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(The Raw Story)   Remember that TX family court judge whose daughter posted a video of him beating her with a belt? In a rare show of sanity, Texas voters decided he can't be a judge anymore   (rawstory.com) divider line 158
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2014-03-06 11:55:16 AM

CtrlAltDestroy: geek_mars: Taking a belt to a sixteen year old may not constitute abuse (though that's debatable), but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt.

You seem to be under the assumption that she needed what happened and seem to be overlooking that idea that this was done out of anger instead of as some sort of attempt at a corrective action.

This isn't failed parenting. This is a failure as a person on the part of the ex-judge.

And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. That line of reasoning isn't valid. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.

You can be feared as a parent or respected as a parent. Despite many people's opinions, there's little overlap. Fear do not equal respect.


I wonder how many of the people who defend this because "my daddy hit me, and I turned out just fine", actually have really strained relationships with their parents as adults, or no relationship at all. I've seen that with people I know. They'll go on about how their parents used to basically beat the hell out of them and how it taught them "respect" and they turned out great, but they barely even speak to their parents, if at all. It doesn't seem to teach "respect" or any of that nonsense, it just breeds anger, resentment and mistrust.

doubled99: And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.


No, they don't need to. It's their children, and no one else's business.


So anything a parent decides to do to their child is just a-ok, huh? What about sexual abuse? Is that no one else's business too? We're talking about human beings with rights, not property. No you do not have the right to do with your children as you damn well please. There are legal limits, and there needs to be.
 
2014-03-06 12:15:55 PM
So anything a parent decides to do to their child is just a-ok, huh? What about sexual abuse? Is that no one else's business too? We're talking about human beings with rights, not property. No you do not have the right to do with your children as you damn well please. There are legal limits, and there needs to be.


great point!
-if there had been sexual abuse here. But there isn't so your point is stupid.
 
2014-03-06 12:54:46 PM
A little obscure, but...
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2014-03-06 02:43:19 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: My parents used a far more effective tool than a belt to keep me in line : Guilt*

/ *may not work with every kid


So you're Jewish, huh?
 
2014-03-06 02:47:14 PM

Masta Kronix: As always;

It's illegal to physically assault an adult, why then is it completely fine to physically assault a child?

Makes no sense.

If you think it's acceptable to strike a child you were most probably beat as a child by your parents and have serious anger issues since you can't seem to keep yourself from striking a child.



THIS.

We live in a farked-up nation where people think it's "good old fashioned parenting" for a 40-year-old man to beat his 16-year-old daughter, but it's "perverted and sick" when a 19-year-old has sex with that same 16-year-old. The father gets re-elected, the young man gets put on the sex offender's list.

America considers violence better than sex. That's morally corrupt, right there.
 
2014-03-06 03:13:23 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: geek_mars: Taking a belt to a sixteen year old may not constitute abuse (though that's debatable), but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt.

You seem to be under the assumption that she needed what happened and seem to be overlooking that idea that this was done out of anger instead of as some sort of attempt at a corrective action.

This isn't failed parenting. This is a failure as a person on the part of the ex-judge.



I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say that I'm under the impression that "she needed what happened". If you mean she needed to be disciplined then I'd say that if she was doing illegal downloading then she needed to be corrected. And I'm not overlooking the idea that his actions were done in anger, with the pretense of discipline used to justify his abuse, but how is venting one's anger on one's children not a parenting failure? Failing as a person and failing as a parent aren't mutually exclusive. This guy's managed to do both spectacularly.

My comment was more about parenting in general as opposed to this specific instance, and I stand by what I said. There's no reason to take a belt to a kid and little reason to use corporal punishment once a child is able to think, reason and communicate. If a parent doesn't teach their child to do those things, that still doesn't justify taking a belt to the child.
 
2014-03-06 04:13:19 PM
Discipline comes from the Latin word disciplina meaning to teach and learn.  This is not the modern usage, now it is used to mean punish.  What would we call the Disciples of Jesus nowadays?
 
2014-03-06 07:56:24 PM

geek_mars: My comment was more about parenting in general as opposed to this specific instance, and I stand by what I said. There's no reason to take a belt to a kid and little reason to use corporal punishment once a child is able to think, reason and communicate. If a parent doesn't teach their child to do those things, that still doesn't justify taking a belt to the child.


Ah. Your comment made me think that you felt that she needed to be hit for the downloading.

"but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt."

I took that as you saying that his poor parenting skills led to her needing to be hit. As if the situation, that being the result of bad parenting, led to what happened being a necessity.

There is no reason to hit any child over downloading things, imho. You seem to agree with this. Although I'm finding your style of wording things to be less than clear (to me) in general. I think that we're on the same page, here.

And yes, being a failure as a person and being a failure as a parent aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. I get the feeling that his default course of action is force and unleashing anger until he feels satisfied. To me that is a failure as a person as that's probably his way of dealing with everything. Parenting just happens to be one of those things. It's entirely possible to be a good person in general but bad at parenting. One doesn't have to exist alongside the other.

To me, he seems like an overall failure as a person which supersedes everything else by being a root cause. I was probably less than clear about that, myself.
 
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