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(Uproxx)   Someone took on the unenviable task of ranking all the pre "Stick of Truth" South Park video games by suckiness   (uproxx.com) divider line 62
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2014-03-05 08:44:46 AM  
Stick Of Truth I'd a blast it is just a crying shame it is so short. 12-15 hrs for an RPG is nothing
 
2014-03-05 08:51:40 AM  

styckx: Stick Of Truth I'd a blast it is just a crying shame it is so short. 12-15 hrs for an RPG is nothing


How is it in general? I've said repeatedly I was avoiding it because it was caught in limbo for so long, and because I've just been horsefarked with new games in the past year or two. For every great AAA game it seems like two utter shiat AAA games get squeezed out.

And Steam now has more 'early access! Beta! Pay for a game that will never come out!' games than actual released games.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Stick. It's sitting pretty well in metacritic. Just tired of getting interested in a game only to have it be complete shiat and/or beta of a beta of a pre-alpha build.
 
2014-03-05 08:55:28 AM  
I've enjoyed it so far. Nothing terribly complex, and a few laugh out loud moments.
 
2014-03-05 08:58:49 AM  

kroonermanblack: styckx: Stick Of Truth I'd a blast it is just a crying shame it is so short. 12-15 hrs for an RPG is nothing

How is it in general? I've said repeatedly I was avoiding it because it was caught in limbo for so long, and because I've just been horsefarked with new games in the past year or two. For every great AAA game it seems like two utter shiat AAA games get squeezed out.

And Steam now has more 'early access! Beta! Pay for a game that will never come out!' games than actual released games.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Stick. It's sitting pretty well in metacritic. Just tired of getting interested in a game only to have it be complete shiat and/or beta of a beta of a pre-alpha build.


I watched some of it on twitch.  It's basically perfect as far as the general look and feel, and the comedy we expect of a south park ip.  It's packed full of franchise cameos, callback, etc.  Looks like all the voices are accurate as well.

Gameplay, it has a turned based battle system along with a very adventure game style overworld.  I'm not sure if it is worth $60, but i'll damn well pick it up once it starts going on sale.
 
2014-03-05 09:00:13 AM  

kroonermanblack: styckx: Stick Of Truth I'd a blast it is just a crying shame it is so short. 12-15 hrs for an RPG is nothing

How is it in general? I've said repeatedly I was avoiding it because it was caught in limbo for so long, and because I've just been horsefarked with new games in the past year or two. For every great AAA game it seems like two utter shiat AAA games get squeezed out.

And Steam now has more 'early access! Beta! Pay for a game that will never come out!' games than actual released games.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Stick. It's sitting pretty well in metacritic. Just tired of getting interested in a game only to have it be complete shiat and/or beta of a beta of a pre-alpha build.


The game itself is very fun and highly entertaining.. No major bugs etc..  Again though.. 12-15hr completion time.  And that's side quests and everything.   It's just too short to call it a legit RPG.. It's a 12-15hr episode of South Park with RPG elements..  I mean the level cap is only 15.. That should tell you right there.

Worth $60 though I guess.. I'm not disappointed in  anything but the short play time.
 
2014-03-05 09:05:27 AM  

styckx: It's just too short to call it a legit RPG


is this a thing now
 
2014-03-05 09:06:42 AM  
I'm playing it now, and it's hysterically funny. Hits all the right RPG/gaming/fantasy tropes. It may be short, but there's a ton of sidequests, and I'm hoping the reply value with other classes may add some extra dimension. Fingers crossed, there may also be future DLC with more gameplay.
 
2014-03-05 09:07:12 AM  
Ah, Chef's Luv Shack. That was the only South Park game I personally deemed worthy of adding to my bad game collection. It's not the worst game in there but it definitely earned its place. The others were awful, but too bland and uninspired to be interestingly terrible.
 
2014-03-05 09:11:31 AM  
I am almost tempted to get it after watching the opening cutscene. I know South Park has shown how talented they can be with their art in episodes like Good Times With Weapons but that was something else. Pure Bakshi LOTR cheese, down to how terribly off all the rotoscoping looked in that movie.
 
2014-03-05 09:34:34 AM  
"The entire game consisted of you wandering around a stark, foggy wasteland throwing snowballs at turkeys"

It's been a while but I recall there being more to it than that.
 
2014-03-05 09:41:07 AM  
Motherfarking Amazon had a motherfarking issue with shipping my motherfarking pre-order to my motherfarking house yesterday. I was planning on calling into work today, but NOOOO. Now I have to do motherfarking reports.
 
2014-03-05 09:41:35 AM  

sprawl15: styckx: It's just too short to call it a legit RPG

is this a thing now


I've know a person who declared that nothing made by Squaresoft/Enix was an RPG because they lacked the character system and decision trees which were deemed necessary. Course this person also declared Skyrinm is a LARP, so they may not exist in a reality that most people would recognize. In short, nerds are elitist and have very strange definitions to make reality fit their worldview.
 
2014-03-05 10:00:45 AM  
styckx:
 No major bugs etc..

Not true. There's a pretty big game breaking glitch in the tutorial.

If you do the fighting tutorial in the wrong order the animations will get caught in an infinite loop and you will have to reload the game to continue.

Also I have heard there are others and some people reported slow downs/stuttering on consoles.

I only encountered the animation loop bug so far though and I have it on PC so I can't verify the console issues.
 
2014-03-05 10:05:16 AM  

ReapTheChaos: "The entire game consisted of you wandering around a stark, foggy wasteland throwing snowballs at turkeys"

It's been a while but I recall there being more to it than that.


If I recall correctly, it graduated from turkeys to hackneyed justifications for reusing models evil clones.  The environments never stopped being so weirdly sparse.  At least, that's what I remember from watching a friend play it.  I also seem to recall the weapons were at least amusing, along with the plot.

Unfortunately the game had the misfortune of coming out soon after Goldeneye did, which made South Park's somewhat rudimentary shooter gameplay look even worse.  Even if you wanted a shooter with more humor there was the N64 port of Duke Nukem available at roughly the same time.  South Park wasn't the worst game, but in that environment it just could not compete.

sprawl15: styckx: It's just too short to call it a legit RPG

is this a thing now


RPGs have always tended to run long on the gameplay time, to the point where it's almost a component of the genre.  That, and RPGs which didn't have the standard 30+ hour playtime have usually wound up being crap.

Really though, the real concern about the short gameplay time, at least for me, is that it doesn't sound like its worth $60 of your money. The thing about RPGs is that they're usually a once-or-twice-through-then-done sort of deal: long gameplay, but minimal short term replay value.  That said, Stick of Truth's 15-if-you-stretch-it playtime might be perfectly fine if the replay value is high.  Binding of Isaac is two hours a playthrough tops, but I've logged an absolutely obscene amount of hours on that game.
 
2014-03-05 10:10:48 AM  
It's not a stick, it's a chair leg.

=Smidge=
 
2014-03-05 10:12:20 AM  

yukichigai: RPGs have always tended to run long on the gameplay time, to the point where it's almost a component of the genre. That, and RPGs which didn't have the standard 30+ hour playtime have usually wound up being crap.


"RPGs" which did have more than the standard 30+ hour playtime have usually wound up being crap. that's largely because shiatty jrpgs somehow coopted both the breadth and depth of what can constitute an rpg, and their audience are autists who need as much time as possible to grind levels/gear or house decorate or breed mounts or date npcs
 
2014-03-05 10:22:20 AM  

sprawl15: yukichigai: RPGs have always tended to run long on the gameplay time, to the point where it's almost a component of the genre. That, and RPGs which didn't have the standard 30+ hour playtime have usually wound up being crap.

"RPGs" which did have more than the standard 30+ hour playtime have usually wound up being crap. that's largely because shiatty jrpgs somehow coopted both the breadth and depth of what can constitute an rpg, and their audience are autists who need as much time as possible to grind levels/gear or house decorate or breed mounts or date npcs


The entire Ultima, Might and Magic, Fallout/Wasteland, and Elder Scrolls series would like to discuss this whole "30+ hour playtimes are only for grinding" misconception you seem to have been afflicted with.
 
2014-03-05 10:36:26 AM  

yukichigai: The entire Ultima, Might and Magic, Fallout/Wasteland, and Elder Scrolls series would like to discuss this whole "30+ hour playtimes are only for grinding" misconception you seem to have been afflicted with.


man there's so many interesting things wrong with this response that i don't know which one to pick. i feel like olmec

i COULD go with the 'you described a bunch of rpgs which haven't been good in at least a decade' (though the new M&M is ok), or i COULD point out that the very games you listed are exactly the kind of things i was talking about being coopted. or i COULD point out that the elder scrolls series doesn't belong in that list considering the best game in the series was daggerfall. or i COULD go a different route and point out that even the idea of saying 'here are some exceptions to the general rule' doesn't in any way justify the argument that rpgs with a short game time are somehow automatically shiattier than rpgs with a long game time or that 30 hours is some kind of not shiat breakpoint

instead i'll just kind of giggle
 
2014-03-05 10:58:10 AM  

styckx: kroonermanblack: styckx: Stick Of Truth I'd a blast it is just a crying shame it is so short. 12-15 hrs for an RPG is nothing

How is it in general? I've said repeatedly I was avoiding it because it was caught in limbo for so long, and because I've just been horsefarked with new games in the past year or two. For every great AAA game it seems like two utter shiat AAA games get squeezed out.

And Steam now has more 'early access! Beta! Pay for a game that will never come out!' games than actual released games.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Stick. It's sitting pretty well in metacritic. Just tired of getting interested in a game only to have it be complete shiat and/or beta of a beta of a pre-alpha build.

The game itself is very fun and highly entertaining.. No major bugs etc..  Again though.. 12-15hr completion time.  And that's side quests and everything.   It's just too short to call it a legit RPG.. It's a 12-15hr episode of South Park with RPG elements..  I mean the level cap is only 15.. That should tell you right there.

Worth $60 though I guess.. I'm not disappointed in  anything but the short play time.


Yes...I paid $40 because I ordered it a few years ago on amazon

/where is my package tho....
 
2014-03-05 10:58:55 AM  

styckx: kroonermanblack: styckx: Stick Of Truth I'd a blast it is just a crying shame it is so short. 12-15 hrs for an RPG is nothing

How is it in general? I've said repeatedly I was avoiding it because it was caught in limbo for so long, and because I've just been horsefarked with new games in the past year or two. For every great AAA game it seems like two utter shiat AAA games get squeezed out.

And Steam now has more 'early access! Beta! Pay for a game that will never come out!' games than actual released games.

I'm cautiously optimistic about Stick. It's sitting pretty well in metacritic. Just tired of getting interested in a game only to have it be complete shiat and/or beta of a beta of a pre-alpha build.

The game itself is very fun and highly entertaining.. No major bugs etc..  Again though.. 12-15hr completion time.  And that's side quests and everything.   It's just too short to call it a legit RPG.. It's a 12-15hr episode of South Park with RPG elements..  I mean the level cap is only 15.. That should tell you right there.

Worth $60 though I guess.. I'm not disappointed in  anything but the short play time.


I understand you may not agreed but 15 hours sounds like a pretty fair deal for me.
 
2014-03-05 10:58:55 AM  

sprawl15: man there's so many interesting things wrong with this response that i don't know which one to pick. i feel like olmec

i COULD go with the 'you described a bunch of rpgs which haven't been good in at least a decade


Stopped reading there.

I just listed four of the best selling Western RPG series of all time.  You just declared they were all crap.  You're like the Armond White of video games at this point.
 
2014-03-05 11:17:04 AM  

yukichigai: I just listed four of the best selling Western RPG series of all time. You just declared they were all crap.


are you retarded or do you just not know what "in at least a decade" means

i mean considering you listed five series and are now calling it four it's pretty much a tossup
 
2014-03-05 11:22:25 AM  
Artist's rendering of the exchange between sprawl15 and yukichigai from an outside perspective:
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2014-03-05 11:28:38 AM  

MagicBoris: Artist's rendering of the exchange between sprawl15 and yukichigai from an outside perspective:
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alternatively:

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-05 11:37:24 AM  

MagicBoris: Artist's rendering of the exchange between sprawl15 and yukichigai from an outside perspective:
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I prefer:

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2014-03-05 12:12:16 PM  
I just got a free redbox game rental txt and going to pick it up and give it a shot.  If it's beatable in 12 hours then I should be able to get it all done on just the free day.
 
2014-03-05 12:16:56 PM  
juses christ you guys, either bang or kill each other and get it over with. the sexual tension is brutal.
 
2014-03-05 12:18:39 PM  

untaken_name: juses christ you guys, either bang or kill each other and get it over with. the sexual tension is brutal.


i'm just waiting to hear what ultima game came out in the last decade
 
2014-03-05 12:39:28 PM  

sprawl15: i COULD go with the 'you described a bunch of rpgs which haven't been good in at least a decade'


yukichigai: The entire Ultima, Might and Magic, Fallout/Wasteland, and Elder Scrolls


Um..... The Bethesda games are awesome new-age adaptations.
 
2014-03-05 12:41:55 PM  

justtray: Um..... The Bethesda games are awesome new-age adaptations.


fallout 3 was an abortion and new vegas only looked good in comparison. one dlc for a game being good does not a good game make.

the last good elder scrolls game was morrowind, and even that's debatable considering how utterly farked the skill system was. daggerfall is a pretty underappreciated juggernaut, but 1996 was nearly 20 years ago
 
2014-03-05 12:49:49 PM  

sprawl15: fallout 3 was an abortion


forums.oce.leagueoflegends.com

The setting alone made it a fantastic game. You shut your whore mouth. The plot was weaker than NV, but your trolling with that statement.
 
2014-03-05 12:51:12 PM  
RPG elitists are always the worst.
 
2014-03-05 01:09:19 PM  

scottydoesntknow: The setting alone made it a fantastic game.


no, seriously

the capital itself being full of those weird disconnected areas/invisible walls/constant loading screens ruined the most notable areas of it, and the constant insistence on a ruined greygrime palette was incredibly off putting. the snark was all weirdly off base, they drove home the 50's thing waaaaaay too hard for what came before it, the super mutants' very existence was a bizarre and unnecessary retcon to get more bigbads filling the wasteland, and the rest of the game went far more for one-off gags than really building an interesting world.

the game system itself was pretty terrible as well, significantly less balanced than the turn based games (adding agility and perception to the heap of useless attributes made me frowny). the entire world's autoscaling also took away a lot of the sense of danger from, say, wandering west immediately in fallout 1. nothing in fo3 approached the nervousness and subsequent rush of, say, preparing for and clearing the glow without melting

i mean i'll admit i first didn't like it because it was Different, but even approaching it on its own terms i couldn't find much to like about it. oblivion's taint lingers on
 
2014-03-05 01:17:24 PM  

yukichigai: sprawl15: man there's so many interesting things wrong with this response that i don't know which one to pick. i feel like olmec

i COULD go with the 'you described a bunch of rpgs which haven't been good in at least a decade

Stopped reading there.

I just listed four of the best selling Western RPG series of all time.  You just declared they were all crap.  You're like the Armond White of video games at this point.


Popular does not mean good.
I got allot of play out of FO3 and NV, and found them to be fun games, but they both felt lacking in the "role playing" part. FO2 is my favourite of the serries, and has been for quite a while. A large world to explore and loot is nice, but if the vast most of it is not connected to the main story line, or any side quest then exploration to easily becomes little more then grinding the resources ($, items and/or EXP)  to progress the rest of the game.
 
2014-03-05 01:51:47 PM  
Stick of Truth is pretty good for what it is; a Southpark show turned video game. It's well designed and you really feel like you're in the show.

The RPG aspects are very limited, on par with the oldest console RPGs. Not really acceptable by today's standards, so just know that you're playing this game for the casual experience, the story, and the dialog, all of which are well done.
 
2014-03-05 01:54:35 PM  

sprawl15: untaken_name: juses christ you guys, either bang or kill each other and get it over with. the sexual tension is brutal.

i'm just waiting to hear what ultima game came out in the last decade


Okay, I thought we were done with this.  I'd had a chuckle at MagicBoris' image and figured that was enough internet for today. Apparently though you decided you wanted to continue the argument by bringing up quite possibly the weakest attempt at a counterpoint one could manage for this.

So you only technically called three out of the four of those massively successful series utter crap, but only because you didn't say anything at all about the fourth.  That's not really making you look any more reasonable.

scottydoesntknow: sprawl15: fallout 3 was an abortion

[forums.oce.leagueoflegends.com image 431x322]

The setting alone made it a fantastic game. You shut your whore mouth. The plot was weaker than NV, but your trolling with that statement.


I seriously have him farkied as "The Armond White of video games".  At first it was just a line, but now I really do believe it was an accurate assessment.

sjmcc13: Popular does not mean good.


If it was one game he was taking issue with, sure.  Two games, even three games, yeah I could buy it.  He seriously said that every game in any of those series put out in the last 10 years was bad.  I don't even have to get into the merits of each individual game to debunk that statement: the statistical chance that even half of those popular games, almost all which managed to meet or exceed sales expectations and received good reviews, were somehow not good games is zero.
 
2014-03-05 02:08:23 PM  

yukichigai: So you only technically called three out of the four of those massively successful series utter crap


no, i said they "haven't been good in at least a decade". there have been zero ultima games, zero wasteland games, and one might and magic game released in the last decade (which i said was ok). the only fallout games in the last decade were fallout 3 and new vegas, and the only elder scrolls games in the last decade were oblivion and skyrim. so i said a total of four games were bad and you shiat your pants in utter terror at the gall to suggest such a thing
 
2014-03-05 02:22:51 PM  

yukichigai: sjmcc13: Popular does not mean good.

If it was one game he was taking issue with, sure.  Two games, even three games, yeah I could buy it.  He seriously said that every game in any of those series put out in the last 10 years was bad.  I don't even have to get into the merits of each individual game to debunk that statement: the statistical chance that even half of those popular games, almost all which managed to meet or exceed sales expectations and received good reviews, were somehow not good games is zero.


No, he said that they were not good,you are the one assuming that that make them bad. the majority of games are neither good nor bad but mediocre. The vast majority of popular games are not actually good games, but mediocre (or even bad) games that have spent ALLOT of money on graphics and marketing. The popular games are almost always the ones that are the best marketed, and allot are nothing but good graphics, which is not enough to make a good game, but are enough for the masses to buy allot of copies of the game.
 
2014-03-05 02:23:50 PM  
I played Stick of Truth for a few hours last night and I like what I've seen so far. I liked Cartman's quip when explaining the turn-based combat system: "Yeah it sucks. But that's what we're going with."

And I haven't played old school Japanese combat since Final Fantasy III on my DS, so it's a lot of fun. And I don't mind it being 15 hours, whenever I read times like that I am sure it'll take me twice as long, because I have a short attention span and always have a few screens around me doing different things that catch my attention. And I'll never beat Skyrim.
 
2014-03-05 02:45:21 PM  

sjmcc13: yukichigai: sjmcc13: Popular does not mean good.

If it was one game he was taking issue with, sure.  Two games, even three games, yeah I could buy it.  He seriously said that every game in any of those series put out in the last 10 years was bad.  I don't even have to get into the merits of each individual game to debunk that statement: the statistical chance that even half of those popular games, almost all which managed to meet or exceed sales expectations and received good reviews, were somehow not good games is zero.

No, he said that they were not good,you are the one assuming that that make them bad. the majority of games are neither good nor bad but mediocre. The vast majority of popular games are not actually good games, but mediocre (or even bad) games that have spent ALLOT of money on graphics and marketing. The popular games are almost always the ones that are the best marketed, and allot are nothing but good graphics, which is not enough to make a good game, but are enough for the masses to buy allot of copies of the game.


So your argument boils down to: popular means bad but with good marketing because no one EVER based gameplay choice on game quality. Only on marketing.

How well were FTL and Binding of Isaac marketed again?

/I loathe rogue like games so I personally hated them
 
2014-03-05 02:59:37 PM  

sjmcc13: yukichigai: sjmcc13: Popular does not mean good.

If it was one game he was taking issue with, sure.  Two games, even three games, yeah I could buy it.  He seriously said that every game in any of those series put out in the last 10 years was bad.  I don't even have to get into the merits of each individual game to debunk that statement: the statistical chance that even half of those popular games, almost all which managed to meet or exceed sales expectations and received good reviews, were somehow not good games is zero.

No, he said that they were not good,you are the one assuming that that make them bad. the majority of games are neither good nor bad but mediocre. The vast majority of popular games are not actually good games, but mediocre (or even bad) games that have spent ALLOT of money on graphics and marketing. The popular games are almost always the ones that are the best marketed, and allot are nothing but good graphics, which is not enough to make a good game, but are enough for the masses to buy allot of copies of the game.


Alright, first, "saying not good isn't the same as saying bad" is a really weak cop-out.  That's like pissing the bed and saying it's not the same as shiatting it. You may be technically correct, but there's still human waste where I was going to sleep.  Functionally the difference doesn't matter.

As for the "popular games are only popular because of advertising and dumb people" theory, that only holds true to a certain extent, and even then you will usually find negative reviews on sites known for being less easily swayed by big bags of money.  You can't really say that about any of the games in question, certainly not any of the Bethesda titles except maybe Fallout: New Vegas.  Even then, you sure as hell don't win 7 "RPG of the year" awards like Oblivion did, or 9 "game of the year" awards like Skyrim, or 13 "game of the year" awards like Fallout 3.

In short, you are defending the ravings of a contrarian gamer who demonstrably cannot discern the difference between "games I do not enjoy" and "games which are not good".  Not every opinion should be respected.
 
2014-03-05 03:08:20 PM  

yukichigai: You can't really say that about any of the games in question, certainly not any of the Bethesda titles except maybe Fallout: New Vegas. Even then, you sure as hell don't win 7 "RPG of the year" awards like Oblivion did, or 9 "game of the year" awards like Skyrim, or 13 "game of the year" awards like Fallout 3.


i can, and i did. if you want to actually debate the systems behind the games, i'm perfectly willing to talk and point out the problems with them.

just boohooing because someone said they didn't really like four specific games despite the number of awards they won is just pitiful though
 
2014-03-05 03:41:36 PM  

sprawl15: yukichigai: You can't really say that about any of the games in question, certainly not any of the Bethesda titles except maybe Fallout: New Vegas. Even then, you sure as hell don't win 7 "RPG of the year" awards like Oblivion did, or 9 "game of the year" awards like Skyrim, or 13 "game of the year" awards like Fallout 3.

i can, and i did. if you want to actually debate the systems behind the games, i'm perfectly willing to talk and point out the problems with them.

just boohooing because someone said they didn't really like four specific games despite the number of awards they won is just pitiful though


Just stop digging. You aren't going to be right on the internet today. His argument has substance, your argument is just pedantic tantrum tossing. Stop being a dick contrarian just for the sake of it. Accept that things you don't like can still be good.
 
2014-03-05 04:03:31 PM  

sprawl15: yukichigai: You can't really say that about any of the games in question, certainly not any of the Bethesda titles except maybe Fallout: New Vegas. Even then, you sure as hell don't win 7 "RPG of the year" awards like Oblivion did, or 9 "game of the year" awards like Skyrim, or 13 "game of the year" awards like Fallout 3.

i can, and i did. if you want to actually debate the systems behind the games, i'm perfectly willing to talk and point out the problems with them.

just boohooing because someone said they didn't really like four specific games despite the number of awards they won is just pitiful though


And with that last sentence you precisely illustrated my point about how you cannot tell the difference between a game you don't like and a game which is objectively bad.
 
2014-03-05 04:10:59 PM  

yukichigai: you cannot tell the difference a game you don't like and a game which is objectively bad.


there's plenty of games i don't like that i have no problem saying are good. the entire genres of fighting games and real time strategy games, for example, are genres i have no business touching, but i have no problem saying and even supporting the idea that starcraft: brood war is a fantastically crafted game. i wouldn't even bother taking the effort to pirate bayonetta, but i recognize it as a juggernaut in its genre.

that's because my analysis of games comes from the systems that make them up, and not from how fun they are. there's even games i love that i'd say are objectively bad; i just love them for dumb reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of the design.

my issues with those games are systemic. it just seems you're unable to talk about the actual design choices that went into the game and instead fall back on 'but awards'. i mean if that's as far as you're able to think about a game, that's fine, just tap out. there's no shame in admitting it. but if you want to talk about, say, skyrim's difficulty scaling or oblivion's stats system, you'll have to actually put pixels down on post
 
2014-03-05 05:08:08 PM  

sprawl15: that's because my analysis of games comes from the systems that make them up, and not from how fun they are.


And again, stopped reading there.

The entire point of a game is to be fun.  If you're evaluating games using any basis other than that as the primary metric then you are completely missing the point.

Christ, you really ARE the Armond White of video games.
 
2014-03-05 05:17:45 PM  

yukichigai: The entire point of a game is to be fun


the entire point of playing a game is to have fun. the point of considering how objectively good a game is has little to do with fun. by conflating the concepts of fun and craftsmanship you're saying any game you do not personally find fun is objectively bad because you, personally, did not like it for arbitrary reasons.

obama'd have to crack open the national smug reserve if that was how anyone with half a clue decided to evaluate anything
 
2014-03-05 05:22:40 PM  

sprawl15: . the point of considering how objectively good a game is has little to do with fun.


Bullshiat.

Begins and ends with fun.
 
2014-03-05 05:23:14 PM  

sprawl15: the entire point of playing a game is to have fun. the point of considering how objectively good a game is has little to do with fun.


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2014-03-05 05:26:42 PM  

Confabulat: Begins and ends with fun.


i don't find bayonetta fun

therefore bayonetta is objectively a bad game.

that it is an exceptional game in its class is irrelevant because i, personally, do not like the genre.

6/10
 
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