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2014-03-05 07:38:26 PM
There is no reason to drag "hippies" into an article about meditation and Buddhism, submitter.
 
2014-03-05 07:50:07 PM
I know modern American "Buddhists" who always stop in for Starbucks before going to class to learn to free themselves from material desires. I suspect the irony is lost on them.
 
2014-03-05 08:31:50 PM
Make me one percent, with everything.
 
2014-03-05 08:32:37 PM
I'm probably not "elite" and I'm no hippy, but I enjoy listening to the Dalai Lama, even saw him once.  Been reading a lot about Buddhism. I'm not religious, but I find a lot of the teachings pretty cool.   I mean he tells fart jokes, and doesn't want everyone to convert to his religion.   A smart, funny, 80 year old who preaches "be nice to each other".  I'm ok with that.

/begin the anti-lama Fark rantings
 
2014-03-05 08:32:38 PM
Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.
 
2014-03-05 08:33:06 PM
They may be right:
Competitive Meditation:
Link
 
2014-03-05 08:38:19 PM
Co-opting, not coverting.
 
2014-03-05 08:38:44 PM

CruJones: I'm probably not "elite" and I'm no hippy, but I enjoy listening to the Dalai Lama, even saw him once.  Been reading a lot about Buddhism. I'm not religious, but I find a lot of the teachings pretty cool.   I mean he tells fart jokes, and doesn't want everyone to convert to his religion.   A smart, funny, 80 year old who preaches "be nice to each other".  I'm ok with that.

/begin the anti-lama Fark rantings


Whatever your religious beliefs, Buddhist psychology has very sophisticated insights into the human condition. I'm not Buddhist but it provides food for thought.
 
2014-03-05 08:38:45 PM
So basically people are mad that individuals are using self-awareness to take advantage of other people?
 
2014-03-05 08:39:54 PM
"are", subby is the word you were looking for.

Unless "you is condemning food..things...and supplies" ala Uhura from Star Trek VI.
 
2014-03-05 08:43:03 PM
I keep seeing 2.0  whatever..

sounds like someone should start  using  3.0, would be a great money maker.
 
2014-03-05 08:43:33 PM
"Just like the gentrification of a neighborhood where new, wealthy people displace people who have lived there longer," Ream writes, "the dharma is undergoing a process of gentrification in San Francisco today."


Wait, so... hang on, so like today's Buddhists are going to be priced out of Buddhism and have to find a less expensive religion? Can rich people do that?
 
2014-03-05 08:43:44 PM
Don't worry. The 1% wouldn't know the 8 fold path if they suffered on it for all eternity.
 
2014-03-05 08:44:20 PM

miss jinxed: Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.


Uh, it kinda was Nixon and a few other mostly Western Republicans who got concrete action on what we would now refer to as a 'Green Agenda'.

And yes, I'm old enough to remember those days, Mo Udall and Tom McCall.
 
2014-03-05 08:44:41 PM
A good percentage of the 1% were hippies.
 
2014-03-05 08:45:57 PM

fluffy2097: Don't worry. The 1% wouldn't know the 8 fold path if they suffered on it for all eternity.


See, subby?   If you were correct in using "is", then fluffy2097 should have said "if it suffered", but that would sound wrong...because it would be wrong.

/had to
//seeing too much of it
 
2014-03-05 08:46:02 PM

miss jinxed: Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.


The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on
December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order
pdxretro.com
 
2014-03-05 08:49:09 PM

GilRuiz1: "Just like the gentrification of a neighborhood where new, wealthy people displace people who have lived there longer," Ream writes, "the dharma is undergoing a process of gentrification in San Francisco today."


Wait, so... hang on, so like today's Buddhists are going to be priced out of Buddhism and have to find a less expensive religion? Can rich people do that?


"We're looking for a nice temple, something with Hindu gods but in the Zoroastrian price range. And preferably on the north side of town."

HGTV just creamed its collective pants at the idea.
 
2014-03-05 08:49:15 PM

GilRuiz1: "Just like the gentrification of a neighborhood where new, wealthy people displace people who have lived there longer," Ream writes, "the dharma is undergoing a process of gentrification in San Francisco today."


Wait, so... hang on, so like today's Buddhists are going to be priced out of Buddhism and have to find a less expensive religion? Can rich people do that?


They were into mindfulness before it was cool.
 
2014-03-05 08:50:46 PM

MrBallou: I know modern American "Buddhists" who always stop in for Starbucks before going to class to learn to free themselves from material desires. I suspect the irony is lost on them.


Um, what about Buddhism exactly do you think prohibits liking coffee, or even overpriced shiatty coffee?

Honestly, drinking the shiatty burnt stuff that more expensive than it should be just because it's convenient and minimizes the imposition on the self and others is a pretty good example of the middle path, the violation would be having a farking stick up your ass about your roast or where you buy it or whatever.  Starbucks is like the opposite of conspicuous consumption.

The core message of the religion isn't to magically not need or want anything, it's to not let that shiat control you.  Starving yourself on a mountaintop or whatever is actually  explicitly discounted by the religion, mystery-cult splinter branches aside.

// This whole "magical ascetic indian" bullshiat image that westerners seem to have of the religion is half the reason American buddhists are usually morons.  The other half is morons that think it's some sort of atheist spirituality.   Buddhism is not (typically) atheist, you cultural illiterates.

// You can tell I'm not Buddhist from the way I don't even try to suppress the annoyance/rage.
 
2014-03-05 08:54:55 PM
Can Buddhism really be co-opted? I'm a Zen Buddhist so the answer for me is no, but I'm curious if other Buddhists of different paths think this is a real problem.
 
2014-03-05 08:56:07 PM
img.fark.net

I know that feel bro.
 
2014-03-05 08:57:23 PM

jaytkay: miss jinxed: Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.

The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on
December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order
[pdxretro.com image 474x474]


To be fair, the EPA is one of maybe 5 or 6 government agencies in the history of the nation that was founded, immediately did its farking job, and consistently did it well right up to the point it was dismantled.  Hell, even on like 1% of its necessary budget it's still one of the most cost-efficient and outright effective agencies we've got.

So his point about "if Nixon had done it, it'd have been done and done well" actually... kinda holds true.  He did do it, and it worked really well.  You realize the initial problem it was founded to solve was that parts of the US had rain so acidic you'd lose your paint job unless you re-waxed every week, right?  Not even a thing anymore.  The other big one was the ozone layer-- stabilized.  It's an agency that farking gets shiat done without farking around.

// I'm actually normally reasonably sanguine on Bush 2's tenure, I'd call it overall mediocre and a bit clumsy rather than the abomination everyone else in my current party thinks it is.  But taking another giant de-funding swipe at the EPA pushes my rage button pretty hard.  Hell, I'm mad at Obama just for not trying to reverse it, is now mad I am about it.
 
2014-03-05 08:58:35 PM

MrBallou: I know modern American "Buddhists" who always stop in for Starbucks before going to class to learn to free themselves from material desires. I suspect the irony is lost on them.


I have a friend who posts articles about inequality and declares that the problem with the world is consumerism and the top 1% and literally the next day is showing the $4000 gaming rig he built from scratch.
 
2014-03-05 09:03:29 PM

Jim_Callahan: jaytkay: miss jinxed: Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.

The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on
December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order
[pdxretro.com image 474x474]

To be fair, the EPA is one of maybe 5 or 6 government agencies in the history of the nation that was founded, immediately did its farking job, and consistently did it well right up to the point it was dismantled.  Hell, even on like 1% of its necessary budget it's still one of the most cost-efficient and outright effective agencies we've got.

So his point about "if Nixon had done it, it'd have been done and done well" actually... kinda holds true.  He did do it, and it worked really well.  You realize the initial problem it was founded to solve was that parts of the US had rain so acidic you'd lose your paint job unless you re-waxed every week, right?  Not even a thing anymore.  The other big one was the ozone layer-- stabilized.  It's an agency that farking gets shiat done without farking around.


Totally. Acid rain is no longer a thing because we destroyed all manufacturing in the US and farmed all those pollutants out to China. Let the Chinese deal with smog so dangerous that elite Olympic athletes didn't want to go there for a few weeks lest they ruin their careers.

I'm being a little snarky here even if I agree with you that the EPA did a good job at fighting pollution in a lot of areas. But we still have a load of problems. EPA could do better if it could kill profit margins with fines.
 
2014-03-05 09:04:29 PM
Everything is co-opted... or whatever.  Get over it.
 
2014-03-05 09:04:59 PM

bdub77: MrBallou: I know modern American "Buddhists" who always stop in for Starbucks before going to class to learn to free themselves from material desires. I suspect the irony is lost on them.

I have a friend who posts articles about inequality and declares that the problem with the world is consumerism and the top 1% and literally the next day is showing the $4000 gaming rig he built from scratch.


Well everyone is a hypocrite to some degree. If he's buying a new gaming PC every 6 months that would be wasteful. If he just bought one that he intends to use for the next 5+ years then maybe not.
 
2014-03-05 09:06:29 PM

MayoSlather: bdub77: MrBallou: I know modern American "Buddhists" who always stop in for Starbucks before going to class to learn to free themselves from material desires. I suspect the irony is lost on them.

I have a friend who posts articles about inequality and declares that the problem with the world is consumerism and the top 1% and literally the next day is showing the $4000 gaming rig he built from scratch.

Well everyone is a hypocrite to some degree. If he's buying a new gaming PC every 6 months that would be wasteful. If he just bought one that he intends to use for the next 5+ years then maybe not.


He just bought an Xbox One 2 months ago.
 
2014-03-05 09:06:52 PM
Hippies, Nixon, and Buddhism. This thread is one with everything.
 
2014-03-05 09:08:54 PM
Most western "buddhists" don't even know the name of Buddha or the name of his wife, children or parents. Or the name of the Buddhist holy book. They even think that the Buddha is a chinaman or has some sort of oriental origin. fark, they can't even pronounce "buddha", they say is like "bud-a".

It is downright pathetic. Beyond funny.
 
2014-03-05 09:10:25 PM

miss jinxed: Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.


Someone better get a history book, a history lesson, and a clue.

As other posters pointed out he was responsible for the EPA.

Also:

1. The Clean Air Extension Act of 1972
2. Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972
3. The Safe Water Drinking Act
4. Endangered Species Act
 
2014-03-05 09:10:52 PM
Because so much of Christianity is about becoming entitled by Jesus that people aren't being meek. They gotta suck up to a secular tradition of bending over and taking it like a sheep.
 
2014-03-05 09:17:35 PM

mrlewish: I keep seeing 2.0  whatever..

sounds like someone should start  using  3.0, would be a great money maker.


i140.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-05 09:20:48 PM

The Irrelevant Gamer: Can Buddhism really be co-opted? I'm a Zen Buddhist so the answer for me is no, but I'm curious if other Buddhists of different paths think this is a real problem.


I imagine the ones who have a problem with this weren't really getting anything from it to begin with.
 
2014-03-05 09:21:54 PM

bdub77: MrBallou: I know modern American "Buddhists" who always stop in for Starbucks before going to class to learn to free themselves from material desires. I suspect the irony is lost on them.

I have a friend who posts articles about inequality and declares that the problem with the world is consumerism and the top 1% and literally the next day is showing the $4000 gaming rig he built from scratch.


You think that's bad? I personally know people--several of them, in fact--who talk all the time about fiscal responsibility, and then vote Republican.

I suspect the irony is lost on them.
 
2014-03-05 09:22:35 PM
bdub77:
Totally. Acid rain is no longer a thing because we destroyed all manufacturing in the US and farmed all those pollutants out to China. Let the Chinese deal with smog so dangerous that elite Olympic athletes didn't want to go there for a few weeks lest they ruin their careers.

I'm being a little snarky here even if I agree with you that the EPA did a good job at fighting pollution in a lot of areas. But we still have a load of problems. EPA could do better if it could kill profit margins with fines.


Well, they tried the "bury people under fines" method and the "just shut it down" method, but what actually ended up working was cap & trade.  So that's what they do now, and it's cut the cost of the program to like 1/4 of the original projections.

I'd disagree with the moving things to china bit, honestly.  The industries we sank were mostly steel and machining, the industries that are the big polluters are paper, shipping, and power generation, all of which are still mostly domestic.  There are some things that we pass to other countries that are big polluters, like Aluminium mining and rare-earth refining, but that's more because there aren't raw materials for those things domestically than anything else.

// Not that machining and steel going overseas isn't  bad, but it's lost-jobs bad, not so much pollution-bad.  There's associated CO2 emissions, that's about it.  A problem, but a problem we have to deal with globally and not really in the agency's ballpark.
 
2014-03-05 09:25:34 PM
Who the fark writes this shiat?  Seriously, the people over at Salon have lost their damn minds.  Worthless.  It's a shame too, because it used to be a very decent source for in-depth online journalism back in the late 90s.
 
2014-03-05 09:25:53 PM

bdub77: MrBallou: I know modern American "Buddhists" who always stop in for Starbucks before going to class to learn to free themselves from material desires. I suspect the irony is lost on them.

I have a friend who posts articles about inequality and declares that the problem with the world is consumerism and the top 1% and literally the next day is showing the $4000 gaming rig he built from scratch.


I'm sure to most of the people in the 3rd World, we FARKERs are the 1%...
 
2014-03-05 09:29:03 PM
"Miss me yet?"


- Steve Jobs
 
2014-03-05 09:30:16 PM

walktoanarcade: "are", subby is the word you were looking for.


Actually, I think it's ambiguous in this case.  As the subject of a sentence, 'percent' can use either a singular or plural verb depending on what it is a percentage OF.  In the headline, there is no prepositional object.  In that case, you have to figure out what the inferred object is, and there are different ways you could read this:

1% [of the population] IS
1% [of people] ARE

I guess it comes down to what prepositional object you think is implied.
 
2014-03-05 09:30:37 PM

pstudent12: Most western "buddhists" don't even know the name of Buddha or the name of his wife, children or parents.


Uh... so... you're lecturing us about cultural illiteracy but you apparently think there is only one Buddha?

I guess... that'll... teach us?
 
2014-03-05 09:31:45 PM
Who would think that a movement founded by an aristocratic 1%er who kept his slaves when he abandoned his family and overindulged in pork while seeking enlightenment would appeal to indulgent self absorbed bankers?
 
2014-03-05 09:32:08 PM

sendtodave: Co-opting, not coverting.


So they're not doing it in secret?
 
2014-03-05 09:32:23 PM

pstudent12: Most western "buddhists" don't even know the name of Buddha


Which Buddha? Buddha is a state of being, not a specific person. One of them is Siddhartha, who you usually see in India.   China has the fat jolly laughing buddha who's belly you rub for good luck. I forget his name.

/What, am I supposed to be able to name all the seraphs too?
 
2014-03-05 09:33:44 PM

Jim_Callahan: bdub77:
Totally. Acid rain is no longer a thing because we destroyed all manufacturing in the US and farmed all those pollutants out to China. Let the Chinese deal with smog so dangerous that elite Olympic athletes didn't want to go there for a few weeks lest they ruin their careers.

I'm being a little snarky here even if I agree with you that the EPA did a good job at fighting pollution in a lot of areas. But we still have a load of problems. EPA could do better if it could kill profit margins with fines.

Well, they tried the "bury people under fines" method and the "just shut it down" method, but what actually ended up working was cap & trade.  So that's what they do now, and it's cut the cost of the program to like 1/4 of the original projections.

I'd disagree with the moving things to china bit, honestly.  The industries we sank were mostly steel and machining, the industries that are the big polluters are paper, shipping, and power generation, all of which are still mostly domestic.  There are some things that we pass to other countries that are big polluters, like Aluminium mining and rare-earth refining, but that's more because there aren't raw materials for those things domestically than anything else.

// Not that machining and steel going overseas isn't  bad, but it's lost-jobs bad, not so much pollution-bad.  There's associated CO2 emissions, that's about it.  A problem, but a problem we have to deal with globally and not really in the agency's ballpark.


CO2 emissions from the steel industry is actually huge though - the power required to make steel is massive. I think in China the steel plants account for 10% of all the power produced in China. The air pollution in our country has improved but energy has come at the cost of water pollution - there are literally hundreds of potential superfund sites in this country. I saw a map of the coal ash sites in NC and there are over 100 of them and almost every one is near the water.

There's no question the EPA has helped the environment and cap and trade might be effective as a policy but water pollution remains a big problem.
 
2014-03-05 09:36:16 PM

Jim_Callahan: pstudent12: Most western "buddhists" don't even know the name of Buddha or the name of his wife, children or parents.

Uh... so... you're lecturing us about cultural illiteracy but you apparently think there is only one Buddha?

I guess... that'll... teach us?


His Buddha is the one true Buddha just like the white Jesus is the right Jesus.

I ain't all that learned in Buddhism but I thought those who achieved a state of Enlightenment were considered a Buddha, and that there have been many of them over the course of history.
 
2014-03-05 09:40:31 PM
i296.photobucket.com

Co-opt this, CONspiracy dupes!
 
2014-03-05 09:42:54 PM
What is the sound of nobody giving a f*ck?
 
2014-03-05 09:43:06 PM

Sum Dum Gai: walktoanarcade: "are", subby is the word you were looking for.

Actually, I think it's ambiguous in this case


No. It. Farking. Isn't.

/grrrr
 
2014-03-05 09:46:17 PM

CruJones: I'm probably not "elite" and I'm no hippy, but I enjoy listening to the Dalai Lama, even saw him once.  Been reading a lot about Buddhism. I'm not religious, but I find a lot of the teachings pretty cool.   I mean he tells fart jokes, and doesn't want everyone to convert to his religion.   A smart, funny, 80 year old who preaches "be nice to each other".  I'm ok with that.

/begin the anti-lama Fark rantings


The Dalai Lama had some condition that required surgery. Someone asked him if it hurt. "Of course, it hurt." he answered. "Buddhism is not magic". That clarified about 400 pages of gobbledygook for me.

Mindfulness for the 1% is just a way of narcotizing their consciences.
 
2014-03-05 09:48:29 PM
I imagine the American version of Buddhism is about as spiritual and non-materialistic as Yoga.

My zen-like apathy towards this remains undisturbed.
 
2014-03-05 09:48:51 PM

big pig peaches: A good percentage of the 1% were hippies.


A buddy of mine works for a hedge fund in Manhattan.  The offices are full of Buddhist statuary, Eastern art, etc.  The owners were a bunch of hippies in the 60s and 70s turned finance guys in the 80s.
 
2014-03-05 09:48:57 PM

miss jinxed: Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.


Nixon is a hippie in todays terns.

He thought money for the drug war should go to treatment of victims.
 
2014-03-05 09:54:25 PM

miss jinxed: Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.


So, the only evil people are hippies?

As someone who was young back then, all environmentalists weren't hippies nor were all hippies environmentalists.

/There are, what, around 100 hippies still in existence?
 
2014-03-05 09:57:17 PM

fluffy2097: pstudent12: Most western "buddhists" don't even know the name of Buddha

Which Buddha? Buddha is a state of being, not a specific person. One of them is Siddhartha, who you usually see in India.   China has the fat jolly laughing buddha who's belly you rub for good luck. I forget his name.

/What, am I supposed to be able to name all the seraphs too?


Gautama Born 567BC
 
2014-03-05 09:58:21 PM

bdub77: There's no question the EPA has helped the environment and cap and trade might be effective as a policy but water pollution remains a big problem.


Well, power generation, plus the reduction of ferrous ores is literally done by layering the ore with coke and burning the coke layers.

Like I said, though, CO2's a new issue that's not really on a scale the EPA can realistically manage even at full power, beyond creating white paper on the subject to advise people doing the international treaties.  One could actually argue pretty convincingly that the  reason CO2 is an issue, also, is that the EPA has solved most of our more urgent air-quality issues.

As to the bit I quoted... yeah.  Pollution's still an issue, and will always be an issue.  Thus the rage over the funding cuts.  Water's a tough nut to crack, we've had some luck with the cap-and-trade model but there are a lot more different chemicals to deal with and time-variant water levels interact with acceptable concentrations in the obvious way, making it kind of a nightmare to make coherent guidelines a lot of places.

// Actually the big "why didn't we think of that 50 years ago" solution for steel's contribution to water pollution was somebody going "hey, wait a minute, isn't part of slag a cementitious binder?"  ... and now a huge chunk of US cement is cut with (or almost entirely) fly ash, turning what used to be waste dumped in the river into a reasonably profitable secondary product.  And the remainder of the slag is less volatile and easier to dispose of.  Not really problem  solved but it was a huge step.
 
2014-03-05 10:02:08 PM

yakmans_dad: miss jinxed: Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.

So, the only evil people are hippies?

As someone who was young back then, all environmentalists weren't hippies nor were all hippies environmentalists.

/There are, what, around 100 hippies still in existence?


Bring this guy back. He appealed to the hippies, squares, straights and queers.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-05 10:10:35 PM

theflatline: yakmans_dad: miss jinxed: Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.

So, the only evil people are hippies?

As someone who was young back then, all environmentalists weren't hippies nor were all hippies environmentalists.

/There are, what, around 100 hippies still in existence?

Bring this guy back. He appealed to the hippies, squares, straights and queers.


Which one, Groucho or Frost?

/get off my lawn
 
2014-03-05 10:13:32 PM

Unobtanium: theflatline: yakmans_dad: miss jinxed: Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.

So, the only evil people are hippies?

As someone who was young back then, all environmentalists weren't hippies nor were all hippies environmentalists.

/There are, what, around 100 hippies still in existence?

Bring this guy back. He appealed to the hippies, squares, straights and queers.

Which one, Groucho or Frost?

/get off my lawn


Dick Cavett old timer.
 
2014-03-05 10:17:55 PM
pstudent12: Most western "buddhists" don't even know the name of Buddha or the name of his wife, children or parents.

Jim_Callahan: Uh... so... you're lecturing us about cultural illiteracy but you apparently think there is only one Buddha?

I guess... that'll... teach us?


So... Buddha was one guy: Siddhartha Gautama. He lived from about 566 BC to 480 BC.
 
2014-03-05 10:42:59 PM

Valiente: Make me one percent, with everything.


If I can be Frank, cuz I always thought that was a pretty straightforward name, at first I was thinking your comma was the one imperfection to you joke. I mean, it didn't ruin it, I still got it.

But then I realized that the comma brings it's own joke by the way it changes the meaning. As in having everything.

/I explain other people's jokes now
 
2014-03-05 11:11:03 PM
So.... they would prefer less mindfullness?   Anything that makes people more aware and less self absorbed is a good thing.
 
2014-03-05 11:11:20 PM

jaytkay: miss jinxed: Hippies are idiots who ruined the "green" "environmentally friendly" stuff for everyone.  Imagine if it had been a Nixon republican spouting all the save the planet crap.  There'd be wind farms on every corner.

The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on
December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order
[pdxretro.com image 474x474]


Nixon also tried to get universal health care, but the Democrats rejected it. Not because they didn't agree, but because they would rather the poor suffer than a Republican get credit.
 
2014-03-05 11:50:13 PM

Unobtanium: Hippies, Nixon, and Buddhism. This thread is one with everything.


There's also a pizza place downtown that can make you one with everything.
 
2014-03-06 12:50:27 AM
Let's face it, any hippie with a VW bus can buy and sell you.
 
2014-03-06 01:12:54 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Whatever your religious beliefs, Buddhist psychology has very sophisticated insights into the human condition. I'm not Buddhist but it provides food for thought.


Much like any popular religion, If it was completely foreign to people it wouldn't be popular.  It has nuggets of wisdom mixed in with a bunch of silly religious woo.
 
2014-03-06 01:31:00 AM

Ker_Thwap: Let's face it, any hippie with a VW bus can buy and sell you.


Meh. I'm a depreciating asset. It'd be their loss...
 
2014-03-06 01:35:14 AM

JungleBoogie: pstudent12: Most western "buddhists" don't even know the name of Buddha or the name of his wife, children or parents.

Jim_Callahan: Uh... so... you're lecturing us about cultural illiteracy but you apparently think there is only one Buddha?

I guess... that'll... teach us?

So... Buddha was one guy: Siddhartha Gautama. He lived from about 566 BC to 480 BC.


Swing and a miss.
 
2014-03-06 02:08:56 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Whatever your religious beliefs, Buddhist psychology has very sophisticated insights into the human condition. I'm not Buddhist but it provides food for thought.


Americans understand Buddhism about as correctly as the Japanese understand Catholicism.

All the iconography is there, it's just... off-filter.
 
2014-03-06 02:11:44 AM

Jim_Callahan: I'd disagree with the moving things to china bit, honestly. The industries we sank were mostly steel and machining, the industries that are the big polluters are paper, shipping, and power generation, all of which are still mostly domestic. There are some things that we pass to other countries that are big polluters, like Aluminium mining and rare-earth refining, but that's more because there aren't raw materials for those things domestically than anything else.


It's not the EPA that makes rare-earth mining difficult, it's MSHA.
 
2014-03-06 03:35:05 AM
My favorite Buddhist teacher occasionally talks about how Dexter mindfully kills his victims. Mindfulness is a means, not an end. In some sense, mindfulness is just a starting point for a Buddhist.
 
2014-03-06 03:36:56 AM
Just my two cents:

Siddhartha Gautama may or may not have existed, the works written about him are entirely hagiographic, and his name translates to "He who achieves his aim." Not saying it's definitely fiction, but...

Buddhism has long been the tool of merchants and the rich for Millennia, that's why it was one of the principal religions of Silk Road Merchants, and Japanese Buddhist temples were essentially tax-havens built by and for the super-rich. (Humanity NEVER changes) Entering the priesthood was a political move in Japan, not a pious one, and tourism in the Edo period was always under the pretext of Temple pilgrimage.

Zen Buddhism was primarily instituted to keep the Samurai in line, and not upset the status quo of the shogunate. It was later co-opted by the Empire of Japan to provide legitimacy to Japanese imperialism, and to provide a rationale for the brutal methods Japanese soldiers would employ, which can be summed up best in the phrase "The sword that gives life." i.e. "It's okay to kill them, because Wheel of Life!"

In my humble opinion, whoever wrote this article is the most naive motherfarker in history.
 
2014-03-06 09:33:20 AM
This is something that has been going on since the 60s. Essentially, the issue is that American Buddhism really looks nothing like Asian Buddhism. American Buddhism is more of a New Age Syncretic religion that uses basic Buddhist ideas and then adds a lot of stuff on top of it while taking away a lot of the stuff that they don't like. Essentially, American Buddhism is a Burger King religion (My way, right away.) This has caused a lot of Asian Buddhists a great deal of grief because they feel their religion has essentially been coopted by people who don't really understand it or practice it in any way resembling how they practice it. Homosexuality is one of the big hang-ups. There are very few traditional Buddhists that would tell you that it is morally OK (even the Dalai Lama was very much against it before cultural headwinds in the West caused him to change his mind.) There are very few American Buddhists that would condemn it. American Buddhists are very frequently atheistic in their practice of Buddhism and you'll even hear them say that Buddhism has no gods. This would come as a shock to most traditional Buddhists that have a very rich and elaborate pantheon. There are also issues with practice, the rituals that American Buddhists use tend to be very distorted through a Western lens. Traditional Buddhism is much more communal and religious in tone while American Buddhism tends to focus on the individual. They also tend to not communicate at all. American Buddhists are put off by many traditional Buddhist practices and Asian Buddhists frequently see American Buddhists as little more than poseurs or crazy Americans. There are actually quite a few scholarly papers on the phenomenon that are interesting reads.
 
2014-03-06 10:30:22 AM

senoy: This is something that has been going on since the 60s. Essentially, the issue is that American Buddhism really looks nothing like Asian Buddhism. American Buddhism is more of a New Age Syncretic religion that uses basic Buddhist ideas and then adds a lot of stuff on top of it while taking away a lot of the stuff that they don't like. Essentially, American Buddhism is a Burger King religion (My way, right away.) This has caused a lot of Asian Buddhists a great deal of grief because they feel their religion has essentially been coopted by people who don't really understand it or practice it in any way resembling how they practice it. Homosexuality is one of the big hang-ups. There are very few traditional Buddhists that would tell you that it is morally OK (even the Dalai Lama was very much against it before cultural headwinds in the West caused him to change his mind.) There are very few American Buddhists that would condemn it. American Buddhists are very frequently atheistic in their practice of Buddhism and you'll even hear them say that Buddhism has no gods. This would come as a shock to most traditional Buddhists that have a very rich and elaborate pantheon. There are also issues with practice, the rituals that American Buddhists use tend to be very distorted through a Western lens. Traditional Buddhism is much more communal and religious in tone while American Buddhism tends to focus on the individual. They also tend to not communicate at all. American Buddhists are put off by many traditional Buddhist practices and Asian Buddhists frequently see American Buddhists as little more than poseurs or crazy Americans. There are actually quite a few scholarly papers on the phenomenon that are interesting reads.



That's an awfully broad brush. I'm not as familiar with other forms, but Indo-Tibetan Buddhism is largely atheistic - the deities are no more real than any other projection of mind. Granted, the lay people who traditionally practiced it in the East might not have realized that, but that's the way it is. Of course, there were and are a lot of Eastern and Western practitioners who meditate simply because of the culture of it or it makes them feel better or whatever, without understanding the philosophy of it. It's just like any religion, or any other human endeavor for that matter. There are a lot of people who go through the motions and a few that actually understand whatever it is that they're doing. As far as homosexuality, that is more of a cultural thing. There's nothing that I know of that explicitly says homosexual conduct is unacceptable unless you are a monastic, in which case any sexual activity is a violation of vows.
 
2014-03-06 11:06:12 AM
My guess is that you're viewing things from a Western worldview. I doubt many Tibetan Buddhists would agree with your assessment and it also exemplifies the problem. The fact that you posit something that is against what traditional Buddhist practitioners would say their religion is about and then proceed to tell them they simply didn't realize that they were wrong and don't understand their own philosophy is pretty much the essential thing that causes the rift.

Imagine if you will that you are a practicing 'Xist' and your family has been a practicing 'Xist' for the last 1000 years and you were raised as an 'Xist' and you do all of the things that every other 'Xist' you know has done and believe the things that every other 'Xist' believes since as long as your grandmother's grandmother remembers. One day, you meet someone that says they are an 'Xist' from a different country and they learned about their 'Xism' from some other person in their country that read a book and spent one summer during college at a religious retreat in your country and they politely inform you that what you're doing is incorrect and that you fail to understand 'Xism' and  you simply are ignorant of true 'Xist' beliefs that they are privileged to know via their reading and their religious leader. You would be offended at best and likely feel that they are full of all manner of fecal matter. That pretty much sums up what many Asian Buddhists feel about their Western counterparts.
 
2014-03-06 12:36:34 PM

senoy: My guess is that you're viewing things from a Western worldview. I doubt many Tibetan Buddhists would agree with your assessment and it also exemplifies the problem. The fact that you posit something that is against what traditional lay Buddhist practitioners would say their religion is about and then proceed to tell them they simply didn't realize that they were wrong and don't understand their own philosophy is pretty much the essential thing that causes the rift.

Imagine if you will that you are a practicing 'Xist' and your family has been a practicing 'Xist' for the last 1000 years and you were raised as an 'Xist' and you do all of the things that every other 'Xist' you know has done and believe the things that every other 'Xist' believes since as long as your grandmother's grandmother remembers. One day, you meet someone that says they are an 'Xist' from a different country and they learned about their 'Xism' from some other person in their country that read a book and spent one summer during college at a religious retreat in your country and they politely inform you that what you're doing is incorrect and that you fail to understand 'Xism' and  you simply are ignorant of true 'Xist' beliefs that they are privileged to know via their reading and their religious leader. You would be offended at best and likely feel that they are full of all manner of fecal matter. That pretty much sums up what many Asian Buddhists feel about their Western counterparts.


FTFY
I'm actually friends with a monk from Bhutan. He says a lot of the Easterners are lazy and don't practice or study in contrast to Western Buddhists. For them, it's like Christians who go to church on Christmas and Easter. There is a rift, but I don't see why that's a problem. I'm also not sure why you assume to know how I'm looking at the situation. Are you a Buddhist practitioner?
 
2014-03-06 03:00:21 PM

senoy: it also exemplifies the problem.


What problem?
 
2014-03-06 06:47:12 PM

scalpod: [i296.photobucket.com image 90x132]

Co-opt this, CONspiracy dupes!


What makes you think "Bob" isn't behind the yuppie Buddhist movement?  After all, these fools are paying to know what they really think, just as He predicted.
 
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