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(The Week UK)   High-protein diets called "as bad as smoking" but without the regular 10-minute breaks during which smokers mock fad diets and the people at the office who slavishly follow one   (theweek.co.uk) divider line 31
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2014-03-05 09:09:36 AM
I'm on Zip Asselstein's Engine 5:2 Precambrian Food of the Gods Diet. Five days a week, I eat nothing but pumice soup, and the other two I eat foraged lichen, just like the aliens who visited earth 23,000 years ago. I've lost 10 pounds and am having terrifying hallucinations pretty much 24/7. Sorry if I don't blindly follow what Big Nutrition tries to force-feed us. I prefer to listen to what my body tells me.
 
2014-03-05 09:52:03 AM

sigdiamond2000: I'm on Zip Asselstein's Engine 5:2 Precambrian Food of the Gods Diet. Five days a week, I eat nothing but pumice soup, and the other two I eat foraged lichen, just like the aliens who visited earth 23,000 years ago. I've lost 10 pounds and am having terrifying hallucinations pretty much 24/7. Sorry if I don't blindly follow what Big Nutrition tries to force-feed us. I prefer to listen to what my body tells me.


Yeah, I was on that one about a year ago but now everyone is on it and it's been perverted beyond usefulness. I'm onto a much better thing now, you've probably never heard of it...
 
2014-03-05 10:19:05 AM
That's ok, smokers may take 10 minute breaks but fatass meateaters take 2 hour lunches and 3 hour poops.

/smoker
//fatass meateater
///best of both worlds?
 
2014-03-05 10:19:07 AM
So, we're just as likely to die from it...  Where's the information that says we're just as likely to develop it in the first place? If it isn't the same statistic, I'll gladly roll the dice because nobody is taking my steak.
 
2014-03-05 10:19:19 AM
These studies alway are interesting to me.   Yes eating only meat and cheese for the rest of your life is bad mmm k.

But if your over-weight loosing the weight is first and formemost.

My parents did the Atkins like 15 years ago and lost a bunch of weight,  after they hit their target you start to eat normal you just never really add back a lot of the simple breads and sugars you keep it to complex carbs.
 
2014-03-05 10:22:30 AM

TheManMythLegend: These studies alway are interesting to me.   Yes eating only meat and cheese for the rest of your life is bad mmm k.

But if your over-weight loosing the weight is first and formemost.

My parents did the Atkins like 15 years ago and lost a bunch of weight,  after they hit their target you start to eat normal you just never really add back a lot of the simple breads and sugars you keep it to complex carbs.


What? A reasonable person who understands subtlety in differentiation between a generally good idea and an iron-clad rule?

now-here-this.timeout.com
 
2014-03-05 10:23:56 AM
So, is this the same study as yesterday, where they don't make any distinction between a chicken breast, and fried cheese sticks?

Also, it's just "proteins from animals" not protein in general.  Pretty sure including fatty dairy skews the results.
 
2014-03-05 10:29:52 AM

sigdiamond2000: I'm on Zip Asselstein's Engine 5:2 Precambrian Food of the Gods Diet. Five days a week, I eat nothing but pumice soup, and the other two I eat foraged lichen, just like the aliens who visited earth 23,000 years ago. I've lost 10 pounds and am having terrifying hallucinations pretty much 24/7. Sorry if I don't blindly follow what Big Nutrition tries to force-feed us. I prefer to listen to what my body tells me.


Beautifully done in one.

I was hoping this would hit Farkistan to see how all the many new age Atkins/Paleos would respond.
 
2014-03-05 10:33:38 AM
Former morbidly obese lardass who is now "merely" overweight, down over 100 pounds in the past year from a high-protein diet. If some study told me I was cutting years off my life from too much protein I'd respond that being being 400 pounds was much worse.

/myfitnesspal is a godsend
//20 more to target weight
 
2014-03-05 10:35:16 AM

CruJones: So, is this the same study as yesterday, where they don't make any distinction between a chicken breast, and fried cheese sticks?

Also, it's just "proteins from animals" not protein in general.  Pretty sure including fatty dairy skews the results.


We really need to start hiring twins and paying them to follow full time diets for decades in order to get better data.

We cannot because of medical ethics, but I think any health risk is offaet by the fact that they'd likely eat shiatty anyways and are being paid enough to offset any loss.
 
2014-03-05 10:35:30 AM
No matter if you're high protein or high carb, you probably need to eat more veggies.
 
2014-03-05 10:37:19 AM
This study is the result of a researcher's clone copying his results word for word.  Thankfully the researcher published his work here yesterday.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8166527/Fat-is-bad-carbs-are-bad-now-pr ot ein-is-bad-That-settles-it-eating-will-kill-us-all


Now all I need to do is kill the right one.  *pointing gun*  But how do I tell the difference?  Which one of you is the real Dr. Valter Longo?!!!
 
2014-03-05 10:39:14 AM
Anyone know the statistical methodology used to derive these results? I mean, it seems important to differentiate between people who eat a diet high in fish, chicken and vegetables vs someone who purely eats chicken fried steak with a side of Big Mac.
 
2014-03-05 10:40:02 AM

fireclown: No matter if you're high protein or high carb, you probably need to eat more veggies.


What, if, like, I'm just high, man?  Can you dig it?
 
2014-03-05 10:41:19 AM

untaken_name: That's ok, smokers may take 10 minute breaks but fatass meateaters take 2 hour lunches and 3 hour poops.

/smoker
//fatass meateater
///best of both worlds?


Meat eaters (who don't eat a ton of grain and sugar) are generally not fat asses. That is why studies like this are damaging. Ever since we went to a high grain (Food pyramid) high processed (1970s-today) diet is when obesity started to get out of hand. It is also where we started to see the uptick in things like heart disease, diabetes and food related allergies.

I have no problems with carbs, eat natural carbs all day to balance out your protein - just don't mistake eating meat with being fat, it is just the opposite.

/side note: I do have a huge issue with the Mazola commercials that just came out touting it as a healthy solution based on research (they even position it as better than olive oil.) The food (grain) industry has so much control in the US today it is disgusting what the government lets them get away with.

//It's ok to bash a smoker in the US, but not a fat person which is BS - fat people are a bigger drain on resources, and now with universal healthcare there should be guidelines that if you want to be fat, you can't join our system - go be fat somewhere else.To do this, the government needs to take responsibility that things like the food pyramid and shiatty science are what is making people fat and sick.
 
2014-03-05 10:45:11 AM

fireclown: No matter if you're high protein or high carb, you probably need to eat more veggies.


There's lettuce on my double bacon cheeseburger.
 
2014-03-05 10:48:01 AM

p the boiler: untaken_name: That's ok, smokers may take 10 minute breaks but fatass meateaters take 2 hour lunches and 3 hour poops.

/smoker
//fatass meateater
///best of both worlds?

Meat eaters (who don't eat a ton of grain and sugar) are generally not fat asses. That is why studies like this are damaging. Ever since we went to a high grain (Food pyramid) high processed (1970s-today) diet is when obesity started to get out of hand. It is also where we started to see the uptick in things like heart disease, diabetes and food related allergies.

I have no problems with carbs, eat natural carbs all day to balance out your protein - just don't mistake eating meat with being fat, it is just the opposite.

/side note: I do have a huge issue with the Mazola commercials that just came out touting it as a healthy solution based on research (they even position it as better than olive oil.) The food (grain) industry has so much control in the US today it is disgusting what the government lets them get away with.

//It's ok to bash a smoker in the US, but not a fat person which is BS - fat people are a bigger drain on resources, and now with universal healthcare there should be guidelines that if you want to be fat, you can't join our system - go be fat somewhere else.To do this, the government needs to take responsibility that things like the food pyramid and shiatty science are what is making people fat and sick.


But, like smokers, they will die young, which keeps them from being the biggest drain on the healthcare system: the elderly.
 
2014-03-05 10:48:18 AM
Judging by all the lard-asses at my office, I'm pretty sure the only thing they follow is the buffet.
 
2014-03-05 10:48:40 AM
It's nearly impossible to get reliable information from food studies, because people lie all the time when reporting what they eat and how much.  In my training days, the rule of thumb was to assume that the person's amount of food and alcohol intake was actually double of what he or she reported.  Unless they're anorexic, in which case you don't believe a word of what's reported.
 
2014-03-05 10:48:45 AM

sigdiamond2000: I'm on Zip Asselstein's Engine 5:2 Precambrian Food of the Gods Diet. Five days a week, I eat nothing but pumice soup, and the other two I eat foraged lichen, just like the aliens who visited earth 23,000 years ago. I've lost 10 pounds and am having terrifying hallucinations pretty much 24/7. Sorry if I don't blindly follow what Big Nutrition tries to force-feed us. I prefer to listen to what my body tells me.


That's an awesome post
/+1
 
2014-03-05 10:50:03 AM

Sin_City_Superhero: fireclown: No matter if you're high protein or high carb, you probably need to eat more veggies.

There's lettuce on my double bacon cheeseburger.


That's why the shred it so finely. It's nearly impossible to scrap it all off.
 
2014-03-05 10:51:08 AM

p the boiler: untaken_name: That's ok, smokers may take 10 minute breaks but fatass meateaters take 2 hour lunches and 3 hour poops.

/smoker
//fatass meateater
///best of both worlds?

Meat eaters (who don't eat a ton of grain and sugar) are generally not fat asses. That is why studies like this are damaging. Ever since we went to a high grain (Food pyramid) high processed (1970s-today) diet is when obesity started to get out of hand. It is also where we started to see the uptick in things like heart disease, diabetes and food related allergies.

I have no problems with carbs, eat natural carbs all day to balance out your protein - just don't mistake eating meat with being fat, it is just the opposite.

/side note: I do have a huge issue with the Mazola commercials that just came out touting it as a healthy solution based on research (they even position it as better than olive oil.) The food (grain) industry has so much control in the US today it is disgusting what the government lets them get away with.

//It's ok to bash a smoker in the US, but not a fat person which is BS - fat people are a bigger drain on resources, and now with universal healthcare there should be guidelines that if you want to be fat, you can't join our system - go be fat somewhere else.To do this, the government needs to take responsibility that things like the food pyramid and shiatty science are what is making people fat and sick.




This is because processed grains metabolize into sugar and spike the glycemic index. Crackers were considered part of the food pyramid.

This was all cynically pushed by the grain industry and congress obligingly complied and THIS was the start of a myriad of problems, including depression, obesity and diabetes.

Also add to the mix the pushing of Aspertame in the 80's. This toxic substance metabolizes into formaldehyde and methyl alcohol and the soft drink company would have us believe that this is a harmless substance. But even in the 80's epileptics were warned away from the stuff and I could never drink a diet soda without getting a crashing migraine.

Incidentally look for the Monsato and soy industry to be behind these "studies."

I've started to see soy products EVERYWHERE. including nasty-assed soy substitutes for butter.

Follow the money. Don't believe any of this bullshiate
 
2014-03-05 10:51:35 AM

p the boiler: untaken_name: That's ok, smokers may take 10 minute breaks but fatass meateaters take 2 hour lunches and 3 hour poops.

/smoker
//fatass meateater
///best of both worlds?

Meat eaters (who don't eat a ton of grain and sugar) are generally not fat asses. That is why studies like this are damaging. Ever since we went to a high grain (Food pyramid) high processed (1970s-today) diet is when obesity started to get out of hand. It is also where we started to see the uptick in things like heart disease, diabetes and food related allergies.

I have no problems with carbs, eat natural carbs all day to balance out your protein - just don't mistake eating meat with being fat, it is just the opposite.

/side note: I do have a huge issue with the Mazola commercials that just came out touting it as a healthy solution based on research (they even position it as better than olive oil.) The food (grain) industry has so much control in the US today it is disgusting what the government lets them get away with.

//It's ok to bash a smoker in the US, but not a fat person which is BS - fat people are a bigger drain on resources, and now with universal healthcare there should be guidelines that if you want to be fat, you can't join our system - go be fat somewhere else.To do this, the government needs to take responsibility that things like the food pyramid and shiatty science are what is making people fat and sick.


Yeah I see the restrictions on bashing fatties has really hampered your ability to be better than them and tell everyone about it.

As for this article, tune in tomorrow for the follow up "High protein diets actually good for you!", then stop by the day after for "No they're totally bad for you, for real this time." It's part infinity in the never ending series titled "We don't know wtf we're talking about because it's impossible to conduct a real study, but hey sensationalism is good too."

/the best diet is the one you can actually stay on, aka changing your eating habits
//yeah you'll lose weight if you eat nothing but tofu or cabbage or w/e but good luck staying on that longer than a week
 
2014-03-05 10:57:17 AM

Astorix: This is because processed grains metabolize into sugar and spike the glycemic index. Crackers were considered part of the food pyramid.

This was all cynically pushed by the grain industry and congress obligingly complied and THIS was the start of a myriad of problems, including depression, obesity and diabetes.

Also add to the mix the pushing of Aspertame in the 80's. This toxic substance metabolizes into formaldehyde and methyl alcohol and the soft drink company would have us believe that this is a harmless substance. But even in the 80's epileptics were warned away from the stuff and I could never drink a diet soda without getting a crashing migraine.

Incidentally look for the Monsato and soy industry to be behind these "studies."

I've started to see soy products EVERYWHERE. including nasty-assed soy substitutes for butter.

Follow the money. Don't believe any of this bullshiate


100% Agree

Kevin Lomax: Yeah I see the restrictions on bashing fatties has really hampered your ability to be better than them and tell everyone about it.


I understand a lot of fat people are fat and don't know why they are when they try to eat healthy - they eat low-fat products that are filled with chemicals - they eat a ton of grain since that is what they are told will help - they cut out fats, because that is what they are told, etc etc.

I get it, and I know it came off harder than it should of - it was more directed at the government allowing it to happen. Free market my ass.

At the same time, people that are overweight deserve as much scorn as smokers - which is either none at all, or complete disgust - people can not pick to think one is bad while not acknowledging the other is just as severe.
 
2014-03-05 10:59:55 AM

tricycleracer: fireclown: No matter if you're high protein or high carb, you probably need to eat more veggies.

What, if, like, I'm just high, man?  Can you dig it?


Some baked broccoli?  Maybe with some parmigiana cheese?
 
2014-03-05 11:01:00 AM
Eating only meat and animal proteins leaves your body needing to break down those proteins to provide your brain with simple sugars and similar molecules, which is the only energy source the brain can use. This leaves an over-abundance of the aminoic waste products that comes from breaking down proteins in this manner, which the liver has to metabolize into uric acid, amongst other waste molecules, which is then expelled via the kidneys. Constantly taxing the liver by metabolising these now toxic chemicals over a long period of time would have the same effect as sustained heavy drinking would have on an alcoholics' liver.

So, yes, only protein all of the time is bad for you. We are not obligate carnivores, like cats, we are omnivores. Which means we need a balanced diet of meat and veggies of all types.

That being said, starting your day with animal protein, in the form of a boiled egg or something similar, is a lot healthier than eating the various sugar-crusted sugary bits people call breakfast cereals. the refined sugars you get in these cereals are digested and metabolised within a few hours, leaving you hungry and wanting a snack halfway though morning. The proteins from the egg(s) will digest slower, giving you a measured energy supply throughout. the morning, making you last until lunch time.

/rant off
 
2014-03-05 11:06:26 AM

p the boiler: the government needs to take responsibility that things like the food pyramid and shiatty science are what is making people fat and sick


thecryptojournalist.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-05 11:11:19 AM

p the boiler: Astorix: This is because processed grains metabolize into sugar and spike the glycemic index. Crackers were considered part of the food pyramid.

This was all cynically pushed by the grain industry and congress obligingly complied and THIS was the start of a myriad of problems, including depression, obesity and diabetes.

Also add to the mix the pushing of Aspertame in the 80's. This toxic substance metabolizes into formaldehyde and methyl alcohol and the soft drink company would have us believe that this is a harmless substance. But even in the 80's epileptics were warned away from the stuff and I could never drink a diet soda without getting a crashing migraine.

Incidentally look for the Monsato and soy industry to be behind these "studies."

I've started to see soy products EVERYWHERE. including nasty-assed soy substitutes for butter.

Follow the money. Don't believe any of this bullshiate


I'm not one to buy into theories like this, but the Food Pyramid and more recent "MyPlate" version are surely direct evidence of just how much the industries control the government.  Those humongous MANDATORY "grains" and "dairy" sections are god damn insulting to anyone with half a brain who knows that everything in those sections is already covered under Vegetables and Protein.

It's despicable, and I love both grains and dairy.

And hey, why'd this thread go from green to red?
 
2014-03-05 11:25:30 AM

Far Cough: And hey, why'd this thread go from green to red?


Monsanto
 
2014-03-05 11:28:04 AM

p the boiler: Far Cough: And hey, why'd this thread go from green to red?

Monsanto


I KNEW IT!
 
2014-03-05 12:07:13 PM

Far Cough: p the boiler: Far Cough: And hey, why'd this thread go from green to red?

Monsanto

I KNEW IT!


www.vistoenforocoches.com
 
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