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(SacBee)   In a stunning departure from routine, the Senate blocks an Obama appointee   (sacbee.com) divider line 20
    More: Asinine, President Obama, appointees, legal representation, Fraternal Order of Police, Chief Justice John Roberts, Mumia Abu-Jamal, D-Ill, Pat Toomey  
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1288 clicks; posted to Politics » on 05 Mar 2014 at 5:05 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-03-05 05:15:48 PM  
6 votes:
I can understand the political reasons, so that's not what really bothered me.

The troubling thing was the rhetoric from the opponents; they chastised him for representing a murderer as a defense attorney.  This is absolutely beyond the pale.

The message there is that if you ever want to be appointed to serve the public, you need to avoid honoring our due process requirements rights at all costs lest you be labeled a supporter of cop killers.

The absolute LAST thing we need in this country is to undermine a defendant's right to representation in a court of law.
2014-03-05 08:17:56 PM  
2 votes:

MJMaloney187: jso2897: MJMaloney187: deeyablo: We get it...

No, I don't get the impression that many of you people do.

When Adegbile was acting director of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, he played a pivotal role in getting Abu-Jamal's 1981 death sentence overturned. Had Adegbile been nominated, Abu-Jamal would be strutting down the street a week later, just like Marshal Conway.

Abu-Jamal shot a 25 year old cop, Daniel Faulkner, in the back. Then in the chest. Then in the head. There were four eye witnesses. He should still be on death row. Period.

Well, it's nice to see that somebody isn't concerned with the loss of our personal freedoms in America.
Pillorying a defense attorney for doing his job?
Sure, why not - the guy he defended was, like, really icky!!
Jesus wept.

Adegbile didn't represent Abu-Jamal at trial. Abu-Jamal chose to represent himself, which the judge agreed to initially but revoked because Abu-Jamal has the brain of a child and kept disrupting the process with animal noises. I'm surprised you would reflexively defend the "personal freedoms" of a brutal murderer.


There's a very important (to everyone) distinction here that I think is being lost. He's not defending the personal freedoms of a brutal murderer. While the accused was on trial, he was innocent (until proven guilty) and in order for our justice system to function every accused citizen is entitled to a fair trial. What trial can be considered fair when the accused can't get a competent defense?

We so casually toss aside the concept of innocent until proven guilty, but it is one of the cornerstones of our nation. That is one of only two things that make the U.S. truly unique in the world (separation of Church and State being the other). Every defendant is entitled to a proper defense, no matter how despicable the accused or how heinous the alleged crime. If we ignore that facet of our judicial system, we might as well do like the rest of the world and place the burden of proof on the accused, presuming guilt until proven otherwise.
2014-03-05 07:16:22 PM  
2 votes:

deeyablo: We get it...


No, I don't get the impression that many of you people do.

When Adegbile was acting director of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, he played a pivotal role in getting Abu-Jamal's 1981 death sentence overturned. Had Adegbile been nominated, Abu-Jamal would be strutting down the street a week later, just like Marshal Conway.

Abu-Jamal shot a 25 year old cop, Daniel Faulkner, in the back. Then in the chest. Then in the head. There were four eye witnesses. He should still be on death row. Period.
2014-03-05 05:53:09 PM  
2 votes:
qorkfiend:
John Roberts provided pro bono legal representation to a man in Florida who had been convicted of killing eight people and was on death row. I don't recall hearing about that during either of his confirmation hearings.

Well, in John Roberts defense, he's not black.  So there you go.  Totally different story here.

It's not the Senators who voted no that ticks me off.  It's not the fact that those Senators voted no because they are terrified of the "issue ads" that will run basically tying them to a cop killer because they voted for the guy who defended the cop killer.  Nope.  It's the people in this country who are so farking stupid that they would fall for this "issue ad" and vote for the other guy.  That's who I'm pissed at.  Those people are ruining this country.
2014-03-05 05:37:04 PM  
2 votes:

qorkfiend: Old enough to know better: I gotta give the President credit. I would have thrown up my hands, yelled "fark you people" and gone home a long time ago.

In fairness, there were several Democratic "nays" on this one.


And they all deserve a cockpunch too.
2014-03-05 05:09:26 PM  
2 votes:
Anyone with any ties to Mumia Abu Jamal has no business working for taxpayers.
2014-03-06 01:00:13 AM  
1 votes:
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Frowns on these shenanigans
2014-03-05 10:47:28 PM  
1 votes:
You ever hear the story about LeBron James and the 5'1 120 lb 13 year old.  It seems they had a one on one pick up game and everyone thought LeBron was going to win because, you know, it's a slam dunk so to speak.

Then a funny thing happened.  LeBron threw sand in the guy's eyes and tied his hands behind his back and, to make absolutely sure, glued his sneakers to the basketball court floor.  And he won big.  People said, "Wow, LeBron was going to win anyway why did he have to cheat so bad?"

Now, in this situation, Lebron is the Philadelphia police/DA/Judge and the 5'1 guy is Mumia Abu-Jamal.  It was a slam dunk case that they were easily going to win because Abu-Jamal did it and was caught dead to rights.  Yet they were still cheating like hell during the trial.  That kind of corruption in a trial always needs to come to light or we don't stand a chance as a nation with the rule of law.
2014-03-05 08:54:12 PM  
1 votes:

MJMaloney187: That really nice. Thank you. But in the real world, the only people that deserve a competent defense are the ones who can afford to pay a lawyer. Otherwise, you probably shouldn't shoot a cop in the back in front of witnesses.


Well, okay... As long as we can vote on who deserves equal protection...

Are you listening to yourself?
2014-03-05 07:45:33 PM  
1 votes:

MJMaloney187: jso2897: MJMaloney187: deeyablo: We get it...

No, I don't get the impression that many of you people do.

When Adegbile was acting director of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, he played a pivotal role in getting Abu-Jamal's 1981 death sentence overturned. Had Adegbile been nominated, Abu-Jamal would be strutting down the street a week later, just like Marshal Conway.

Abu-Jamal shot a 25 year old cop, Daniel Faulkner, in the back. Then in the chest. Then in the head. There were four eye witnesses. He should still be on death row. Period.

Well, it's nice to see that somebody isn't concerned with the loss of our personal freedoms in America.
Pillorying a defense attorney for doing his job?
Sure, why not - the guy he defended was, like, really icky!!
Jesus wept.

Adegbile didn't represent Abu-Jamal at trial. Abu-Jamal chose to represent himself, which the judge agreed to initially but revoked because Abu-Jamal has the brain of a child and kept disrupting the process with animal noises. I'm surprised you would reflexively defend the "personal freedoms" of a brutal murderer.


I'm not. I'm defending his, your, and my right to a competent defense when charged with a crime.
2014-03-05 07:44:27 PM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: because they vote against all Democratic nominees, something hardly unprecedented (see Owen, Priscilla and Bork, Robert)


Bork was extreme, and the Senate voted him down because he was too extreme. That's how advise and consent should work. Priscilla Owen was flat out insane and has been a wildly extremist disaster on the courts. The Democrats allowed all but the most extreme judges a quick confirmation- they weren't blocking them because they were Republicans, they were blocking a very small subset for substantive reasons, which is how the system was designed. Republicans have blocked every nominee, forcing a massive battle for every noncontroversial appointment.

Both sides are not equal.
2014-03-05 07:42:57 PM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: MJMaloney187: When Adegbile was acting director of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, he played a pivotal role in getting Abu-Jamal's 1981 death sentence overturned. Had Adegbile been nominated, Abu-Jamal would be strutting down the street a week later, just like Marshal Conway.

Had Adegbile been nominated to what? When?

That ambiguity aside. We really do get that. And justice was served. You know what else serves justice? Living in a society where even the worst criminals get a competent defense, and where we don't hold a defense attorney doing his job against him later in life.


Take it up w/ the police unions, they absolutely despise the man

No matter how good somebodies qualifications are you're a terrible manager if you try and hire somebody who its out right hated by the customers and/or fellow co-workers
2014-03-05 07:28:57 PM  
1 votes:
Love it when I get crap for representing high profile criminals. Don't call me when you get your DUI.
2014-03-05 07:27:37 PM  
1 votes:

MJMaloney187: deeyablo: We get it...

No, I don't get the impression that many of you people do.

When Adegbile was acting director of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, he played a pivotal role in getting Abu-Jamal's 1981 death sentence overturned. Had Adegbile been nominated, Abu-Jamal would be strutting down the street a week later, just like Marshal Conway.

Abu-Jamal shot a 25 year old cop, Daniel Faulkner, in the back. Then in the chest. Then in the head. There were four eye witnesses. He should still be on death row. Period.


Well, it's nice to see that somebody isn't concerned with the loss of our personal freedoms in America.
Pillorying a defense attorney for doing his job?
Sure, why not - the guy he defended was, like, really icky!!
Jesus wept.
2014-03-05 07:26:45 PM  
1 votes:

MJMaloney187: When Adegbile was acting director of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, he played a pivotal role in getting Abu-Jamal's 1981 death sentence overturned. Had Adegbile been nominated, Abu-Jamal would be strutting down the street a week later, just like Marshal Conway.


Had Adegbile been nominated to what? When?

That ambiguity aside. We really do get that. And justice was served. You know what else serves justice? Living in a society where even the worst criminals get a competent defense, and where we don't hold a defense attorney doing his job against him later in life.
2014-03-05 06:51:41 PM  
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Tigger: There is no such thing as a moral republican.

This has nothing to do with morals. Politics rarely does.

The Republicans didn't vote against him  for moral reasons, they voted against him because they vote against all Democratic nominees, something hardly unprecedented (see Owen, Priscilla and Bork, Robert). The Democratic senators who also voted against him did so because Mumia is a third rail in the regions they are from.

Obama didn't do his homework on this nominee. Just as important as qualifications is their ability to be confirmed. He thought that because the Democrats nuked the Senate that it would be a slam dunk and he didn't need to look at the big picture, such as running the guy past the usual interest groups, which is (for better or worse how it is usually done). The Fraternal Order of Police made him pay for it. He'll get another nominee, he'll do it right this time, and he'll be confirmed, hopefully learning the appropriate lesson from it.


All valid points. But there is still no such thing as a moral republican.
2014-03-05 05:48:35 PM  
1 votes:
To be fair, even though a lot of Senators are lawyers and are, in fact, law makers, and as such they understand what they are doing is wrong, they are also politicians, so their ethics are terrible.
2014-03-05 05:35:17 PM  
1 votes:

doyner: I can understand the political reasons, so that's not what really bothered me.

The troubling thing was the rhetoric from the opponents; they chastised him for representing a murderer as a defense attorney.  This is absolutely beyond the pale.

The message there is that if you ever want to be appointed to serve the public, you need to avoid honoring our due process requirements rights at all costs lest you be labeled a supporter of cop killers.

The absolute LAST thing we need in this country is to undermine a defendant's right to representation in a court of law.



I guess the teatards need to start referring to John Adams* as a FFINO (Founding Father in Name Only).

*Provided defense and secured not guilty verdicts for the accused British soldiers from the Boston Massacre.
2014-03-05 05:20:02 PM  
1 votes:
I gotta give the President credit. I would have thrown up my hands, yelled "fark you people" and gone home a long time ago.
2014-03-05 05:13:26 PM  
1 votes:

nmrsnr: FTFA: "Today, as my husband lies 33 years in his grave, his killer has become a wealthy celebrity," she wrote.

I can't begin to imagine what it's like to lose a loved one in the line, but the killer is in prison for life, and until recently was on death row, I'm not sure what else you could really ask for.


Not having douchebags turn him into some sort of cause celebre?
 
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