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(My Fox DC)   For more than 90 years, the Peace Cross has stood in Maryland's Prince Georges County to honor the lives of 49 local soldiers who died in the First World War. Enter atheists   (myfoxdc.com ) divider line
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2014-03-05 12:36:06 AM  
Let's all agree that there will be douchebags in the world of all stripes. Let us not try to quantify which sides are more douchebaggy than others.

Also, if your daughters see a cross in a park and ask, "Why is it that government supports Christianity?" It means that their parents are psychos.
 
2014-03-05 12:41:19 AM  
Deed that little piece of land and the cross to the local VFW

/now private property
//now tax write-off
///now STFU and GBTW
 
2014-03-05 12:41:31 AM  
ATTACK ON CHRIST CONTINUES!  HE SHALL RETURN ONE DAY TO JUDGE ALL.  WOE BE UNTO THEE FOUND WANTING.
 
2014-03-05 12:51:13 AM  

Fubini: Let's all agree that there will be douchebags in the world of all stripes. Let us not try to quantify which sides are more douchebaggy than others.

Also, if your daughters see a cross in a park and ask, "Why is it that government supports Christianity?" It means that their parents are psychos.


As an atheist, I support and agree with this message.

Second a cross is a secular symbol of a memorial for the dead in this society. This is a memorial for soldiers-not Christianity.

I honestly think there are better government sponsor religion than this symbol.
 
2014-03-05 12:52:18 AM  
 
2014-03-05 12:53:22 AM  
Atheist, Christian; whatever.

It's douchebags I can't stand. Douchebags like the people in this article.

We should blast them with a firehose pumping out expired mayonaise.
 
2014-03-05 01:04:41 AM  

doglover: Atheist, Christian; whatever.

It's douchebags I can't stand. Douchebags like the people in this article.

We should blast them with a firehose pumping out expired mayonaise.


Wow. Great imagery. You should submit that kind of stuff to a few writing contests.

A lesser author that failed to grasp the concept of "show, not tell" would have just said we need to cover them in malodorous goo.
 
2014-03-05 01:12:14 AM  
Well, can you blame the humanists? Just across the border in Virginia, a group of whiny Koreans got their local government to change the name of the Sea of Japan to East Sea.

It's the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
 
2014-03-05 01:52:57 AM  

nmrsnr: While not definitive, since it ultimately got remanded to the lower court, in a similar case involving a cross in a state park '"Writing for the plurality of the court, Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote, "The goal of avoiding governmental endorsement [of religion] does not require eradication of all religious symbols in the public realm".'


You're right, that's not definitive, and is likely to be reconsidered in the near future.

Considering the Mt. Soledad Cross in California, also a blatantly Christian monument on public land:

In January 2011, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled the cross unconstitutional. Judge McKeown wrote for the court, "Overall, a reasonable observer viewing the Memorial would be confronted with an initial dedication for religious purposes, its long history of religious use, widespread public recognition of the Cross as a Christian symbol, and the history of religious discrimination in La Jolla." It was a unanimous decision.
 
2014-03-05 01:57:12 AM  

HotWingAgenda: nmrsnr: While not definitive, since it ultimately got remanded to the lower court, in a similar case involving a cross in a state park '"Writing for the plurality of the court, Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote, "The goal of avoiding governmental endorsement [of religion] does not require eradication of all religious symbols in the public realm".'

You're right, that's not definitive, and is likely to be reconsidered in the near future.

Considering the Mt. Soledad Cross in California, also a blatantly Christian monument on public land:

In January 2011, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled the cross unconstitutional. Judge McKeown wrote for the court, "Overall, a reasonable observer viewing the Memorial would be confronted with an initial dedication for religious purposes, its long history of religious use, widespread public recognition of the Cross as a Christian symbol, and the history of religious discrimination in La Jolla." It was a unanimous decision.


Wait, minor correction: The US Supreme Court denied certiorari for an appeal of that 9th Cir. opinion above, letting the ruling of "unconstitutional" stand. So they won't be reconsidering it.
 
2014-03-05 02:27:54 AM  

Fubini: doglover: Atheist, Christian; whatever.

It's douchebags I can't stand. Douchebags like the people in this article.

We should blast them with a firehose pumping out expired mayonaise.

Wow. Great imagery. You should submit that kind of stuff to a few writing contests.

A lesser author that failed to grasp the concept of "show, not tell" would have just said we need to cover them in malodorous goo.


www.dare-up-your-party.com
 
2014-03-05 06:35:25 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Deed that little piece of land and the cross to the local VFW

/now private property
//now tax write-off
///now STFU and GBTW


You mean the park, or the parcel of ground under the cross? Case law exists from another cross where they tried to deed just the ground under the cross, but it got messy. And to divest the town of the park there would have to be an open bidding process, otherwise it becomes fraud.
 
2014-03-05 06:37:52 AM  
Just cut the horizontal extensions off. Make it a memorial pole. Problem solved
 
2014-03-05 06:38:41 AM  
Wake me when atheists are picketing soldier funerals with homophobic hate speech.

In the meantime, outrage level: meh.
 
2014-03-05 06:39:15 AM  
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2014-03-05 06:41:48 AM  
Roy Speckhardt, executive director of the American Humanist Association, said in an interview, "Well, I know if I lived in that town..."

He doesn't even live there.  Asshole.
 
2014-03-05 06:42:26 AM  

DubyaHater: Just cut the horizontal extensions off. Make it a memorial pole. Problem solved


Then shove pole up humanists asses.
 
2014-03-05 06:43:41 AM  
My.  That's a big one.
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-05 06:46:26 AM  
media.cleveland.com

That's one down. Good job atheists.
 
2014-03-05 06:47:50 AM  
Im sure the war dead will be most upset about this turn of events.
 
2014-03-05 06:48:09 AM  
doglover:We should blast them with a firehose pumping out expired mayonaise.

I saw that film. Peter North was in it, as I recall.
 
2014-03-05 06:49:47 AM  
"For nearly 90 years, the concrete and stone Peace Cross has stood at a busy crossroads in Bladensburg. On a metal plaque at its base are inscribed the names of the 49 men from Prince George's County who lost their lives in service to their country in (what was then known as) The Great War -- World War I."

So, this is basically this is the monument to fallen soldiers for this town - a cenotaph.

I thought pretty much every town has one of these in the center of town, and every November 11 or Memorial day there would be a solemn parade down Main st ending with laying of a wreath by one of the veterans.

These monuments are pretty much hands off.

Haven't the humanists got better things to do (r.g. fighting douchebags that want to teach creationism in school)  than try to move a freakin' cenotaph? Haven't they learned of the Streisand effect?
 
2014-03-05 06:50:21 AM  
Kind of a dick move.
 
2014-03-05 06:51:10 AM  

jaybeezey: DubyaHater: Just cut the horizontal extensions off. Make it a memorial pole. Problem solved

Then shove pole up humanists asses.


I'm not getting the hate and douchebag labeling on the humanists. If I were to take a side in the humanist vs. fundy christian fued, I'd have to go with the humanists.

So if you please, explain why you have a problem with this group and their efforts to enforce separation of church and state.
 
2014-03-05 06:53:39 AM  
I'm torn two ways about this. I don't like jerks who make big deals out of every little thing.
On the other hand, I really like the First Amendment, and the Constitution, a whole lot.
Sometimes, when an asshole insists upon observing the letter of the law - they're right.
Final conclusion: meh.
 
2014-03-05 06:56:12 AM  
I think it's pretty tacky that they buried all of those guys there in the first place.
 
2014-03-05 07:01:56 AM  

kronicfeld: Im sure the war dead will be most upset about this turn of events.


That would make a good zombie movie.
 
2014-03-05 07:02:45 AM  
Retards abounding.

/Atheist.
//Americans embarrass me, in general.
 
2014-03-05 07:03:09 AM  

DubyaHater: Just cut the horizontal extensions off. Make it a memorial pole. Problem solved


Festivus has a pole. Don't drag your religion into festivus and ruin it
 
2014-03-05 07:03:30 AM  
You know what pisses me off? Red light cameras.
 
2014-03-05 07:07:40 AM  
I don't think we should be farking with memorials some 90 years after they were erected.

There is one in my town where they have the "colored" and "white" soilders listed seperately. Something that is totally unacceptabel today, but you don't want to change it because it is a part of histroy and something to learn from.
 
2014-03-05 07:08:34 AM  

liam76: I don't think we should be farking with memorials some 90 years after they were erected.

There is one in my town where they have the "colored" and "white" soilders listed seperately. Something that is totally unacceptabel today, but you don't want to change it because it is a part of histroy and something to learn from.


This. Thank you.
 
2014-03-05 07:12:53 AM  

PreMortem: jaybeezey: DubyaHater: Just cut the horizontal extensions off. Make it a memorial pole. Problem solved

Then shove pole up humanists asses.

I'm not getting the hate and douchebag labeling on the humanists. If I were to take a side in the humanist vs. fundy christian fued, I'd have to go with the humanists.

So if you please, explain why you have a problem with this group and their efforts to enforce separation of church and state.


It is the "memorial to dead soldiers" part. People will defend almost anything if it is a memorial to dead soldiers.

Also, maybe memorials in general. When something was made to remind people of someone who died, people get emotionally attached to it.

Although I generally support the removal of religious symbols from public property, this is a terrible choice of target. Doesn't matter whether they win or lose this one, they are just going to piss people off.
 
2014-03-05 07:15:12 AM  
Religion of peace strikes again! Wait... no... It doesn't. non-rel.. ah fark it.
 
2014-03-05 07:16:27 AM  
I demand all traffic signs be removed. They have no religious affiliation and therefore represent a government endorsement of atheism.
 
2014-03-05 07:16:38 AM  

PreMortem: I'm not getting the hate and douchebag labeling on the humanists. If I were to take a side in the humanist vs. fundy christian fued, I'd have to go with the humanists.


Fundy Christians aren't in this feud. This is the humanists suing a municipal park commission to have a war memorial removed because they believe it's possible that at some future point, the shape of this war memorial could be construed to be an endorsement of one religion over another. Nobody has complained about it for nearly a century now, but someone drove by it and decided to turn it into a lawsuit.  And the spokesman on the lawsuit doesn't even live in the town where it's located.

I'm all for separation of church and state, and oppose political figures who try to legislate their religion (nearly always Christianity) onto anybody.But these guys are being contentious douchebags and making a mountain out of a cross-shaped mole hill.
 
2014-03-05 07:17:02 AM  

PreMortem: jaybeezey: DubyaHater: Just cut the horizontal extensions off. Make it a memorial pole. Problem solved

Then shove pole up humanists asses.

I'm not getting the hate and douchebag labeling on the humanists. If I were to take a side in the humanist vs. fundy christian fued, I'd have to go with the humanists.

So if you please, explain why you have a problem with this group and their efforts to enforce separation of church and state.


Well, i can't speak for the others, but the reason I have a problem with these particular people is because they are missing the point.A cenotaph is not an endorsement of a religion.
 
2014-03-05 07:21:11 AM  
Why don't they replace the cross with a statue of a soldier with his limbs blown off as a memorial to how these people died.
 
2014-03-05 07:21:20 AM  
The problem with this is there is no way to verify all the WWI soldiers this Christian memorial is memorializing were Christians. What if some of them were Jewish, or *gasp*, atheists? If I were a dead WWI atheist, my family would be pretty pissed there wasn't a Flying Spaghetti Monster hanging from the cross.
 
2014-03-05 07:22:13 AM  

Muta: Why don't they replace the cross with a statue of a soldier with his limbs blown off as a memorial to how these people died.


In a way, the current design is sort of a Brutalist interpretation of exactly that.
 
2014-03-05 07:24:54 AM  
I'm tired of people. All of them. If they don't believe what you believe, who cares? Live your own life. Think what you think, love who you love, be who you are, but just shut the fark up about it.
Don't think or love what other people do? Don't like who they are?  Shut the fark up about it.
 
2014-03-05 07:26:52 AM  
1.  They are not real atheists.
2.  There is precedent for religious memorials to be displayed on public land, so they will lose.
3.  There is no #4.
 
2014-03-05 07:29:07 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: As an atheist, I support and agree with this message.

Second a cross is a secular symbol of a memorial for the dead in this society.


...if you think a cross is a secular symbol in this society:

1) You are completely unaware of the meaning of the word atheist;
2) You are completely unaware of the history of Christians in America; and
3) Likely one of those people who think there are things like Atheist Priests in Atheists Churches without knowing what any of those words actually mean.

It's really tragic when religious people pretend to be atheists just to hit on people who don't believe in their little fairy tales.

There are plenty of other shapes one could use without promoting a religion and still honor the fallen.
 
2014-03-05 07:29:29 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: a cross is a secular symbol of a memorial for the dead in this society. This is a memorial for soldiers-not Christianity.


The secular cross is a Roman torture device and a weird symbol to use to honor fallen soldiers.
 
2014-03-05 07:36:30 AM  

DLinds: I'm tired of people. All of them. If they don't believe what you believe, who cares? Live your own life. Think what you think, love who you love, be who you are, but just shut the fark up about it.
Don't think or love what other people do? Don't like who they are?  Shut the fark up about it.


So as long as it does not affect you at this moment dont say anything? You know that is a sure fire way to ensure it will affect you in the future...
 
2014-03-05 07:37:25 AM  

Prey4reign: ATTACK ON CHRIST CONTINUES!  HE SHALL RETURN ONE DAY TO JUDGE ALL.  WOE BE UNTO THEE FOUND WANTING.


Ancient Aliens always say that too. Hmmmmm.
 
2014-03-05 07:41:32 AM  
Don't atheists always say "If your faith is so strong why do you need to ban or hide everything that challenges it?"   Well, if your atheism is so strong.....
 
2014-03-05 07:44:05 AM  

Slappy McLongstockings: ...if you think a cross is a secular symbol in this society:


Athiest here, I see a cross alone somewhere I immediately think somebody is buried there, or it is a memorial.


Slappy McLongstockings: There are plenty of other shapes one could use without promoting a religion and still honor the fallen


Name me a shape that most people would recognize as such at first guess.

Name me one that would have been in use 90 years ago when this memorial was made.
 
2014-03-05 07:45:04 AM  
Next up force cities and counties with religious names to change their names:

Corpus Christi

Sacramento

Sault Sainte Marie

Saint Cloud

Saint Paul

Saint Louis

Saint Petersburg

San Francisco

San Diego

San Antonio

Los Angeles

Santa Barbara

San Bernadino

Saint Augustine

Bethlehem

Las Cruces

Providence

Christian County, MO

Holy Cross Mountain

etc, etc, etc


Then include rivers, structures such as bridges over those same rivers etc.
 
2014-03-05 07:46:28 AM  
Enter the Atheists was a pretty dissapointing Bruce Lee movie...
 
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