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(The Raw Story)   Remember that TX family court judge whose daughter posted a video of him beating her with a belt? In a rare show of sanity, Texas voters decided he can't be a judge anymore   (rawstory.com) divider line 134
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2014-03-05 07:00:17 PM  

Eponymous: Last laugh is really on the daughter....she had her 15 minutes of payback.  Now daddy is unemployed.  So forget about the car, the cell phone, college. and so on.  Then again....there's always the stripper pole in her future.


She was 16 in 2004 when the video was captured.  It was released in the wild in 2011.  She's about 26 now and if she's still dependent on Daddy's support, he raised her wrong.

/ there's a silent ;) in that last bit
 
2014-03-05 07:00:48 PM  
Yeah, go back and look at the video.  That's not discipline.  That's abuse.

"You roll over and you take it. Like a grown woman."

"I oughta keep beatin' you, and beatin' you..."

Look at the guy.  Look at his face.  Look at how he's beating her.  Look at his pants.  That's not a spanking.  That's a power-tripping asshole with a goddamn hard-on, enjoying the rage and fetishizing his abuse of his daughter.

I'd call him sick, but I'm not giving him that excuse.  He's not sick, he's not a monster, he's not anything that would imply he can't help himself.  He's just another moronic, child-beating peckerwood, and he deserves to be brought to account for it.
 
2014-03-05 07:05:42 PM  
Yeah, he should stick to ranting about Obama, pimping Jesus and denouncing evolution. That's the way to gain respect as a politician in Texas.

I suppose the distaste for borderline abusive behavior is a small step in the right direction, though.
 
2014-03-05 07:06:19 PM  
All those liberals blasting of conservatives... yet it is liberals in Colorado who dont mind judges giving 2 years or less to people raping children. Odd priorities there libs.
 
2014-03-05 07:07:26 PM  

Arachnophobe: So, he'll be running for Congress then? Or possibly a Senate run?


Probably. Not this year, though. Too late.
 
2014-03-05 07:07:54 PM  
My dad's choice was a 2x2 we called "the stick", and you can bet that when I got old enough I broke that farking thing in half.

I don't remember my childhood before a certain point, but I do remember being 8 years old and being whipped with that damned stick. My folks never grounded me or locked me in my room without dinner. Dad just smacked me with that stick on my rear and thighs.

Conversely, I won't use corporal punishment on kids. All it does is makes them fear you. It doesn't teach them anything other than "bigger people will hold you down and hit you if you break their arbitrary rules."
 
2014-03-05 07:14:48 PM  

LeroyBourne: drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.

Yeah, mix it up.  Cut off a good amount of garden hose or an old car antenna.


I like that
 
2014-03-05 07:14:52 PM  
Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.
 
2014-03-05 07:15:59 PM  

Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.


Clearly being hit is the only thing in common with everyone who didn't do anything you have listed.
 
2014-03-05 07:17:13 PM  

MyRandomName: liberals in Colorado who dont mind judges giving 2 years or less to people raping children


Well, there you go. We lose again.
 
2014-03-05 07:18:28 PM  
you people who think the dad was right are SICk MOTHERfarkERS!

I don't care if this post gets me kicked off of FARK

There is absolutly NOTHING in this world that that girl did to make this OK

F.U. all
 
2014-03-05 07:18:31 PM  

fusillade762: whipping her with a belt as he berated and threatened her over illegally downloaded computer files

He takes copyright violation VERY seriously.


He's Texas Judge. It's kind of the rule there.
 
2014-03-05 07:21:29 PM  

MyRandomName: All those liberals blasting of conservatives... yet it is liberals in Colorado who dont mind judges giving 2 years or less to people raping children. Odd priorities there libs.


Oh, look here- some random Arizonian is mouthing off to his betters. It'd be just ever-so-precious if it weren't for him not knowing his place.

You don't speak for us up here. Don't forget that.
 
2014-03-05 07:23:19 PM  

MyRandomName: All those liberals blasting of conservatives... yet it is liberals in Colorado who dont mind judges giving 2 years or less to people raping children. Odd priorities there libs.


"Hey, watch me talk about something different and lie while doing so in order to change the topic from things I find uncomfortable!"
 
2014-03-05 07:23:33 PM  

Eponymous: Last laugh is really on the daughter....she had her 15 minutes of payback.  Now daddy is unemployed.  So forget about the car, the cell phone, college. and so on.  Then again....there's always the stripper pole in her future.


Reading comprehension failure. She was 16 when she recorded the video. She released it seven years later after she got away from him because she wanted to prevent him from being a judge in charge of family court issues.

She's not getting anything from daddy. I should think that would have been clear from the way he regarded her in the video. She was gone as soon as she could get out of that hellhole.

Oh, and by the way, the girl has cerebral palsy. What kind of human being whips a 16-year-old girl who has cerebral palsy? It's bad enough she's a teenager and he's beating her and cursing at her, but she has a major disability, too.

Farking asshole deserved his loss of livelihood, and I really hope someone breaks into his house some day and beats him with a belt until he cries.
 
2014-03-05 07:24:00 PM  

Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.


And you ended up brain damaged instead.
 
2014-03-05 07:24:26 PM  

dagdog: you people who think the dad was right are SICk MOTHERfarkERS!

I don't care if this post gets me kicked off of FARK

There is absolutly NOTHING in this world that that girl did to make this OK

F.U. all



Why would it get you kicked off Fark?
 
2014-03-05 07:25:32 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Oh, and by the way, the girl has cerebral palsy. What kind of human being whips a 16-year-old girl who has cerebral palsy? It's bad enough she's a teenager and he's beating her and cursing at her, but she has a major disability, too.


Apparently this guy (and a handful of people in this thread) think that cerebral palsy can be cured by just being tougher.
 
2014-03-05 07:27:07 PM  
I'm not against corporal punishment, but what parent needs to take a belt to a sixteen year old? We're talking about a young woman who developed the ability to reason a decade prior. Once a child can think, reason and communicate the need for corporal punishment steadily decreases. Taking a belt to a sixteen year old may not constitute abuse (though that's debatable), but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt.
 
2014-03-05 07:27:08 PM  

BSABSVR: Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.

And you ended up brain damaged instead.


www.threadbombing.com
 
2014-03-05 07:29:14 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Felgraf: HindiDiscoMonster: I didn't mean what HE did was OK... what I was addressing was the general attitude toward corporal punishment.

No, you kind of strongly implied what he did was OK, what with saying those who wanted him to lose his judgeship were in the wrong.

Or are you afraid of the consequences of your actions? You poor precious snowflake, you.

whatever helps you sleep at night precious.


You do know you just appear to be a hypocritical whiny little biatch right?

And 1200mgs of Seroquel is what helps me sleep at night.
 
2014-03-05 07:29:51 PM  
I was raised largely by half hispanic parents, typically big on shame and humiliation. I've tried to breed it out, but the lttle one is begging for it.
 
2014-03-05 07:33:36 PM  

svanmeter: Spare the rod...


Is that a commandment from the Bible?
 
2014-03-05 07:41:27 PM  

BSABSVR: Thunderpipes: Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.

And you ended up brain damaged instead.


Farkin'  REKT
 
2014-03-05 07:49:58 PM  

coyo: svanmeter: Spare the rod...

Is that a commandment from the Bible?


Not that I think you should take your morality from a book that says you can own slaves and should marry your daughter off to her rapist, but there is some contention about the way that is translated.  Rod may in fact refer to a shepherd's rod for grabbing and steering their flock, not a big stick to abuse your children with.
 
2014-03-05 07:54:04 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.


Belt don't hurt, eh? Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll bite anyway.

My father was abusive, physically and mentally towards my half-brother (and who for all intents and purposes, I consider a full brother) whom he adopted after marrying my Mom. He would beat my brother with a belt with almost the same consistency and force that this man used. Many times, my brother would be bleeding from the wounds left by that belt, which would often take days to heal.

Sure.. belts don't hurt. Slung with that kind of anger and force, they're little better than bull whips.
 
2014-03-05 07:57:28 PM  

Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.


Maybe you didn't shoot up schools, but now you are an adult incapable of empathy.
 
2014-03-05 08:00:10 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: iq_in_binary: Corporal punishment is a tool of last resort. It is NOT something that should be used as a standard regimen.I know I deserved getting my ass whooped a few times as a child. But some relatives went overboard./Lucky my grandfather died of a stroke in my pre-teen years.//I'd have killed that stodgy old fark if he tried that shiat when I was 16. Rock climbing makes for an easy strangle.

I completely agree.... however, today, if you even THINK of corporal punishment, you are called a monster, child abuser, and you run a very high risk of getting your kids kidnapped by the state.

That is NOT OK.


Is that how you got your name? By abusing children? :)
 
2014-03-05 08:01:24 PM  
WATCH the video, actually listen to his maouth and watch how hard he hits her. The guy should be in jail for farks sake, he is a sadist. his wife tries to stop him by taking the belt and saying she will do it.. and he goes to get another belt to resume.
 
2014-03-05 08:01:36 PM  

Cythraul: drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.

Belt don't hurt, eh? Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll bite anyway.

My father was abusive, physically and mentally towards my half-brother (and who for all intents and purposes, I consider a full brother) whom he adopted after marrying my Mom. He would beat my brother with a belt with almost the same consistency and force that this man used. Many times, my brother would be bleeding from the wounds left by that belt, which would often take days to heal.

Sure.. belts don't hurt. Slung with that kind of anger and force, they're little better than bull whips.


Yeah, there's a reason slave owners used leather straps (and leather whips) to beat slaves. It HURTS. It leaves nasty welts. It CAN kill you, too, if you take enough lashes.
 
2014-03-05 08:02:08 PM  

revrendjim: Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.

Maybe you didn't shoot up schools, but now you are an adult incapable of empathy.


I'm gonna have to question the "adult" part.
 
2014-03-05 08:08:48 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: revrendjim: Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.

Maybe you didn't shoot up schools, but now you are an adult incapable of empathy.

just to address the edge of curiosity, why do you say he is incapable of empathy, and how do you link that to his discipline in his youth?


I have been on fark a long time and was referring to his entire body of work.
 
2014-03-05 08:09:07 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


Experience, izziot. That's not punishment. That's a brutal attack by a crazed animal. I lived through that carp myself.
 
2014-03-05 08:10:22 PM  

gaspode: WATCH the video, actually listen to his maouth and watch how hard he hits her. The guy should be in jail for farks sake, he is a sadist. his wife tries to stop him by taking the belt and saying she will do it.. and he goes to get another belt to resume.


While I think the Mother in this video shouldn't win Mom-of-the-Year anytime soon, I think she may have been trying to help defuse the situation. She plays along with the abusive father's rant, and asks her daughter to 'assume the position,' half-heartedly hits her one time, and then says something along the lines of "there, you've been punished."

My mom would do similar things in situations involving my Dad and my Brother. One time, my dad lost his car keys and assumed since he saw my brother playing with them earlier that he must have 'stolen' them (my brother was six at the time). He threatened to beat my brother every hour on the hour until he found where he had lost the keys. My mother started looking for the keys instead and found them on the top shelf of a six and a half foot tall bookshelf, where he could NOT have put them at that age.

My mom shouldn't have bothered looking at all. She should have just said, "If you hit my son one more time, I'm going to crack your skull open."

To her credit though, often times, she'd simply put herself in between my Dad and my Brother and threaten my Father.
 
2014-03-05 08:15:25 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


#2 should reflect Media, not 'game system' or 'tv'.
 
2014-03-05 08:20:05 PM  
I didn't know there were so many Baby Boomers still posting around here.
 
2014-03-05 08:25:01 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


Yes things would be horrible if we abolished corporal punishment for children. Why we might end up like Norway: with 100% literacy, a high standard of living, low inflation, a per person GDP double the US, a murder rate about half of that in the US... man that sounds bad.

Oh wait, no, the other thing... what is it... good, it sounds good!

What you seem to be unaware of is that there are nations that have banned corporal punishment for a long time. Norway banned it in 1987, Sweden banned it in 1979, and so on.

So no, you don't have reality on your side. Sorry, but in reality countries have banned it and no, they have not gone to shiat. If violence is the only way you can discipline and solve problems, then the problem is yours. Others have figured out how to do it without violence.
 
2014-03-05 08:29:31 PM  
Cythraul:

While I think the Mother in this video shouldn't win Mom-of-the-Year anytime soon, I think she may have been trying to help defuse the situation. She plays along with the abusive father's rant, and asks her daughter to 'assume the position,' half-heartedly hits her one time, and then says something along the lines of "there, you've been punished."


That was how I read the situation too.
 
2014-03-05 08:33:51 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: sycraft: Yes things would be horrible if we abolished corporal punishment for children. Why we might end up like Norway: with 100% literacy, a high standard of living, low inflation, a per person GDP double the US, a murder rate about half of that in the US... man that sounds bad.Oh wait, no, the other thing... what is it... good, it sounds good!What you seem to be unaware of is that there are nations that have banned corporal punishment for a long time. Norway banned it in 1987, Sweden banned it in 1979, and so on.So no, you don't have reality on your side. Sorry, but in reality countries have banned it and no, they have not gone to shiat. If violence is the only way you can discipline and solve problems, then the problem is yours. Others have figured out how to do it without violence.

do you generally compare apples and alien spacecraft, or is this new for you?


No I generally research the real world and come to conclusions based on what actually happens. I don't go and make non-sequitur statements, like you seem to, in an attempt to defend a position that was not reached via logic. I realize an attempt to use logic on you is futile, because your aren't basing your views on it, but it is amusing to me, and perhaps informative to others, to point out just how wrong you are.

Like, for example, your assertion that children are growing up with no concept of consequences. Yet data does not bear this out. Crime has been on a steady decline for decades in the US, so clearly people seem to understand consequences well enough to not do things that put them in jail on a larger and larger basis.

You are just puling the typical "neverwas" crap: Looking back on a rosy past where crime was low, everyone worked hard, families were golden, and society was so much better than now. In other words, a past that never was. A fiction that exists only in the imagination.
 
2014-03-05 08:35:17 PM  
He's kind of old, otherwise he would probably be elected governor soon.
 
2014-03-05 08:40:43 PM  
perhaps everyone would have just felt better if he'd have turned her in for her illegal downloads and let her work off a few hundred thousand dollars in fines for the rest of her life?  I'm sure she'd have been happier.
 
2014-03-05 08:52:18 PM  
Anyone the uses the "spare the Rod spoil the child" verse as an excuse for corporal punishment is an idiot. Rods were used by sheep Hearders to guide their sheep. They didn't beat their sheep with a Rod.
 
2014-03-05 08:53:36 PM  

fusillade762: revrendjim: Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.

Maybe you didn't shoot up schools, but now you are an adult incapable of empathy.

I'm gonna have to question the "adult" part.


Make lots of money, have good kids, unlike 99% of this message board. Maybe if your parents beat you instead of smoking crack and being on the welfare, you would take care of yourselves and the country, instead of ruining it.

Hippies raising kids is clearly not working.
 
2014-03-05 08:53:51 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: 1. you are comparing countries that have a fundamentally different societal structure both historically and currently as though the only metric is punishment style.


So you're saying that because the United States is a barbaric country, we need to use barbaric forms of child discipline?
 
2014-03-05 09:08:40 PM  
Can't tell if bunch of Internet Tough Guys who beat up children are gravitating to this thread or just trolls but I can tell you this:

I have 20+ years experience working with kids. I have never been permitted to physically touch them and somehow I have always managed just fine. Furthermore, I have noticed a huge correlation between parents that spank children (at least in public) and unruly children. They also tend to be lower class and rude or loud (this goes for both parent and child).

I grew up being spanked and was always pro-spanking and even now I really don't give a damn if you do or you don't. But I cannot ignore what I've seen.

One last thing: what was on that video was not spanking, it was not discipline. It was abuse perpetrated by someone who has anger and control issues, and he would have been punished with jail time had the statute of limitations not run out on the crime. That was the original judgement when this story came out.
 
2014-03-05 09:09:40 PM  
Judgement = statement by the court.
 
2014-03-05 09:15:54 PM  

stonelotus: wonders if she'll have the camera ready for her first boyfriend when he's applying the Irish mascara the first time she doesn't listen.


Irish mascara hahaha thats rich.

/ +1 internet for you
 
2014-03-05 09:21:06 PM  
Guys it really isnt even that bad of a spanking sheesh. I aint saying it is or is not right. Im just saying that particular video really aint that bad.
 
2014-03-05 09:37:34 PM  

svanmeter: sobriquet by any other name: svanmeter: Spare the rod...

...have to actually think to parent.

/last refuge of the incompetent
//95% of the time

I have a son in Law School... Where's yours? Rehab?


so your son is studying to become a lying, cheating crook.  are you posting that as evidence of good or bad parenting?

/I keed, I keed.
//there's some good lawyers out there.
 
2014-03-05 09:45:15 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: El Freak: HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?

IIRC,in the original video, this angry, screaming retard stopped, then came back a few minutes later and did it AGAIN, for no apparent reason. That's not punishment, that IS abuse.

I didn't mean what HE did was OK... what I was addressing was the general attitude toward corporal punishment.


Corporal punishment is idiotic.

The one time my mom spanked my brother and I with a belt I felt we had gotten away with it.  It hurt for all of thirty seconds and that was it.

My parents grounded you from TV, or going outside to play, or doing anything after school, or in rare cases, all of the above.  And of course, they kept their promise, so it's not like you could sneak a peek or they made an exception.  having three brothers and sisters, it was easy to feel left out and lonely when they would all three go out and you had to stay inside.  it made you think about what you did REAL hard, and made a much more lasting impression than any spanking or beating with a switch would have made.

we tell kids that violence is not a way to solve problems but then behave violently toward them to solve a problem?  How farked up is that?  Subtlety is not lost on kids, and even this isn't that subtle.  It undermines your teaching.
 
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