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(The Raw Story)   Remember that TX family court judge whose daughter posted a video of him beating her with a belt? In a rare show of sanity, Texas voters decided he can't be a judge anymore   (rawstory.com ) divider line
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2014-03-05 09:51:16 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Guys it really isnt even that bad of a spanking sheesh. I aint saying it is or is not right. Im just saying that particular video really aint that bad.


I've never seen anything like it in my life, outside of movies.  I pity you if your childhood made that seem "not that bad".
 
2014-03-05 09:53:49 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: !

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


No, actually, you don't

www.theesa.com
 
2014-03-05 09:58:38 PM  

2wolves: svanmeter: I have a son in Law School

Do we need more lawyers?


that judge went to law school.
 
2014-03-05 10:04:41 PM  
Meh, said it before, will probably say it again 'cause I'm annoying like that: it is at least debatable that there will be times in a kid's life when some sort of physical shiat is necessary. Not getting into the yes and no of that here. What I AM getting into, is WTSamF is going on that you feel you need a weapon to do this with? Seriously. And yes, regardless of how big, small, bendy, or not it may be it's a device to hurt someone worse than your hand, that's called a weapon - no matter what rationalizing you do to try to get around it. All other considerations aside you feel you need to whallop your kid with something to make it worse? FFS stop a minute and think about that. If it's truly needful by whatever beliefs you hold, unless you feel compelled to actually injure your children (in which case feel free to DIAF) there's no damn need for that.

/and for the "I don't want to hurt my hand doing it" crowd suck it up... you're doing yourself that much damage maybe you need to think a few on how much of what you're doing is justifiable and how much of it is you taking your anger out by kicking your kid's ass instead of trying to get a point across.
//sure sometimes you do want to kick their ass straight up - they can easily be that annoying. The fact that you do not do that is why you're a parent and not just a farkup that has unfortunately been given custody of a minor by accident of birth
 
2014-03-05 10:24:58 PM  
/rant

All my siblings were beaten by my father, my elder sister worst of all, for no reason.   Well, I guess my father being schitzophrenic, bi-polar, and suffering from PTSD and completely un-medicated had something to do with it.

Something about being four years old and hiding in the hallway, cringing with each lash my father gave my six year old sister, hearing her screams...because she was given a notebook by my grandmother.  Because she was "wasting paper."

By the time I was seven, and she nine, we were getting between my father and his blows directed at my one year old brother.  My mom pretended none of this happened, but she did have the foresight to cover up our bruises and cancel visits with relatives who were growing savvy to my dad's "discipline."

I've spent the last ten years of my life undoing the mental damage done to me by his violence and my mother's complete apathy.  I hope my sister can put her demons to rest, but it's a constant struggle.  Luckily, my brothers don't remember any of it, because they were still young when Dad got medicated. 

There is a big farking difference between discipline and physical violence.  If you sit angry that somebody might get their kids taken away because they beat them, then I can only hope to hell you don't breed.  Your potential kids deserve better. 

And thank the gods, Texas voters did something right for once.  Fark this judge, and his wife.  Fark them both right to hell.

/end rant
 
2014-03-05 10:29:03 PM  
I never hit my kid because I wouldn't be able to live with the guilt. anyhow, she never gave me a reason to and for that I'm grateful.

my mother felt no guilt, 5 feet nothing, 90 pounds and hands like iron claws.
 
2014-03-05 10:30:13 PM  

Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.


That explains how you became an authoritarian nutjob.
 
2014-03-05 10:33:12 PM  
saddest part of the article:

Aransas County Attorney Richard Bianchi narrowly defeated Judge William Adams in the Republican primary election, according to unofficial vote counts.

The piece of shiat nearly won reelection.
 
2014-03-05 10:46:48 PM  
My parents used a far more effective tool than a belt to keep me in line : Guilt*

/ *may not work with every kid
 
2014-03-05 11:13:57 PM  

geek_mars: I'm not against corporal punishment, but what parent needs to take a belt to a sixteen year old? We're talking about a young woman who developed the ability to reason a decade prior. Once a child can think, reason and communicate the need for corporal punishment steadily increases.


FTFY.
 
2014-03-05 11:16:48 PM  

coachwdb: Anyone the uses the "spare the Rod spoil the child" verse as an excuse for corporal punishment is an idiot. Rods were used by sheep Hearders to guide their sheep. They didn't beat their sheep with a Rod.


That interpretation has been eliminated from present day "conservative" "Christianity."
 
2014-03-05 11:17:04 PM  

2wolves: svanmeter: I have a son in Law School

Do we need more lawyers?


It's okay, his other son graduated top of his class in the Navy Seals. So he has that going for him, which is nice.
 
2014-03-05 11:45:47 PM  
And the pussification of America continues unabated.
 
2014-03-06 03:03:02 AM  
Her dad is such a lightweight Nancy, mine stripped our asses before he hit us with the belt. She still had her pants on!

Honestly, that was nothing. Guy wasn't even hitting her hard.

Kids these days are pussy little shiats. OoOoOo... a "time out."
 
2014-03-06 04:16:21 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: /Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


The "reality" you've demonstrated in this thread is your complete inability to deal intelligently with anyone who disagrees with you. A fine testimony for the way you were raised indeed!
 
2014-03-06 06:51:51 AM  
That chick was hot. I wonder what ever happened to her?
 
2014-03-06 09:12:43 AM  
So parents aren't allowed to discipline their kids anymore. Good to know.
 
2014-03-06 09:55:40 AM  
"Arkansas County Attorney Richard Bianchi narrowly defeated Judge William Adams in the Republican primary election, according to unofficial vote counts "

I take it Adams lost because his constituents felt he was too soft.
 
2014-03-06 10:05:21 AM  
Numerous psychological studies have shown that punishment is, by and large, useless for behaviour modification.

The ONLY time when punishment had a net positive, long-term effect on bad behaviour was if it was given within SECONDS of the bad behaviour (IE you had to catch them in the act, not punish them for something they did earlier that day), if it didn't last more than a few seconds, and if it was given WITHOUT ANY EMOTION.  If you followed those three rules, it didn't matter if your punishment was a loud yell, a smack on the head, or taking away their favourite toy.  It didn't matter if the punishment was psychological, verbal, or physical.  As long as it was done quickly, after catching them in the act, and without anger.
 
2014-03-06 10:44:24 AM  
If  disciplining your 16 year oldrequires a belt, you have failed miserably and you suck at discipline. Especially here, when the girl's crime had such an easily available, built in discipline opportunity:

"You have shown that you are unable to use the computer appropriately. Therefore, you have lost your computer until you prove that you are responsible enough to be trusted with it."

Problem solved.
 
2014-03-06 11:01:35 AM  

Nix Nightbird: My dad's choice was a 2x2 we called "the stick", and you can bet that when I got old enough I broke that farking thing in half.

I don't remember my childhood before a certain point, but I do remember being 8 years old and being whipped with that damned stick. My folks never grounded me or locked me in my room without dinner. Dad just smacked me with that stick on my rear and thighs.

Conversely, I won't use corporal punishment on kids. All it does is makes them fear you. It doesn't teach them anything other than "bigger people will hold you down and hit you if you break their arbitrary rules."


Or a "Mommy and Daddy will take out all their emotions and frustrations out on you with no rhyme or reason".
 
2014-03-06 11:24:43 AM  

geek_mars: Taking a belt to a sixteen year old may not constitute abuse (though that's debatable), but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt.


You seem to be under the assumption that she needed what happened and seem to be overlooking that idea that this was done out of anger instead of as some sort of attempt at a corrective action.

This isn't failed parenting. This is a failure as a person on the part of the ex-judge.

And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. That line of reasoning isn't valid. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.

You can be feared as a parent or respected as a parent. Despite many people's opinions, there's little overlap. Fear do not equal respect.
 
2014-03-06 11:33:20 AM  
And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.


No, they don't need to. It's their children, and no one else's business.
 
2014-03-06 11:37:56 AM  
As always;

It's illegal to physically assault an adult, why then is it completely fine to physically assault a child?

Makes no sense.

If you think it's acceptable to strike a child you were most probably beat as a child by your parents and have serious anger issues since you can't seem to keep yourself from striking a child.
 
2014-03-06 11:42:13 AM  

doubled99: And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.


No, they don't need to. It's their children, and no one else's business.


It becomes the public's business when your child learns physical violence is an acceptable solution to problems and then brings that into the public domain.

Where do you think all these violent adults learned their aggressive behavior? You think they magically inherented a violence gene or perhaps they learned the behavior from their parents.

You hit a child, all you're doing is teaching that child that violence is an acceptable solutions to life's problems.
 
2014-03-06 11:55:16 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: geek_mars: Taking a belt to a sixteen year old may not constitute abuse (though that's debatable), but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt.

You seem to be under the assumption that she needed what happened and seem to be overlooking that idea that this was done out of anger instead of as some sort of attempt at a corrective action.

This isn't failed parenting. This is a failure as a person on the part of the ex-judge.

And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. That line of reasoning isn't valid. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.

You can be feared as a parent or respected as a parent. Despite many people's opinions, there's little overlap. Fear do not equal respect.


I wonder how many of the people who defend this because "my daddy hit me, and I turned out just fine", actually have really strained relationships with their parents as adults, or no relationship at all. I've seen that with people I know. They'll go on about how their parents used to basically beat the hell out of them and how it taught them "respect" and they turned out great, but they barely even speak to their parents, if at all. It doesn't seem to teach "respect" or any of that nonsense, it just breeds anger, resentment and mistrust.

doubled99: And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.


No, they don't need to. It's their children, and no one else's business.


So anything a parent decides to do to their child is just a-ok, huh? What about sexual abuse? Is that no one else's business too? We're talking about human beings with rights, not property. No you do not have the right to do with your children as you damn well please. There are legal limits, and there needs to be.
 
2014-03-06 12:15:55 PM  
So anything a parent decides to do to their child is just a-ok, huh? What about sexual abuse? Is that no one else's business too? We're talking about human beings with rights, not property. No you do not have the right to do with your children as you damn well please. There are legal limits, and there needs to be.


great point!
-if there had been sexual abuse here. But there isn't so your point is stupid.
 
2014-03-06 12:54:46 PM  
A little obscure, but...
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-06 02:43:19 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: My parents used a far more effective tool than a belt to keep me in line : Guilt*

/ *may not work with every kid


So you're Jewish, huh?
 
2014-03-06 02:47:14 PM  

Masta Kronix: As always;

It's illegal to physically assault an adult, why then is it completely fine to physically assault a child?

Makes no sense.

If you think it's acceptable to strike a child you were most probably beat as a child by your parents and have serious anger issues since you can't seem to keep yourself from striking a child.



THIS.

We live in a farked-up nation where people think it's "good old fashioned parenting" for a 40-year-old man to beat his 16-year-old daughter, but it's "perverted and sick" when a 19-year-old has sex with that same 16-year-old. The father gets re-elected, the young man gets put on the sex offender's list.

America considers violence better than sex. That's morally corrupt, right there.
 
2014-03-06 03:13:23 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: geek_mars: Taking a belt to a sixteen year old may not constitute abuse (though that's debatable), but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt.

You seem to be under the assumption that she needed what happened and seem to be overlooking that idea that this was done out of anger instead of as some sort of attempt at a corrective action.

This isn't failed parenting. This is a failure as a person on the part of the ex-judge.



I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say that I'm under the impression that "she needed what happened". If you mean she needed to be disciplined then I'd say that if she was doing illegal downloading then she needed to be corrected. And I'm not overlooking the idea that his actions were done in anger, with the pretense of discipline used to justify his abuse, but how is venting one's anger on one's children not a parenting failure? Failing as a person and failing as a parent aren't mutually exclusive. This guy's managed to do both spectacularly.

My comment was more about parenting in general as opposed to this specific instance, and I stand by what I said. There's no reason to take a belt to a kid and little reason to use corporal punishment once a child is able to think, reason and communicate. If a parent doesn't teach their child to do those things, that still doesn't justify taking a belt to the child.
 
2014-03-06 04:13:19 PM  
Discipline comes from the Latin word disciplina meaning to teach and learn.  This is not the modern usage, now it is used to mean punish.  What would we call the Disciples of Jesus nowadays?
 
2014-03-06 07:56:24 PM  

geek_mars: My comment was more about parenting in general as opposed to this specific instance, and I stand by what I said. There's no reason to take a belt to a kid and little reason to use corporal punishment once a child is able to think, reason and communicate. If a parent doesn't teach their child to do those things, that still doesn't justify taking a belt to the child.


Ah. Your comment made me think that you felt that she needed to be hit for the downloading.

"but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt."

I took that as you saying that his poor parenting skills led to her needing to be hit. As if the situation, that being the result of bad parenting, led to what happened being a necessity.

There is no reason to hit any child over downloading things, imho. You seem to agree with this. Although I'm finding your style of wording things to be less than clear (to me) in general. I think that we're on the same page, here.

And yes, being a failure as a person and being a failure as a parent aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. I get the feeling that his default course of action is force and unleashing anger until he feels satisfied. To me that is a failure as a person as that's probably his way of dealing with everything. Parenting just happens to be one of those things. It's entirely possible to be a good person in general but bad at parenting. One doesn't have to exist alongside the other.

To me, he seems like an overall failure as a person which supersedes everything else by being a root cause. I was probably less than clear about that, myself.
 
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