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(CNN)   SXSW organizers: I know what will really spike attendance - let's have a fugitive criminal speak at our conference   (cnn.com) divider line 135
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2014-03-04 11:33:11 PM
Hopefully the satellite signal gets traced back to whatever basement he's hiding in.
 
2014-03-04 11:35:18 PM
Dick Cheney?
 
2014-03-04 11:44:50 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Hopefully the satellite signal gets traced back to whatever basement he's hiding in.


And then what? It's a little different to go all Bin Laden raid or cruise missile on Russian soil.
 
2014-03-05 12:52:40 AM
They getting Henry Kissinger to appear?
 
2014-03-05 01:00:18 AM
Isn't it more accurate to call him a fugitive suspected criminal? I mean, doesn't protocol dictate that he's not full-fledged criminal until he's actually convicted of a crime?

/or gitmo'd
 
2014-03-05 01:22:15 AM
I think SXSW organizers are probably right.

Snowden is a hero, and people will turn out to see a hero.
 
2014-03-05 01:45:39 AM

dr_blasto: Isn't it more accurate to call him a fugitive suspected criminal? I mean, doesn't protocol dictate that he's not full-fledged criminal until he's actually convicted of a crime?

/or gitmo'd


No, he's a criminal fleeing from the law. He's not an escaped convict, if that's what you're thinking of. His status is the same as Edward Lee Howard's.
 
2014-03-05 04:44:03 AM
Like Austin needs a spike in attendance during the bloody thing. The additional population has to be like three cities superimposed on each other. No thanks.
 
2014-03-05 04:45:04 AM
Speaking from Russia?  Yeah, odds are at least one government will try to block that transmission.
 
2014-03-05 04:46:36 AM

whidbey: Like Austin needs a spike in attendance during the bloody thing. The additional population has to be like three cities superimposed on each other. No thanks.


I wish they'd move SXSW to Dallas or Houston. Let them deal with the influx of morons.
 
2014-03-05 04:51:07 AM
HotWingAgenda:

No, he's a criminal fleeing from the law. He's not an escaped convict, if that's what you're thinking of. His status is the same as Edward Lee Howard's.

After reading the Wikipedia article I'm guessing that his demise wasn't an accident...

Back to the topic of the article my guess was Assata Shakur, I was wrong.  If this were the Oscars or a film festival I'd have guessed Roman Polanski.
 
2014-03-05 04:52:12 AM
A kid's con with a kid hero? O, my.
 
2014-03-05 04:54:03 AM

Prey4reign: They getting Henry Kissinger to appear?


This is funny.  Also given the current events going on another good guess would be the deposed former President of the Ukraine.
 
2014-03-05 04:54:21 AM

untaken_name: whidbey: Like Austin needs a spike in attendance during the bloody thing. The additional population has to be like three cities superimposed on each other. No thanks.

I wish they'd move SXSW to Dallas or Houston. Let them deal with the influx of morons.


Not a bad idea. Houston would declare Hipster Hunting Season, and Dallas could expand Deep Ellum with a bunch of fake bar fronts. Anything left over send to Ft. Worth.
 
2014-03-05 05:00:07 AM
One mans criminal is another mans hero.

img.fark.net

/Just sayin.
 
2014-03-05 05:00:24 AM
Remember when SXSW meant something?
 
2014-03-05 05:01:28 AM
2Pac?
 
2014-03-05 05:05:12 AM
If Bush were in office, how many of you would be saying that Snowden was a criminal?

/be honest
 
2014-03-05 05:06:22 AM
"FOR THE LAST TIME, IT WAS A ONE-ARMED MAN THAT KILLED MY WIFE!!!"
 
2014-03-05 05:10:06 AM
It was only a matter of time until he started trying to cash in...

Of course there's no telling how much he cashed in already by selling information and secrets to foreign nations...
 
2014-03-05 05:11:51 AM

robohobo: Remember when SXSW meant something?


It means "South by Southwest".  TMYK.
 
2014-03-05 05:13:24 AM

garron: If Bush were in office, how many of you would be saying that Snowden was a criminal?

/be honest


o/

Treason is treason no matter who the current president happens to be. You think there were people claiming Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen deserved to be called heroes just because they were caught when a democrat was president?
 
2014-03-05 05:16:37 AM

Alphax: Speaking from Russia?  Yeah, odds are at least one government will try to block that transmission.


They'll just borrow a porn chat line.
 
2014-03-05 05:17:51 AM
Holy crap, when did Fark turn into a bunch of NSA sycophants? The NSA isn't going to sleep with you, guys.
 
2014-03-05 05:19:06 AM

parahaps: Holy crap, when did Fark turn into a bunch of NSA sycophants? The NSA isn't going to sleep with you, guys.


Are you new? NSA equals FedGov. Fark LOVES the FedGov, so long as the right man is sitting in the oval office.
 
2014-03-05 05:28:13 AM

Old Man Winter: A kid's con with a kid hero? O, my.


speaking of kids
appears you now have an excuse to play WOW

http://rt.com/news/nsa-uk-spy-world-warcraft-942/

bit from article:
The NSA had so many agents inside the games that a special "de-confliction" group was set up to make sure they wouldn't hamper each other's operations.
If analyzed properly, the online games can become a major source of intelligence data, the unnamed author of the paper stressed.
 
2014-03-05 05:42:00 AM

parahaps: Holy crap, when did Fark turn into a bunch of NSA sycophants? The NSA isn't going to sleep with you, guys.


On the other hand, Snowden might sleep with you.

In all seriousness, though, I don't view him as a hero. He exposed NSA spying on Americans, which didn't bother me too much, but I see it as a good thing that it got curtailed. However, he exposed NSA spying on foreign leaders, which is their job and is 100% appropriate. So as far as I'm concerned, he's a criminal. He should come back and face a jury trial, which will most likely be hung, and he'll get off. But until he come back and faces his peers and explains what he did and why, he's no hero.
 
2014-03-05 05:58:00 AM

HotWingAgenda: garron: If Bush were in office, how many of you would be saying that Snowden was a criminal?

/be honest

o/

Treason is treason no matter who the current president happens to be. You think there were people claiming Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen deserved to be called heroes just because they were caught when a democrat was president?


Exposing the illegal, unconstitutional activities of a government that answerable to The People at all times is not in any way, shape or form treason. Especially when those activities have a direct affect on the freedom and privacy of The People. Snowden has carefully and selectively (unlike Manning) exposed betrayals of American values and principles by the very government meant to uphold those values and principles. Had he not done so, those violations would have continued entirely unchecked for god knows how long, and very likely until they became irreversible.

Anyone who thinks that's a bad thing, can you give any reasonable explanation as to why? Do you prefer the alternative? The unexamined, unchecked, unhindered power of the NSA and similar agencies to do whatever the hell they damn well please with the rubber stamp of the FISA courts? Do you honestly think the (slight) reforms that have begun in the wake of Snowden are not a good thing?
 
2014-03-05 05:59:13 AM

garron: If Bush were in office, how many of you would be saying that Snowden was a criminal?

/be honest


It isn't so much the number of people who would be calling him a hero. It's the political alignment. See, best as I can tell the political right is hailing Snowden as a hero. But under a Republican president, the right would be screaming for his head because how dare he cast perfectly good programs in a bad light.
 
2014-03-05 05:59:55 AM
A Snowden speaking event there is not going to change the types of the people attending SXSW, only the numbers, just sayin'
 
2014-03-05 06:00:16 AM
It's the Pentagon Papers all over again.
 
2014-03-05 06:00:18 AM

Publikwerks: However, he exposed NSA spying on foreign leaders, which is their job and is 100% appropriate.


Wut? Would you defend Germans spying on Obama? Or is it only OK when "we" do it?
 
2014-03-05 06:03:23 AM

parahaps: Holy crap, when did Fark turn into a bunch of NSA sycophants? The NSA isn't going to sleep with you, guys.


Crossposted in the containment politics tab. Good luck!
 
2014-03-05 06:06:03 AM

100 Watt Walrus: HotWingAgenda: garron: If Bush were in office, how many of you would be saying that Snowden was a criminal?

/be honest

o/

Treason is treason no matter who the current president happens to be. You think there were people claiming Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen deserved to be called heroes just because they were caught when a democrat was president?

Exposing the illegal, unconstitutional activities of a government that answerable to The People at all times is not in any way, shape or form treason. Especially when those activities have a direct affect on the freedom and privacy of The People. Snowden has carefully and selectively (unlike Manning) exposed betrayals of American values and principles by the very government meant to uphold those values and principles. Had he not done so, those violations would have continued entirely unchecked for god knows how long, and very likely until they became irreversible.

Anyone who thinks that's a bad thing, can you give any reasonable explanation as to why? Do you prefer the alternative? The unexamined, unchecked, unhindered power of the NSA and similar agencies to do whatever the hell they damn well please with the rubber stamp of the FISA courts? Do you honestly think the (slight) reforms that have begun in the wake of Snowden are not a good thing?


See, that's the thing. More power to anyone/thing that can hurt the federal government, but Snowden is a blip at best. There are undoubtedly acronym organizations beyond the NSA doing the same and worse. We're ridiculously beyond having hope to fight such agencies. That's just how it is. Governments spy, control, ensure their own success, and get in a mans way. End of story. End the NSA, there are all kinds of alphabet agencies doing the same kind of thing, with the added benefit of you not knowing who they are. That's the nature of things when folk, lulz, vote others to tell people what to think and how to live. We deserve nothing less.
 
2014-03-05 06:10:45 AM

robohobo: See, that's the thing. More power to anyone/thing that can hurt the federal government, but Snowden is a blip at best. There are undoubtedly acronym organizations beyond the NSA doing the same and worse. We're ridiculously beyond having hope to fight such agencies. That's just how it is. Governments spy, control, ensure their own success, and get in a mans way. End of story. End the NSA, there are all kinds of alphabet agencies doing the same kind of thing, with the added benefit of you not knowing who they are. That's the nature of things when folk, lulz, vote others to tell people what to think and how to live. We deserve nothing less.


I remember hearing that the original proposal for the DHS was that it replace all the other agencies, removing redundancies and reducing lack of communication.

I haven't noticed any agencies disappearing.
 
2014-03-05 06:15:21 AM

100 Watt Walrus: Publikwerks: However, he exposed NSA spying on foreign leaders, which is their job and is 100% appropriate.

Wut? Would you defend Germans spying on Obama? Or is it only OK when "we" do it?


Would I defend it? Not particularly. Would I expect it? You bet your ass.
 
2014-03-05 06:18:50 AM

maram500: garron: If Bush were in office, how many of you would be saying that Snowden was a criminal?

/be honest

It isn't so much the number of people who would be calling him a hero. It's the political alignment. See, best as I can tell the political right is hailing Snowden as a hero. But under a Republican president, the right would be screaming for his head because how dare he cast perfectly good programs in a bad light.


I'm a lefty and was happy he exposed the NSA's shenanigans. However, like mentioned above, I'm willing to bet it goes far beyond what the NSA was doing. Short of shutting down the webs, I don't see any way to really put a dent in it.
 
2014-03-05 06:19:11 AM
Was the topic "how to reduce the carbon footprint of our ethnically diverse disability access policy for single parent mothers?"
 
2014-03-05 06:23:27 AM

HotWingAgenda: dr_blasto: Isn't it more accurate to call him a fugitive suspected criminal? I mean, doesn't protocol dictate that he's not full-fledged criminal until he's actually convicted of a crime?

/or gitmo'd

No, he's a criminal fleeing from the law. He's not an escaped convict, if that's what you're thinking of. His status is the same as Edward Lee Howard's.


I know a retarded guy who also claims that Snowden is a criminal. In his black and white world all he can see is that Snowden did something that appears to have broken a law. He can't even fathom that the law Snowden allegedly broke could in and of itself be unconstitutional.
 
2014-03-05 06:24:48 AM

Alphax: I haven't noticed any agencies disappearing.


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-05 06:27:00 AM

parahaps: Holy crap, when did Fark turn into a bunch of NSA sycophants? The NSA isn't going to sleep with you, guys.


Well, people are just trying to be nice to the spooks who are paid to watch them masturbate.

And submittard is a troll. A lousy one.
 
2014-03-05 06:34:50 AM

HotWingAgenda: dr_blasto: Isn't it more accurate to call him a fugitive suspected criminal? I mean, doesn't protocol dictate that he's not full-fledged criminal until he's actually convicted of a crime?

/or gitmo'd

No, he's a criminal fleeing from the law. He's not an escaped convict, if that's what you're thinking of. His status is the same as Edward Lee Howard's.


Dead?
 
2014-03-05 06:35:10 AM

way south: One mans criminal is another mans hero.

[img.fark.net image 650x330]

/Just sayin.




Morgan Freeman is pretty awesome.
 
2014-03-05 06:35:34 AM

100 Watt Walrus: Exposing the illegal, unconstitutional activities of a government that answerable to The People at all times is not in any way, shape or form treason. Especially when those activities have a direct affect on the freedom and privacy of The People. Snowden has carefully and selectively (unlike Manning) exposed betrayals of American values and principles by the very government meant to uphold those values and principles. Had he not done so, those violations would have continued entirely unchecked for god knows how long, and very likely until they became irreversible.

Anyone who thinks that's a bad thing, can you give any reasonable explanation as to why? Do you prefer the alternative? The unexamined, unchecked, unhindered power of the NSA and similar agencies to do whatever the hell they damn well please with the rubber stamp of the FISA courts? Do you honestly think the (slight) reforms that have begun in the wake of Snowden are not a good thing?


That's one half of what he did, he's a traitor for the rest of the stuff he's been releasing.  Do you acquit a murderer because they also rescued a cat out of a tree that same day?
 
2014-03-05 06:43:41 AM
I totally believe that what Snowden did was the right thing, but I just have to ask why those of the opposing view haven't taken to calling people in favor of Snowden for snowballers?

I mean, it is just sitting right there in front of you guys.


/Could it be related to a lack of imagination?
//Which incidently is integral to making realistic prognoses for the future.
 
2014-03-05 06:52:26 AM

parahaps: Holy crap, when did Fark turn into a bunch of NSA sycophants? The NSA isn't going to sleep with you, guys.


Oh, Fark hates the NSA. However, they seem to hate attention whores posing as as heroes for the people even more. If Snowden was for the people and didn't care about his own life but the truth getting out, he would have dumped all the info out by now. But it seems as soon as his name falls out of the news cycles, that's when he let's the press release secret information.
 
2014-03-05 07:06:20 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Hopefully the satellite signal gets traced back to whatever basement he's hiding in.


NSA has been trying to 'trace' back signals to locations of Russian spies for like.. a super long time
 
2014-03-05 07:09:24 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I think SXSW organizers are probably right.

Snowden is a hero, and people will turn out to see a hero.


1/10...way too obvious
 
2014-03-05 07:12:58 AM
What happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?

He hasn't been convicted in a court of law by a jury of his peers yet.
 
2014-03-05 07:16:01 AM

garron: That's one half of what he did, he's a traitor for the rest of the stuff he's been releasing.  Do you acquit a murderer because they also rescued a cat out of a tree that same day?


Of course.

Also, fedoras make me look cool, and bitcoin can only increase in value.
 
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