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(Talking Points Memo)   Liberal hero Alan Grayson hasn't learned that domestic assault isn't feminist   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 85
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2014-03-05 07:40:34 AM  
Florida: Where even the liberal elite are Grade A Douchebags.
 
2014-03-05 08:41:42 AM  
No one has ever made a false allegation of domestic abuse in order to gain an advantage in the middle of a messy divorce.

Ever.
 
2014-03-05 08:44:37 AM  
It's a he said/she said with no clear indication which story is actually correct.

If he was abusing his wife he deserves to be raked over the coals for it. However, this wouldn't be the first time that a divorce turned ugly and one party started making up stories or misrepresenting events to help improve their own position in regards to child custody.
 
2014-03-05 08:44:39 AM  

gilgigamesh: No one has ever made a false allegation of domestic abuse in order to gain an advantage in the middle of a messy divorce.

Ever.


Obviously she's lying. It's what she gets for trying to divorce him, right?
 
2014-03-05 08:50:54 AM  

WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: No one has ever made a false allegation of domestic abuse in order to gain an advantage in the middle of a messy divorce.

Ever.

Obviously she's lying. It's what she gets for trying to divorce him, right?


I didn't say that. I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

These things are filed all the time in divorces. Sometimes it is even because the person filing it needs protection from abuse. Not all the time. Perhaps not even most of the time, given the fact that almost all of them wind up as mutual stay away orders.
 
2014-03-05 08:54:39 AM  
 Lolita Grayson

And here we were thinking Mark Foley was the only Florida politician whose tastes ran young.
 
2014-03-05 08:56:08 AM  
I was over Grayson before it was cool he started beating his wife.
 
2014-03-05 08:57:06 AM  

gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.


By inferring that his wife is lying about it?
 
2014-03-05 09:00:08 AM  

WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

By inferring that his wife is lying about it?


You mean 'implying'. But I wasn't doing that either.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you. That is all I was implying.

Unless you are Lolita Grayson. Are you Lolita Grayson?
 
2014-03-05 09:21:09 AM  

gilgigamesh: WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

By inferring that his wife is lying about it?

You mean 'implying'. But I wasn't doing that either.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you. That is all I was implying.

Unless you are Lolita Grayson. Are you Lolita Grayson?


Honest question:  would you be saying the same thing if there was an (R) next to his name?  The cynic in me is thinking that you wouldn't.

If you can say with a straight face that you would think the same regardless of party affiliation, then I humbly apologize for the cynicism.  I just have a severe dislike for double standards of this magnitude.

Full disclosure: I usually vote straight ticket Democrat.
 
2014-03-05 09:25:45 AM  
I don't know if Grayson did abuse his wife but every time he speaks he abuse the intelligence of anyone listening. The man is a farktard.
 
2014-03-05 09:26:30 AM  

Dust: gilgigamesh: WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

By inferring that his wife is lying about it?

You mean 'implying'. But I wasn't doing that either.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you. That is all I was implying.

Unless you are Lolita Grayson. Are you Lolita Grayson?

Honest question:  would you be saying the same thing if there was an (R) next to his name?  The cynic in me is thinking that you wouldn't.

If you can say with a straight face that you would think the same regardless of party affiliation, then I humbly apologize for the cynicism.  I just have a severe dislike for double standards of this magnitude.

Full disclosure: I usually vote straight ticket Democrat.


I think he would. He's very level-headed about these sorts of things. He's right - you have to take this with a huge grain of salt, and I think Grayson is a jerk.
 
2014-03-05 09:29:27 AM  
Well this just proves what hypocrites those libs are and furthermore comma
 
2014-03-05 09:31:55 AM  

Nabb1: Dust: gilgigamesh: WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

By inferring that his wife is lying about it?

You mean 'implying'. But I wasn't doing that either.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you. That is all I was implying.

Unless you are Lolita Grayson. Are you Lolita Grayson?

Honest question:  would you be saying the same thing if there was an (R) next to his name?  The cynic in me is thinking that you wouldn't.

If you can say with a straight face that you would think the same regardless of party affiliation, then I humbly apologize for the cynicism.  I just have a severe dislike for double standards of this magnitude.

Full disclosure: I usually vote straight ticket Democrat.

I think he would. He's very level-headed about these sorts of things. He's right - you have to take this with a huge grain of salt, and I think Grayson is a jerk.


Agreed. He's a weird little man but this could go either way, none of us have anywhere near enough information to say whether its true or not.
 
2014-03-05 09:32:20 AM  
Sounds weird. Given Grayson's size, if he pushed his wife, "with force," as she alleges, into a hard, solid object, she likely wouldn't be getting up very quickly. Sounds more like an overly heated argument than abuse. I could just as easily be wrong about that, but that's how it sounds to me.
 
2014-03-05 09:33:31 AM  
This would be a bummer. This guy is a bit left for me, but I respect him due to him from his standing on one issue from several years back.

Didn't seem like a hyperpartisan guy back then.
 
2014-03-05 09:34:54 AM  
When I first saw that headline splash across the wires, I facepalmed hard. First Weiner, now Grayson. What this country needs are more outspoken liberal politicians, but what we get are dumbasses who tweet their junk to co-eds and beat their wives.

Then I read the story. Not only does Grayson deny he touched her, but so does a witness to the incident and the wife herself admits that she "shoved his face and kneed him in the stomach". So... yeah. Likely more to see here.
 
2014-03-05 09:35:09 AM  

LectertheChef: Sounds weird. Given Grayson's size, if he pushed his wife, "with force," as she alleges, into a hard, solid object, she likely wouldn't be getting up very quickly. Sounds more like an overly heated argument than abuse. I could just as easily be wrong about that, but that's how it sounds to me.


Despite what you been told, women are not frail flowers, and when you are angry, you can get up very quickly from a mere shove.
 
2014-03-05 09:35:54 AM  

LasersHurt: Nabb1: Dust: gilgigamesh: WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

By inferring that his wife is lying about it?

You mean 'implying'. But I wasn't doing that either.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you. That is all I was implying.

Unless you are Lolita Grayson. Are you Lolita Grayson?

Honest question:  would you be saying the same thing if there was an (R) next to his name?  The cynic in me is thinking that you wouldn't.

If you can say with a straight face that you would think the same regardless of party affiliation, then I humbly apologize for the cynicism.  I just have a severe dislike for double standards of this magnitude.

Full disclosure: I usually vote straight ticket Democrat.

I think he would. He's very level-headed about these sorts of things. He's right - you have to take this with a huge grain of salt, and I think Grayson is a jerk.

Agreed. He's a weird little man but this could go either way, none of us have anywhere near enough information to say whether its true or not.


That's the first time I've ever heard Grayson described as little.
 
2014-03-05 09:36:32 AM  
You could picture the dude pushing his wife in a heated argument where for instance you can't picture Dennis Kucinich  doing the same thing. But yeah who knows...
 
2014-03-05 09:36:34 AM  

Dust: gilgigamesh: WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

By inferring that his wife is lying about it?

You mean 'implying'. But I wasn't doing that either.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you. That is all I was implying.

Unless you are Lolita Grayson. Are you Lolita Grayson?

Honest question:  would you be saying the same thing if there was an (R) next to his name?  The cynic in me is thinking that you wouldn't.

If you can say with a straight face that you would think the same regardless of party affiliation, then I humbly apologize for the cynicism.  I just have a severe dislike for double standards of this magnitude.

Full disclosure: I usually vote straight ticket Democrat.


Alright yall 3, take it to separate corners. R or D we don't know the full story.  Regardless just reading the article as fact, he pushed her into a door, she hit him in the head and kneed him in the stomach. It doesn't sound as if she is defenseless. Mostly likely they both need to stay the fark away from each other.
 
2014-03-05 09:36:37 AM  
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2014-03-05 09:37:08 AM  

LectertheChef: LasersHurt: Agreed. He's a weird little man but this could go either way, none of us have anywhere near enough information to say whether its true or not.

That's the first time I've ever heard Grayson described as little.


Alright, weird giant man.
 
2014-03-05 09:38:34 AM  

LoneWolf343: LectertheChef: Sounds weird. Given Grayson's size, if he pushed his wife, "with force," as she alleges, into a hard, solid object, she likely wouldn't be getting up very quickly. Sounds more like an overly heated argument than abuse. I could just as easily be wrong about that, but that's how it sounds to me.

Despite what you been told, women are not frail flowers, and when you are angry, you can get up very quickly from a mere shove.


From a shove, yes. From someone who outweighs you by 100 lbs shoving you into a solid object, hard enough to knock you to the ground after the hit, no. That would have more than likely involved her hitting her head on the door. A hit to the head that's hard enough to send you to the ground you don't get up quickly, no matter how strong or tough someone is.
 
2014-03-05 09:39:03 AM  
As a liberal, I have one question.

Who the fark is Alan Grayson, and why is he my hero?

Alright, so that was two questions.
 
2014-03-05 09:40:46 AM  
I met his wife at the 2012 victory party on election night.  She is intelligent and seemed gracious and nice.  My thoughts right now are with the family.  Divorce is never fun, and this one sounds like it will be pretty tough on everyone.

A Grayson staffer witnessed the event and has stated that nothing happened.  He could be motivated to protect his boss, but that's still probably enough to end the issue.  Grayson faced no charges.
 
2014-03-05 09:41:59 AM  

grumpfuff: Who the fark is Alan Grayson


most notable moment:
i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-05 09:42:18 AM  

Pappas: Not only does Grayson deny he touched her, but so does a witness to the incident


The witness is one of Grayson's staffers. You can tell a staffer is lying when his boss tells him to move his lips.

This looks a lot like the case involving my old congressman John Sweeney back in '06. Blowhard partisan, got to liking the power he had in DC, got to liking a drink or five too, and got into a slapfight with his then wife.

So now all Florida needs is a Republican version of Kirsten Gillibrand to follow Grayson, except that every politician in Florida above the title of dogcatcher seems to be either incompetent, insane, corrupt, or some combination of all three.

What, is Jeb Bush the only "normal" one down there?
 
2014-03-05 09:45:02 AM  

Dust: gilgigamesh: WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

By inferring that his wife is lying about it?

You mean 'implying'. But I wasn't doing that either.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you. That is all I was implying.

Unless you are Lolita Grayson. Are you Lolita Grayson?

Honest question:  would you be saying the same thing if there was an (R) next to his name?  The cynic in me is thinking that you wouldn't.

If you can say with a straight face that you would think the same regardless of party affiliation, then I humbly apologize for the cynicism.  I just have a severe dislike for double standards of this magnitude.

Full disclosure: I usually vote straight ticket Democrat.


My honest answer is yes, I would. I am making this observation as a divorce lawyer who sees this kind of thing frequently.

I don't have much of an opinion on Grayson either way. I like firebrand democrats, but he often goes too far.
 
2014-03-05 09:48:23 AM  

Andyr2120: Grayson faced no charges.


That's never stopped the media from trumping up sensationalist stories before.
 
2014-03-05 09:50:20 AM  

Headso: grumpfuff: Who the fark is Alan Grayson

most notable moment:
[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Well. Now I just have to figure out why he's supposed to be my hero. Is it because he was sticking it to the R's or something?
 
2014-03-05 09:53:42 AM  
Hero? More like useful troll. Not a fan.
 
2014-03-05 09:53:59 AM  
On another note, assuming this woman is roughly the same age as Grayson, what kind of parent who had a daughter in the late 60s or early 70s would name their kid "Lolita"?

Why not just go for the gold and name the kid "Jailbait"?
 
2014-03-05 09:54:31 AM  

Nabb1: Dust: gilgigamesh: WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

By inferring that his wife is lying about it?

You mean 'implying'. But I wasn't doing that either.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you. That is all I was implying.

Unless you are Lolita Grayson. Are you Lolita Grayson?

Honest question:  would you be saying the same thing if there was an (R) next to his name?  The cynic in me is thinking that you wouldn't.

If you can say with a straight face that you would think the same regardless of party affiliation, then I humbly apologize for the cynicism.  I just have a severe dislike for double standards of this magnitude.

Full disclosure: I usually vote straight ticket Democrat.

I think he would. He's very level-headed about these sorts of things. He's right - you have to take this with a huge grain of salt, and I think Grayson is a jerk.


Yup.

From what I have seen of him, it wouldn't shock me to hear Grayson assaulted someone, including his wife.

It also wouldn't shock me to hear Grayson's wife significantly embellished some details here to gain the upper hand in a messy divorce.
 
2014-03-05 09:54:43 AM  

grumpfuff: Headso: grumpfuff: Who the fark is Alan Grayson

most notable moment:
[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Well. Now I just have to figure out why he's supposed to be my hero. Is it because he was sticking it to the R's or something?


He's known for using some fiery rhetoric, it was refreshing to see a democrat that isn't a wimp regarding the verbiage he uses so I assume that is what subs was getting at because it made him butthurt.
 
2014-03-05 09:56:47 AM  

gilgigamesh: Dust: gilgigamesh: WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

By inferring that his wife is lying about it?

You mean 'implying'. But I wasn't doing that either.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you. That is all I was implying.

Unless you are Lolita Grayson. Are you Lolita Grayson?

Honest question:  would you be saying the same thing if there was an (R) next to his name?  The cynic in me is thinking that you wouldn't.

If you can say with a straight face that you would think the same regardless of party affiliation, then I humbly apologize for the cynicism.  I just have a severe dislike for double standards of this magnitude.

Full disclosure: I usually vote straight ticket Democrat.

My honest answer is yes, I would. I am making this observation as a divorce lawyer who sees this kind of thing frequently.

I don't have much of an opinion on Grayson either way. I like firebrand democrats, but he often goes too far.


Fair enough then.  I have no problem with people deciding to withhold judgment on domestic issues like this, difficult as they may be.  I just know there's too many people nowadays that are willing to sweep everything under the rug if it's one of their flock.
 
2014-03-05 09:59:54 AM  
Based on the anger this guy showed when he was a member of the House, I can believe it. Dude was seriously unstable and unbalanced.
 
2014-03-05 10:00:58 AM  

Dust: Fair enough then. I have no problem with people deciding to withhold judgment on domestic issues like this, difficult as they may be. I just know there's too many people nowadays that are willing to sweep everything under the rug if it's one of their flock


Not that at all. If Grayson got arrested or there were pictures to corroborate I would be much more willing to buy her version. As it stands this is a coin toss.

The fact that it happened during visitation is a huge red flag. Anything could have happened.
 
2014-03-05 10:01:01 AM  
Lolita Grayson

Come on. Who the hell names their kid that.
 
2014-03-05 10:03:37 AM  
The congressman's director of constituent services, Juan Lopez, told the Sentinel he witnessed the incident Saturday from just a few feet away. He denied that Rep. Grayson had struck his wife.

He has a witness, she doesn't, and there's no objective evidence mentioned. She got her ex parte temporary protective order, but that's as far as it's going to go. They'll settle it with a consent order giving her pendente lite exclusive use of the residence and having any custodial exchanges occur in a neutral location.

Oh, and the old "spouse hit me so keep spouse away from me AND the children even though I haven't alleged any abuse directed toward them" tends to suggest, in my experience, that the story is embellished and/or intended to get leverage in the divorce.
 
2014-03-05 10:04:03 AM  

gilgigamesh: Not that at all. If Grayson got arrested or there were pictures to corroborate I would be much more willing to buy her version. As it stands this is a coin toss.

The fact that it happened during visitation is a huge red flag. Anything could have happened.


Domestic violence sucks, but this is also a tool that women use in divorce proceedings. The court will side with the women by default even if it is bullsh*t. I wouldn't pick a side on this one unless there was actual evidence as opposed to words.
 
2014-03-05 10:04:18 AM  

LoneWolf343: LectertheChef: Sounds weird. Given Grayson's size, if he pushed his wife, "with force," as she alleges, into a hard, solid object, she likely wouldn't be getting up very quickly. Sounds more like an overly heated argument than abuse. I could just as easily be wrong about that, but that's how it sounds to me.

Despite what you been told, women are not frail flowers, and when you are angry, you can get up very quickly from a mere shove.


As someone who suffered physical abuse from an ex-girlfriend, I can agree.

Not enough information to make a decision with regards to this situation, yet. It's something to keep an eye on.

/not every woman is abusive
//or a liar
///or a cheat
////but my ex certainly is.
 
2014-03-05 10:12:37 AM  

lennavan: Nabb1: Dust: gilgigamesh: WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

By inferring that his wife is lying about it?

You mean 'implying'. But I wasn't doing that either.

I don't know what happened, and neither do you. That is all I was implying.

Unless you are Lolita Grayson. Are you Lolita Grayson?

Honest question:  would you be saying the same thing if there was an (R) next to his name?  The cynic in me is thinking that you wouldn't.

If you can say with a straight face that you would think the same regardless of party affiliation, then I humbly apologize for the cynicism.  I just have a severe dislike for double standards of this magnitude.

Full disclosure: I usually vote straight ticket Democrat.

I think he would. He's very level-headed about these sorts of things. He's right - you have to take this with a huge grain of salt, and I think Grayson is a jerk.

Yup.

From what I have seen of him, it wouldn't shock me to hear Grayson assaulted someone, including his wife.

It also wouldn't shock me to hear Grayson's wife significantly embellished some details here to gain the upper hand in a messy divorce.


Does he have a past history of violence?
 
2014-03-05 10:15:24 AM  

Headso: He's known for using some fiery rhetoric, it was refreshing to see a democrat that isn't a wimp regarding the verbiage he uses so I assume that is what subs was getting at because it made him butthurt.


Bernie Sanders can manage to do the same thing without comparing his opponents to the Klan or the Taliban.
 
2014-03-05 10:24:34 AM  

Gulper Eel: Headso: He's known for using some fiery rhetoric, it was refreshing to see a democrat that isn't a wimp regarding the verbiage he uses so I assume that is what subs was getting at because it made him butthurt.

Bernie Sanders can manage to do the same thing without comparing his opponents to the Klan or the Taliban.


He used to be my Rep and he was pretty good.  I could do without the attention whoring, but whatever.  And he's certainly better than the idiot I got after redistricting (Daniel Webster).  But now Grayson's mom's rep.  And aside from getting a big head from the attention whoring he got during his first term, he's gotten really slimy.  I wish I could share some of the emails she gets from him.

His ideology may be OK but he's gotten as bad as those he opposes.  The rhetoric is now hollow, and his money begging has gotten downright slimy.  He's an operator with a good line.  I really think he co opted the gimmicks from the teabagger set, and not to further party or liberal ideals, but to further himself.

I don't know how mom will vote if he runs again.  If it were him vs. Webster again in my old district, I'd have to vote for him again because the alternative is horrible.  But I wouldn't be happy about it.
 
2014-03-05 10:28:28 AM  

Whodat: I don't know if Grayson did abuse his wife but every time he speaks he abuse the intelligence of anyone listening. The man is a farktard.


Read his Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_grayson

Self made multimillionaire. He may be other things but he isn't stupid.
 
2014-03-05 10:31:27 AM  

Without Fail: Self made multimillionaire. He may be other things but he isn't stupid.


There are a lot of people with a lot of money who are dumber than a box of rocks and/or utterly lacking in any semblance of common sense or rational thought.
 
2014-03-05 10:32:26 AM  
I am shocked that a man who can't control his tongue can't control his hands.

/shocked
 
2014-03-05 10:38:45 AM  

WTF Indeed: gilgigamesh: I'm taking issue with the question begging headline that assumes Grayson is guilty based on nothing more than an ex parte domestic abuse filing.

By inferring that his wife is lying about it?


If it's a bitter divorce involving one or both parties being petty, yes.
 
2014-03-05 10:56:38 AM  
Ahh, going through a messy divorce with kids involved, you can't really trust either side's version of what happened.
 
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