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(Daily Star)   If you're planning on climbing Mount Everest, you better bring at least one empty garbage bag to the mountain and leave with at least one full one. We're still waiting to hear if dead climbers are considered 'garbage'   (dailystar.co.uk) divider line 45
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2014-03-05 08:43:47 AM  
When the line to get onto Disney's Expedition Everest ride is shorter than the line to get up the Hilary Step you know all you need to know
 
2014-03-05 08:48:19 AM  
They are compost.
 
2014-03-05 08:59:30 AM  
And I thought nothing could make climbing Everest less appealing.

I was wrong.
 
2014-03-05 09:32:58 AM  
Actually, many of the live climbers are garbage as well.
 
2014-03-05 09:37:09 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: When the line to get onto Disney's Expedition Everest ride is shorter than the line to get up the Hilary Step you know all you need to know



Farking that.  Attempting Grand Teton solo a few years ago told me all I need to know about popular climbs filled with guide groups.
 
2014-03-05 09:43:34 AM  

UberDave: Mr. Coffee Nerves: When the line to get onto Disney's Expedition Everest ride is shorter than the line to get up the Hilary Step you know all you need to know


Farking that.  Attempting Grand Teton solo a few years ago told me all I need to know about popular climbs filled with guide groups.


I don't climb mountains so maybe there's something I'm missing here. Is it a hipster-type thing where a mountain is only cool until everyone else thinks so?
 
2014-03-05 09:43:58 AM  

UberDave: Farking that. Attempting Grand Teton solo a few years ago told me all I need to know about popular climbs filled with guide groups.


Isn't that just a hike?
 
2014-03-05 09:45:34 AM  
Old and busted:  Climbing Mount Everest

New hotness:  Climbing K2
 
2014-03-05 09:46:30 AM  

grokca: They are compost.


Not up there, they're not.
 
2014-03-05 09:50:05 AM  

Jeet Kune D'oh: Old and busted:  Climbing Mount Everest

New hotness:  Climbing K2


Old and busted: Dying on Mt. Everest

New hotness: Dying on K2

True Hipsterness: Dying on Annapurna
 
2014-03-05 09:53:54 AM  

sethen320: I don't climb mountains so maybe there's something I'm missing here. Is it a hipster-type thing where a mountain is only cool until everyone else thinks so?


To be fair it hasnt been cool to climb mount Everest in 51 years.  And even then there were people going up it, they just werent white so nobody counted them.


If I had unlimited funds I would install a weather proof gondola there and charge $10 bucks a pop for anybody who wanted to go up and down in a few hours in a catered and heated room with windows.  A quick trip with beer and corndogs, nothing else.  Run the entire operation with local sherpas and train them to maintain everything so they keep making money, hell more money than they were pulling in before.

Sell T-shirts and crap out of concession stands.  Also hire them to arange all the frozen bodies into giant letters that spell out "Welcome to the Everest Experience" on the side of the mountain for the tourist flood.

/kickstarter?
//as long as China keeps getting the same paychecks I dont think they will care.
 
2014-03-05 09:54:54 AM  
Are Chock Full O' Nuts cans still OK?

img.timeinc.net
 
2014-03-05 09:55:13 AM  
Ok, haul up a high-tensile rope with you. On the way back down, tie one end to a corpse. When you get to the bottom, attach the other end to a big winch like a swing yarder. Cable-haul the bodies off the mountain.
 
2014-03-05 09:57:13 AM  

Jeet Kune D'oh: Old and busted:  Climbing Mount Everest

New hotness:  Climbing K2


Funny thing, but I've been watching a bunch of mountaineering documentaries on Netflix, and K2 (while not as tall) is considered to be the more technical of the two peaks. Quite frankly, I don't see the allure of going anywhere that features a place called the "death zone".

/ makes do with Sandia Crest (3000 meters)
 
2014-03-05 10:00:37 AM  
My dream is not to summit but to go fetch Green Boots and bring him home. I'll call it Operation: ForEverRest.
 
2014-03-05 10:01:59 AM  

loaba: Jeet Kune D'oh: Old and busted:  Climbing Mount Everest

New hotness:  Climbing K2

Funny thing, but I've been watching a bunch of mountaineering documentaries on Netflix, and K2 (while not as tall) is considered to be the more technical of the two peaks. Quite frankly, I don't see the allure of going anywhere that features a place called the "death zone".

/ makes do with Sandia Crest (3000 meters)


Ehhh give it another 100 years of Global warming and we can just ride motorcycles up the things while wearing bathing suits.
 
2014-03-05 10:06:21 AM  

sethen320: I don't climb mountains so maybe there's something I'm missing here. Is it a hipster-type thing where a mountain is only cool until everyone else thinks so?


That's pretty much true with everything, right?

/Green Boots laughs a macabre laugh at you hipsters.
 
2014-03-05 10:08:47 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Actually, many of the live climbers are garbage as well.




So are the brokers and travel agents who push climbing Everest as the ultimate adventure.
 
2014-03-05 10:11:20 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: sethen320: I don't climb mountains so maybe there's something I'm missing here. Is it a hipster-type thing where a mountain is only cool until everyone else thinks so?

That's pretty much true with everything, right?

/Green Boots laughs a macabre laugh at you hipsters.


That's farking sad - I can't name any professional climbers today, but I know about the likes of David Sharp (poor bastard) and Green Boots and Sleeping Beauty... Apparently once you hit the fixed ropes (on the South side), the bodies just kinda start to pile up (like a sort of highway mile marker.)
 
2014-03-05 10:16:46 AM  

sethen320: UberDave: Mr. Coffee Nerves: When the line to get onto Disney's Expedition Everest ride is shorter than the line to get up the Hilary Step you know all you need to know


Farking that.  Attempting Grand Teton solo a few years ago told me all I need to know about popular climbs filled with guide groups.

I don't climb mountains so maybe there's something I'm missing here. Is it a hipster-type thing where a mountain is only cool until everyone else thinks so?



It's not that.  Climbing in the back country or with a multi-day approach is a very nice experience (Teton can be done in a long day from the trail head but taking a couple of days is better IMO).  And a seeing others on the climb isn't bad either.  I did Borah in Idaho and there were quite a few people up there - all friendly with everyone in a good mood.  I don't know what it was with Teton but most of the other groups and individuals were really closed up and unfriendly.  It may have had something to do with the guide groups who acted like anyone not with a guide service was in the way.  And they practically went out of their way to act like assholes to everyone.  Whatever the reason for their action, it made the climbing less than pleasant.

And most mountains are cool.  It's just that some are more popular than others.
 
2014-03-05 10:16:56 AM  

sethen320: I don't climb mountains so maybe there's something I'm missing here. Is it a hipster-type thing where a mountain is only cool until everyone else thinks so?


No, it's mostly a safety thing. There's traffic jams along the way, leading to hasty, poor decisions about when to go for the summit and things like that.
 
2014-03-05 10:21:58 AM  

doglover: grokca: They are compost.

Not up there, they're not.


Yeah, this.  They're frozen meat.  George Mallory's body is still being photographed all mummified.
 
2014-03-05 10:23:27 AM  

Barfmaker: UberDave: Farking that. Attempting Grand Teton solo a few years ago told me all I need to know about popular climbs filled with guide groups.

Isn't that just a hike?



The approach is a beautiful hike.  But any map (gps or paper) ends the trail at the boulder field in Garnet Canyon.  If you're lugging 50lbs of gear solo and don't know the proper route through there, it's a biatch just getting through that boulder field.  Once you come out of the canyon, there are trails going everyone and its easy to get on the wrong one just making your way to the moraine.  The fixed ropes above the moraine are strenuous and slippery as hell.  And route between the lower and upper saddle is a trampled maze.  After the upper saddle there's some heavily exposed class 4 and on the way down there's a hanging rappel that can be done with a single 70m if you get to the right spot.
 
2014-03-05 10:24:36 AM  
it's a pity glacier works took down that gigapixel pic of everest base camp. it was a great way to show just how many freaking people are there in climbing season.
 
2014-03-05 10:24:41 AM  
it stinks.
 
2014-03-05 10:26:57 AM  
never mind.

found it.
 
2014-03-05 11:08:22 AM  

loaba: Jeet Kune D'oh: Old and busted:  Climbing Mount Everest

New hotness:  Climbing K2

Funny thing, but I've been watching a bunch of mountaineering documentaries on Netflix, and K2 (while not as tall) is considered to be the more technical of the two peaks. Quite frankly, I don't see the allure of going anywhere that features a place called the "death zone".

/ makes do with Sandia Crust (3000 meters)


FTFY
// rather they were still by the Crest road
 
2014-03-05 11:21:33 AM  

grokca: They are compost corpsesicles


ftfy
 
2014-03-05 11:23:02 AM  

orclover: Also hire them to arange all the frozen bodies into giant letters that spell out "Welcome to the Everest Experience" on the side of the mountain for the tourist flood.


pbfcomics.com
 
2014-03-05 11:26:55 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: Jeet Kune D'oh: Old and busted:  Climbing Mount Everest

New hotness:  Climbing K2

Old and busted: Dying on Mt. Everest

New hotness: Dying on K2

True Hipsterness: Dying on Annapurna


What are you talking about? Droves died on Annapurna before it was cool.
 
2014-03-05 11:29:42 AM  
Just finished The Abominable by Dan Simmons, great read for anyone with an interest in mountain climbing.
 
2014-03-05 11:42:38 AM  
Couldn't people hike the bags to a collection location or two and then a chopper picks them up. It'd cost a shiat load, but with what people are paying to go up that stupid mountain seems like it could be worked out.
 
2014-03-05 11:53:55 AM  
The problem is that once someone has spent time in the Death Zone, they usually lack the energy/will to get down safely, much less bring down 20lbs of trash with them.  Most of the deaths occur during descent, so expecting people to hike out their trash is hopeful at best.

There should be a $10K fee (or so) to fund Sherpa-only expeditions to clean up Base Camp and the higher camps.  They're fit, used to the altitude, and need the money.  I'm sure local craftsmen/metalworkers could makes some amazing things out of all those used O2 cylinders.

Now, getting them to clean up all the dookie and bodies would be next to impossible.  The dookie poses the greatest problem, as you're digging up snow to make water, and God only knows how many people have done their business everywhere around those camps, despite efforts to keep it all on one spot.

The guided climbs should foot most of the bill, since they're most of the problem.  If I were the Nepalese climbing authorities, I wouldn't issue permits to anyone who hasn't topped out on at least one significant peak:  McKinley, Acongcagua, etc.  Not only would that separate the risky hipster neophytes from the more serious climbers, it would help spread the climbing money around to other needy countries.
 
2014-03-05 11:54:16 AM  
I think your usual choppers have a hard time at that altitude.  That's why there aren't helicopter rescues for people on Everest.  If you're above 8000 meters, you're slowly dying.  Even people who are in fantastic shape and are experienced climbers are taxed near their limits.  So if you wind up in trouble - you're farked.  There's no ambulance, there's no medic, there probably won't even be somebody who'll throw your arm over their shoulder to help you down.  

If there's so little help available for people dying up there, I can't imagine anybody would go to that trouble just to haul out garbage.

/ Not a climber, just fascinated by high altitude climbing and the whole mentality of attempting something when the usual route is, literally, marked by the dead bodies of people who failed before you.
 
2014-03-05 11:56:08 AM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Couldn't people hike the bags to a collection location or two and then a chopper picks them up. It'd cost a shiat load, but with what people are paying to go up that stupid mountain seems like it could be worked out.


You're about 3km above the service ceiling of most high altitude helicopters where most of this garbage is. At 7500 meters you'd have a useful cargo capacity of 100 kg and a nearly empty fuel tank. It would be easier to do the winch method mentioned above.
 
2014-03-05 12:01:53 PM  

orclover: loaba: Jeet Kune D'oh: Old and busted:  Climbing Mount Everest

New hotness:  Climbing K2

Funny thing, but I've been watching a bunch of mountaineering documentaries on Netflix, and K2 (while not as tall) is considered to be the more technical of the two peaks. Quite frankly, I don't see the allure of going anywhere that features a place called the "death zone".

/ makes do with Sandia Crest (3000 meters)

Ehhh give it another 100 years of Global warming and we can just ride motorcycles up the things while wearing bathing suits.


You can drive up to Sandia Crest from the east side.

/can see it from my house
//fun way to scare the shiat out of visiting flatlanders
///Tram's a lot of fun but the restaurant sucks
 
2014-03-05 12:03:40 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Couldn't people hike the bags to a collection location or two and then a chopper picks them up. It'd cost a shiat load, but with what people are paying to go up that stupid mountain seems like it could be worked out.


Most choppers can barely make it to Base Camp (though a modified one did land on the summit), and then have a very limited payload - 2-3 passengers at most.  Sherpa-led yak teams make more sense, as they could haul out several hundred pounds at a time.

Selling old tanks, shreds of tents, bags, etc., as souvenirs could generate some money, but I'm sure Nepal would recycle almost all of the metal.

FYI:  The military helicopter pilots belong to a clan called Chhetri, with a sub-clan known as Khatri Chhetri, often abbreviated as "K.C."  You'll often see their names as something like "Col. Madan K.C." in nes reports (he's the pilot who played a central role in evacuating several injured climbers during the 1996 disaster).  It's considered proper manners to include the clan name in official addresses, such as Tenzing Norgay Sherpa.
 
2014-03-05 12:05:44 PM  
If you die who gets your deposit?
 
2014-03-05 12:16:25 PM  
Here's a screen grab of Green Boots.  He is commonly believed to be Indian climber Tsewang Paljor, who was wearing green Koflach boots on the day he and two others in his party summitted, although it is possible that the body may instead be that of his team member Dorje Morup.

Sherpas have suggested that it was the body of a Chinese mountaineer who had attempted the climb in 2000.  [Wiki]

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-05 12:17:22 PM  
ts3.mm.bing.net
About time
 
2014-03-05 02:26:19 PM  
Close off the mountain to climbers entirely. Screw their personal fitness goal, all it does is pollute the mountain and get people killed.
 
2014-03-05 02:31:21 PM  
Any group which fails to descend without eight kilograms of rubbish for each team member will not get their $4,000 (£2,397) deposit back.

I suspect most will just say "keep it".
 
2014-03-05 05:16:03 PM  
Great idea! I remember climbing Mount Sinai in 1996 and we carried trash bags along with us. Much of the  climb was littered with disposable lunch boxes from the buses of tourists who traveled there. I couldn't understand why people would trash this beautiful (and to some, holy) location. People are pigs, plain and simple.
 
2014-03-05 05:45:51 PM  
In the Boy Scouts, between bouts of Scout Master-led sexcapades, we managed to pack it in deep, err... I mean we packed out with we packed in.
 
2014-03-06 06:56:24 AM  

loaba: In the Boy Scouts, between bouts of Scout Master-led sexcapades, we managed to pack it in deep, err... I mean we packed out with we packed in.


There are very few statements about Boy Scouts that don't sound homoerotic.
 
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