missed the glottal stop. Listen to the word "little" and no further.
/Sorry, the first example I found.
 
2014-03-06 03:35:15 AM  
so she was on Anderson Cooper yesterday to talk about this but it's only now getting greened on Fark.  nice of you to stay current.
 
2014-03-06 03:36:15 AM  

HotWingAgenda: God-is-a-Taco: I had no idea RT had a branch for American TV. I figured their wackiness was confined to text.
A Filiipino working for a Russian news agency in the US. Huh.

Not a Filipina. A child of Hungarian refugees from Russian pogroms. Who for some reason chose to work for the Russian propaganda agency.


I'm not sure about her news background, but within the news industry, if you're working in Podunk, Nebraska and you get a call from Seattle (9th largest market in the US), you take the job unless it's so morally reprehensible (like, justifying 9/11 or something) you absolutely cannot fathom stomaching it for a nanosecond.

She rightly said she'd walked a tenuous moral and ethical line: so have many of us who have worked in television news. And many of us reached a point where we were no longer willing to do that. I reached mine when a producer deliberately chose not to verify facts--which he could have done with a phone call--and instead chose to air falsehoods that he knew to be false that he also knew were causing a local panic despite being presented with the facts and the means of verifying them (one of the anchors chose to verify the facts and reported the incident to the station manager, who gave the producer an unpaid two week vacation for his trouble, but by then, the damage had been done). Clearly, Wahl reached her point where she was no longer willing to accept a paycheck this week. Good for her.

Criticizing a newscaster (possibly a journalist--some are, some are not) for finding their integrity seems to me to be precisely the wrong thing to do, but hey--this is Fark. Beer and snark are required, logic is not. ;)

...just don't biatch to me about the media not having any integrity when you snipe and biatch when someone in the media finally shows some.
 
2014-03-06 03:39:16 AM  

HotWingAgenda: God-is-a-Taco: I had no idea RT had a branch for American TV. I figured their wackiness was confined to text.
A Filiipino working for a Russian news agency in the US. Huh.

Not a Filipina. A child of Hungarian refugees from Russian pogroms. Who for some reason chose to work for the Russian propaganda agency.


She may have bought the idea that Russia was part of the modern world now, or even that moderate russian speaking journos could do some good.. and then realised how silly that is with a warmongering KGB officer in charge.
 
2014-03-06 03:39:45 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: gweilo8888: Who is this "Poo-inn" she refers to? (64 seconds into the video.)

You missed the glottal stop. Listen to the word "little" and no further.
/Sorry, the first example I found.


I didn't miss anything. I listened to it twice, and she skips the "t" which should be there in the official Russian pronunciation.

You'd think somebody working as on-air talent for a Russian-owned network would know how to pronounce the Russian president's name.
 
2014-03-06 03:41:54 AM  

The Flexecutioner: so she was on Anderson Cooper yesterday to talk about this but it's only now getting greened on Fark.  nice of you to stay current.


She couldn't find a reputable show to be interviewed on? Oh.. wait.. she worked at RT.
 
2014-03-06 03:46:58 AM  
So when does she get reassigned to cover the siberian gulag beat?
 
2014-03-06 03:49:09 AM  

gweilo8888: demaL-demaL-yeH: gweilo8888: Who is this "Poo-inn" she refers to? (64 seconds into the video.)

You missed the glottal stop. Listen to the word "little" and no further.
/Sorry, the first example I found.

I didn't miss anything. I listened to it twice, and she skips the "t" which should be there in the official Russian pronunciation.

You'd think somebody working as on-air talent for a Russian-owned network would know how to pronounce the Russian president's name.


Now with link goodness. (around 0:37)
 
2014-03-06 03:51:09 AM  

grimlock1972: So when does she get reassigned to cover the siberian gulag beat?


Never. US citizens who are in the US don't get sent to Russian prisons. We don't have an extradition treaty with them.
 
2014-03-06 03:55:44 AM  

Aigoo: HotWingAgenda: God-is-a-Taco: I had no idea RT had a branch for American TV. I figured their wackiness was confined to text.
A Filiipino working for a Russian news agency in the US. Huh.

Not a Filipina. A child of Hungarian refugees from Russian pogroms. Who for some reason chose to work for the Russian propaganda agency.

I'm not sure about her news background, but within the news industry, if you're working in Podunk, Nebraska and you get a call from Seattle (9th largest market in the US), you take the job unless it's so morally reprehensible (like, justifying 9/11 or something) you absolutely cannot fathom stomaching it for a nanosecond.

She rightly said she'd walked a tenuous moral and ethical line: so have many of us who have worked in television news. And many of us reached a point where we were no longer willing to do that. I reached mine when a producer deliberately chose not to verify facts--which he could have done with a phone call--and instead chose to air falsehoods that he knew to be false that he also knew were causing a local panic despite being presented with the facts and the means of verifying them (one of the anchors chose to verify the facts and reported the incident to the station manager, who gave the producer an unpaid two week vacation for his trouble, but by then, the damage had been done). Clearly, Wahl reached her point where she was no longer willing to accept a paycheck this week. Good for her.

Criticizing a newscaster (possibly a journalist--some are, some are not) for finding their integrity seems to me to be precisely the wrong thing to do, but hey--this is Fark. Beer and snark are required, logic is not. ;)

...just don't biatch to me about the media not having any integrity when you snipe and biatch when someone in the media finally shows some.


replygif.net
 
2014-03-06 03:56:04 AM  
But the USA invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and no-one complained.
 
2014-03-06 04:09:17 AM  

HotWingAgenda: God-is-a-Taco: I had no idea RT had a branch for American TV. I figured their wackiness was confined to text.
A Filiipino working for a Russian news agency in the US. Huh.

Not a Filipina. A child of Hungarian refugees from Russian pogroms. Who for some reason chose to work for the Russian propaganda agency.


OI really doubt where were Russian pogroms in Hungary in 1956
 
2014-03-06 04:16:05 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Now with irrelevant link goodness. (around 0:37)


FTFY. I am well aware what a glottal stop is, and it's not part of the correct pronunciation of Putin's surname. Or do we just make up our own pronunciations for major political figures now?

This is no more correct than it would be to refer to President Erhbarmah or Prime Minister Daveed Camehrown. News readers are supposed to use correct pronunciation, not just make it up because they're lazy.
 
2014-03-06 04:16:06 AM  

diaphoresis: steerforth: If she had ethics she wouldn't have joined the Russian government's PR firm in the first place.

You can love your country, but not like the leaders..

THANKS OBAMA


Actually, I'm not so sure about that. After all, what defines a country? It isn't geography - that changes when lines are redrawn and the dirt inside those lines is pretty much the same as the dirt everywhere else. It isn't a society - if it was, the Basques would have their own country by now... and need I mention East Coast vs. West Coast Rap or the still-forming society of the internet? And it obviously isn't genetic lineage and spoken language, as it kinda-sorta probably was many thousands of years ago. What else could there be but government which defines a nation?

/Which is why I chuckle at fake patriots who hate their government but love their government's dirt.
 
2014-03-06 04:23:57 AM  

Mr. Ekshun: I chuckle at fake patriots who hate their government but love their government's dirt.



More like they love their country but hate their government.

They'd also argue that the other side loves their government and hates their country.
 
2014-03-06 04:27:25 AM  

gweilo8888: demaL-demaL-yeH: Now with irrelevant link goodness. (around 0:37)

FTFY. I am well aware what a glottal stop is, and it's not part of the correct pronunciation of Putin's surname. Or do we just make up our own pronunciations for major political figures now?

This is no more correct than it would be to refer to President Erhbarmah or Prime Minister Daveed Camehrown. News readers are supposed to use correct pronunciation, not just make it up because they're lazy.


Did it ever occur to your genius intellect that maybe she didn't perfectly enunciate Putin's name because she was nervous about going off script and resigning on air?

The fact that you're making such a big deal out of this makes me wonder if you've ever been exposed to different cultures. I can't imagine how miserable your life must be if something as innocent and insignificant as this pisses you off.
 
2014-03-06 04:30:58 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: grimlock1972: So when does she get reassigned to cover the siberian gulag beat?

Never. US citizens who are in the US don't get sent to Russian prisons. We don't have an extradition treaty with them.


Yeah, she doesn't have to worry about ending up in Siberia. Polonium in her coffee at Starbucks, maybe.
 
2014-03-06 04:43:23 AM  

F22raptom: But the USA invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and no-one complained.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-06 04:56:29 AM  

Mr. Ekshun: diaphoresis: steerforth: If she had ethics she wouldn't have joined the Russian government's PR firm in the first place.

You can love your country, but not like the leaders..

THANKS OBAMA

Actually, I'm not so sure about that. After all, what defines a country? It isn't geography - that changes when lines are redrawn and the dirt inside those lines is pretty much the same as the dirt everywhere else. It isn't a society - if it was, the Basques would have their own country by now... and need I mention East Coast vs. West Coast Rap or the still-forming society of the internet? And it obviously isn't genetic lineage and spoken language, as it kinda-sorta probably was many thousands of years ago. What else could there be but government which defines a nation?

/Which is why I chuckle at fake patriots who hate their government but love their government's dirt.


We'll be there to remind you of your position next time somebody who is not from your club becomes president.
 
2014-03-06 04:59:22 AM  
Let me get this straight: she becomes a journalist, knowing that the purpose of journalism is to lie, distort and misinform, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then goes to work for a news outlet that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then gets upset that the news organization lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, and then quits. What's she going to do now? Work for another news organization that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers?
 
2014-03-06 05:21:09 AM  

Marmilman: Did it ever occur to your genius intellect that maybe she didn't perfectly enunciate Putin's name because she was nervous about going off script and resigning on air?

The fact that you're making such a big deal out of this makes me wonder if you've ever been exposed to different cultures. I can't imagine how miserable your life must be if something as innocent and insignificant as this pisses you off.


I can pretty much guarantee I've had more exposure to different cultures than you have. I've lived on three continents, and traveled to far more countries than I can easily count, the majority of which don't natively speak English.

You do realize you're making just as big a deal out of something which was, initially, a throwaway comment. The only reason it's been discussed further is because you went into internet White Knight mode to rush to the fair maiden's rescue.

And also, a true professional can hold it together on air. Especially when they're saying a name that's probably among the most common they have to say on a daily basis in their work.
 
2014-03-06 05:22:08 AM  

DrPainMD: Let me get this straight: she becomes a journalist, knowing that the purpose of journalism is to lie, distort and misinform, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then goes to work for a news outlet that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then gets upset that the news organization lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, and then quits. What's she going to do now? Work for another news organization that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers?


Show us on the doll where the journalist touched you.
 
2014-03-06 05:31:31 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: DrPainMD: Let me get this straight: she becomes a journalist, knowing that the purpose of journalism is to lie, distort and misinform, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then goes to work for a news outlet that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then gets upset that the news organization lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, and then quits. What's she going to do now? Work for another news organization that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers?

Show us on the doll where the journalist touched you.



www.amamantafamily.com
 
2014-03-06 06:05:54 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: Show us on the doll where the journalist touched you.


Journalists, or whatever passes under that name nowadays, are destroying our souls one soundbite at a time. Seriously, I've lived 40 years of my life, consuming media in 3 languages, across 3 major blocks (EU, US, post-Soviet block) and the closest I've seen to an actual journalist who doesn't actively destroys all the good and positive that is in the world is Jon Steward.

And he is a comedian, a clown, who isn't even supposed to know anything, fact-check, dig deeper than the next soundbite or present his viewers opinions they may not like!
 
2014-03-06 06:05:59 AM  

rzrwiresunrise: DrPainMD: Let me get this straight: she becomes a journalist, knowing that the purpose of journalism is to lie, distort and misinform, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then goes to work for a news outlet that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then gets upset that the news organization lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, and then quits. What's she going to do now? Work for another news organization that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers?

Show us on the doll where the journalist touched you.


averagechris.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-06 06:06:23 AM  

DrPainMD: Let me get this straight: she becomes a journalist, knowing that the purpose of journalism is to lie, distort and misinform, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then goes to work for a news outlet that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then gets upset that the news organization lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, and then quits. What's she going to do now? Work for another news organization that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers?


Current events caused her to remember the journalistic ideal about fair reporting of facts.
She was perfectly fine with the system being biased until now, because it was biased against people she disliked.

/What was started by CNN and Fox is now a global infection.
 
2014-03-06 06:10:25 AM  

Aigoo: HotWingAgenda: God-is-a-Taco: I had no idea RT had a branch for American TV. I figured their wackiness was confined to text.
A Filiipino working for a Russian news agency in the US. Huh.

Not a Filipina. A child of Hungarian refugees from Russian pogroms. Who for some reason chose to work for the Russian propaganda agency.

I'm not sure about her news background, but within the news industry, if you're working in Podunk, Nebraska and you get a call from Seattle (9th largest market in the US), you take the job unless it's so morally reprehensible (like, justifying 9/11 or something) you absolutely cannot fathom stomaching it for a nanosecond.

She rightly said she'd walked a tenuous moral and ethical line: so have many of us who have worked in television news. And many of us reached a point where we were no longer willing to do that. I reached mine when a producer deliberately chose not to verify facts--which he could have done with a phone call--and instead chose to air falsehoods that he knew to be false that he also knew were causing a local panic despite being presented with the facts and the means of verifying them (one of the anchors chose to verify the facts and reported the incident to the station manager, who gave the producer an unpaid two week vacation for his trouble, but by then, the damage had been done). Clearly, Wahl reached her point where she was no longer willing to accept a paycheck this week. Good for her.

Criticizing a newscaster (possibly a journalist--some are, some are not) for finding their integrity seems to me to be precisely the wrong thing to do, but hey--this is Fark. Beer and snark are required, logic is not. ;)

...just don't biatch to me about the media not having any integrity when you snipe and biatch when someone in the media finally shows some.


Fark just does it for the shiggles. We don't have any room to criticize with the absolute trainwreck that we call Fark headlines.
 
2014-03-06 06:17:21 AM  

way south: DrPainMD: Let me get this straight: she becomes a journalist, knowing that the purpose of journalism is to lie, distort and misinform, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then goes to work for a news outlet that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then gets upset that the news organization lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, and then quits. What's she going to do now? Work for another news organization that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers?

Current events caused her to remember the journalistic ideal about fair reporting of facts.
She was perfectly fine with the system being biased until now, because it was biased against people she disliked.

/What was started by CNN and Fox the world's very first journalist is now a global infection.


FTFY
 
2014-03-06 06:26:51 AM  
 
2014-03-06 06:28:33 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Mr. Ekshun: diaphoresis: steerforth: If she had ethics she wouldn't have joined the Russian government's PR firm in the first place.

You can love your country, but not like the leaders..

THANKS OBAMA

Actually, I'm not so sure about that. After all, what defines a country? It isn't geography - that changes when lines are redrawn and the dirt inside those lines is pretty much the same as the dirt everywhere else. It isn't a society - if it was, the Basques would have their own country by now... and need I mention East Coast vs. West Coast Rap or the still-forming society of the internet? And it obviously isn't genetic lineage and spoken language, as it kinda-sorta probably was many thousands of years ago. What else could there be but government which defines a nation?

/Which is why I chuckle at fake patriots who hate their government but love their government's dirt.

We'll be there to remind you of your position next time somebody who is not from your club becomes president.


Oh, I'm sure you will be - pettiness mixed with vitriol is The American Way. But I have no club, nor even any interest in politics, which is why my comment had nothing to do with it. Philosophical definition knows no side of the aisle... nor does flag-waving.
 
2014-03-06 06:32:50 AM  

gweilo8888: Marmilman: Did it ever occur to your genius intellect that maybe she didn't perfectly enunciate Putin's name because she was nervous about going off script and resigning on air?

The fact that you're making such a big deal out of this makes me wonder if you've ever been exposed to different cultures. I can't imagine how miserable your life must be if something as innocent and insignificant as this pisses you off.

I can pretty much guarantee I've had more exposure to different cultures than you have. I've lived on three continents, and traveled to far more countries than I can easily count, the majority of which don't natively speak English.

You do realize you're making just as big a deal out of something which was, initially, a throwaway comment. The only reason it's been discussed further is because you went into internet White Knight mode to rush to the fair maiden's rescue.

And also, a true professional can hold it together on air. Especially when they're saying a name that's probably among the most common they have to say on a daily basis in their work.


You win this time....
 
2014-03-06 06:35:07 AM  
"I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell -
'I'M AS MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!
 '
 
2014-03-06 07:28:46 AM  

gweilo8888: demaL-demaL-yeH: Now with irrelevant link goodness. (around 0:37)

FTFY. I am well aware what a glottal stop is, and it's not part of the correct pronunciation of Putin's surname. Or do we just make up our own pronunciations for major political figures now?

This is no more correct than it would be to refer to President Erhbarmah or Prime Minister Daveed Camehrown. News readers are supposed to use correct pronunciation, not just make it up because they're lazy.


Maybe that was the point. She didn't feel respect for the leader, why pronounce the name right? Alternately, she obviously was a "little" nervous, which may have her slipping back into a comfort zone of how she traditionally talks (she finally focused on what she was saying not how she was saying it).
 
2014-03-06 07:42:28 AM  
If she's worried about networks pursuing an agenda, she'd better find a new line of work. They all pursue some kind of agenda.
 
2014-03-06 07:44:02 AM  
Well, that would be her choice.
 
2014-03-06 07:53:01 AM  
A little C4 for that bridge?
 
2014-03-06 07:55:56 AM  
And here come the Fark Independents to rip her apart for daring to criticize their new hero.
 
2014-03-06 08:16:09 AM  

gweilo8888: This is no more correct than it would be to refer to President Erhbarmah


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-06 08:35:28 AM  

gweilo8888: demaL-demaL-yeH: Now with irrelevant link goodness. (around 0:37)

FTFY. I am well aware what a glottal stop is, and it's not part of the correct pronunciation of Putin's surname. Or do we just make up our own pronunciations for major political figures now?

This is no more correct than it would be to refer to President Erhbarmah or Prime Minister Daveed Camehrown. News readers are supposed to use correct pronunciation, not just make it up because they're lazy.


So you're finally admitting you hear the glottal stop, which is an allophone for an alveolar stop in English English, and is becoming one in Murrican English.
Stop trying to use a prescriptive grammar hammer on a descriptive grammar screw.
/Personally prefers French pronunciation and semantics for Putin.
 
2014-03-06 08:40:11 AM  

2xhelix: Your turn Fox News anchors.


Ask Jane Akre how well Fox News likes it when their own people point out how they're full of shiat. Hint - they fire your ass and will go to court to defend their "right" to knowingly lie.
 
2014-03-06 08:43:31 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: gweilo8888: demaL-demaL-yeH: Now with irrelevant link goodness. (around 0:37)

FTFY. I am well aware what a glottal stop is, and it's not part of the correct pronunciation of Putin's surname. Or do we just make up our own pronunciations for major political figures now?

This is no more correct than it would be to refer to President Erhbarmah or Prime Minister Daveed Camehrown. News readers are supposed to use correct pronunciation, not just make it up because they're lazy.

So you're finally admitting you hear the glottal stop, which is an allophone for an alveolar stop in English English, and is becoming one in Murrican English.
Stop trying to use a prescriptive grammar hammer on a descriptive grammar screw.
/Personally prefers French pronunciation and semantics for Putin.


I see what you did there.
 
2014-03-06 08:55:20 AM  
All bets are off as to whether she has been called a Zionist on rt.com
 
2014-03-06 08:56:34 AM  

Aigoo: HotWingAgenda: God-is-a-Taco: I had no idea RT had a branch for American TV. I figured their wackiness was confined to text.
A Filiipino working for a Russian news agency in the US. Huh.

Not a Filipina. A child of Hungarian refugees from Russian pogroms. Who for some reason chose to work for the Russian propaganda agency.

I'm not sure about her news background, but within the news industry, if you're working in Podunk, Nebraska and you get a call from Seattle (9th largest market in the US), you take the job unless it's so morally reprehensible (like, justifying 9/11 or something) you absolutely cannot fathom stomaching it for a nanosecond.

She rightly said she'd walked a tenuous moral and ethical line: so have many of us who have worked in television news. And many of us reached a point where we were no longer willing to do that. I reached mine when a producer deliberately chose not to verify facts--which he could have done with a phone call--and instead chose to air falsehoods that he knew to be false that he also knew were causing a local panic despite being presented with the facts and the means of verifying them (one of the anchors chose to verify the facts and reported the incident to the station manager, who gave the producer an unpaid two week vacation for his trouble, but by then, the damage had been done). Clearly, Wahl reached her point where she was no longer willing to accept a paycheck this week. Good for her.

Criticizing a newscaster (possibly a journalist--some are, some are not) for finding their integrity seems to me to be precisely the wrong thing to do, but hey--this is Fark. Beer and snark are required, logic is not. ;)

...just don't biatch to me about the media not having any integrity when you snipe and biatch when someone in the media finally shows some.


I like the cut of your jib(e).
 
2014-03-06 09:09:08 AM  
"Russian Journalist" =/= "American citizen working in American who is of Russian descent"

No 'bravery' points, sorry.

Now, when we see a story of a journalist in Moscow pulling these shennanigans, then that it is news.
 
2014-03-06 09:26:43 AM  
Every news network is just as guilty, just sometimes its white washing other world leaders.
 
2014-03-06 09:55:19 AM  
She can talk about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
 
2014-03-06 09:58:50 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Not a Filipina. A child of Hungarian refugees from Russian pogroms.


Yeah, and her great-grandparents were probably Bolsheviks.  Spare me the sob story.
 
2014-03-06 10:41:02 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Ask Jane Akre how well Fox News likes it when their own people point out how they're full of shiat. Hint - they fire your ass and will go to court to defend their "right" to knowingly lie.


Problem is she didn't work for Fox News, she worked for a Fox affiliate.
 
2014-03-06 12:03:50 PM  

Grahor: rzrwiresunrise: Show us on the doll where the journalist touched you.

Journalists, or whatever passes under that name nowadays, are destroying our souls one soundbite at a time. Seriously, I've lived 40 years of my life, consuming media in 3 languages, across 3 major blocks (EU, US, post-Soviet block) and the closest I've seen to an actual journalist who doesn't actively destroys all the good and positive that is in the world is Jon Steward.

And he is a comedian, a clown, who isn't even supposed to know anything, fact-check, dig deeper than the next soundbite or present his viewers opinions they may not like!

And he is a comedian, a clown, who isn't even supposed to know anything, fact-check, dig deeper than the next soundbite or present his viewers opinions they may not like!


How is this different from any other journalist?
 
2014-03-06 12:07:58 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: gweilo8888: demaL-demaL-yeH: Now with irrelevant link goodness. (around 0:37)

FTFY. I am well aware what a glottal stop is, and it's not part of the correct pronunciation of Putin's surname. Or do we just make up our own pronunciations for major political figures now?

This is no more correct than it would be to refer to President Erhbarmah or Prime Minister Daveed Camehrown. News readers are supposed to use correct pronunciation, not just make it up because they're lazy.

So you're finally admitting you hear the glottal stop, which is an allophone for an alveolar stop in English English, and is becoming one in Murrican English.
Stop trying to use a prescriptive grammar hammer on a descriptive grammar screw.
/Personally prefers French pronunciation and semantics for Putin.


farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2014-03-06 12:56:07 PM  
 
2014-03-06 01:26:53 PM  

F22raptom: But the USA invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and no-one complained.


1/10
 
2014-03-06 01:33:03 PM  

DrPainMD: Let me get this straight: she becomes a journalist, knowing that the purpose of journalism is to lie, distort and misinform, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then goes to work for a news outlet that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, then gets upset that the news organization lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers, and then quits. What's she going to do now? Work for another news organization that lies, distorts and misinforms, all in an attempt to sway the opinions of the viewers?


Army,Navy, Air Force, Marine Recruiter?
 
2014-03-06 04:30:32 PM  
Please. She knew that if she continued to read their bullshiat, she'd never get a job in American news again. So she does this 'heroic' thing on-air, gets a crapload of news, and job offers back home.
 
2014-03-06 06:26:21 PM  

MadSkillz: Please. She knew that if she continued to read their bullshiat, she'd never get a job in American news again. So she does this 'heroic' thing on-air, gets a crapload of news, and job offers back home.


FTFA: "Liz Wahl, who was a Washington, D.C. correspondent for the state-owned television station,..."

US Citizen, living in the USA.

/reading is fundamental
 
2014-03-06 09:28:56 PM  

Triumph: Because they spelled her name right on the check?


Ah, the delusional fantasy of Right Wing World: everything is for sale & everyone is a prostitute.
 
2014-03-06 09:56:51 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: So you're finally admitting you hear the glottal stop, which is an allophone for an alveolar stop in English English, and is becoming one in Murrican English.
Stop trying to use a prescriptive grammar hammer on a descriptive grammar screw.
/Personally prefers French pronunciation and semantics for Putin.


I never said I didn't hear it. I said it is not a valid pronunciation,and I am correct. Or would you have no problem with President Erhbarmah or Prime Minister Daveed Camehrown?

/if you are a random individual off the street, being lazy is fine
//if your entire profession is "reading things out on television", then you owe it to your profession to make at least a small effort.
 
2014-03-06 10:52:55 PM  

gweilo8888: demaL-demaL-yeH: So you're finally admitting you hear the glottal stop, which is an allophone for an alveolar stop in English English, and is becoming one in Murrican English.
Stop trying to use a prescriptive grammar hammer on a descriptive grammar screw.
/Personally prefers French pronunciation and semantics for Putin.

I never said I didn't hear it. I said it is not a valid pronunciation,and I am correct. Or would you have no problem with President Erhbarmah or Prime Minister Daveed Camehrown?

/if you are a random individual off the street, being lazy is fine
//if your entire profession is "reading things out on television", then you owe it to your profession to make at least a small effort.


I have a few reading suggestions for you. I hope that you achieve some small measure of enlightenment: Glottal stop substitutions for /t/ occur in RP, too.

In other words, [ɡɛʔ bɛnt].
 
2014-03-06 11:04:45 PM  

LewDux: HotWingAgenda: God-is-a-Taco: I had no idea RT had a branch for American TV. I figured their wackiness was confined to text.
A Filiipino working for a Russian news agency in the US. Huh.

Not a Filipina. A child of Hungarian refugees from Russian pogroms. Who for some reason chose to work for the Russian propaganda agency.

OI really doubt where were Russian pogroms in Hungary in 1956


While there were no "pogroms" as such (assuming we're using the narrow definition strictly reserved for pushing Jews around), Hungary in 1956 was definitely...messy.

"Nikita Khrushchev, the leader of the Soviet Union, became increasingly concerned about these developments and on November 4, 1956 he sent the Red Army into Hungary. Soviet tanks immediately captured Hungary's airfields, highway junctions and bridges. Fighting took place all over the country but the Hungarian forces were quickly defeated.  During the Hungarian Uprising an estimated 20,000 people were killed, nearly all during the Soviet intervention. [...] 21,600 dissidents were imprisoned, 13,000 interned, and 400 killed."  (yes, wikipedia)
 
2014-03-06 11:35:25 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: I have a few reading suggestions for you. I hope that you achieve some small measure of enlightenment: Glottal stop substitutions for /t/ occur in RP, too.

In other words, [ɡɛʔ bɛnt].


Aww bless, diddums get ums feewings huwt?
 
2014-03-07 12:15:31 AM  

gweilo8888: demaL-demaL-yeH: I have a few reading suggestions for you. I hope that you achieve some small measure of enlightenment: Glottal stop substitutions for /t/ occur in RP, too.

In other words, [ɡɛʔ bɛnt].

Aww bless, diddums get ums feewings huwt?


*sigh*
Well, that's one way to make your case about diction and register.
I'm sure it's not the worst possible, but it's close.
 
2014-03-07 12:21:16 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: *sigh*
Well, that's one way to make your case about diction and register.
I'm sure it's not the worst possible, but it's close.


So diction matters when it's the general public, but not when it's people whose entire job is to read words on TV. Got it.

You do realize how idiotic you sound, right?
 
2014-03-07 12:40:05 AM  

gweilo8888: demaL-demaL-yeH: *sigh*
Well, that's one way to make your case about diction and register.
I'm sure it's not the worst possible, but it's close.

So diction matters when it's the general public, but not when it's people whose entire job is to read words on TV. Got it.
You do realize how idiotic you sound, right?


Let's see:

gweilo8888: demaL-demaL-yeH: gweilo8888: Who is this "Poo-inn" she refers to? (64 seconds into the video.)

You missed the glottal stop. Listen to the word "little" and no further.
/Sorry, the first example I found.

I didn't miss anything. I listened to it twice, and she skips the "t" which should be there in the official Russian pronunciation.
You'd think somebody working as on-air talent for a Russian-owned network would know how to pronounce the Russian president's name.


gweilo8888: FTFY. I am well aware what a glottal stop is, and it's not part of the correct pronunciation of Putin's surname. Or do we just make up our own pronunciations for major political figures now?
This is no more correct than it would be to refer to President Erhbarmah or Prime Minister Daveed Camehrown. News readers are supposed to use correct pronunciation, not just make it up because they're lazy.


gweilo8888: I never said I didn't hear it. I said it is not a valid pronunciation,and I am correct. Or would you have no problem with President Erhbarmah or Prime Minister Daveed Camehrown?
/if you are a random individual off the street, being lazy is fine
//if your entire profession is "reading things out on television", then you owe it to your profession to make at least a small effort.


gweilo8888: Aww bless, diddums get ums feewings huwt?

Diction matters when you've set yourself up as final arbiter and guardian of the Queen's English.
/Especially when you're ranting about an American news anchor.
 
2014-03-07 01:36:36 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Diction matters when you've set yourself up as final arbiter and guardian of the Queen's English.
/Especially when you're ranting about an American news anchor.


You do realize that the diction was chosen specifically to make a point, right? I don't ordinarily speak in that manner.

I also set myself up as no such thing. I merely pointed out that she was doing her job poorly as a throwaway comment, and you went over-the-top Internet White Knight. Presumably you believe she'll be around shortly to thank you in person with her clothes off. I have a feeling you'll be disappointed.

Generally, one should be good at the major portion of one's job. If you make coffee, you should know a bit about making coffee. If you service cars, you should probably understand what the major components are, and how they're replaced. And if you are a studio news reader whose sole purpose is to read words somebody else wrote and not look repulsive doing so, you should probably know how to read those words. Especially when they're ones you read on a daily basis.
 
2014-03-07 01:57:25 AM  

gweilo8888: demaL-demaL-yeH: Diction matters when you've set yourself up as final arbiter and guardian of the Queen's English.
/Especially when you're ranting about an American news anchor.

You do realize that the diction was chosen specifically to make a point, right? I don't ordinarily speak in that manner.

I also set myself up as no such thing. 

gweilo8888: I said it is not a valid pronunciation,and I am correct.



Oh, really?

gweilo8888: I merely pointed out that she was doing her job poorly as a throwaway comment, and you went over-the-top Internet White Knight.


I merely pointed out that she used a glottal stop as an allophone for /t/. Then you decided to let your freak prescriptive grammarian flag fly, so I pointed you to so basic concepts in linguistics.

gweilo8888: Presumably you believe she'll be around shortly to thank you in person with her clothes off.


Too young.

gweilo8888: Generally, one should be good at the major portion of one's job. If you make coffee, you should know a bit about making coffee. If you service cars, you should probably understand what the major components are, and how they're replaced.


So if you're, say, a linguist (like me), you should be able to explain basic concepts in linguistics to arrogant farks, as long as they're not being deliberately obtuse or are ineducable.
 
2014-03-07 02:03:10 AM  
Fark farked my comment and stripped the link.
It should read:
some basic concepts in linguistics.
 
2014-03-07 12:46:52 PM  

another cultural observer: LewDux: HotWingAgenda: God-is-a-Taco: I had no idea RT had a branch for American TV. I figured their wackiness was confined to text.
A Filiipino working for a Russian news agency in the US. Huh.

Not a Filipina. A child of Hungarian refugees from Russian pogroms. Who for some reason chose to work for the Russian propaganda agency.

OI really doubt where were Russian pogroms in Hungary in 1956

While there were no "pogroms" as such (assuming we're using the narrow definition strictly reserved for pushing Jews around), Hungary in 1956 was definitely...messy.

"Nikita Khrushchev, the leader of the Soviet Union, became increasingly concerned about these developments and on November 4, 1956 he sent the Red Army into Hungary. Soviet tanks immediately captured Hungary's airfields, highway junctions and bridges. Fighting took place all over the country but the Hungarian forces were quickly defeated.  During the Hungarian Uprising an estimated 20,000 people were killed, nearly all during the Soviet intervention. [...] 21,600 dissidents were imprisoned, 13,000 interned, and 400 killed."  (yes, wikipedia)


Quite different thing than Hungarian refugees from Russian pogroms
 
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