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(The Raw Story)   Remember that TX family court judge whose daughter posted a video of him beating her with a belt? In a rare show of sanity, Texas voters decided he can't be a judge anymore   (rawstory.com) divider line 134
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2014-03-05 04:12:24 PM  
Took you f*cking long enough.
 
2014-03-05 04:18:14 PM  

SilentStrider: Took you f*cking long enough.


Hey Texas is making some strides. It's taking longer than others, but we're getting there.

Hell I thought we'd be #49 or #50 in states legalizing gay marriage, but the judge struck that down a couple weeks ago. Of course there's an appeal, but that'll get shut down eventually.

/Texas will be purple by 2020
//Blue by 2030
///Even my hardcore conservative mom admitted the conservatives have lost it for the foreseeable future
 
2014-03-05 04:21:05 PM  
So now Obama is telling us how we can rear our children.  Just great.
 
2014-03-05 04:22:26 PM  
I think he can make more money creating fetish spanking porn.
 
2014-03-05 04:22:58 PM  
That's very unlike them. What are they up to?
 
2014-03-05 04:23:27 PM  
"Instead Texas appointed him to the U.S. Senate as Texas' third Senator, because Texas"
 
2014-03-05 04:34:06 PM  

oldfarthenry: That's very unlike them. What are they up to?


You are a wise, wise man.
 
2014-03-05 04:39:28 PM  

oldfarthenry: That's very unlike them. What are they up to?


Well if it makes you feel any better, the Texas Judicial Conduct commission took a look at this guy (who, member as a FAMILY court judge would be hearing child abuse cases)  and that video and just shrugged and said "seems legit"
 
2014-03-05 04:44:50 PM  

oldfarthenry: That's very unlike them. What are they up to?


He didn't beat her hard enough.
 
2014-03-05 04:51:11 PM  
I thought this would have earned him a 'Hero' tag in Texas.
 
2014-03-05 04:53:22 PM  
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2014-03-05 04:56:17 PM  
They'll prolly make him Governor.
 
2014-03-05 05:43:40 PM  
I hated the original video.. . Just made my blood boil.
 
2014-03-05 05:51:42 PM  
maybe now both have learned their lessons.
 
2014-03-05 05:54:41 PM  

SilentStrider: Took you f*cking long enough.


Yeah!  How dare they wait for the next election!
 
2014-03-05 05:56:02 PM  
So, he'll be running for Congress then? Or possibly a Senate run?
 
2014-03-05 05:56:27 PM  
Getting promoted to Governor?
 
2014-03-05 05:56:56 PM  
Texas trifecta in play? To compete with the Pope no doubt.
 
2014-03-05 05:57:51 PM  
Spare the rod...
 
2014-03-05 05:58:35 PM  
Lemme guess. They voted in an even more batshiat crazy TeaBagger?
 
2014-03-05 05:59:22 PM  
Well that brings back memories.
 
2014-03-05 06:00:17 PM  

Diogenes: So now Obama is telling us how we can rear our children.  Just great.


This is still superior to the Catholic Church trying to rear your children.
 
2014-03-05 06:01:06 PM  
If he only shot her he'd, be on the Texas supreme court right now
 
2014-03-05 06:01:07 PM  
What an evil piece of shiat.  He should be in jail.
 
2014-03-05 06:01:09 PM  
Unseated?

Guessing he'll be the running mate of the next GOP prez race.
 
2014-03-05 06:04:18 PM  
I missed it the first time around.  That's pretty farked up a few levels.  One, she knew to have a camera handy so the beatings must have been pretty regular.
 
2014-03-05 06:08:25 PM  

svanmeter: Spare the rod...


...have to actually think to parent.

/last refuge of the incompetent
//95% of the time
 
2014-03-05 06:08:53 PM  
It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.
 
2014-03-05 06:11:45 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.


Yeah, mix it up.  Cut off a good amount of garden hose or an old car antenna.
 
2014-03-05 06:12:11 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.


Don't hurt?  Borders on abuse o_O?
 
2014-03-05 06:21:42 PM  

peacheslatour: drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.

Don't hurt?  Borders on abuse o_O?


Safe words, people! Know your safe word.

/"moor" is a lousy safe word
//TMYK
 
2014-03-05 06:23:14 PM  
Last laugh is really on the daughter....she had her 15 minutes of payback.  Now daddy is unemployed.  So forget about the car, the cell phone, college. and so on.  Then again....there's always the stripper pole in her future.
 
2014-03-05 06:24:39 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.


Hey, come here, I have a belt. You won't mind, right? It only hurts for 15 minutes.

/30 minutes is double $$
 
2014-03-05 06:28:49 PM  

LeroyBourne: drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.

Yeah, mix it up.  Cut off a good amount of garden hose or an old car antenna.


My mother favored the yardstick. Today's craft yardstick looks to be made out of balsa wood, but she had a couple that looked like they were oak. If she broke it, she kept the broken pieces as a trophy. Didn't mean she didn't use the flat of her hand or a cooking spoon once in a while, but the yardstick meant business. Whatever you'd done, she wanted you to know it for the next couple of days.
 
2014-03-05 06:29:40 PM  
Meh, that belt was about normal for lots of kids up to about the early 80's.  We survived.

/and usually deserved it
//and got over it
 
2014-03-05 06:31:20 PM  
So let me know when they get rid of the judge who said that boy was too spoiled to go to prison for killing people.
 
2014-03-05 06:31:55 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: svanmeter: Spare the rod...

...have to actually think to parent.

/last refuge of the incompetent
//95% of the time


I have a son in Law School... Where's yours? Rehab?
 
2014-03-05 06:33:48 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


IIRC,in the original video, this angry, screaming retard stopped, then came back a few minutes later and did it AGAIN, for no apparent reason. That's not punishment, that IS abuse.
 
2014-03-05 06:34:38 PM  
whipping her with a belt as he berated and threatened her over illegally downloaded computer files

He takes copyright violation VERY seriously.
 
2014-03-05 06:36:21 PM  
Spanking her for illegally downloading stuff is one thing. He was doing it out of rage, not to correct immoral behavior.
 
2014-03-05 06:36:32 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?



Well we have you as an example of how twisted one may become.
 
2014-03-05 06:39:29 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: El Freak: HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?

IIRC,in the original video, this angry, screaming retard stopped, then came back a few minutes later and did it AGAIN, for no apparent reason. That's not punishment, that IS abuse.

I didn't mean what HE did was OK... what I was addressing was the general attitude toward corporal punishment.


Except that's exactly what you said. "All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic."Sounds to me like you're perfectly fine with it.
 
2014-03-05 06:41:14 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


Pfft. So says the guy who was raised by Mola Ram.

/talking out of turn? that's a heart-rippin'
 
2014-03-05 06:43:15 PM  
showed her father whipping her with a belt as he berated and threatened her over illegally downloaded computer files.

Don't worry about the judge's future.  I hear he was immediately hired by the RIAA.
 
2014-03-05 06:45:12 PM  
wonders if she'll have the camera ready for her first boyfriend when he's applying the Irish mascara the first time she doesn't listen.
 
2014-03-05 06:48:35 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: JK47: HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


Well we have you as an example of how twisted one may become.

I love threads like this... it gives me the opportunity to flag people like you in piss yellow as "poor widdle snowflake"... helps to sort through the muck much easier... I just wish there was also a brown color for those that need to be flagged as "piece of human excrement"..... Oh well, I guess we can't have everything.


Corporal punishment is a tool of last resort. It is NOT something that should be used as a standard regimen.

I know I deserved getting my ass whooped a few times as a child. But some relatives went overboard.

/Lucky my grandfather died of a stroke in my pre-teen years.
//I'd have killed that stodgy old fark if he tried that shiat when I was 16. Rock climbing makes for an easy strangle.
 
2014-03-05 06:53:31 PM  

Eponymous: Last laugh is really on the daughter....she had her 15 minutes of payback.  Now daddy is unemployed.  So forget about the car, the cell phone, college. and so on.  Then again....there's always the stripper pole in her future.


She's 23.
 
2014-03-05 06:55:16 PM  
wow, those parents are sick and should be in prison
 
2014-03-05 06:56:17 PM  

peasandcarrots: LeroyBourne: drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.

Yeah, mix it up.  Cut off a good amount of garden hose or an old car antenna.

My mother favored the yardstick. Today's craft yardstick looks to be made out of balsa wood, but she had a couple that looked like they were oak. If she broke it, she kept the broken pieces as a trophy. Didn't mean she didn't use the flat of her hand or a cooking spoon once in a while, but the yardstick meant business. Whatever you'd done, she wanted you to know it for the next couple of days.


Yep, my mother used the rolling pin.  Dad would use open palm slap.  It worked, doesn't mean it was right.  Different times back then.  And I'll say, if I didn't get a whooping meant I got away with it.
 
2014-03-05 06:56:44 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I didn't mean what HE did was OK... what I was addressing was the general attitude toward corporal punishment.


No, you kind of strongly implied what he did was OK, what with saying those who wanted him to lose his judgeship were in the wrong.

Or are you afraid of the consequences of your actions? You poor precious snowflake, you.
 
2014-03-05 07:00:17 PM  

Eponymous: Last laugh is really on the daughter....she had her 15 minutes of payback.  Now daddy is unemployed.  So forget about the car, the cell phone, college. and so on.  Then again....there's always the stripper pole in her future.


She was 16 in 2004 when the video was captured.  It was released in the wild in 2011.  She's about 26 now and if she's still dependent on Daddy's support, he raised her wrong.

/ there's a silent ;) in that last bit
 
2014-03-05 07:00:48 PM  
Yeah, go back and look at the video.  That's not discipline.  That's abuse.

"You roll over and you take it. Like a grown woman."

"I oughta keep beatin' you, and beatin' you..."

Look at the guy.  Look at his face.  Look at how he's beating her.  Look at his pants.  That's not a spanking.  That's a power-tripping asshole with a goddamn hard-on, enjoying the rage and fetishizing his abuse of his daughter.

I'd call him sick, but I'm not giving him that excuse.  He's not sick, he's not a monster, he's not anything that would imply he can't help himself.  He's just another moronic, child-beating peckerwood, and he deserves to be brought to account for it.
 
2014-03-05 07:05:42 PM  
Yeah, he should stick to ranting about Obama, pimping Jesus and denouncing evolution. That's the way to gain respect as a politician in Texas.

I suppose the distaste for borderline abusive behavior is a small step in the right direction, though.
 
2014-03-05 07:06:19 PM  
All those liberals blasting of conservatives... yet it is liberals in Colorado who dont mind judges giving 2 years or less to people raping children. Odd priorities there libs.
 
2014-03-05 07:07:26 PM  

Arachnophobe: So, he'll be running for Congress then? Or possibly a Senate run?


Probably. Not this year, though. Too late.
 
2014-03-05 07:07:54 PM  
My dad's choice was a 2x2 we called "the stick", and you can bet that when I got old enough I broke that farking thing in half.

I don't remember my childhood before a certain point, but I do remember being 8 years old and being whipped with that damned stick. My folks never grounded me or locked me in my room without dinner. Dad just smacked me with that stick on my rear and thighs.

Conversely, I won't use corporal punishment on kids. All it does is makes them fear you. It doesn't teach them anything other than "bigger people will hold you down and hit you if you break their arbitrary rules."
 
2014-03-05 07:14:48 PM  

LeroyBourne: drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.

Yeah, mix it up.  Cut off a good amount of garden hose or an old car antenna.


I like that
 
2014-03-05 07:14:52 PM  
Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.
 
2014-03-05 07:15:59 PM  

Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.


Clearly being hit is the only thing in common with everyone who didn't do anything you have listed.
 
2014-03-05 07:17:13 PM  

MyRandomName: liberals in Colorado who dont mind judges giving 2 years or less to people raping children


Well, there you go. We lose again.
 
2014-03-05 07:18:28 PM  
you people who think the dad was right are SICk MOTHERfarkERS!

I don't care if this post gets me kicked off of FARK

There is absolutly NOTHING in this world that that girl did to make this OK

F.U. all
 
2014-03-05 07:18:31 PM  

fusillade762: whipping her with a belt as he berated and threatened her over illegally downloaded computer files

He takes copyright violation VERY seriously.


He's Texas Judge. It's kind of the rule there.
 
2014-03-05 07:21:29 PM  

MyRandomName: All those liberals blasting of conservatives... yet it is liberals in Colorado who dont mind judges giving 2 years or less to people raping children. Odd priorities there libs.


Oh, look here- some random Arizonian is mouthing off to his betters. It'd be just ever-so-precious if it weren't for him not knowing his place.

You don't speak for us up here. Don't forget that.
 
2014-03-05 07:23:19 PM  

MyRandomName: All those liberals blasting of conservatives... yet it is liberals in Colorado who dont mind judges giving 2 years or less to people raping children. Odd priorities there libs.


"Hey, watch me talk about something different and lie while doing so in order to change the topic from things I find uncomfortable!"
 
2014-03-05 07:23:33 PM  

Eponymous: Last laugh is really on the daughter....she had her 15 minutes of payback.  Now daddy is unemployed.  So forget about the car, the cell phone, college. and so on.  Then again....there's always the stripper pole in her future.


Reading comprehension failure. She was 16 when she recorded the video. She released it seven years later after she got away from him because she wanted to prevent him from being a judge in charge of family court issues.

She's not getting anything from daddy. I should think that would have been clear from the way he regarded her in the video. She was gone as soon as she could get out of that hellhole.

Oh, and by the way, the girl has cerebral palsy. What kind of human being whips a 16-year-old girl who has cerebral palsy? It's bad enough she's a teenager and he's beating her and cursing at her, but she has a major disability, too.

Farking asshole deserved his loss of livelihood, and I really hope someone breaks into his house some day and beats him with a belt until he cries.
 
2014-03-05 07:24:00 PM  

Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.


And you ended up brain damaged instead.
 
2014-03-05 07:24:26 PM  

dagdog: you people who think the dad was right are SICk MOTHERfarkERS!

I don't care if this post gets me kicked off of FARK

There is absolutly NOTHING in this world that that girl did to make this OK

F.U. all



Why would it get you kicked off Fark?
 
2014-03-05 07:25:32 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Oh, and by the way, the girl has cerebral palsy. What kind of human being whips a 16-year-old girl who has cerebral palsy? It's bad enough she's a teenager and he's beating her and cursing at her, but she has a major disability, too.


Apparently this guy (and a handful of people in this thread) think that cerebral palsy can be cured by just being tougher.
 
2014-03-05 07:27:07 PM  
I'm not against corporal punishment, but what parent needs to take a belt to a sixteen year old? We're talking about a young woman who developed the ability to reason a decade prior. Once a child can think, reason and communicate the need for corporal punishment steadily decreases. Taking a belt to a sixteen year old may not constitute abuse (though that's debatable), but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt.
 
2014-03-05 07:27:08 PM  

BSABSVR: Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.

And you ended up brain damaged instead.


www.threadbombing.com
 
2014-03-05 07:29:14 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Felgraf: HindiDiscoMonster: I didn't mean what HE did was OK... what I was addressing was the general attitude toward corporal punishment.

No, you kind of strongly implied what he did was OK, what with saying those who wanted him to lose his judgeship were in the wrong.

Or are you afraid of the consequences of your actions? You poor precious snowflake, you.

whatever helps you sleep at night precious.


You do know you just appear to be a hypocritical whiny little biatch right?

And 1200mgs of Seroquel is what helps me sleep at night.
 
2014-03-05 07:29:51 PM  
I was raised largely by half hispanic parents, typically big on shame and humiliation. I've tried to breed it out, but the lttle one is begging for it.
 
2014-03-05 07:33:36 PM  

svanmeter: Spare the rod...


Is that a commandment from the Bible?
 
2014-03-05 07:41:27 PM  

BSABSVR: Thunderpipes: Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.

And you ended up brain damaged instead.


Farkin'  REKT
 
2014-03-05 07:49:58 PM  

coyo: svanmeter: Spare the rod...

Is that a commandment from the Bible?


Not that I think you should take your morality from a book that says you can own slaves and should marry your daughter off to her rapist, but there is some contention about the way that is translated.  Rod may in fact refer to a shepherd's rod for grabbing and steering their flock, not a big stick to abuse your children with.
 
2014-03-05 07:54:04 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.


Belt don't hurt, eh? Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll bite anyway.

My father was abusive, physically and mentally towards my half-brother (and who for all intents and purposes, I consider a full brother) whom he adopted after marrying my Mom. He would beat my brother with a belt with almost the same consistency and force that this man used. Many times, my brother would be bleeding from the wounds left by that belt, which would often take days to heal.

Sure.. belts don't hurt. Slung with that kind of anger and force, they're little better than bull whips.
 
2014-03-05 07:57:28 PM  

Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.


Maybe you didn't shoot up schools, but now you are an adult incapable of empathy.
 
2014-03-05 08:00:10 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: iq_in_binary: Corporal punishment is a tool of last resort. It is NOT something that should be used as a standard regimen.I know I deserved getting my ass whooped a few times as a child. But some relatives went overboard./Lucky my grandfather died of a stroke in my pre-teen years.//I'd have killed that stodgy old fark if he tried that shiat when I was 16. Rock climbing makes for an easy strangle.

I completely agree.... however, today, if you even THINK of corporal punishment, you are called a monster, child abuser, and you run a very high risk of getting your kids kidnapped by the state.

That is NOT OK.


Is that how you got your name? By abusing children? :)
 
2014-03-05 08:01:24 PM  
WATCH the video, actually listen to his maouth and watch how hard he hits her. The guy should be in jail for farks sake, he is a sadist. his wife tries to stop him by taking the belt and saying she will do it.. and he goes to get another belt to resume.
 
2014-03-05 08:01:36 PM  

Cythraul: drjekel_mrhyde: It may look harsh, but it will stop hurting after 15 minutes. A belt don't hurt, but when you start hitting them with extension cords or saplings(switch), that borders on abuse.

Belt don't hurt, eh? Not sure if you're trolling, but I'll bite anyway.

My father was abusive, physically and mentally towards my half-brother (and who for all intents and purposes, I consider a full brother) whom he adopted after marrying my Mom. He would beat my brother with a belt with almost the same consistency and force that this man used. Many times, my brother would be bleeding from the wounds left by that belt, which would often take days to heal.

Sure.. belts don't hurt. Slung with that kind of anger and force, they're little better than bull whips.


Yeah, there's a reason slave owners used leather straps (and leather whips) to beat slaves. It HURTS. It leaves nasty welts. It CAN kill you, too, if you take enough lashes.
 
2014-03-05 08:02:08 PM  

revrendjim: Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.

Maybe you didn't shoot up schools, but now you are an adult incapable of empathy.


I'm gonna have to question the "adult" part.
 
2014-03-05 08:08:48 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: revrendjim: Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.

Maybe you didn't shoot up schools, but now you are an adult incapable of empathy.

just to address the edge of curiosity, why do you say he is incapable of empathy, and how do you link that to his discipline in his youth?


I have been on fark a long time and was referring to his entire body of work.
 
2014-03-05 08:09:07 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


Experience, izziot. That's not punishment. That's a brutal attack by a crazed animal. I lived through that carp myself.
 
2014-03-05 08:10:22 PM  

gaspode: WATCH the video, actually listen to his maouth and watch how hard he hits her. The guy should be in jail for farks sake, he is a sadist. his wife tries to stop him by taking the belt and saying she will do it.. and he goes to get another belt to resume.


While I think the Mother in this video shouldn't win Mom-of-the-Year anytime soon, I think she may have been trying to help defuse the situation. She plays along with the abusive father's rant, and asks her daughter to 'assume the position,' half-heartedly hits her one time, and then says something along the lines of "there, you've been punished."

My mom would do similar things in situations involving my Dad and my Brother. One time, my dad lost his car keys and assumed since he saw my brother playing with them earlier that he must have 'stolen' them (my brother was six at the time). He threatened to beat my brother every hour on the hour until he found where he had lost the keys. My mother started looking for the keys instead and found them on the top shelf of a six and a half foot tall bookshelf, where he could NOT have put them at that age.

My mom shouldn't have bothered looking at all. She should have just said, "If you hit my son one more time, I'm going to crack your skull open."

To her credit though, often times, she'd simply put herself in between my Dad and my Brother and threaten my Father.
 
2014-03-05 08:15:25 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


#2 should reflect Media, not 'game system' or 'tv'.
 
2014-03-05 08:20:05 PM  
I didn't know there were so many Baby Boomers still posting around here.
 
2014-03-05 08:25:01 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


Yes things would be horrible if we abolished corporal punishment for children. Why we might end up like Norway: with 100% literacy, a high standard of living, low inflation, a per person GDP double the US, a murder rate about half of that in the US... man that sounds bad.

Oh wait, no, the other thing... what is it... good, it sounds good!

What you seem to be unaware of is that there are nations that have banned corporal punishment for a long time. Norway banned it in 1987, Sweden banned it in 1979, and so on.

So no, you don't have reality on your side. Sorry, but in reality countries have banned it and no, they have not gone to shiat. If violence is the only way you can discipline and solve problems, then the problem is yours. Others have figured out how to do it without violence.
 
2014-03-05 08:29:31 PM  
Cythraul:

While I think the Mother in this video shouldn't win Mom-of-the-Year anytime soon, I think she may have been trying to help defuse the situation. She plays along with the abusive father's rant, and asks her daughter to 'assume the position,' half-heartedly hits her one time, and then says something along the lines of "there, you've been punished."


That was how I read the situation too.
 
2014-03-05 08:33:51 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: sycraft: Yes things would be horrible if we abolished corporal punishment for children. Why we might end up like Norway: with 100% literacy, a high standard of living, low inflation, a per person GDP double the US, a murder rate about half of that in the US... man that sounds bad.Oh wait, no, the other thing... what is it... good, it sounds good!What you seem to be unaware of is that there are nations that have banned corporal punishment for a long time. Norway banned it in 1987, Sweden banned it in 1979, and so on.So no, you don't have reality on your side. Sorry, but in reality countries have banned it and no, they have not gone to shiat. If violence is the only way you can discipline and solve problems, then the problem is yours. Others have figured out how to do it without violence.

do you generally compare apples and alien spacecraft, or is this new for you?


No I generally research the real world and come to conclusions based on what actually happens. I don't go and make non-sequitur statements, like you seem to, in an attempt to defend a position that was not reached via logic. I realize an attempt to use logic on you is futile, because your aren't basing your views on it, but it is amusing to me, and perhaps informative to others, to point out just how wrong you are.

Like, for example, your assertion that children are growing up with no concept of consequences. Yet data does not bear this out. Crime has been on a steady decline for decades in the US, so clearly people seem to understand consequences well enough to not do things that put them in jail on a larger and larger basis.

You are just puling the typical "neverwas" crap: Looking back on a rosy past where crime was low, everyone worked hard, families were golden, and society was so much better than now. In other words, a past that never was. A fiction that exists only in the imagination.
 
2014-03-05 08:35:17 PM  
He's kind of old, otherwise he would probably be elected governor soon.
 
2014-03-05 08:40:43 PM  
perhaps everyone would have just felt better if he'd have turned her in for her illegal downloads and let her work off a few hundred thousand dollars in fines for the rest of her life?  I'm sure she'd have been happier.
 
2014-03-05 08:52:18 PM  
Anyone the uses the "spare the Rod spoil the child" verse as an excuse for corporal punishment is an idiot. Rods were used by sheep Hearders to guide their sheep. They didn't beat their sheep with a Rod.
 
2014-03-05 08:53:36 PM  

fusillade762: revrendjim: Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.

Maybe you didn't shoot up schools, but now you are an adult incapable of empathy.

I'm gonna have to question the "adult" part.


Make lots of money, have good kids, unlike 99% of this message board. Maybe if your parents beat you instead of smoking crack and being on the welfare, you would take care of yourselves and the country, instead of ruining it.

Hippies raising kids is clearly not working.
 
2014-03-05 08:53:51 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: 1. you are comparing countries that have a fundamentally different societal structure both historically and currently as though the only metric is punishment style.


So you're saying that because the United States is a barbaric country, we need to use barbaric forms of child discipline?
 
2014-03-05 09:08:40 PM  
Can't tell if bunch of Internet Tough Guys who beat up children are gravitating to this thread or just trolls but I can tell you this:

I have 20+ years experience working with kids. I have never been permitted to physically touch them and somehow I have always managed just fine. Furthermore, I have noticed a huge correlation between parents that spank children (at least in public) and unruly children. They also tend to be lower class and rude or loud (this goes for both parent and child).

I grew up being spanked and was always pro-spanking and even now I really don't give a damn if you do or you don't. But I cannot ignore what I've seen.

One last thing: what was on that video was not spanking, it was not discipline. It was abuse perpetrated by someone who has anger and control issues, and he would have been punished with jail time had the statute of limitations not run out on the crime. That was the original judgement when this story came out.
 
2014-03-05 09:09:40 PM  
Judgement = statement by the court.
 
2014-03-05 09:15:54 PM  

stonelotus: wonders if she'll have the camera ready for her first boyfriend when he's applying the Irish mascara the first time she doesn't listen.


Irish mascara hahaha thats rich.

/ +1 internet for you
 
2014-03-05 09:21:06 PM  
Guys it really isnt even that bad of a spanking sheesh. I aint saying it is or is not right. Im just saying that particular video really aint that bad.
 
2014-03-05 09:37:34 PM  

svanmeter: sobriquet by any other name: svanmeter: Spare the rod...

...have to actually think to parent.

/last refuge of the incompetent
//95% of the time

I have a son in Law School... Where's yours? Rehab?


so your son is studying to become a lying, cheating crook.  are you posting that as evidence of good or bad parenting?

/I keed, I keed.
//there's some good lawyers out there.
 
2014-03-05 09:45:15 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: El Freak: HindiDiscoMonster: All the poor little snowflakes in here saying he should have lost his judgeship, be in jail, whatever... you are so wrong, it's sad and truly tragic. The problems we have with children today are from:

1. Inability to punish our children without them being taken away
2. Children growing up with the game system / tv as their source for morality
3. Parents who take no interest in their children's lives from school to friends, OR worse... trying to be their child's BFF instead of their parent.

This results in the following:

Children grow up with a fundamental lack of respect for everyone including themselves, no manners, and no concept of consequences for their actions.

That leaves us with your little utopian world snowflakes.... ie; reality as it is right now... so enjoy!

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?

IIRC,in the original video, this angry, screaming retard stopped, then came back a few minutes later and did it AGAIN, for no apparent reason. That's not punishment, that IS abuse.

I didn't mean what HE did was OK... what I was addressing was the general attitude toward corporal punishment.


Corporal punishment is idiotic.

The one time my mom spanked my brother and I with a belt I felt we had gotten away with it.  It hurt for all of thirty seconds and that was it.

My parents grounded you from TV, or going outside to play, or doing anything after school, or in rare cases, all of the above.  And of course, they kept their promise, so it's not like you could sneak a peek or they made an exception.  having three brothers and sisters, it was easy to feel left out and lonely when they would all three go out and you had to stay inside.  it made you think about what you did REAL hard, and made a much more lasting impression than any spanking or beating with a switch would have made.

we tell kids that violence is not a way to solve problems but then behave violently toward them to solve a problem?  How farked up is that?  Subtlety is not lost on kids, and even this isn't that subtle.  It undermines your teaching.
 
2014-03-05 09:50:14 PM  

svanmeter: I have a son in Law School


Do we need more lawyers?
 
2014-03-05 09:51:16 PM  

teenage mutant ninja rapist: Guys it really isnt even that bad of a spanking sheesh. I aint saying it is or is not right. Im just saying that particular video really aint that bad.


I've never seen anything like it in my life, outside of movies.  I pity you if your childhood made that seem "not that bad".
 
2014-03-05 09:53:49 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: !

/Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


No, actually, you don't

www.theesa.com
 
2014-03-05 09:58:38 PM  

2wolves: svanmeter: I have a son in Law School

Do we need more lawyers?


that judge went to law school.
 
2014-03-05 10:04:41 PM  
Meh, said it before, will probably say it again 'cause I'm annoying like that: it is at least debatable that there will be times in a kid's life when some sort of physical shiat is necessary. Not getting into the yes and no of that here. What I AM getting into, is WTSamF is going on that you feel you need a weapon to do this with? Seriously. And yes, regardless of how big, small, bendy, or not it may be it's a device to hurt someone worse than your hand, that's called a weapon - no matter what rationalizing you do to try to get around it. All other considerations aside you feel you need to whallop your kid with something to make it worse? FFS stop a minute and think about that. If it's truly needful by whatever beliefs you hold, unless you feel compelled to actually injure your children (in which case feel free to DIAF) there's no damn need for that.

/and for the "I don't want to hurt my hand doing it" crowd suck it up... you're doing yourself that much damage maybe you need to think a few on how much of what you're doing is justifiable and how much of it is you taking your anger out by kicking your kid's ass instead of trying to get a point across.
//sure sometimes you do want to kick their ass straight up - they can easily be that annoying. The fact that you do not do that is why you're a parent and not just a farkup that has unfortunately been given custody of a minor by accident of birth
 
2014-03-05 10:24:58 PM  
/rant

All my siblings were beaten by my father, my elder sister worst of all, for no reason.   Well, I guess my father being schitzophrenic, bi-polar, and suffering from PTSD and completely un-medicated had something to do with it.

Something about being four years old and hiding in the hallway, cringing with each lash my father gave my six year old sister, hearing her screams...because she was given a notebook by my grandmother.  Because she was "wasting paper."

By the time I was seven, and she nine, we were getting between my father and his blows directed at my one year old brother.  My mom pretended none of this happened, but she did have the foresight to cover up our bruises and cancel visits with relatives who were growing savvy to my dad's "discipline."

I've spent the last ten years of my life undoing the mental damage done to me by his violence and my mother's complete apathy.  I hope my sister can put her demons to rest, but it's a constant struggle.  Luckily, my brothers don't remember any of it, because they were still young when Dad got medicated. 

There is a big farking difference between discipline and physical violence.  If you sit angry that somebody might get their kids taken away because they beat them, then I can only hope to hell you don't breed.  Your potential kids deserve better. 

And thank the gods, Texas voters did something right for once.  Fark this judge, and his wife.  Fark them both right to hell.

/end rant
 
2014-03-05 10:29:03 PM  
I never hit my kid because I wouldn't be able to live with the guilt. anyhow, she never gave me a reason to and for that I'm grateful.

my mother felt no guilt, 5 feet nothing, 90 pounds and hands like iron claws.
 
2014-03-05 10:30:13 PM  

Thunderpipes: Bet she is a better kid than 905 of the kids out there. Ever think maybe she deserved it?

Got a 2x4, belt, backhand, etc as kids. Even the neighbors got the slap us if we got out of hand. None of us shot up schools or needed a friggin ride to a a "play date" either.


That explains how you became an authoritarian nutjob.
 
2014-03-05 10:33:12 PM  
saddest part of the article:

Aransas County Attorney Richard Bianchi narrowly defeated Judge William Adams in the Republican primary election, according to unofficial vote counts.

The piece of shiat nearly won reelection.
 
2014-03-05 10:46:48 PM  
My parents used a far more effective tool than a belt to keep me in line : Guilt*

/ *may not work with every kid
 
2014-03-05 11:13:57 PM  

geek_mars: I'm not against corporal punishment, but what parent needs to take a belt to a sixteen year old? We're talking about a young woman who developed the ability to reason a decade prior. Once a child can think, reason and communicate the need for corporal punishment steadily increases.


FTFY.
 
2014-03-05 11:16:48 PM  

coachwdb: Anyone the uses the "spare the Rod spoil the child" verse as an excuse for corporal punishment is an idiot. Rods were used by sheep Hearders to guide their sheep. They didn't beat their sheep with a Rod.


That interpretation has been eliminated from present day "conservative" "Christianity."
 
2014-03-05 11:17:04 PM  

2wolves: svanmeter: I have a son in Law School

Do we need more lawyers?


It's okay, his other son graduated top of his class in the Navy Seals. So he has that going for him, which is nice.
 
2014-03-05 11:45:47 PM  
And the pussification of America continues unabated.
 
2014-03-06 03:03:02 AM  
Her dad is such a lightweight Nancy, mine stripped our asses before he hit us with the belt. She still had her pants on!

Honestly, that was nothing. Guy wasn't even hitting her hard.

Kids these days are pussy little shiats. OoOoOo... a "time out."
 
2014-03-06 04:16:21 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: /Go ahead and flame on... I have reality as my evidence... what do you have?


The "reality" you've demonstrated in this thread is your complete inability to deal intelligently with anyone who disagrees with you. A fine testimony for the way you were raised indeed!
 
2014-03-06 06:51:51 AM  
That chick was hot. I wonder what ever happened to her?
 
2014-03-06 09:12:43 AM  
So parents aren't allowed to discipline their kids anymore. Good to know.
 
2014-03-06 09:55:40 AM  
"Arkansas County Attorney Richard Bianchi narrowly defeated Judge William Adams in the Republican primary election, according to unofficial vote counts "

I take it Adams lost because his constituents felt he was too soft.
 
2014-03-06 10:05:21 AM  
Numerous psychological studies have shown that punishment is, by and large, useless for behaviour modification.

The ONLY time when punishment had a net positive, long-term effect on bad behaviour was if it was given within SECONDS of the bad behaviour (IE you had to catch them in the act, not punish them for something they did earlier that day), if it didn't last more than a few seconds, and if it was given WITHOUT ANY EMOTION.  If you followed those three rules, it didn't matter if your punishment was a loud yell, a smack on the head, or taking away their favourite toy.  It didn't matter if the punishment was psychological, verbal, or physical.  As long as it was done quickly, after catching them in the act, and without anger.
 
2014-03-06 10:44:24 AM  
If  disciplining your 16 year oldrequires a belt, you have failed miserably and you suck at discipline. Especially here, when the girl's crime had such an easily available, built in discipline opportunity:

"You have shown that you are unable to use the computer appropriately. Therefore, you have lost your computer until you prove that you are responsible enough to be trusted with it."

Problem solved.
 
2014-03-06 11:01:35 AM  

Nix Nightbird: My dad's choice was a 2x2 we called "the stick", and you can bet that when I got old enough I broke that farking thing in half.

I don't remember my childhood before a certain point, but I do remember being 8 years old and being whipped with that damned stick. My folks never grounded me or locked me in my room without dinner. Dad just smacked me with that stick on my rear and thighs.

Conversely, I won't use corporal punishment on kids. All it does is makes them fear you. It doesn't teach them anything other than "bigger people will hold you down and hit you if you break their arbitrary rules."


Or a "Mommy and Daddy will take out all their emotions and frustrations out on you with no rhyme or reason".
 
2014-03-06 11:24:43 AM  

geek_mars: Taking a belt to a sixteen year old may not constitute abuse (though that's debatable), but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt.


You seem to be under the assumption that she needed what happened and seem to be overlooking that idea that this was done out of anger instead of as some sort of attempt at a corrective action.

This isn't failed parenting. This is a failure as a person on the part of the ex-judge.

And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. That line of reasoning isn't valid. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.

You can be feared as a parent or respected as a parent. Despite many people's opinions, there's little overlap. Fear do not equal respect.
 
2014-03-06 11:33:20 AM  
And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.


No, they don't need to. It's their children, and no one else's business.
 
2014-03-06 11:37:56 AM  
As always;

It's illegal to physically assault an adult, why then is it completely fine to physically assault a child?

Makes no sense.

If you think it's acceptable to strike a child you were most probably beat as a child by your parents and have serious anger issues since you can't seem to keep yourself from striking a child.
 
2014-03-06 11:42:13 AM  

doubled99: And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.


No, they don't need to. It's their children, and no one else's business.


It becomes the public's business when your child learns physical violence is an acceptable solution to problems and then brings that into the public domain.

Where do you think all these violent adults learned their aggressive behavior? You think they magically inherented a violence gene or perhaps they learned the behavior from their parents.

You hit a child, all you're doing is teaching that child that violence is an acceptable solutions to life's problems.
 
2014-03-06 11:55:16 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: geek_mars: Taking a belt to a sixteen year old may not constitute abuse (though that's debatable), but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt.

You seem to be under the assumption that she needed what happened and seem to be overlooking that idea that this was done out of anger instead of as some sort of attempt at a corrective action.

This isn't failed parenting. This is a failure as a person on the part of the ex-judge.

And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. That line of reasoning isn't valid. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.

You can be feared as a parent or respected as a parent. Despite many people's opinions, there's little overlap. Fear do not equal respect.


I wonder how many of the people who defend this because "my daddy hit me, and I turned out just fine", actually have really strained relationships with their parents as adults, or no relationship at all. I've seen that with people I know. They'll go on about how their parents used to basically beat the hell out of them and how it taught them "respect" and they turned out great, but they barely even speak to their parents, if at all. It doesn't seem to teach "respect" or any of that nonsense, it just breeds anger, resentment and mistrust.

doubled99: And for all of the people who say/think "I was hit as a child, therefore it's fine to continue to hit children", you should stop it. If you want to champion and/or validate physical punishment then that's fine. It's open for debate. But please find valid reasoning and logical trains of thought if you want to be taken seriously.


No, they don't need to. It's their children, and no one else's business.


So anything a parent decides to do to their child is just a-ok, huh? What about sexual abuse? Is that no one else's business too? We're talking about human beings with rights, not property. No you do not have the right to do with your children as you damn well please. There are legal limits, and there needs to be.
 
2014-03-06 12:15:55 PM  
So anything a parent decides to do to their child is just a-ok, huh? What about sexual abuse? Is that no one else's business too? We're talking about human beings with rights, not property. No you do not have the right to do with your children as you damn well please. There are legal limits, and there needs to be.


great point!
-if there had been sexual abuse here. But there isn't so your point is stupid.
 
2014-03-06 12:54:46 PM  
A little obscure, but...
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-06 02:43:19 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: My parents used a far more effective tool than a belt to keep me in line : Guilt*

/ *may not work with every kid


So you're Jewish, huh?
 
2014-03-06 02:47:14 PM  

Masta Kronix: As always;

It's illegal to physically assault an adult, why then is it completely fine to physically assault a child?

Makes no sense.

If you think it's acceptable to strike a child you were most probably beat as a child by your parents and have serious anger issues since you can't seem to keep yourself from striking a child.



THIS.

We live in a farked-up nation where people think it's "good old fashioned parenting" for a 40-year-old man to beat his 16-year-old daughter, but it's "perverted and sick" when a 19-year-old has sex with that same 16-year-old. The father gets re-elected, the young man gets put on the sex offender's list.

America considers violence better than sex. That's morally corrupt, right there.
 
2014-03-06 03:13:23 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: geek_mars: Taking a belt to a sixteen year old may not constitute abuse (though that's debatable), but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt.

You seem to be under the assumption that she needed what happened and seem to be overlooking that idea that this was done out of anger instead of as some sort of attempt at a corrective action.

This isn't failed parenting. This is a failure as a person on the part of the ex-judge.



I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say that I'm under the impression that "she needed what happened". If you mean she needed to be disciplined then I'd say that if she was doing illegal downloading then she needed to be corrected. And I'm not overlooking the idea that his actions were done in anger, with the pretense of discipline used to justify his abuse, but how is venting one's anger on one's children not a parenting failure? Failing as a person and failing as a parent aren't mutually exclusive. This guy's managed to do both spectacularly.

My comment was more about parenting in general as opposed to this specific instance, and I stand by what I said. There's no reason to take a belt to a kid and little reason to use corporal punishment once a child is able to think, reason and communicate. If a parent doesn't teach their child to do those things, that still doesn't justify taking a belt to the child.
 
2014-03-06 04:13:19 PM  
Discipline comes from the Latin word disciplina meaning to teach and learn.  This is not the modern usage, now it is used to mean punish.  What would we call the Disciples of Jesus nowadays?
 
2014-03-06 07:56:24 PM  

geek_mars: My comment was more about parenting in general as opposed to this specific instance, and I stand by what I said. There's no reason to take a belt to a kid and little reason to use corporal punishment once a child is able to think, reason and communicate. If a parent doesn't teach their child to do those things, that still doesn't justify taking a belt to the child.


Ah. Your comment made me think that you felt that she needed to be hit for the downloading.

"but it certainly constitutes a failure on the part of the parent to raise a child that can learn without having to have lessons reinforced with a belt."

I took that as you saying that his poor parenting skills led to her needing to be hit. As if the situation, that being the result of bad parenting, led to what happened being a necessity.

There is no reason to hit any child over downloading things, imho. You seem to agree with this. Although I'm finding your style of wording things to be less than clear (to me) in general. I think that we're on the same page, here.

And yes, being a failure as a person and being a failure as a parent aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. I get the feeling that his default course of action is force and unleashing anger until he feels satisfied. To me that is a failure as a person as that's probably his way of dealing with everything. Parenting just happens to be one of those things. It's entirely possible to be a good person in general but bad at parenting. One doesn't have to exist alongside the other.

To me, he seems like an overall failure as a person which supersedes everything else by being a root cause. I was probably less than clear about that, myself.
 
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