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(Politico)   Monday: Obama is a spineless jellyfish. Yesterday: Obama's spine is Adamantium with wrath to fear, etc. Today: Obama is a know-nothing who couldn't see this coming. Tomorrow: Obama is wise sage who picked next week's lottery numbers   (politico.com) divider line 314
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2014-03-05 08:35:17 AM  
When will the American people finally see the truth behind this Atheist Muslim, Inexperienced Career Politician, Socialist Tool of Wall Street, Appeasing War Criminal, Cigarette-Puffing Health Freak, Buck-Passing Dictator?
 
2014-03-05 08:46:16 AM  
I get the feeling that Politico is becoming a bi-polar clown...more so than usual

/and just as funny
//submitted the adamantium headline yesterday
 
2014-03-05 09:07:49 AM  
The story about Obama's diplomatic failure regarding the Ukraine isn't a story of how he behaved/reacted last week, yesterday, today, or even tomorrow.  You have to look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel if you want to understand why his policy in the Ukraine matter is a failure, why Putin thumbs his nose at US interests, and why other countries have learned (and are learning) to disregard him.
 
2014-03-05 09:12:09 AM  

Lucky LaRue: The story about Obama's diplomatic failure regarding the Ukraine isn't a story of how he behaved/reacted last week, yesterday, today, or even tomorrow.  You have to look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel if you want to understand why his policy in the Ukraine matter is a failure, why Putin thumbs his nose at US interests, and why other countries have learned (and are learning) to disregard him.


....because we don't get ourselves involved militarily? Cause I gotta level with you here, warming relations with Iran and getting them to agree to nuclear disarmament is one of the better diplomatic victories in the last 50 years
 
2014-03-05 10:00:32 AM  
Conservatives, 1984: "America first! If you hippies don't like it, move to Russia!"

Conservatives, 2014: "OMG Putin is so dreamy! I wish we were more like him. Go Russia!"
 
2014-03-05 10:00:37 AM  
Friday: I'm in love (and same sex married). Thanks Obama!
 
2014-03-05 10:02:15 AM  
Yeah, because when I want informative articles on foreign policy, the first place I go is Politico. That site is comprised of nothing but DC cocktail circuit farkwits, who know less about foreign policy than the Snowbirds who make trips down to Algadones to get their prescriptions filled.
 
2014-03-05 10:03:07 AM  
Obama: The Rorschach president.
 
2014-03-05 10:03:16 AM  

Lucky LaRue: look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel


so far so good...
 
2014-03-05 10:05:18 AM  

Lucky LaRue: The story about Obama's diplomatic failure regarding the Ukraine isn't a story of how he behaved/reacted last week, yesterday, today, or even tomorrow.  You have to look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel if you want to understand why his policy in the Ukraine matter is a failure, why Putin thumbs his nose at US interests, and why other countries have learned (and are learning) to disregard him.


Well, let's look at your examples, shall we?

Syria: No bombs or bullets expended, no American losses, Syria is giving up its CWs without a fight.

Iran: No bombs or bullets expended, no American losses, Syria is cooperating with inspectors.

Iraq: Complied with established withdrawal plan, got us out of a Republican-instigated war.

Egypt: Offered verbal support, refused to back the dictator, Egyptians are working out their own problems in their own time without our interference.

Libya: Organized support for the rebels, removed Daffy's air force and armor and aided the rebels in overthrowing their dictator and now have an ally in the Libyan people.

Israel: Mad about all the above.
 
2014-03-05 10:05:38 AM  
Do I have to break out the Big Spiffy List again?
 
2014-03-05 10:07:55 AM  

DrVoice: Conservatives, 1984: "America first! If you hippies don't like it, move to Russia!"

Conservatives, 2014: "OMG Putin is so dreamy! I wish we were more like him. Go Russia!"


To be fair, they didn't really understand Russia in '84 either.
 
2014-03-05 10:08:19 AM  
That has members of Congress asking why there was no clear warning that Russia would respond militarily to the abrupt departure of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych by sending troops into Crimea - and what intelligence agencies plan to do about the oversight.

Sometimes you make the mistake of assuming that actors will behave rationally based on your own ideas of what rational is.  That's when they catch you off guard.  Putin will clearly pay a price for using old-school tactics to prop up his failed state.  There were much easier ways for him to get what he wanted without this.
 
2014-03-05 10:08:39 AM  
he should blame it on a youtube video and hope it blows over until after the election.
 
2014-03-05 10:09:04 AM  

Infernalist: Lucky LaRue: The story about Obama's diplomatic failure regarding the Ukraine isn't a story of how he behaved/reacted last week, yesterday, today, or even tomorrow.  You have to look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel if you want to understand why his policy in the Ukraine matter is a failure, why Putin thumbs his nose at US interests, and why other countries have learned (and are learning) to disregard him.

Well, let's look at your examples, shall we?

Syria: No bombs or bullets expended, no American losses, Syria is giving up its CWs without a fight.

Iran: No bombs or bullets expended, no American losses, Syria is cooperating with inspectors.

Iraq: Complied with established withdrawal plan, got us out of a Republican-instigated war.

Egypt: Offered verbal support, refused to back the dictator, Egyptians are working out their own problems in their own time without our interference.

Libya: Organized support for the rebels, removed Daffy's air force and armor and aided the rebels in overthrowing their dictator and now have an ally in the Libyan people.

Israel: Mad about all the above.



To the ignorant farktwits who carry water for the GOP, costly dick waving is more important than successful results.
 
2014-03-05 10:09:41 AM  

Infernalist: Lucky LaRue: The story about Obama's diplomatic failure regarding the Ukraine isn't a story of how he behaved/reacted last week, yesterday, today, or even tomorrow.  You have to look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel if you want to understand why his policy in the Ukraine matter is a failure, why Putin thumbs his nose at US interests, and why other countries have learned (and are learning) to disregard him.

Well, let's look at your examples, shall we?

Syria: No bombs or bullets expended, no American losses, Syria is giving up its CWs without a fight.

Iran: No bombs or bullets expended, no American losses, Syria is cooperating with inspectors.

Iraq: Complied with established withdrawal plan, got us out of a Republican-instigated war.

Egypt: Offered verbal support, refused to back the dictator, Egyptians are working out their own problems in their own time without our interference.

Libya: Organized support for the rebels, removed Daffy's air force and armor and aided the rebels in overthrowing their dictator and now have an ally in the Libyan people.

Israel: Mad about all the above.


That's all good and well, but you are missing the point.  This isn't a debate on whether your or my opinion of his foreign policy are correct.  However you *feel* about it, it doesn't change the fact that the result today is Putin completely ignoring Obama and doing so with the confidence of impunity.  Putin has seen how Obama handles US foreign policy and has concluded that he doesn't need to take American interests into account when formulating his own policy.
 
2014-03-05 10:09:48 AM  

DrVoice: Conservatives, 1984: "America first! If you hippies don't like it, move to Russia!"

Conservatives, 2014: "OMG Putin is so dreamy! I wish we were more like him. Go Russia!"


Reagan's rolling over in his grave right now.  if he taught us anything, it was "COMMIES BAD!"
 
2014-03-05 10:10:59 AM  

ManateeGag: DrVoice: Conservatives, 1984: "America first! If you hippies don't like it, move to Russia!"

Conservatives, 2014: "OMG Putin is so dreamy! I wish we were more like him. Go Russia!"

Reagan's rolling over in his grave right now.  if he taught us anything, it was "COMMIES BAD!"


But Fartbama's a bigger Commie than Pooty-Poot!
 
2014-03-05 10:12:33 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Infernalist: Lucky LaRue: The story about Obama's diplomatic failure regarding the Ukraine isn't a story of how he behaved/reacted last week, yesterday, today, or even tomorrow.  You have to look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel if you want to understand why his policy in the Ukraine matter is a failure, why Putin thumbs his nose at US interests, and why other countries have learned (and are learning) to disregard him.

Well, let's look at your examples, shall we?

Syria: No bombs or bullets expended, no American losses, Syria is giving up its CWs without a fight.

Iran: No bombs or bullets expended, no American losses, Syria is cooperating with inspectors.

Iraq: Complied with established withdrawal plan, got us out of a Republican-instigated war.

Egypt: Offered verbal support, refused to back the dictator, Egyptians are working out their own problems in their own time without our interference.

Libya: Organized support for the rebels, removed Daffy's air force and armor and aided the rebels in overthrowing their dictator and now have an ally in the Libyan people.

Israel: Mad about all the above.

That's all good and well, but you are missing the point.  This isn't a debate on whether your or my opinion of his foreign policy are correct.  However you *feel* about it, it doesn't change the fact that the result today is Putin completely ignoring Obama and doing so with the confidence of impunity.  Putin has seen how Obama handles US foreign policy and has concluded that he doesn't need to take American interests into account when formulating his own policy.



What are the US interests in Crimea that Putin is not taking into account?
 
2014-03-05 10:15:25 AM  

max_pooper: What are the US interests in Crimea that Putin is not taking into account?


That the republicans had an easier time when they could blame the evil soviets for everything, and starting a new cold war with Russia would help them win elections.
 
2014-03-05 10:16:32 AM  

Lucky LaRue: That's all good and well, but you are missing the point. This isn't a debate on whether your or my opinion of his foreign policy are correct. However you *feel* about it, it doesn't change the fact that the result today is Putin completely ignoring Obama and doing so with the confidence of impunity. Putin has seen how Obama handles US foreign policy and has concluded that he doesn't need to take American interests into account when formulating his own policy.


What makes you think that the US would factor into Putin's decisions, regardless of who is in office? What exactly in Putin's history would lead you to believe that he has anything other than antipathy and contempt for the West? His behavior in this is entirely consistent with everything he's done to this point, including back during the Georgia/Osettia thing. He's always been this way. A Russian neoconservative.
 
2014-03-05 10:17:13 AM  
They didn't expect a Russian to move so quickly.

Amateurs.

/rush'n attack
 
2014-03-05 10:17:47 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Infernalist: Lucky LaRue: The story about Obama's diplomatic failure regarding the Ukraine isn't a story of how he behaved/reacted last week, yesterday, today, or even tomorrow.  You have to look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel if you want to understand why his policy in the Ukraine matter is a failure, why Putin thumbs his nose at US interests, and why other countries have learned (and are learning) to disregard him.

Well, let's look at your examples, shall we?

Syria: No bombs or bullets expended, no American losses, Syria is giving up its CWs without a fight.

Iran: No bombs or bullets expended, no American losses, Syria is cooperating with inspectors.

Iraq: Complied with established withdrawal plan, got us out of a Republican-instigated war.

Egypt: Offered verbal support, refused to back the dictator, Egyptians are working out their own problems in their own time without our interference.

Libya: Organized support for the rebels, removed Daffy's air force and armor and aided the rebels in overthrowing their dictator and now have an ally in the Libyan people.

Israel: Mad about all the above.

That's all good and well, but you are missing the point.  This isn't a debate on whether your or my opinion of his foreign policy are correct.  However you *feel* about it, it doesn't change the fact that the result today is Putin completely ignoring Obama and doing so with the confidence of impunity.  Putin has seen how Obama handles US foreign policy and has concluded that he doesn't need to take American interests into account when formulating his own policy.


Yes, he's ignoring everything.  That's why they moved Russian troops back from the Russian border and back to their bases.

That's also why he's denying the very existence of Russian troops on foreign soil.  And why Russians haven't fired a single bullet 'at' anyone.

That's also why he keeps changing his story as to why Russians 'would' invade Ukraine if they were going to invade.  First, it was to protect Russians, then it was because the ousted President asked Putin to do it, then it was that Neo-Nazis have taken over Ukraine.

The man started walking things back before the first hour had passed.  He changed his story and started pretending things weren't as bad as all that once they lost $58 billion or so in the first day's business after they invaded Ukrainian soil.

If you can objectively look at the situation and think that Putin isn't carefully considering everything and everyone's opinion on this, then you're either retarded or delusional.
 
2014-03-05 10:24:22 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Putin has seen how Obama handles US foreign policy and has concluded that he doesn't need to take American interests into account when formulating his own policy.


Because before Obama, Putin(and Russia in general) have a long history of showing the utmost respect towards American interests.

Errr...exactly what interests did we have in the Ukraine again?
 
2014-03-05 10:24:42 AM  
Should the USSR have nuked the US when we invaded Grenada?
Should Russia have broken diplomatic ties with us when we invaded Haiti? Seized our assets? Organized an embargo against us?
 
2014-03-05 10:27:53 AM  

grumpfuff: Lucky LaRue: Putin has seen how Obama handles US foreign policy and has concluded that he doesn't need to take American interests into account when formulating his own policy.

Because before Obama, Putin(and Russia in general) have a long history of showing the utmost respect towards American interests.

Errr...exactly what interests did we have in the Ukraine again?


To save all the poor innocent hobbits from the evil Sauron.
 
2014-03-05 10:28:50 AM  
Infernalist:
Yes, he's ignoring everything.  That's why they moved Russian troops back from the Russian border and back to their bases.

That's also why he's denying the very existence of Russian troops on foreign soil.  And why Russians haven't fired a single bullet 'at' anyone.

That's also why he keeps changing his story as to why Russians 'would' invade Ukraine if they were going to invade.  First, it was to protect Russians, then it was because the ousted President asked Putin to do it, then it was that Neo-Nazis have taken over Ukraine.

The man started walking things back before the first hour had passed.  He changed his story and started pretending things weren't as bad as all that once they lost $58 billion or so in the first day's business after they invaded Ukrainian soil.

If you can objectively look at the situation and think that Putin isn't carefully considering everything and everyone's opinion on this, then you're either retarded or delusional.


Putin's army didn't have to fire any shots for him to declare victory - the Ukraine will not be joining the EU anytime soon, nor does Putin have to worry about a NATO-allied Ukraine, now.
 
2014-03-05 10:28:51 AM  

yakmans_dad: Should the USSR have nuked the US when we invaded Grenada?
Should Russia have broken diplomatic ties with us when we invaded Haiti? Seized our assets? Organized an embargo against us?


BTW, we just happened to get off the boat in St. Petersburg the day the Russians invaded Georgia so I wasn't in the US when George Bush did ... what?
 
2014-03-05 10:29:39 AM  

yakmans_dad: BTW, we just happened to get off the boat in St. Petersburg the day the Russians invaded Georgia so I wasn't in the US when George Bush did ... what?


He was president when France did a thing.
 
2014-03-05 10:30:39 AM  

grumpfuff: Lucky LaRue: Putin has seen how Obama handles US foreign policy and has concluded that he doesn't need to take American interests into account when formulating his own policy.

Because before Obama, Putin(and Russia in general) have a long history of showing the utmost respect towards American interests.

Errr...exactly what interests did we have in the Ukraine again?


If you don't see the benefit to US interests of Ukraine as a member of the EU and NATO, then why are you even involving yourself in this conversation?
 
2014-03-05 10:30:59 AM  
Predicting the actions of erratic and unstable world leaders has never been this country's strong point.
 
2014-03-05 10:33:11 AM  

LectertheChef: Lucky LaRue: That's all good and well, but you are missing the point. This isn't a debate on whether your or my opinion of his foreign policy are correct. However you *feel* about it, it doesn't change the fact that the result today is Putin completely ignoring Obama and doing so with the confidence of impunity. Putin has seen how Obama handles US foreign policy and has concluded that he doesn't need to take American interests into account when formulating his own policy.

What makes you think that the US would factor into Putin's decisions, regardless of who is in office? What exactly in Putin's history would lead you to believe that he has anything other than antipathy and contempt for the West? His behavior in this is entirely consistent with everything he's done to this point, including back during the Georgia/Osettia thing. He's always been this way. A Russian neoconservative.


Did you see Putin invade any of his neighbors when a bootstrappy, tough-as-nails cowboy was President?  That's what I thought.
 
2014-03-05 10:33:25 AM  
Nice to see all the bi-partisan support of the president as he tries to navigate this crisis. I'm so glad they aren't trying to undermine any diplomatic or political capital he might need. Unity in times like this is important to show that we are strong and confident and stand as one. Why it would be absolutely treasonous to try to cripple our position with rhetoric for political points.
 
2014-03-05 10:33:44 AM  

yakmans_dad: yakmans_dad: Should the USSR have nuked the US when we invaded Grenada?
Should Russia have broken diplomatic ties with us when we invaded Haiti? Seized our assets? Organized an embargo against us?

BTW, we just happened to get off the boat in St. Petersburg the day the Russians invaded Georgia so I wasn't in the US when George Bush did ... what?


b..bu..but BUSH!

Georgia was (is) a hotbed of Islamic radicalism, and it hold no sway over US interests.  The Ukraine was poised to become a member of the EU and on its way to joining NATO - both of which are very important to the US.
 
2014-03-05 10:34:10 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Infernalist:
Yes, he's ignoring everything.  That's why they moved Russian troops back from the Russian border and back to their bases.

That's also why he's denying the very existence of Russian troops on foreign soil.  And why Russians haven't fired a single bullet 'at' anyone.

That's also why he keeps changing his story as to why Russians 'would' invade Ukraine if they were going to invade.  First, it was to protect Russians, then it was because the ousted President asked Putin to do it, then it was that Neo-Nazis have taken over Ukraine.

The man started walking things back before the first hour had passed.  He changed his story and started pretending things weren't as bad as all that once they lost $58 billion or so in the first day's business after they invaded Ukrainian soil.

If you can objectively look at the situation and think that Putin isn't carefully considering everything and everyone's opinion on this, then you're either retarded or delusional.

Putin's army didn't have to fire any shots for him to declare victory - the Ukraine will not be joining the EU anytime soon, nor does Putin have to worry about a NATO-allied Ukraine, now.


You're confused, obviously.  There's no way that Ukraine won't join NATO now.  Forget the EU for the moment, focus on the reality that NATO troops will now be within frighteningly close proximity to Moscow.  Russians are known to have a phobia about being invaded and conquered by their enemies.  It's the whole reason they had Eastern Europe as buffer states.  The very 'best' that Russia can hope for now is that Eastern Ukraine decides it likes the idea of being conquered and throws its lot in with Russia.  And 'that' will only drive the remnants of Ukraine to NATO that much faster to avoid being invaded as well.

The worst thing possible would be what's happening now.  The situation bogged down by political matters and a Ukrainian force in the Crimean region that refuses to surrender and holds out indefinitely.  If Putin is lucky, they'll get to keep the Crimean region.  Which they already had, by the way.

The fact that you think that Ukraine won't be tying itself closely and quickly to the EU and NATO makes me wonder if you're paying any attention at all to the situation at hand.
 
2014-03-05 10:34:13 AM  

Lucky LaRue: The story about Obama's diplomatic failure regarding the Ukraine isn't a story of how he behaved/reacted last week, yesterday, today, or even tomorrow.  You have to look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel if you want to understand why his policy in the Ukraine matter is a failure, why Putin thumbs his nose at US interests, and why other countries have learned (and are learning) to disregard him.


If memory Serves, Pres. Obama wanted to take Assad to task over his actions in Syria but (surprise!) the GOP reps and senators opposed it so vociferously that he backed down. And, typically, now they're criticizing him for having backed down even though that's what they wanted.
 
2014-03-05 10:36:02 AM  

Lucky LaRue: nor does Putin have to worry about a NATO-allied Ukraine, now.


Uh, what? You're kidding, right?
 
2014-03-05 10:36:14 AM  
Oh, look... This concerned clown again.
 
2014-03-05 10:36:56 AM  

Lucky LaRue: The story about Obama's diplomatic failure regarding the Ukraine isn't a story of how he behaved/reacted last week, yesterday, today, or even tomorrow.  You have to look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel if you want to understand why his policy in the Ukraine matter is a failure, why Putin thumbs his nose at US interests, and why other countries have learned (and are learning) to disregard him.


Really?  So what would you suggest should be the appropriate response?

/loves these kind of guys
//wonder what the view is from their ivory tower
 
2014-03-05 10:37:09 AM  
If Obama was so feckless and a pushover he would be an easy mark for them to bully into doing something rash. He would have been goaded into Iran,Syria,Georgia and now Ukraine like McCain and the rest of the Military Industrial complex's puppets want. It would be easy to give in to their demands. The hard thing to do is to resist the temptation.
 
2014-03-05 10:37:15 AM  

keylock71: Oh, look... This concerned clown again.


That alt is getting a lot of action.
 
2014-03-05 10:37:47 AM  

born_yesterday: LectertheChef: Lucky LaRue: That's all good and well, but you are missing the point. This isn't a debate on whether your or my opinion of his foreign policy are correct. However you *feel* about it, it doesn't change the fact that the result today is Putin completely ignoring Obama and doing so with the confidence of impunity. Putin has seen how Obama handles US foreign policy and has concluded that he doesn't need to take American interests into account when formulating his own policy.

What makes you think that the US would factor into Putin's decisions, regardless of who is in office? What exactly in Putin's history would lead you to believe that he has anything other than antipathy and contempt for the West? His behavior in this is entirely consistent with everything he's done to this point, including back during the Georgia/Osettia thing. He's always been this way. A Russian neoconservative.

Did you see Putin invade any of his neighbors when a bootstrappy, tough-as-nails cowboy was President?  That's what I thought.


The only interest the US had in Georgia was that it was a hotbed of Islamic extremism.  Why should we care if Putin beat the shiat out of them?  What I didn't see when Bush was president was Putin invading a EU and NATO candidate country.  Or propping up genocidal dictators that the United States had declared "must go".
 
2014-03-05 10:38:17 AM  

menschenfresser: If memory Serves, Pres. Obama wanted to take Assad to task over his actions in Syria but (surprise!) the GOP reps and senators opposed it so vociferously that he backed down.


No, he backed down once Assad went running to daddy to make the big bad Americans go away.
 
2014-03-05 10:39:37 AM  

Lucky LaRue: What I didn't see when Bush was president was Putin invading a EU and NATO candidate country.


Why does THAT make a difference? Seriously, you're reaching here.
 
2014-03-05 10:41:46 AM  

Lucky LaRue: grumpfuff: Lucky LaRue: Putin has seen how Obama handles US foreign policy and has concluded that he doesn't need to take American interests into account when formulating his own policy.

Because before Obama, Putin(and Russia in general) have a long history of showing the utmost respect towards American interests.

Errr...exactly what interests did we have in the Ukraine again?

If you don't see the benefit to US interests of Ukraine as a member of the EU and NATO, then why are you even involving yourself in this conversation?


lol

Make an assertion. Blame other people for not mindlessly accepting said assertion.

/not my job to support your claims
 
2014-03-05 10:41:48 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Nice to see all the bi-partisan support of the president as he tries to navigate this crisis. I'm so glad they aren't trying to undermine any diplomatic or political capital he might need. Unity in times like this is important to show that we are strong and confident and stand as one. Why it would be absolutely treasonous to try to cripple our position with rhetoric for political points.


1000x THIS.
 
2014-03-05 10:41:49 AM  

Rwa2play: Lucky LaRue: The story about Obama's diplomatic failure regarding the Ukraine isn't a story of how he behaved/reacted last week, yesterday, today, or even tomorrow.  You have to look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel if you want to understand why his policy in the Ukraine matter is a failure, why Putin thumbs his nose at US interests, and why other countries have learned (and are learning) to disregard him.

Really?  So what would you suggest should be the appropriate response?

/loves these kind of guys
//wonder what the view is from their ivory tower


Dude - you should really bring yourself up to date on the conversation before trying to join it.  It sometimes helps you avoid looking like an idiot and blowing your wad on a point that was already addressed.
 
2014-03-05 10:43:18 AM  

born_yesterday: keylock71: Oh, look... This concerned clown again.

That alt is getting a lot of action.


It's comical it's getting as many bites as it is.

Has someone asked it what Obama should be doing instead of what he is doing? That was good for a few laughs yesterday.
 
2014-03-05 10:43:21 AM  

Lucky LaRue: Rwa2play: Lucky LaRue: The story about Obama's diplomatic failure regarding the Ukraine isn't a story of how he behaved/reacted last week, yesterday, today, or even tomorrow.  You have to look to how he has handled Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, and the US relationship with Israel if you want to understand why his policy in the Ukraine matter is a failure, why Putin thumbs his nose at US interests, and why other countries have learned (and are learning) to disregard him.

Really?  So what would you suggest should be the appropriate response?

/loves these kind of guys
//wonder what the view is from their ivory tower

Dude - you should really bring yourself up to date on the conversation before trying to join it.  It sometimes helps you avoid looking like an idiot and blowing your wad on a point that was already addressed.



So what do you believe the appropriate response should be?
 
2014-03-05 10:43:50 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Lucky LaRue: What I didn't see when Bush was president was Putin invading a EU and NATO candidate country.

Why does THAT make a difference? Seriously, you're reaching here.


I don't know if Georgia was an EU and NATO candidate but he invaded while Bush was president.

I think you fell into a trap.
 
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