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(Trust.org)   Climate change is mostly blah stuff - we're short a few polar bears, some polar ice we'll never walk on is melting, long-term climate models whatever and DAMN YOU GLOBAL WARMING WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF COFFEE   (trust.org) divider line 134
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2014-03-05 09:45:17 AM
SOMETHING...must be DONE. *pounds desk with fist*
 
2014-03-05 09:59:10 AM
And here's where the rubber meets the road, so to speak: the question is not "is ACC happening?" but rather, "When ACC happens what lengths are we willing to go to maintain our current standard of living?"

Of course, I've only had one cup of coffee so far today, so I may just stab someone in the eye socket instead.
 
2014-03-05 10:16:37 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-05 10:19:54 AM
We're running out of cheap near-slave-labour produced coffee.
 
2014-03-05 10:19:59 AM
I never saw and of those titans of intellect on the Nat Geo preppers show stockpile coffee. Seems to me if some disaster cut off any sort of international trade the stuff would eventually be more valuable than gold. Same goes for spices and whatnot.

/still on my first cup
 
2014-03-05 10:24:05 AM
Also heard today, there will be no more avocados in a few years due to climate change.
 
2014-03-05 10:24:49 AM

miniflea: I never saw and of those titans of intellect on the Nat Geo preppers show stockpile coffee. Seems to me if some disaster cut off any sort of international trade the stuff would eventually be more valuable than gold. Same goes for spices and whatnot.

/still on my first cup


Don't stockpile coffee. Stockpile caffeine pills. They keep for longer, are more compact, and take zero preparation.
 
2014-03-05 10:26:40 AM
But according to deniers, if climates shift then farmers can shift right with them. Let's see ...

FTFACoffee farmers in Central America report roya is now infecting plantations at a higher altitude - above 1,000 to 1,200 metres - whereas in the past it did not tend to flourish above 800 metres.

I guess they'll just go higher on the mountain right? That should be easy enough. It's not like mountains get more vertical, rocky and narrow to a peak or anything like that.

Nothing to see here ... keep consuming oil ... move along citizen ...
 
2014-03-05 10:26:59 AM
Kill some animals? Meh.  We've got lots.  Sea levels rising?  Psh.  Just means better surfing.  Coffee supplies dwindling?  OH NOW IT'S ON, BIATCH, I WILL FARK YOUR SHIAT UP!


/I guess when the coffee's gone I'll have to switch to meth.
 
2014-03-05 10:30:15 AM
"...we're short a few polar bears..."



Annnnd this is why folks call your church bullshiat. Polar bear populations are UP, not down, but you lie to get a headline.

Why does your church hate science?
 
2014-03-05 10:33:38 AM

miniflea: I never saw and of those titans of intellect on the Nat Geo preppers show stockpile coffee. Seems to me if some disaster cut off any sort of international trade the stuff would eventually be more valuable than gold. Same goes for spices and whatnot.

/still on my first cup


Coffee has gotten more expensive. So much so that it's actually stolen as in the payroll scene in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
 
2014-03-05 10:35:15 AM
Drink tea then, it's better than coffee.

\It's cheaper, none of this conical grinder or milk steamer stuff
\\It's easier, boil water, put tea and water in teapot, wait a couple minutes, done. No grinding, no tamping, and no pulling
\\\Tastes better too
 
2014-03-05 10:35:44 AM
Oops, looks like there are major economic costs of not doing anything, which has been the point all along.
 
2014-03-05 10:37:56 AM

OnlyM3: "...we're short a few polar bears..."


Annnnd this is why folks call your church bullshiat. Polar bear populations are UP, not down, but you lie to get a headline.


There are distinct groups of polar bears. Most are stable. Some are in decline. As a result of the changes in their ranges due to AGW, some are trying to migrate into areas where they'll come into more contact with people. That won't end well.
 
2014-03-05 10:39:45 AM
I enjoy how the progressives are attempting to change the keywords from global warming to climate change.

That one didn't pan out eh?
 
2014-03-05 10:43:28 AM
It's ok, the Job Creators will make private domes in Jamaica to have the best coffee available.

The rest of us will have to go with soy bean coffee, or coffee from edible beans.

/Seriously
//The weather's crazy out there
///So you enjoy your polar vortex, while the rest of us roast
 
2014-03-05 10:44:36 AM
Also, this is why I mention Jamaica.
 
2014-03-05 10:44:43 AM
And the Great Lakes and Niagara Falls are frozen over and new record lows all over the place with the latest polar vortex, just like the global climate scientists predicted.
 
2014-03-05 10:46:42 AM

Gentoolive: I enjoy how the progressives are attempting to change the keywords from global warming to climate change.

That one didn't pan out eh?


Yep, that term invented by the Heartland Institute to make global warming sound more palatable to the american public, in order to keep it from being regulated, sure is from liberals trying to manipulate language.

//No one is saying the world isn't getting warmer, as a whole
 
2014-03-05 10:46:44 AM

SlothB77: And the Great Lakes and Niagara Falls are frozen over and new record lows all over the place with the latest polar vortex, just like the global climate scientists predicted.


www.washingtonpost.com
While the rest of the world is getting hotter. So that's the place where the Job Creators will set their Keep... Errr, I mean, homes.
 
2014-03-05 10:48:03 AM
goteaminternet.com

DAMMIT if I told them once, I told them a THOUSAND TIMES, STORE EXTRA COFFEE!!!!
 
2014-03-05 10:49:50 AM

CygnusDarius: SlothB77: And the Great Lakes and Niagara Falls are frozen over and new record lows all over the place with the latest polar vortex, just like the global climate scientists predicted.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x637]
While the rest of the world is getting hotter. So that's the place where the Job Creators will set their Keep... Errr, I mean, homes.


The center of that biatch is almost right over my house.  This is bullshiat.
 
2014-03-05 10:50:50 AM
Coffee from Africa is better anyway...

beta.fool.com
 
2014-03-05 10:51:13 AM

CygnusDarius: SlothB77: And the Great Lakes and Niagara Falls are frozen over and new record lows all over the place with the latest polar vortex, just like the global climate scientists predicted.

[www.washingtonpost.com image 850x637]
While the rest of the world is getting hotter. So that's the place where the Job Creators will set their Keep... Errr, I mean, homes.


Looks like some warmer areas, some colder areas and some about normal.
 
2014-03-05 10:54:27 AM

Gentoolive: I enjoy how the progressives are attempting to change the keywords from global warming to climate change.

That one didn't pan out eh?


If you can't describe the difference between "global warming" and "climate change," you don't deserve an opinion on the subject.
 
2014-03-05 10:56:40 AM

Chthonic Echoes: If you can't describe the difference between "global warming" and "climate change," you don't deserve an opinion on the subject.


There isn't one.  Climate change (as it's actually happening) is caused by the amount of heat retained by the planet increasing.  The only distinction here is that the latter term doesn't leave room for idiots to say "ha, this one place is colder than this other, so it's not really global is it?"
 
2014-03-05 10:58:46 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com

DAMMIT if I told them once, I told them a THOUSAND TIMES, STORE EXTRA COFFEE!!!!

i1.ytimg.com

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-05 10:59:17 AM

Gentoolive: I enjoy how the progressives are attempting to change the keywords from global warming to climate change.

That one didn't pan out eh?


When do you suppose the terminology changed?
 
2014-03-05 10:59:24 AM

mikemil828: Drink tea then, it's better than coffee.

\It's cheaper, none of this conical grinder or milk steamer stuff
\\It's easier, boil water, put tea and water in teapot, wait a couple minutes, done. No grinding, no tamping, and no pulling
\\\Tastes better too


On the minus side, tea makes me throw up.
 
2014-03-05 11:00:01 AM
Really, this situation is like the old joke: if we're being chased by a bear, I don't have to outrun the bear.  I just have to outrun you.

Similarly, there will still be coffee.  It will just end up in the hands of whoever is the most vicious, tyrannical warlord in the post-apocalyptic wasteland of under caffeinated misery of the future, and I plan to be the Lord Humongous of Java.
www.squidmobile.com

There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give me your beans, the grinder, the filters, and the whole coffee maker, and I'll spare your lives.
 
2014-03-05 11:02:41 AM
Damnit are you going to blame Obama for everything, submitter.
 
2014-03-05 11:05:29 AM

toraque: Really, this situation is like the old joke: if we're being chased by a bear, I don't have to outrun the bear.  I just have to outrun you.

Similarly, there will still be coffee.  It will just end up in the hands of whoever is the most vicious, tyrannical warlord in the post-apocalyptic wasteland of under caffeinated misery of the future, and I plan to be the Lord Humongous of Java.
[www.squidmobile.com image 478x253]

There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give me your beans, the grinder, the filters, and the whole coffee maker, and I'll spare your lives.


I plan to be the Yuri Orlov of coffee.

wodumedia.com

Without operations like mine it would be impossible for certain countries to brew a respectable cup of cofee. I was able to navigate around those inconvenient little bean embargoes. There are three basic types of coffee deals: white, being legal, black, being illegal, and my personal favorite color, *gray*. Sometimes I made the deal so convoluted, it was hard for *me* to work out if they were on the level.
 
Bf+
2014-03-05 11:06:49 AM

devilEther: Also heard today, there will be no more avocados in a few years due to climate change.


Precisely why I'm stockpiling avocados.
 
2014-03-05 11:06:59 AM
You know, climate change denialism is the #1 reason why I realized back in college that libertarianism is a bullshiat political ideology and drifted away from it. You can't claim to be the "rational, intellectual, and science-based political theory" and then throw scientific evidence right out the window as soon as it conflicts with an industry's profit margins.

I've since learned plenty of other reasons why libertarianism is flawed but that one was the first and most obvious deal breaker for me.
 
2014-03-05 11:10:08 AM

Bf+: devilEther: Also heard today, there will be no more avocados in a few years due to climate change.

Precisely why I'm stockpiling avocados.


You might wanna check on those. They know probably look like shriveled testicles by now.
 
2014-03-05 11:11:46 AM

ikanreed: Chthonic Echoes: If you can't describe the difference between "global warming" and "climate change," you don't deserve an opinion on the subject.

There isn't one.  Climate change (as it's actually happening) is caused by the amount of heat retained by the planet increasing.  The only distinction here is that the latter term doesn't leave room for idiots to say "ha, this one place is colder than this other, so it's not really global is it?"


You are contradicting yourself.  Global warming (i.e., the shift in thermodynamic equilibrium of the planet as a result of increased energy retention) causes (i.e., is not the same thing as, but is rather a primary driver of) climate change (long-term shifts in regional weather patterns).

The distinction is important.  We have to slow down or reverse global warming in order to mitigate climate change.  It is particularly important as local climate has shifted for reasons unrelated to global warming many times in the past, and the impact on human civilizations has been uniformly detrimental.  We have a very good idea of what will happen in many regions if we don't change our habits.

Popular ignorance of this difference (i.e. "so much for global warming!!1 lol!!1" every time it snows) is a major hurdle in getting certain segments of the population to heed the call for action.
 
2014-03-05 11:12:11 AM

Gentoolive: I enjoy how the progressives are attempting to change the keywords from global warming to climate change.

That one didn't pan out eh?


Actually it is the other way around.

It was always human created climate change, it was the peeps with the most dollars that changed the conversation to 'global warming.'

In fact lets just be realistic and admit that 'human created pollution' has an effect on our world.  POLLUTION! It use to be a big thing in the 70's and 80's until the peeps with money changed the term to 'climate change' and then to 'global warming.'

And dumb farks lap it up - as if 7 billion people can enjoy 'the good life' without there being any detrimental effects to the closed system that is the planet we call home.
 
2014-03-05 11:15:54 AM
But...but...Faux News told me global climate change is a libtarded fantasy created to destroy our economy!  It's not real!  YOU LIE!

www.economicnoise.com
 
2014-03-05 11:16:49 AM
But it's snowing in GA. How can there be global warming??
 
2014-03-05 11:17:17 AM
Wow. Polar ice is growing, polar bears have experienced a growth in population, and  the global warming alarmists still refuse to admit that there rhetoric just that, rhetoric.

Same Shiat, different day.
 
2014-03-05 11:18:26 AM

Langdon_777: Gentoolive: I enjoy how the progressives are attempting to change the keywords from global warming to climate change.

That one didn't pan out eh?

Actually it is the other way around.

It was always human created climate change, it was the peeps with the most dollars that changed the conversation to 'global warming.'

In fact lets just be realistic and admit that 'human created pollution' has an effect on our world.  POLLUTION! It use to be a big thing in the 70's and 80's until the peeps with money changed the term to 'climate change' and then to 'global warming.'

And dumb farks lap it up - as if 7 billion people can enjoy 'the good life' without there being any detrimental effects to the closed system that is the planet we call home.


Yes, and in a few more years when this planet tears itself off, we're gonna be forced to leave the planet and colonize the stars, maybe not like in Firefly, but close enough.

But guess who gets to leave the planet :/...
 
2014-03-05 11:21:23 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: And here's where the rubber meets the road, so to speak: the question is not "is ACC happening?" but rather, "When ACC happens what lengths are we willing to go to maintain our current standard of living?"

Of course, I've only had one cup of coffee so far today, so I may just stab someone in the eye socket instead.


So, the prescription according to CC zealots is to drastically lower our standard of living now in hopes of appeasing Gaia so she won't possibly based on seriously flawed and often times dishonest computer models lower our standard of living later.  For a bunch of religion haters, you farkers sure do love your CC religion.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming2.html
 
2014-03-05 11:22:05 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: And here's where the rubber meets the road, so to speak: the question is not "is ACC happening?" but rather, "When ACC happens what lengths are we willing to go to maintain our current standard of living?"

Of course, I've only had one cup of coffee so far today, so I may just stab someone in the eye socket instead.


No politician in any country is willing to do anything significant to reduce CO2 emissions if it imposes a cost now for an uncertain future benefit. Nor will they ever in future.

Please can we just enjoy our new exciting weather without wringing our hands so much?
 
2014-03-05 11:22:35 AM
Climate change is mostly black stuff?
 
2014-03-05 11:24:15 AM

OnlyM3: Annnnd this is why folks call your church bullshiat. Polar bear populations are UP, not down, but you lie to get a headline.

Why does your church hate science


There are 19 populations of polar bears. Out of the groups that have a demonstrable trend, 4 are declining, while only 1 is increasing.

Climate "skeptics" at their finest, ladies and gentlemen.

Might as well also repost the following.

The concern over polar bear numbers in the present and future is not based on one factor and one factor only. Yes, absolutely, loss of sea ice is expected to be a significant stressor. But loss of habitat due to human settlement expansion, overharvesting, pollution (e.g. heavy metals, PCBs), favored prey (ringed seal) losses due to fishing bycatch, etc. are all other, significant anthropogenic stressors that inform our concern over the future of polar bear numbers. And while Arctic sea ice decline to date has been quite rapid, it is the much larger decline if GHG emissions are not stabilized that will be so problematic for polar bears. We have seen a large reduction in sea ice extent/volume, but we're not seasonally ice free- yet. That is all but guaranteed in the absence of GHG emissions stabilization.

To reemphasize, the concern is not just with the significant, but relatively small change we've seen so far, but rather with the much larger change we would see in the absence of stabilizing GHG emissions.

This is warming from 60-90°N so far:

i.imgur.com

And this is what we could see in the absence of GHG emissions:

i.imgur.com

Note that the scale of the Y-axis has changed to capture the enormous increase in temperature.
 
2014-03-05 11:27:01 AM

dpzum1: Wow. Polar ice is growing, polar bears have experienced a growth in population, and  the global warming alarmists still refuse to admit that there rhetoric just that, rhetoric.

Same Shiat, different day.


Vey nice touch with the grammatical errors at the very end are just obvious enough. I haven't seen any of your other work before, so I'm going with an 8.5/10 for a solid rookie performance.
 
2014-03-05 11:28:00 AM
Chipotle also announced it may have to temporarily stop serving guacamole and some salsas due to effects of global warming too.
 
2014-03-05 11:30:19 AM
Yes. Coffee shortages are due to climate change, not increasing demand.
 
2014-03-05 11:30:55 AM

OnlyM3: "...we're short a few polar bears..."


Annnnd this is why folks call your church bullshiat. Polar bear populations are UP, not down, but you lie to get a headline.

Why does your church hate science?


Here's the science...

http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/where_we_work/arctic/wildlife/polar_ be ar/population/

Short answer: "Although most populations have returned to healthy numbers, there are differences between the populations. Some are stable, some seem to be increasing, and some are decreasing due to various pressures. As of 2013, 5 of 19 populations were in decline. "

They were increasing after 1973 when we all decided to stop hunting them, but in 2005 they were upgraded from Least Concern to Vulnerable.

So, the blanket statement that "Polar bear populations are UP, not down" is in fact not true.
 
2014-03-05 11:31:34 AM

Chthonic Echoes: ikanreed: Chthonic Echoes: If you can't describe the difference between "global warming" and "climate change," you don't deserve an opinion on the subject.

There isn't one.  Climate change (as it's actually happening) is caused by the amount of heat retained by the planet increasing.  The only distinction here is that the latter term doesn't leave room for idiots to say "ha, this one place is colder than this other, so it's not really global is it?"

You are contradicting yourself.  Global warming (i.e., the shift in thermodynamic equilibrium of the planet as a result of increased energy retention) causes (i.e., is not the same thing as, but is rather a primary driver of) climate change (long-term shifts in regional weather patterns).

The distinction is important.  We have to slow down or reverse global warming in order to mitigate climate change.  It is particularly important as local climate has shifted for reasons unrelated to global warming many times in the past, and the impact on human civilizations has been uniformly detrimental.  We have a very good idea of what will happen in many regions if we don't change our habits.

Popular ignorance of this difference (i.e. "so much for global warming!!1 lol!!1" every time it snows) is a major hurdle in getting certain segments of the population to heed the call for action.


Yeah, but climate change is convenient shorthand for "anthropogenic climate change" which in modern circumstances mostly represents deforestation, CO2 emissions, and CH4 emissions.  This all have a net warming effect on the planet, and it's disingenuous to pretend that basic context doesn't exist.  So calling them "one and the same" isn't a contradiction at all.
 
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