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2014-03-05 09:23:50 AM
It looks like that's about 5 ½ to 6 ½ weeks in. Which could be right around the time of noticing the first missed period.

Frankly, the worst part of this bill is just more Alabamans.
 
2014-03-05 10:11:44 AM
They're looking for a

www.thesnipenews.com
 
2014-03-05 10:13:15 AM
So terrible abortions are banned, but peachy keen abortions are still legal. Right?
 
2014-03-05 10:29:13 AM

stpauler: Frankly, the worst part of this bill is just more Alabamans.


api.ning.com
 
2014-03-05 10:52:32 AM

stpauler: It looks like that's about 5 ½ to 6 ½ weeks in. Which could be right around the time of noticing the first missed period.

Frankly, the worst part of this bill is just more Alabamans.


Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be?  It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.  That makes any such ban questionable, no matter what arbitrary timeline you can come up with, how can you argue that one day in either direction makes any difference?

Since most (and I mean most as in practically all) late term abortions are for medical reasons, no one finds out they're pregnant and decides "I'll get an abortion in 5 months.", really any cutoff is inappropriate.
 
2014-03-05 11:03:31 AM
Much like the rights insane obsession with gay people these types of laws are eventually going to backfire. I just don't see the GOP getting back into the Whitehouse anytime soon if ever. Just one more Dem getting elected POTUS almost guarantees the SCOTUS will lean hard left. Sooner or later they will reaffirm Roe v. Wade.
 
2014-03-05 11:10:35 AM

nekom: Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be? It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.


Viability outside the womb is a good distinction.
 
2014-03-05 11:17:54 AM

lockers: nekom: Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be? It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.

Viability outside the womb is a good distinction.


With or without mechanical aid?

And do they have to be relatively healthy, or is some degree of deformity and mental impairment allowed?
 
2014-03-05 11:18:59 AM
lockers:
Viability outside the womb is a good distinction.

But it's not an exact science, and it varies depending on numerous factors.  Medical science is incredible, but I don't think a doctor can say "Ok the fetus isn't viable today, but it will be tomorrow."
 
2014-03-05 11:27:20 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So terrible abortions are banned, but peachy keen abortions are still legal. Right?


I was going to say this, but decided to oh the "every abortion is terrible" route.

/ except for cases of rape, incest, or risk to moms health
// also except for my abortion, of course
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-03-05 11:32:19 AM
Because if there is anything Alabama needs, it's more kids...

ilarge.listal.com
 
2014-03-05 11:33:14 AM
Off to the courts, and bouncy, bouncy. More taxpayer $$ wasted.
 
2014-03-05 11:33:31 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So terrible abortions are banned, but peachy keen abortions are still legal. Right?


But terrible abortions should still be an option if the doctor feels that it is a better option than the peachy keen one.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-03-05 11:33:40 AM

lockers: nekom: Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be? It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.

Viability outside the womb is a good distinction.


You know what a good distinction is?  Get out of her farking business, that's a good distinction.


///NO GOVMNT TELLIN' ME WUT TO DO.. but her, that's fine by me...
 
2014-03-05 11:35:38 AM
Alabama, trying to out Kansas Arizona.
 
2014-03-05 11:37:36 AM

lockers: nekom: Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be? It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.

Viability outside the womb is a good distinction.


I'm more of a fan of going the route of "recognizably human and consistent brain wave pattern".  After all, a large part of what makes us human is our sentience.  If there's no functioning brain, there's no person.
 
2014-03-05 11:38:46 AM

d23: lockers: nekom: Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be? It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.

Viability outside the womb is a good distinction.

You know what a good distinction is?  Get out of her farking business, that's a good distinction.


///NO GOVMNT TELLIN' ME WUT TO DO.. but her, that's fine by me...


You don't understand.  The evil Federal government is interfering with the good State government's right to interfere with an individual's bodily integrity.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-03-05 11:39:47 AM

Mercutio74: lockers: nekom: Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be? It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.

Viability outside the womb is a good distinction.

I'm more of a fan of going the route of "recognizably human and consistent brain wave pattern".  After all, a large part of what makes us human is our sentience.  If there's no functioning brain, there's no person.


For instance...

static.guim.co.uk
 
2014-03-05 11:40:27 AM
Is it time yet to split the country in half yet? We have to be getting close to that point.

It can be a peaceful transfer to two countries. People get the right to decide which country they get to live in and then we split the country based on the amount of land needed to house those people and also causes the least amount of displacement. The division is mostly going to occur on social policy since that is really what divides us anyway - if each country then held elections they could then focus on fiscal and global policy and keep social issues out of politics.

Or we just split North and South (obviously New Mexico would have to switch to more conservative and Idaho, Montana and the Dakotas would get more Liberal - but it's the price to pay for progress.
 
2014-03-05 11:40:35 AM

d23: lockers: nekom: Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be? It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.

Viability outside the womb is a good distinction.

You know what a good distinction is?  Get out of her farking business, that's a good distinction.


///NO GOVMNT TELLIN' ME WUT TO DO.. but her, that's fine by me...


This.

/small enough to fit inside my uterus
//it's uterUS not uterYOU
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-03-05 11:40:46 AM

Graffito: You don't understand. The evil Federal government is interfering with the good State government's right to interfere with an individual's bodily integrity.


You know, if someone from Alabama comes to me and says "I don't understand" usually my first reaction is "Well, so what is new." :P
 
2014-03-05 11:41:14 AM

nekom: lockers:
Viability outside the womb is a good distinction.

But it's not an exact science, and it varies depending on numerous factors.  Medical science is incredible, but I don't think a doctor can say "Ok the fetus isn't viable today, but it will be tomorrow."


I think 22-23 weeks is the current "mostly viable outside the womb in neonatal intensive care" limit. That doesn't mean there's not going to be a whole host of problems, but as long as there isn't some major underlying problem, it can be kept alive at that point.

Third Trimester starts at 28 weeks.

Fetal Heartbeat can be from 5 to 7 weeks. If they coupled that bill with allowing "morning after" pills to be sold at any gas station, then maybe? :) At least theyre admitting its just a clump of cells up until that point, which is a huuuuuuge step forward for them. Most of them would vote to outlaw Periods if they could get it on a bill.
 
2014-03-05 11:42:33 AM
Driving across South Georgia/North Florida (which really are indistinguishable from each other) yesterday, I noted the preponderance of abortion/Jesus billboards.  Are these billboards in rural areas because the rates are cheap, or is it because the people who pay for these billboards live in the area and want to see their handiwork?
 
2014-03-05 11:42:33 AM

nekom: stpauler: It looks like that's about 5 ½ to 6 ½ weeks in. Which could be right around the time of noticing the first missed period.

Frankly, the worst part of this bill is just more Alabamans.

Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be?  It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.  That makes any such ban questionable, no matter what arbitrary timeline you can come up with, how can you argue that one day in either direction makes any difference?

Since most (and I mean most as in practically all) late term abortions are for medical reasons, no one finds out they're pregnant and decides "I'll get an abortion in 5 months.", really any cutoff is inappropriate.


Where to draw the line is a debatable point.

However, I think we can all agree that putting the deadline at a point before which a fair percentage of women might not even know they need one is, at best, a disingenuous attempt at a blanket ban of all abortions.  It's equatable to saying men cannot get a prescription for Viagra after age 16.
 
2014-03-05 11:42:41 AM
I do not understand the derision. Frequently, the Republican party is criticized for not addressing the problem of a poor job market, yet the proposed bill under discussion would create new jobs for obstetricians, child care workers and manufacturers and sellers of clothing for children.
 
2014-03-05 11:43:02 AM

nekom: stpauler: It looks like that's about 5 ½ to 6 ½ weeks in. Which could be right around the time of noticing the first missed period.

Frankly, the worst part of this bill is just more Alabamans.

Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be?  It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.  That makes any such ban questionable, no matter what arbitrary timeline you can come up with, how can you argue that one day in either direction makes any difference?

Since most (and I mean most as in practically all) late term abortions are for medical reasons, no one finds out they're pregnant and decides "I'll get an abortion in 5 months.", really any cutoff is inappropriate.


Well there is an argument for odds of survival outside the womb.

I think aborting 1 minute prior to birth seems like infanticide.

Then there is the definition of a life being based on brain activity.
 
2014-03-05 11:43:10 AM
There goes the second poorest state in the Union again, wasting money on lawyers' fees on stupid laws.

/Thank God for Mississippi!
 
2014-03-05 11:44:20 AM

Rapmaster2000: Driving across South Georgia/North Florida (which really are indistinguishable from each other) yesterday, I noted the preponderance of abortion/Jesus billboards.  Are these billboards in rural areas because the rates are cheap, or is it because the people who pay for these billboards live in the area and want to see their handiwork?


Both.
 
2014-03-05 11:44:29 AM
At least there's one "doctor" who won't check for a heartbeat before performing an abortion.

img.fark.net

/because banning things always means no one will ever do that thing again.
//Back alleys are so much cleaner than a medical facility anyways.
 
2014-03-05 11:47:27 AM

AirForceVet: Thank God for Mississippi!


This.
 
2014-03-05 11:50:09 AM
The women of the south seem to suffer from a societal level Stockholm syndrome.
 
2014-03-05 11:51:13 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So terrible abortions are banned, but peachy keen abortions are still legal. Right?


"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"
 
2014-03-05 11:51:48 AM

FirstNationalBastard: So terrible abortions are banned, but peachy keen abortions are still legal. Right?


Right
 
2014-03-05 11:53:20 AM

Witty_Retort: FirstNationalBastard: So terrible abortions are banned, but peachy keen abortions are still legal. Right?

"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"


meat0918: FirstNationalBastard: So terrible abortions are banned, but peachy keen abortions are still legal. Right?

Right


... did you guys plan this, or what?
 
2014-03-05 11:53:39 AM

Rapmaster2000: Driving across South Georgia/North Florida (which really are indistinguishable from each other) yesterday, I noted the preponderance of abortion/Jesus billboards.  Are these billboards in rural areas because the rates are cheap, or is it because the people who pay for these billboards live in the area and want to see their handiwork?


To be fair, last summer I drove across upstate NY and I saw the same thing.
 
2014-03-05 11:55:55 AM

nekom: stpauler: It looks like that's about 5 ½ to 6 ½ weeks in. Which could be right around the time of noticing the first missed period.

Frankly, the worst part of this bill is just more Alabamans.

Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be?  It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.  That makes any such ban questionable, no matter what arbitrary timeline you can come up with, how can you argue that one day in either direction makes any difference?

Since most (and I mean most as in practically all) late term abortions are for medical reasons, no one finds out they're pregnant and decides "I'll get an abortion in 5 months.", really any cutoff is inappropriate.


Sustained brain wave activity occurs at around 24 weeks. Some studies suggest it starts as early as 22 weeks. If you want to give a 2 week buffer you could limit abortions to 20 weeks after conception. Currently we use fetal viability outside the womb as the standard, which is roughly 22-24 weeks.

I'd contend that 22 weeks seems a reasonable time period. I'd grant down to 20 weeks if we truly want to be ultra conservative. Abortion restrictions before 20 weeks become really non-sensical to me.
 
2014-03-05 11:56:26 AM
Oh Alabama.
Can I see you
and shake your hand.
Make friends down in Alabama.
I'm from a new land
I come to you
and see all this ruin
What are you doing Alabama?
You got the rest of the union
to help you along
What's going wrong?
 
2014-03-05 11:56:48 AM

FirstNationalBastard: lockers: nekom: Seriously, is there anywhere that an appropriate ban should be? It seems to me that the only definitive lines possible are conception and birth.

Viability outside the womb is a good distinction.

With or without mechanical aid?

And do they have to be relatively healthy, or is some degree of deformity and mental impairment allowed?


Well, this is Alabama.
 
2014-03-05 11:59:05 AM
Can we please dissolve the states now? The get to live in Jesus land and we'll get to keep our tax revenue.
 
2014-03-05 12:03:38 PM

stpauler: It looks like that's about 5 ½ to 6 ½ weeks in. Which could be right around the time of noticing the first missed period.

Frankly, the worst part of this bill is just more Alabamans.


Luckily, Alabamans keep a close watch on the Crimson Tide.
 
2014-03-05 12:06:29 PM

Sirsky: Witty_Retort: FirstNationalBastard: So terrible abortions are banned, but peachy keen abortions are still legal. Right?

"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"

meat0918: FirstNationalBastard: So terrible abortions are banned, but peachy keen abortions are still legal. Right?

Right

... did you guys plan this, or what?


Nope.

Kinda creepy.
 
2014-03-05 12:08:21 PM

Mister Buttons: At least there's one "doctor" who won't check for a heartbeat before performing an abortion.

[img.fark.net image 285x177]

/because banning things always means no one will ever do that thing again.
//Back alleys are so much cleaner than a medical facility anyways.


If your purpose is to punish women for having sex, then that isn't a bug, it is a feature.
 
2014-03-05 12:09:12 PM
They must think God is pretty dumb. The guy's not going to care that they're still killing babies without heartbeats? The Alabama legislature is pro baby-killing, just not as much as they used to be. Shame on them, those murderers.
 
2014-03-05 12:10:38 PM
Fark state's rights.  I understood that meant something following the colony days but ever since when state's rights are mentioned it is usually to justify shoving some personal belief on a citizen.


Also, I'm for no abortion bans no matter how late.
 
2014-03-05 12:11:31 PM

Paris1127: stpauler: It looks like that's about 5 ½ to 6 ½ weeks in. Which could be right around the time of noticing the first missed period.

Frankly, the worst part of this bill is just more Alabamans.

Luckily, Alabamans keep a close watch on the Crimson Tide.



Beautiful.
 
2014-03-05 12:12:44 PM

meat0918: Sirsky: Witty_Retort: FirstNationalBastard: So terrible abortions are banned, but peachy keen abortions are still legal. Right?

"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"

meat0918: FirstNationalBastard: So terrible abortions are banned, but peachy keen abortions are still legal. Right?

Right

... did you guys plan this, or what?

Nope.

Kinda creepy.


I found that article a few years ago. I try to post it if I'm early in an abortion thread.

The woman who was president of the local college's Right to Life club coming in was for much giggles. She didn't want 'this' (either the baby or the abortion, not sure which) to interfere with her chairmanship.

Just sad the mental Olympics these women put themselves through.
 
2014-03-05 12:14:03 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: They must think God is pretty dumb. The guy's not going to care that they're still killing babies without heartbeats? The Alabama legislature is pro baby-killing, just not as much as they used to be. Shame on them, those murderers.



What the Bible says about Abortion
 
2014-03-05 12:15:07 PM

Smackledorfer: Well there is an argument for odds of survival outside the womb.

I think aborting 1 minute prior to birth seems like infanticide.


Would people seriously make a law based on something that's never going to happen?
 
2014-03-05 12:16:08 PM

Witty_Retort: Just sad the mental Olympics these women put themselves through.


Well, it's what happens when naive ideology collides with reality.  Reality almost always wins.
 
2014-03-05 12:25:23 PM
I sometimes want to run a fun experiment: I put some republicans in a Matrix like computer program where abortions are completely illegal, there are no gays, there are no Muslims, going to the Church is mandatory, there are no blacks, no welfare system and no tax on anyone.

Then I just watch. I watch to see what they derp about. What do they do all day long. What do they talk about.

I think it will be fascinating.
 
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