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2014-03-05 12:10:50 PM  
Power supply.  Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.

Until there is a small enough power supply to move this exo around for eight hours it isn't anything but a lab toy.
 
2014-03-05 12:52:26 PM  
Here we have our hippy lifting and fashioning what appears to be the beginnings of a large mech bong.
 
2014-03-05 12:53:23 PM  
Urge to yell "Get away from her, you biatch!" in Italian rising.
 
2014-03-05 12:54:30 PM  
Archer will be happy.
 
2014-03-05 12:55:55 PM  
will it have a welding torch?
 
2014-03-05 12:57:05 PM  

2wolves: Power supply.  Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.

Until there is a small enough power supply to move this exo around for eight hours it isn't anything but a lab toy.


Came here to say this.
 
2014-03-05 01:00:22 PM  

Ivandrago: 2wolves: Power supply.  Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.

Until there is a small enough power supply to move this exo around for eight hours it isn't anything but a lab toy.

Came here to say this.


Unless its job I relegated to a smallish area, where it can be plugged into an external power source.  Then its perfectly usable.
 
2014-03-05 01:11:01 PM  
Yeah, that's cute and all, but they rolled it out in '10 here at Raytheon in Utah and had Agent Coulson on hand for the show that day. And yeah, it can still be a tethered power supply when it is a single person loading out a fighter jet or bomber rather than 4 or 5 guys and a couple of dolly trucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO0xNI3xpmE
 
2014-03-05 01:23:26 PM  
Came here for "Get away from her, you biatch!", leaving happy.

/just watched it again last week.
 
2014-03-05 01:39:26 PM  
Wake me when it does something I actually can't do unassisted.
 
2014-03-05 01:39:45 PM  

2wolves: Power supply.  Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.

Until there is a small enough power supply to move this exo around for eight hours it isn't anything but a lab toy.


Commercial pallet jacks and Hi-Los tend to run maybe 6 hours a pop. Of course, that's with batteries in the several hundred pound range.

AntonChigger: Ivandrago: 2wolves: Power supply.  Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.

Until there is a small enough power supply to move this exo around for eight hours it isn't anything but a lab toy.

Came here to say this.

Unless its job I relegated to a smallish area, where it can be plugged into an external power source.  Then its perfectly usable.


Industrial uses will need a comparable battery life, because you can't be dragging a cord behind a unit in a warehouse or dock. Cords and tethered power supplies for loaders is an invitation for accidents. Yeah, I did my stint in a warehouse and still have my certs for electric and gas powered lifts, and the one thing you don't want where there are people, equipment, and heavy loads, is a cord that can be run over, tripped over, or tangled. Not with big pieces of metal that can take a tumble.  Add live current to that mix via cords, and you've got OSHA all over you, not to mention a world of hurt coming down on you with insurance.

Don't get me wrong: powered assist for warehouses is a great idea, but unless it has a power source that is on board, it's not going to be feasible. It doesn't have to be in the 8 hour range, especially if batteries can be swapped out as quickly as pallet jacks or Hi-Los, or gas cannisters for forklifts, but they do need to be self contained, for the safety of those around you, and the operator.
 
2014-03-05 01:39:55 PM  

AntonChigger: Ivandrago: 2wolves: Power supply.  Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.

Until there is a small enough power supply to move this exo around for eight hours it isn't anything but a lab toy.

Came here to say this.

Unless its job I relegated to a smallish area, where it can be plugged into an external power source.  Then its perfectly usable.


That's what I thought too... Something similar to that would be perfectly fine on the factory floor of certain places... Even the military could use that to help load trucks or pallets to be put into trucks
 
2014-03-05 01:40:09 PM  

AntonChigger: Ivandrago: 2wolves: Power supply.  Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.

Until there is a small enough power supply to move this exo around for eight hours it isn't anything but a lab toy.

Came here to say this.

Unless its job I relegated to a smallish area, where it can be plugged into an external power source.  Then its perfectly usable.


Well, it is a load lifting system. Could not part of the load be a genpac? A few horse power behind one calf, a bank of super capacitors behind the other. Power the whole thing with liter sized propane bottles and you have construction equipment.

The intuitive exoskeleton has been a strange tangent on the path to androids. Instead of replacing human intelligence with super strong robot limbs, it's a brief melding. We might not get the golem that is a robot AI, so it keeps orthogonally robust humans in the picture for the foreseeable future.
 
2014-03-05 01:54:42 PM  
How cute.  Talk to me when it surpasses the limits of human strength (Kazmeier could cheat curl 315 pounds for 15 reps, and that was a LONG time ago) without an external power supply.
 
2014-03-05 02:03:31 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: How cute.  Talk to me when it surpasses the limits of human strength (Kazmeier could cheat curl 315 pounds for 15 reps, and that was a LONG time ago) without an external power supply.


Could he do that for 8 hours straight?
 
2014-03-05 02:08:17 PM  
My hesitation with units like this is that it's not just about pure strength, but also balance. Can it lift and still stay balanced?  Yeah, a mech suit sounds cool and all, but there's still the matter of counterbalance. It has to be massive enough to NOT just pull the unit INTO the load. Even forklifts have this issue. Ever watch a unit try to pick up a load heavier than it is? You don't. You just see the forks pull the unit out of balance, and up into the air. Funny, but with a lot of potential danger and for damn sure it doesn't get trucks loaded...
 
2014-03-05 02:18:41 PM  

KellyX: Benevolent Misanthrope: How cute.  Talk to me when it surpasses the limits of human strength (Kazmeier could cheat curl 315 pounds for 15 reps, and that was a LONG time ago) without an external power supply.

Could he do that for 8 hours straight?


Can this exoskeleton, without a cord?
 
2014-03-05 02:21:55 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: KellyX: Benevolent Misanthrope: How cute.  Talk to me when it surpasses the limits of human strength (Kazmeier could cheat curl 315 pounds for 15 reps, and that was a LONG time ago) without an external power supply.

Could he do that for 8 hours straight?

Can this exoskeleton, without a cord?


What's it honestly matter? If this was installed to work on a factory floor or something and not move around many feet from where it's stationed, the ability to lift 200 lbs or so of material over and over hour after hour would benefit a company well.
 
2014-03-05 02:26:05 PM  

KellyX: What's it honestly matter? If this was installed to work on a factory floor or something and not move around many feet from where it's stationed, the ability to lift 200 lbs or so of material over and over hour after hour would benefit a company well.


If it's meant to work in a factory you'd be better off with a mechanical arm on a rail system.
 
2014-03-05 02:52:05 PM  

brap: Urge to yell "Get away from her, you biatch!" in Italian rising.


Lontano da lei, voi biatch!

/going by the translator i used no italian world for biatch.
 
2014-03-05 03:37:54 PM  

2wolves: Power supply.  Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.

Until there is a small enough power supply to move this exo around for eight hours it isn't anything but a lab toy.


Only 8? How cute, you think deployed military personnel work 8 hour shifts.
 
2014-03-05 03:39:10 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Wake me when it does something I actually can't do unassisted.


I can have sex with your mother unassisted, but the exosuit really brings our coitus to the next level.
 
2014-03-05 03:46:09 PM  
In my day, a "power supply" was called an engine.
...And you could make an engine fit on damn near anything.

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-05 04:28:11 PM  
fight xenomorph queen?

Oprah?
www.therundown.tv
 
2014-03-05 04:31:35 PM  
Do you even lift?
 
2014-03-05 04:34:47 PM  
wildcardjack:

Well, it is a load lifting system.

My first job was programming binary load lifters.
 
2014-03-05 05:04:49 PM  

grimlock1972: brap: Urge to yell "Get away from her, you biatch!" in Italian rising.

Lontano da lei, voi biatch!

/going by the translator i used no italian world for biatch.


I believe Italian word for biatch (or at least the closest equivalent) is putana.

/ not really sure how I know that
 
2014-03-05 05:30:15 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: KellyX: What's it honestly matter? If this was installed to work on a factory floor or something and not move around many feet from where it's stationed, the ability to lift 200 lbs or so of material over and over hour after hour would benefit a company well.

If it's meant to work in a factory you'd be better off with a mechanical arm on a rail system.


Wat?

Not all factories are assembly lines, some require as much versatility as possible.

hubiestubert: Commercial pallet jacks and Hi-Los tend to run maybe 6 hours a pop. Of course, that's with batteries in the several hundred pound range.


6 hours is the low side.  Some of them are also capable of lifting a lot more in materials, tools, and personnel.... 600-1k pounds at least as far as i've used.

So, retro-fit one without the lift part, just the suit and the wheel drives....  Drive the battery bank to where you need, then deploy the suit, which is tethered to the unit.

Thing is, with a suit like as such(heh), you're not going to be backpacking for miles with it if you're carrying heavy payloads.  Anyplace you can carry something that large, you're going to be able to get some sort of wheeled unit to or air dropped in the vicinity.

Sure, there are oddball tasks, but really, if you're doing heavy work, you're most always going to be doing it in one area.  If not, there are typically more efficient means of transport.  transport was never the problem, it's the finer manipulation on site that gets problematic and/or time consuming, be it military or factory use.

Hoists and lifts are only so flexible, also fairly slow, and require a good bit of clearance.
 
2014-03-05 06:18:22 PM  

Ghastly: wildcardjack:

Well, it is a load lifting system.

My first job was programming binary load lifters.


So....up or down?
 
2014-03-05 06:57:24 PM  

lake_huron: Ghastly: wildcardjack:

Well, it is a load lifting system.

My first job was programming binary load lifters.

So....up or down?


It was a movie reference.
 
2014-03-05 07:46:13 PM  
 
2014-03-05 07:48:29 PM  

omeganuepsilon: lake_huron: Ghastly: wildcardjack:

Well, it is a load lifting system.

My first job was programming binary load lifters.

So....up or down?

It was a movie reference.


http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Binary_loadlifter
 
2014-03-05 07:56:53 PM  

artthehypnotist: omeganuepsilon: lake_huron: Ghastly: wildcardjack:

Well, it is a load lifting system.

My first job was programming binary load lifters.

So....up or down?

It was a movie reference.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Binary_loadlifter


Are you quoting me because I am somehow wrong or did you mean to quote the other guy?
 
2014-03-05 08:04:41 PM  

omeganuepsilon: artthehypnotist: omeganuepsilon: lake_huron: Ghastly: wildcardjack:

Well, it is a load lifting system.

My first job was programming binary load lifters.

So....up or down?

It was a movie reference.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Binary_loadlifter

Are you quoting me because I am somehow wrong or did you mean to quote the other guy?


You were right. I was just showing some more info. Actually, I had never looked it up till now. Was sort of an interesting back story, and thought I would share. No disrespect meant.
 
2014-03-05 08:15:02 PM  

artthehypnotist: omeganuepsilon: artthehypnotist: omeganuepsilon: lake_huron: Ghastly: wildcardjack:

Well, it is a load lifting system.

My first job was programming binary load lifters.

So....up or down?

It was a movie reference.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Binary_loadlifter

Are you quoting me because I am somehow wrong or did you mean to quote the other guy?

You were right. I was just showing some more info. Actually, I had never looked it up till now. Was sort of an interesting back story, and thought I would share. No disrespect meant.


Ah.  No worries. That's what I get for being vague.(Figured I'd let him rectify his own miss and google it).
 
2014-03-05 08:54:23 PM  

omeganuepsilon: To The Escape Zeppelin!: KellyX: What's it honestly matter? If this was installed to work on a factory floor or something and not move around many feet from where it's stationed, the ability to lift 200 lbs or so of material over and over hour after hour would benefit a company well.

If it's meant to work in a factory you'd be better off with a mechanical arm on a rail system.

Wat?

Not all factories are assembly lines, some require as much versatility as possible.


If it's a repetitive task, you can build a machine that will do it that doesn't require you to pay a human operator. If it isn't, I pick the thing up and put it where it goes, and no need to buy the expensive machine. If the machine were more capable, say, up to 500 lbs., I would have a much easier time of seeing the utility.
 
2014-03-05 09:13:09 PM  
Whatever.  It's clear you've never worked in many industrial environments.
 
2014-03-05 10:19:52 PM  
I could see things moving around barriers with an umbilacled exo when constructing a military (or disaster relief) structure. Drive up in the HEMMT, walk the exo off the back, turn around, load and shift heavy things off truck. Load exo back onto HEMMT. Drive away. Rough terrain capable, fast and flexible. Loading tactical aircraft doesn't seem worth it. Airbases have nice flat concrete aprons and low wings, jammers rule there. Maybe at a FARP.

At a logistical center like AMC uses, robotic pallets all the way.
 
2014-03-05 10:51:54 PM  

verbaltoxin: Only 8? How cute, you think deployed military personnel work 8 hour shifts.


How dim.  You think these units, if deployed, will be used like regular grunt infantry?  Take on a mind set more like jet combat during the Korean fustercluck.

Now be a good lad and crawl back under your rock.
 
2014-03-06 12:17:50 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Whatever.  It's clear you've never worked in many industrial environments.


It's clear you're one of those people that gets overly-enthusiastic about unripe technologies.
 
2014-03-06 05:34:17 AM  

Frederf: I could see things moving around barriers with an umbilacled exo when constructing a military (or disaster relief) structure. Drive up in the HEMMT, walk the exo off the back, turn around, load and shift heavy things off truck. Load exo back onto HEMMT. Drive away. Rough terrain capable, fast and flexible. Loading tactical aircraft doesn't seem worth it. Airbases have nice flat concrete aprons and low wings, jammers rule there. Maybe at a FARP.

At a logistical center like AMC uses, robotic pallets all the way.


Just what I had meant with my post, but specifically a military setting.

You Air force?
/I was.
//haven't heard the term "jammers" in a long while

forgotmydamnusername: omeganuepsilon: Whatever.  It's clear you've never worked in many industrial environments.

It's clear you're one of those people that gets overly-enthusiastic about unripe technologies.


Ah, the QA defense.
 
2014-03-06 09:44:12 AM  
Things that walk, if stable enough, are great for really rough and uneven terrain. Wheels aren't always great when the going gets really rough, then that can be vastly compounded by something like a forklift with nearly no suspension movement.

So if it can be kept stable enough to allow someone to pickup the load then carry it quickly and drop it off I can see it being good for any operation like that in rough or off-road terrain. If it's reasonably smooth hard pavement then something like a traditional forklift, pallet jack, or two wheel dolly would be a better option.

Also, like a few have said the lifting capacity of that is not really worth all the hassle. While I'm not likely to pick up 200lbs by myself with help from one person it becomes manageable. Most forklifts I've been around are about 2500-5000lbs lifting capacity. If you're moving freight, or about anything else you'd normally use a piece of equipment for it's not likely to be light enough for this thing.

As far as power putting a small engine on there with either a small generator or hydraulic pump wouldn't be hard. Me I'd want to see it scaled up to where you have a forklift propane tank for fuel, a engine running a hudraulic pump, and the rest of the system robust enough for a few thousand pounds lifting capacity. But, I imagine at that point like a forklift you're about twice as heavy as what you can lift.
 
2014-03-06 10:21:09 AM  

2wolves: Power supply.  Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.   Power supply.

Until there is a small enough power supply to move this exo around for eight hours it isn't anything but a lab toy.


There is a power supply for this. It isn't silent by any means, but it is proven, scalable, and efficient  tech and works well for similar applications. The plan is to power the suit with a Microturbine generator pack.
 
2014-03-06 11:48:14 AM  
It looks like the weight of the arms, as well as the weight of whatever's being lifted, is going straight onto the shoulder straps/waistbelt of the operator.  Am I missing something?
 
2014-03-06 12:29:09 PM  

NBSV: Also, like a few have said the lifting capacity of that is not really worth all the hassle. While I'm not likely to pick up 200lbs by myself with help from one person it becomes manageable.


For a short amount of time.  Hold it out at arms length for more that a few seconds?  unless you're super buff you're going to drop it within a minute, maybe two.

It's not just about picking things up and setting them down.  It's about holding them in place while other connections are made, bolts inserted and tightened, etc etc.  Factor in the need for precision and you could have to hold it there for a good bit of time.

/work in a plant that requires just that, just parts of these machines can weigh tons, several hundred pounds, or a few ounces, the full gamut
//it's all got to be set up just-so.

Even at 200lbs, and tethered these things could be very useful in a lot of applications.  Of course, they're still in developement, surely tweaks for specialized uses could be made, it's an adaptable concept.
 
2014-03-06 04:32:50 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Frederf: I could see things moving around barriers with an umbilacled exo when constructing a military (or disaster relief) structure. Drive up in the HEMMT, walk the exo off the back, turn around, load and shift heavy things off truck. Load exo back onto HEMMT. Drive away. Rough terrain capable, fast and flexible. Loading tactical aircraft doesn't seem worth it. Airbases have nice flat concrete aprons and low wings, jammers rule there. Maybe at a FARP.

At a logistical center like AMC uses, robotic pallets all the way.

Just what I had meant with my post, but specifically a military setting.

You Air force?
/I was.
//haven't heard the term "jammers" in a long while

forgotmydamnusername: omeganuepsilon: Whatever.  It's clear you've never worked in many industrial environments.

It's clear you're one of those people that gets overly-enthusiastic about unripe technologies.

Ah, the QA defense.


Just a fan.

Also I wonder if Raytheon considered a selectable force feedback mode where you got a reduced sense of the strain the exo was under. It would help for fine tasks.
 
2014-03-06 04:46:04 PM  

Frederf: Just a fan.

Also I wonder if Raytheon considered a selectable force feedback mode where you got a reduced sense of the strain the exo was under. It would help for fine tasks.


I was kind of wondering about that myself, as well as safeties(ie sturdy physical stops).

I saw the way the guy moved in the suit, and thought to myself, "if he sneezed or threw up, would he squash himself or bend himself in two?"

Not sure how much of the backbone and is articulated and such, but it didn't look like the safest thing in that regard.

/if you're a fan enough to know what a jammer is you may know what LANTIRN pods are
//worked on those in the backshop, I didn't see much flightline at those bases
///later though worked on c-130 (various models) and H-53, and that was neat...until it came time to apply power to the aircraft for testing, a whole new level of responsibility I wasn't prepared for.
////no nifty jammers for our stuff on those airframes, just tailored jacks and a glorified golf cart to tow them with. : (
 
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