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2014-03-05 07:30:13 PM

Jim_Callahan: The two counties explicitly mentioned (Hidalgo, Wallacy) are so red they're basically  infrared.  Losing by a large margin in an area where most of the Democratic primary voters are  bored Republicans listing (D) because their own races are uncontested isn't exactly an indication of low party popularity.

... Sorry for interrupting the partisan whatever you were doing with actual information, you may resume now.


The information you're giving is total bullshiat.

Hidalgo County contains the 15th congressional district (D+1) and 28th district (D+2), and voted for Obama over Romney by a margin of 71%-29%.
 
2014-03-05 07:33:41 PM

Captain Dan: geek_mars: This makes sense as things stand right now, but there's plenty of time between now and November for Abbott (or the Nuge) to piss them off enough to come and vote against him.

If I were Greg Abbott's campaign manager, I'd allow him one unscripted interview, and I'd kidnap Ted Nugent.


You're a braver man than I (or perhaps just more politically savvy). If I were Greg Abbott's campaign manager I'd forbid him from responding to questions in any form other than email that I could check, double-check, have independently checked, make sure was edited to remove anything inflammatory, stupid, insulting or false, and I'd exile Ted Nugent.
 
2014-03-05 07:36:33 PM

Karac: Doesn't Texas have closed primaries?  So won't most of the people who voted against Davis yesterday also vote for her in November?


Nope, any registered voter can walk into the polling location and vote in any primary they choose.
 
2014-03-05 07:37:23 PM

Jim_Callahan: The two counties explicitly mentioned (Hidalgo, Wallacy) are so red they're basically  infrared.  Losing by a large margin in an area where most of the Democratic primary voters are  bored Republicans listing (D) because their own races are uncontested isn't exactly an indication of low party popularity.

AeAe: Texas elected Perry, Cruz, Cornyn, Stockman, Gohmert .. That's a who's who of right wing extremism and idiocy.

Texas will not elect Davis.

Well, gubernatorial elections are essentially by direct vote with a few perturbations.  By actual population the state's almost exactly 50/50 on the R/D mix... that makes us really red by national standards, but since the gerrymandering doesn't apply as well as it usually does in this election, campaigning well and actually getting the (D) voters to the polls even when their other votes are meaningless could actually pretty easily net you the state.

Albeit... Davis isn't actually very charismatic and not as politically savvy as she could be, so I doubt she'll pull it off too.  But it's not really a matter of the demographics screwing her, she just doesn't have the skill or force of personality to overcome incumbent advantage.  She's banking on the GOP to sink itself... which it will, no doubt, but not to the tun of the 7 or 8 points that being the incumbent executive tends to give.

// Sorry for interrupting the partisan whatever you were doing with actual information, you may resume now.


I think I must be confused. Perry isn't seeking reelection, so unless you're attributing incumbent advantage to Abbott I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
 
2014-03-05 07:43:22 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Captain Dan: Let me get this straight.  Your party's plan to excite and mobilize millions of Latino voters is to nominate a lady who's famous only for supporting abortion?

She's also famously not Republican, which helps a great deal in getting Hispanic people to vote for her.  The other party has a real problem with minority and youth and female turnout.


Because GWB winning nearly half of Latino's mean a win for dems. The GOP does well with Latino's in Texas (they even elect them like Cruz), the former head of the Texas Sheriff's Association was a Latino Republican (who retired a few years back after 18 years as Sheriff in his county)
ww3.hdnux.com

Oh and if you complain about any education policies in Texas like Creationism and other stuff you're now a racist because this guy is the Education Commissioner in Texas
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And in the last Houston mayoral elections, the GOP endorsed a gay woman in the runoff election. And the head of the largest Tea Party group in the state is half black and half arab. The GOP speaker in the state is Jewish, and there are other things about the Texas GOP that I find interesting and weird

Texas GOP: The most confusing GOP in the country, don't try to understand it

/New Yorker (a State where Wendy Davis would be a blue-dog)
 
2014-03-05 07:44:44 PM
What happened to the Texas that elected Ann Richards?
 
2014-03-05 07:44:53 PM

Captain Dan: But Hispanics in Texas are over 40% Republican.


Maybe. And maybe they were but the demo is now shifting.

"But the group has two factors on its side: the state's growing Hispanic population, which has favored the Democratic Party over Republicans by a 19-point margin in recent polls, and the meticulous door-to-door organizing techniques honed nationwide during Obama's two presidential campaigns. "
 
2014-03-05 07:47:22 PM

max_pooper: Karac: Doesn't Texas have closed primaries?  So won't most of the people who voted against Davis yesterday also vote for her in November?

Nope, any registered voter can walk into the polling location and vote in any primary they choose.


I thought it was at least a pick-one-or-the-other deal.

In any case, that makes the 'article' mean even less.  Oh no!  Wendy Davis failed to get 80% of the vote in an election Republicans could vote in!
 
2014-03-05 07:47:55 PM
So in other words, the chances of her winning is pretty damn thin.
 
2014-03-05 07:49:13 PM

Karac: max_pooper: Karac: Doesn't Texas have closed primaries?  So won't most of the people who voted against Davis yesterday also vote for her in November?

Nope, any registered voter can walk into the polling location and vote in any primary they choose.

I thought it was at least a pick-one-or-the-other deal.

In any case, that makes the 'article' mean even less.  Oh no!  Wendy Davis failed to get 80% of the vote in an election Republicans could vote in!


Yes, you can only vote in once but you can vote any primary you want.
 
2014-03-05 07:49:54 PM
The polls will be close, and it will probably go to Abbott. BUT! It'll be closer than everyone thinks, and that's the start of progress. I'm not expecting Davis to win, just like I'm not expecting the House to flip all the way back to D control, but it'll be fun to watch. And I'm not saying a Davis loss and a tightening of the cap in the house would be considered "wins" by any means, but it'll be a very obvious step towards the kind of progress we need in this country.

D's have gone to the center and R's have gone batshiat insane. The center would be way better.
 
2014-03-05 07:50:03 PM

max_pooper: Karac: Doesn't Texas have closed primaries?  So won't most of the people who voted against Davis yesterday also vote for her in November?

Nope, any registered voter can walk into the polling location and vote in any primary they choose.


I've never understood primaries. The closed ones are strictly intra-party. To me they're private affairs and should not be publicly funded.

The open ones are confusing. You can only vote in one party's primary. But the way I see it, it's (at least) two different elections. The candidates aren't running for the same office. They're running for nominations in different parties (again all of this should be funded by the farking parties).

Unless you want your "open primary" to be a true primary where the top two vote getters go on to a run-off to decide who gets into office, then each voter should get to vote in each primary since they're really separate races.
 
2014-03-05 07:51:42 PM

jedihirsch: Because GWB winning nearly half of Latino's mean a win for dems.


Bush actively solicited Latino votes which is what got him the win.  Cruz?  Not so much.
 
2014-03-05 07:52:57 PM

Fart_Machine: jedihirsch: Because GWB winning nearly half of Latino's mean a win for dems.

Bush actively solicited Latino votes which is what got him the win.  Cruz?  Not so much.


Also the GOP has really cranked up the brown hate since 2000.
 
2014-03-05 07:59:05 PM

BMulligan: What happened to the Texas that elected Ann Richards?


Davis's only hope is her own Clayton Williams. He was, after all, an early starter with the GOP rape offensive.
 
2014-03-05 07:59:44 PM

jedihirsch: Oh and if you complain about any education policies in Texas like Creationism and other stuff you're now a racist because this guy is the Education Commissioner in Texas


I get what you're going for, but disagreeing with a black guy =/= racism. Ever. Instead, regardless of skin color, laugh at the idea of an Education Commissioner in Texas, especially one that endorses creationism.
 
2014-03-05 08:12:34 PM
Those demographics are rapidly changing. Age differences between Hispanic and white Texans help explain the growth of Texas' Hispanic population. More than half of Hispanic Texans are under age 30, while 35 percent of white Texans are under age 30, the report said.
Start talking about immigration and watch the demo really slide left.
 
2014-03-05 08:28:17 PM
all the koch money that will be dumped into texas during the next few election cycles could, well, could do a lot of good things.

rabid television commercials are not one of them
 
2014-03-05 08:28:30 PM

AeAe: She's going to get destroyed. And I support Wendy.

Texas elected Perry, Cruz, Cornyn, Stockman, Gohmert .. That's a who's who of right wing extremism and idiocy.

Texas will not elect Davis.


Pretty much this.
 
2014-03-05 08:30:18 PM
Jim_Callahan:  ... But it's not really a matter of the demographics screwing her, she just doesn't have the skill or force of personality to overcome incumbent advantage....

There is no incumbent. Perry isn't running again. This is the first open election since 1990.

If I remember correctly, in the 2012 presidential election, it was a 53/47%* split (R/D ) with Houston, Austin, and DFW areas pulling in the most Dems. It really is 'urban' vs. 'rural' votes for Dems and Repubs here. Valley vote might change that if people registered, but not expecting the numbers to turn out. What's surprising is that a lot of hispanic voters from the south Texas area affiliate as R. And interestingly, or disturbingly, they often state abortion stance as one of the primary reasons. (no citation, just what I'm told from those on the active political front in Texas. Yes, people on the front lines of this years race!)
 
2014-03-05 08:31:54 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Those demographics are rapidly changing. Age differences between Hispanic and white Texans help explain the growth of Texas' Hispanic population. More than half of Hispanic Texans are under age 30, while 35 percent of white Texans are under age 30, the report said.
Start talking about immigration and watch the demo really slide left.


THIS.  Latinos will vote for the Latino over the unknown candidate. And oh yeah, we care about more than abortion. But keep making that mistake, derpers. The Aaron Pena cited in the article in a self-hating coconut who sold out to the Rep party after his district was gerrymandered. He's a laughing stalk in political circles.

P.S. Kinky Friedman and his pro-weed platform could be an interesting addition to the ticket, especially in terms of turnout.


/durtymeskan
 
2014-03-05 08:35:26 PM

Captain Dan: The information you're giving is total bullshiat.

Hidalgo County contains the 15th congressional district (D+1) and 28th district (D+2), and voted for Obama over Romney by a margin of 71%-29%.


Sorry, "east of Hidalgo" is what TFA said, I farked up in transcribing it.  Mea culpa on that being misleading/incorrect.

Hidalgo itself does have two of the dump-counties for the Gerrymandering, yeah.  Look east of that to where TFA is directing attention, though...

geek_mars: I think I must be confused. Perry isn't seeking reelection, so unless you're attributing incumbent advantage to Abbott I'm not sure I understand what you mean.


He's been the AG (i.e. part of the executive branch) since 2002.  AG is much more high-profile in state politics than the governorship, since it actually does things (the Texas governor very, very intentionally doesn't have the ability to do a goddamned thing, since we're a reconstruction government and only had to look a little to the right to see LA getting farked by carpetbaggers).  He's essentially "one of the guys in charge" already.

Albeit, no, not literally incumbent, so maybe shave a few points off the uphill climb for Davis.

Still probably won't overcome it, though, the gerrymander's bad enough that she has to overcome the fact that literally nothing else that (D) voters will be checking on the ballot has even the slightest chance of mattering.  That's a big chunk of system-enforced voter apathy.  You have to get people excited enough that they're willing to stand in line for two hours on their lunch break for literally one relatively un-charismatic politician with  absurdly annoying e-mail spam advertising (I have literally 14 campaign-ads for her in my inbox now, I cleaned it three days ago).

// Not sure why I say "Mea culpa" occasionally when it literally means "My bad" and that's already an expression in my own language.  Kinda silly now I think on it.
 
2014-03-05 08:41:33 PM

Triple Oak: jedihirsch: Oh and if you complain about any education policies in Texas like Creationism and other stuff you're now a racist because this guy is the Education Commissioner in Texas

I get what you're going for, but disagreeing with a black guy =/= racism. Ever. Instead, regardless of skin color, laugh at the idea of an Education Commissioner in Texas, especially one that endorses creationism.


He didn't endorse it, he just said that there should be a debate if it should be in the schools and be taught side by side with evolution. Regardless, you gotta agree he wears the bow tie well.
 
2014-03-05 08:43:37 PM
Willacy County doesn't seem red. Democrats got 2400 votes vs 130 for the GOP candidates.

On the other hand, when they're trying t make a big deal that Davis "only" got 79% of the Dem vote statewide, and they found a county where she lost 61%-39%, but where there were only ~2500 voters in the whole county, I think they're reaching a bit.

I still wouldn't rate her chances in November very high. Overall, the Democrat nominees got about 1/3 of the vote.
 
2014-03-05 08:53:51 PM
This fall, reports showed Davis had raised "less than $700 from the four largest cities in the Rio Grande Valley." Even more amusingly, Davis's opponent claimed $0 in contributions on his campaign finance report in January. Yet, he still came out on top.
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It's surprising that a person who raised $700 more than their opponent ended up losing to that opponent?

/No one down there is going to vote democrat in the actual election anyway
 
2014-03-05 09:00:44 PM

super_grass: So in other words, the chances of her winning is pretty damn thin.


I dunno. I think drought conditions and the end results of the fire season in the Fall are going to effect the election.
 
2014-03-05 09:24:09 PM

jedihirsch: Triple Oak: jedihirsch: Oh and if you complain about any education policies in Texas like Creationism and other stuff you're now a racist because this guy is the Education Commissioner in Texas

I get what you're going for, but disagreeing with a black guy =/= racism. Ever. Instead, regardless of skin color, laugh at the idea of an Education Commissioner in Texas, especially one that endorses creationism.

He didn't endorse it, he just said that there should be a debate if it should be in the schools and be taught side by side with evolution. Regardless, you gotta agree he wears the bow tie well.


Uh the whole "teach the controversy" is just as embarrassing.
 
2014-03-05 09:24:25 PM
Don't worry, there's no way for her republican opponent to stand up to her.
 
2014-03-05 09:33:48 PM

wildcardjack: Don't worry, there's no way for her republican opponent to stand up to her.


That doesn't mean he can't roll right over her.
 
2014-03-05 09:38:01 PM
There's still time to run me in the Republican primary against Mitch McConnell, but y'all won't, so then I'll be telling you again when there's still time to run me against Rand Paul.

I can easily come out with some positions that would make those guys seem like pinkos. Easily. The strategy of running sort of liberal Democrats against them won't work in Kentucky; here you have to outflank them from the Right. Like in '63 when Wallace said "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" the way to beat him was to run a "Bring back slavery!" campaign.

Then all I'd have to do is take a dive in the real election, like McCain did in '08 by picking Sarah Palin. That is, if there's something in it for me. Otherwise being the most right-wing candidate might get me elected, which might mean I'd be the first Republican Senator to switch to the Socialist Party USA. What could they do, recall me? Of course I wouldn't get re-elected, and one term in the Senate might well keep me from getting back on SSI forever, but I'd be famous.

My Paypal account is linked to the email address in my Profile. Donate early, donate often!

/ But don't tell any real Republicans what I'm up to: it's a secret plan, see.
 
2014-03-05 09:45:22 PM

AeAe: I was just thinking that Texas has one of the highest, if not the highest population of uninsured folks and that was particularly evil to not allow Medicaid expansion for a state that could benefit most from it.


It should be impossible for any state to do that. It's one thing to legalize marijuana against Federal wishes, it's another to inflict something like this on the people.

A real socialist tyrant would have federalized the Texas National Guard to handle traffic control while the Army rolled up the tanks and APCs. Or something.

Guillotines, fellow Farkers.
 
2014-03-05 09:50:19 PM

Triple Oak: I get what you're going for, but disagreeing with a black guy =/= racism. Ever.


Then you don't read many Fark political threads, because it seems if you disagree with Obama it's only due to racism. There's no other explanation. For He is perfection incarnate.
 
2014-03-05 10:08:17 PM

AeAe: The answer, of course, is for these old, white, southern bigots need to die off.  Shouldn't take long.


The problem is, they have kids, that they raised. And they're worse.
 
2014-03-05 10:10:28 PM

The One True TheDavid: AeAe: I was just thinking that Texas has one of the highest, if not the highest population of uninsured folks and that was particularly evil to not allow Medicaid expansion for a state that could benefit most from it.

It should be impossible for any state to do that. It's one thing to legalize marijuana against Federal wishes, it's another to inflict something like this on the people.

A real socialist tyrant would have federalized the Texas National Guard to handle traffic control while the Army rolled up the tanks and APCs. Or something.

Guillotines, fellow Farkers.


The sickest part is, it will work. When people in those states go bankrupt due to a medical issue they will blame Obamacare.
 
2014-03-05 10:13:33 PM

Alien Robot: Triple Oak: I get what you're going for, but disagreeing with a black guy =/= racism. Ever.

Then you don't read many Fark political threads, because it seems if you disagree with Obama it's only due to racism. There's no other explanation. For He is perfection incarnate.


he's a center right corporate apologist. how's that?
 
2014-03-05 10:18:27 PM

Captain Dan: If Hispanic voters, a majority of all Democrats in Texas, are so turned off by Wendy Davis's abortion activism that they'd rather file a protest vote for a no-hoper, it's less likely that they'll turn out for her in the general election.


I believe they had similar sentiments about female voters that voted for Hillary in 2008.  Barack Obama still won handily.
 
2014-03-05 10:20:43 PM
So...Davis won the nomination, but she's a loser because her very conservative challenger won more votes in conservative areas?

file.walagata.com
 
2014-03-05 10:22:20 PM
Good luck to her then.
 
2014-03-05 10:41:04 PM

Alien Robot: Triple Oak: I get what you're going for, but disagreeing with a black guy =/= racism. Ever.

Then you don't read many Fark political threads, because it seems if you disagree with Obama it's only due to racism. There's no other explanation. For He is perfection incarnate.


Falling back on the classics tonight, are we?
 
2014-03-05 10:47:26 PM

meat0918: AeAe: The answer, of course, is for these old, white, southern bigots need to die off.  Shouldn't take long.

Yeah, but Obamacare's Medicaid/Medicare expansion could add years to their lives.

Thanks a lot, Obama!


Good thing Rick Perry nixed that
 
2014-03-05 11:00:45 PM

DrBenway: Alien Robot: Triple Oak: I get what you're going for, but disagreeing with a black guy =/= racism. Ever.

Then you don't read many Fark political threads, because it seems if you disagree with Obama it's only due to racism. There's no other explanation. For He is perfection incarnate.

Falling back on the classics tonight, are we?


I don't mind - it makes it easier to fill the ignore list with the people you know are never going to contribute a useful opinion.
 
2014-03-05 11:03:46 PM
Voting is not just about dollars. May the best person win.
 
2014-03-05 11:05:01 PM

Triple Oak: jedihirsch: Oh and if you complain about any education policies in Texas like Creationism and other stuff you're now a racist because this guy is the Education Commissioner in Texas

I get what you're going for, but disagreeing with a black guy =/= racism. Ever. Instead, regardless of skin color, laugh at the idea of an Education Commissioner in Texas, especially one that endorses creationism.


WE GET IT, HE'S BLACK

your argument is now invalid
 
2014-03-05 11:09:09 PM

Captain Dan: jso2897: More kkkrap form Kkklownhall, brought to you by Farkkk.com.

Was that ironic?  Do people still do the "k" thing seriously?


25.media.tumblr.com

Some do...
 
2014-03-05 11:21:26 PM

jst3p: The One True TheDavid: AeAe: I was just thinking that Texas has one of the highest, if not the highest population of uninsured folks and that was particularly evil to not allow Medicaid expansion for a state that could benefit most from it.

It should be impossible for any state to do that. It's one thing to legalize marijuana against Federal wishes, it's another to inflict something like this on the people.

A real socialist tyrant would have federalized the Texas National Guard to handle traffic control while the Army rolled up the tanks and APCs. Or something.

Guillotines, fellow Farkers.

The sickest part is, it will work. When people in those states go bankrupt due to a medical issue they will blame Obamacare.


Sadly yes.  Everyone remember the reporter who infromed a 'Bagger that his taxes were actually going to decrease under Obamas plan?  The look of denial on that mans face was epic.
 
2014-03-05 11:22:22 PM

CygnusDarius: AeAe: The answer, of course, is for these old, white, southern bigots need to die off.  Shouldn't take long.

The problem is, they have kids, that they raised. And they're worse.


There's the hope that they will rebel against their parents.  It happens all the time.

I see it my younger friends - they're not bigoted like their parents
 
2014-03-05 11:22:39 PM
omg the Democrats aren't all in lockstep. stop the presses!
 
2014-03-05 11:29:54 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: Why are they so afraid of a strong liberal woman?


I'd ask the same thing to liberals.
 
2014-03-05 11:39:54 PM

BSABSVR: Ha ha!  You won slightly less convincingly than some people hoped!  I bet it totally sucks to be you!


Interestingly, that was the actual rallying cry from one of the crazy-ass teabagger senator candidates in 2010.  "Well she obviously doesn't deserve your vote.  She's not even beating me by double-digits!  How pitiful is that?"
 
2014-03-06 01:55:13 AM

Omahawg: he's a center right corporate apologist. how's that?


That's racist.
 
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