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(Daily Mail)   New parents take infant to swanky ski resort and are appalled to find anonymous note under their door addressing their screaming baby, selfishness, lack of common sense and neighbors' ruined sleep. Naturally they run to the media   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 221
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2014-03-05 12:18:54 AM
A "swanky" ski resort without soundproofing sounds like a euphemism for a cheap hotel. Loud TVs, loud sex, loud parties, etc. all generate noise otherwise.

Alternately, call the front desk and ask for earplugs.
 
2014-03-05 12:38:02 AM
I think bringing the baby as more of survival tactic.

If they were to get lost or explore off the main ski runs and lose their way, they may need the offspring for nutrition until they get rescued.
 
2014-03-05 01:21:28 AM
Their next vacation destination will likely be a two week cruise to nowhere.  The baby squawls might help drown out the sounds associated with projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea of norovirus suffering shipmates.
 
2014-03-05 01:29:35 AM
I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters. There are stories like this where parents are taking their babies to places inappropriate for them.

Being a parent means making some sacrifices. But somehow, somewhere along the line that concept was thrown out and parents just became selfish, self-centered brats for whom the baby is just an accessory to be gawked at by strangers.
 
2014-03-05 01:54:31 AM
I saw this and had to check to see if it was Colorado...of course it was.
 
2014-03-05 01:57:20 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening.


That's stupid.

I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters.

There's nothing wrong with that, though. Babysitting isn't a new concept.

Being a parent means making some sacrifices. But somehow, somewhere along the line that concept was thrown out and parents just became selfish, self-centered brats for whom the baby is just an accessory to be gawked at by strangers.

I think I already subscribe to your blog.
 
2014-03-05 02:02:16 AM
Back when the third LOTR came out I went to to 10:00 PM showing, and a couple of breeders had their 3 kids with them. The oldest kid was maybe 8, and the littlest was a baby.

/Some people.
 
2014-03-05 02:02:50 AM
While I agree with the author's premise, the grammar in that letter is atrocious.
 
2014-03-05 02:03:41 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening.


If I had a dollar for every time I see an infant or toddler being dragged along by its parents for dinner at 9pm, I'd be a rich sonofabiatch. I was in IHOP last week--because I wanted pancakes at 3am, and so did my friends--and there was an otherwise lovely couple just sitting there with a kid in a car seat. I swear I not only smelled shiat, but that kid started screaming about half an hour after I sat down.

Why is it not legal to beat a small child with a syrup dispenser? Why?!
 
2014-03-05 02:06:45 AM
I'd turn the TV up full blast before I left for the day of skiing. Now, if we can do something about the yappy dogs keeping me up at night.
/Ah, the gun cabinet beckons.
 
2014-03-05 02:06:56 AM
Yeah. Having children means making sacrifices. Too many parents have the 'my child is special and belongs everywhere at all times' mentality.

You can't have it both ways.
 
2014-03-05 02:07:03 AM
Haven't we learned that most of these 'notes' are fake?
 
2014-03-05 02:13:44 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters. There are stories like this where parents are taking their babies to places inappropriate for them.

Being a parent means making some sacrifices. But somehow, somewhere along the line that concept was thrown out and parents just became selfish, self-centered brats for whom the baby is just an accessory to be gawked at by strangers.


I know a couple that pawned the baby off on it's great grandmother so they could go camping, two weeks after the child was born.

Of course my own child's initial sleeping habits meant shopping happened at the 24 hour grocery store at 11pm some days, because we'd sleep when he slept those first few months.  He was a night owl.

Some parents need slack, others need a smack upside the head.  Difficult to tell which needs what though unless you're close to them.
 
2014-03-05 02:17:35 AM
Colorado = high class people that they are the only people on earth.


/been in Colorado a zillion time.
 
2014-03-05 02:19:09 AM
Crap...what happen when I drink too much.

Forgot the word "think"...


Yea... I am thinking too, thank you very much.
 
2014-03-05 02:24:35 AM

orangehat: I saw this and had to check to see if it was Colorado...of course it was.


Yup.
 
2014-03-05 02:28:02 AM
Fubini: A "swanky" ski resort without soundproofing sounds like a euphemism for a cheap hotel. Loud TVs, loud sex, loud parties, etc. all generate noise otherwise.

Yup... About sums it up.

Alternately, call the front desk and ask for earplugs.

This... not so much.
 
2014-03-05 02:28:38 AM
I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.
 
2014-03-05 02:29:31 AM
probably written by a snowboarder
 
2014-03-05 02:31:52 AM
In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?

The idea that you can't say anything to anybody else's kids and you should take offense if someone notices your child is screaming their head off in public is leading to spoiled, self-centered little assholes who put no value in being considerate to others.
 
2014-03-05 02:32:47 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Back when the third LOTR came out I went to to 10:00 PM showing, and a couple of breeders had their 3 kids with them. The oldest kid was maybe 8, and the littlest was a baby.

/Some people.


I went to a midnight screening of The Two Towers, and there was a rowdy group down front being obnoxious when the movie was starting. Some dude near the back stood up and screamed in the most pissed off voice I'd ever heard "WOULD YOU SHUT THE F*CK UP?"

/boring story bro
 
2014-03-05 02:34:20 AM

Smokey the Bare: Fubini: A "swanky" ski resort without soundproofing sounds like a euphemism for a cheap hotel. Loud TVs, loud sex, loud parties, etc. all generate noise otherwise.

Yup... About sums it up.

Alternately, call the front desk and ask for earplugs.

This... not so much.


I keep ear plugs handy when I travel and don't let the little stuff bother me.

It's all little stuff.
 
2014-03-05 02:36:01 AM

Bathysphere: orangehat: I saw this and had to check to see if it was Colorado...of course it was.

Yup.


Maybe our legal weed will chill these mo'farkers out.   Doubt it.
 
2014-03-05 02:36:48 AM
Oh good, a "hate the breeders" thread.  These are always funny.
 
2014-03-05 02:37:12 AM

MustardTiger: I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.


Have you ever seen a jelly fish eating a baby?  Me either.  But I bet that's pretty awesome.
 
2014-03-05 02:39:23 AM

MustardTiger: I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.


As the parent of a (sometimes) screaming child, I wouldn't take a newborn on a ski trip anyway (which is why her savings account has been nicknamed 'Kauai' on my online banking page) but if I HAD to, I would have asked for a room where we were less likely to bother neighbors. If they were still bothered, I'd have them take it up with management. Passing a note under my door is a good way to get a stinky-diaper booby trap installed over your door


/she's 6mos. old
//so were you, once
///all of us were
 
2014-03-05 02:39:52 AM

piltdown: Oh good, a "hate the breeders" thread.  These are always funny.


I don't get these threads.  Seether was a great song.
 
2014-03-05 02:41:28 AM

elguerodiablo: MustardTiger: I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.

Have you ever seen a jelly fish eating a baby?  Me either.  But I bet that's pretty awesome.


You'd have better luck with a squid, jellyfish don't really have the means to masticate (which I assume is the part you want to see)
 
2014-03-05 02:43:24 AM

ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?

The idea that you can't say anything to anybody else's kids and you should take offense if someone notices your child is screaming their head off in public is leading to spoiled, self-centered little assholes who put no value in being considerate to others.


So... Americans, basically.
 
2014-03-05 02:44:24 AM
Leave the crotch fruit at home assholes!
 
2014-03-05 02:44:52 AM

ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?



I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.
 
2014-03-05 02:47:52 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Back when the third LOTR came out I went to to 10:00 PM showing, and a couple of breeders had their 3 kids with them. The oldest kid was maybe 8, and the littlest was a baby.

/Some people.


breeders huh

im guessing you are not
keep it up - i thank you
 
2014-03-05 02:51:35 AM

elguerodiablo: piltdown: Oh good, a "hate the breeders" thread.  These are always funny.

I don't get these threads.  Seether was a great song.


"Seether" was Veruca Salt.
 
2014-03-05 02:53:45 AM

elguerodiablo: MustardTiger: I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.

Have you ever seen a jelly fish eating a baby?  Me either.  But I bet that's pretty awesome.


Actually, I have... It was pretty awesome.
 
2014-03-05 02:54:26 AM

SeaMan Stainz: Leave the crotch fruit at home assholes!


It takes a village to raise a child, so man up and do your part, Villager.
 
2014-03-05 02:56:42 AM
I have kids myself, and let me tell you this: that letter is not very effective.

What would be effective would be to wait for the kid to finally fall asleep, wait 5 minutes, and then start playing loud music and bang on the walls.

/Any weapon can be turned against it's owner
 
2014-03-05 02:57:34 AM
I personally love people who bring their screaming toddlers to steak houses(or any sit down restaurants).  McDonalds sure.  But not nice places where people actually want to sit down and have a reasonably peaceful meal.  Those sort of people don't exactly care once the kids act up, don't do a damn thing about it, and have no shame nor consideration of others.

Sure people want to eat somewhere nice now and then.  Even parents.  But for that you leave the kids with relatives or a babysitter when they are that young or if you cannot otherwise control them.  It is a very simple matter of courtesy to OTHER people.  Just because you are used to the 24/7 screaming (and ignoring it to boot) doesn't mean everyone else should be expected to deal with it as well.

I think the note was quite warranted.  My only issue is that these things should be said plainly to their face not with a note.  I mean what is that... grade school?

Yeah the place was probably cheap, but that is no particular excuse for the parents.  You don't rely on construction materials to make up for your own lack of courtesy and foresight.
 
2014-03-05 03:07:32 AM
ambercat:

www.netbrawl.com



In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


The idea that you can't say anything to anybody else's kids and you should take offense if someone notices your child is screaming their head off in public is leading to spoiled, self-centered little assholes who put no value in being considerate to others.

 
2014-03-05 03:08:11 AM
I'd just call the cops and say, "I don't know what's been going on, but there has been this terrible screaming coming from there for the last hour. I think you need to check it out."

By the time the hotel management caught wind of it, they would have moved the couple and their rugrat to another part of the resort.
 
2014-03-05 03:08:28 AM

DittoToo: ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.


That's because american children don't behave. 18 years in France, I've seen hundreds of children in restaurants and not one tantrum.
 
2014-03-05 03:09:30 AM

DittoToo: ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.


Recently moved to France.  You're wrong.  A few months ago I was in a nice-enough restaurant in the town where I live.  A father sat his child on a chair in the corner for misbehaving.  No one batted an eye.  Parents walk their young kids to school here (there are no buses), and we see mothers regularly cuff their kids if they're rowdy.  So will the teachers.
 
2014-03-05 03:17:22 AM

JerkyMeat: I think bringing the baby as more of survival tactic.

If they were to get lost or explore off the main ski runs and lose their way, they may need the offspring for nutrition until they get rescued.


Your handle makes you sound like the kind of dude that knows the value of a shelf stable protein source, and makes your comment a helpful...yet disturbing bit of frontier logic.

/kudos
 
2014-03-05 03:21:28 AM

KWess: DittoToo: ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.

Recently moved to France.  You're wrong.  A few months ago I was in a nice-enough restaurant in the town where I live.  A father sat his child on a chair in the corner for misbehaving.  No one batted an eye.  Parents walk their young kids to school here (there are no buses), and we see mothers regularly cuff their kids if they're rowdy.  So will the teachers.


What region?
 
2014-03-05 03:22:18 AM
Just popping in to remind the peanut gallery that many major ski resorts offer nursery care, some starting at 8 weeks old. Most have programs starting at age 3. If you're at a resort that does, you should probably expect children at your "fancy ski vacation".
 
2014-03-05 03:24:12 AM

Public Savant: I have kids myself, and let me tell you this: that letter is not very effective.

What would be effective would be to wait for the kid to finally fall asleep, wait 5 minutes, and then start playing loud music and bang on the walls.

/Any weapon can be turned against it's owner


Brilliant. Simple and effective.
 
2014-03-05 03:31:29 AM

TenJed_77: KWess: DittoToo: ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.

Recently moved to France.  You're wrong.  A few months ago I was in a nice-enough restaurant in the town where I live.  A father sat his child on a chair in the corner for misbehaving.  No one batted an eye.  Parents walk their young kids to school here (there are no buses), and we see mothers regularly cuff their kids if they're rowdy.  So will the teachers.

What region?


Alsace..Strasbourg area.
 
2014-03-05 03:34:02 AM
I took my daughter to see the Lego movie tonight.  She's whatever years old.  It doesn't mater because it was the theater's designated kids showing for the day.  Early screening and on a Tuesday.  We were the only ones with a kid.  Kid was going "Oh no!!!" and "Yeh!" and "Wowwaahh!" and I could hear the adults around us hissing between their teeth every time.  Not all, mind you, but enough.  I wish one of them would have had the audacity to say something but it never happened.  I would have enjoyed explaining the concept of kids night to them.

I feel the same way about Olive Garden, TGI Fridays, Outback, or even any local family dining joint.  If you see child seats, and the hostess handing out crayons, then maybe you should think a little harder about where you are taking your date.
 
2014-03-05 03:37:50 AM

KWess: Alsace..Strasbourg area.


Spiffy.  We lived over by Nancy for a couple years, my dad later moved to Robertsau.  Visited him there once, gorgeous area except for the pollution smudge in the air.
 
2014-03-05 03:37:54 AM

TwowheelinTim: Smokey the Bare: Fubini: A "swanky" ski resort without soundproofing sounds like a euphemism for a cheap hotel. Loud TVs, loud sex, loud parties, etc. all generate noise otherwise.

Yup... About sums it up.

Alternately, call the front desk and ask for earplugs.

This... not so much.

I keep ear plugs handy when I travel and don't let the little stuff bother me.

It's all little stuff.


Yeap. Or turn the radio up or the tv.  Its not your house, you are staying at a place where other people stay ... so deal with it.

I tend to commiserate with parents of screaming children - they tend to be embarrased and powerless (before you ask, no I do not have any.)

If these people do not want to take the risk of suffering the pains of having other people a thin wall away then they should rent a chalet.

Personally I would have just gotten out of bed and either gone to the bar or watched a movie.
 
2014-03-05 03:38:09 AM
No INFANTS do not belong at a ski resort. I could give less than 2 farks about what your baby might be going through. This BS happened to me on a romantic trip at a nice hotel. I asked to be moved. No you don't get to live your life like you used to and drag your kid around to make everyone who does not have kids,is on a vacation away from their kids,and/or is older and has already raised their kids---be bothered BY YOUR KIDS. Is over the whole PC we should empathize with young parents. NO we should tell parents they need to stay home with infants.
 
2014-03-05 03:42:36 AM

bk3k: I personally love people who bring their screaming toddlers to steak houses(or any sit down restaurants).  McDonalds sure.  But not nice places where people actually want to sit down and have a reasonably peaceful meal.  Those sort of people don't exactly care once the kids act up, don't do a damn thing about it, and have no shame nor consideration of others.

Sure people want to eat somewhere nice now and then.  Even parents.  But for that you leave the kids with relatives or a babysitter when they are that young or if you cannot otherwise control them.  It is a very simple matter of courtesy to OTHER people.  Just because you are used to the 24/7 screaming (and ignoring it to boot) doesn't mean everyone else should be expected to deal with it as well.


My mum loves to tell a story of when I was about 2 and they took me to a restaurant and I ran round and round yelling GIG GIG GIG GIG endlessly.  Not screaming, happy as anything.

How would you consider that?  Apparently everybody at this restaurant thought it was adorable and hilarious, so my parents didn't step in.
 
2014-03-05 03:50:48 AM

Ready-set: Yeah. Having children means making sacrifices. Too many parents have the 'my child is special and belongs everywhere at all times' mentality.

You can't have it both ways.


And too many people have the 'I'm special and deserve to never be mildly inconvenienced anywhere I go' mentality.
 
2014-03-05 03:54:00 AM
A couple of things:

1. Hotels suck sometimes. True hotel story: stayed at a place in Wisconsin on the way from Utah to NY. Pulled in near midnight, exhausted. And wanted to sleep. Well, I didn't know it, but the hotel was built right next to train tracks and the freight trains rumbled by at least hourly shaking the walls and blasting their cute little horns. We checked out at 5 am (I couldn't sleep and was the driver). I informed the front desk people that I would not be paying for those five hours. And did not pay. They put up a fight but I was mad. If I am offered a place to sleep for a price, I expect to be able to sleep. This couple in the story should have at least requested a different room instead of writing an angry letter.

2. Have a ski trip planned for CO here in a couple of weeks. Not staying in a hotel though, so there is that bonus.
 
2014-03-05 04:02:16 AM

DemonEater: KWess: Alsace..Strasbourg area.

Spiffy.  We lived over by Nancy for a couple years, my dad later moved to Robertsau.  Visited him there once, gorgeous area except for the pollution smudge in the air.


Cool - we're househunting in Robersau right now (living in Obernai).  Pollution hasn't been a factor since we're here...so, fingers-crossed...maybe something's changed.  Been 10-15C all winter, so that's something.
 
2014-03-05 04:04:18 AM

piltdown: Oh good, a "hate the breeders" thread.  These are always funny.


It's not about the "breeders" it's about the lack of judgement some people have. A baby at a ski resort is a bad idea no matter how you look at it.
 
2014-03-05 04:11:21 AM

Ikahoshi: A baby at a ski resort is a bad idea no matter how you look at it.


And yet every year thousands are found at ski resorts.
 
2014-03-05 04:22:20 AM
I dunno what age this baby is, but I started skiing at 2. My daughter just turned 3 and still sometimes has night terrors or growing pains (or tantrums) and will scream at night for a bit. We are taking her to a swanky ski area next weekend in the Alps (because we live in Germany). I don't see anything inappropriate about it. I don't see anything inappropriate about taking an infant to a ski resort. there are lots of activities other than skiing and maybe only one parent is a skier anyway. I've been kept up by all kinds of noises in hotels, usually by adults, so suck it up buttercup. In addition to the mention of kids out after 9, not every kid is on the same schedule. My husband started working late so we pushed back dinner and bedtime. My daughter is perfectly capable of staying up late, and then she sleeps in later. It's past 10am now and I am still waiting on her. Kids are not all the same and parenting is not just done one way.
 
2014-03-05 04:23:47 AM

DemonEater: bk3k: I personally love people who bring their screaming toddlers to steak houses(or any sit down restaurants).  McDonalds sure.  But not nice places where people actually want to sit down and have a reasonably peaceful meal.  Those sort of people don't exactly care once the kids act up, don't do a damn thing about it, and have no shame nor consideration of others.

Sure people want to eat somewhere nice now and then.  Even parents.  But for that you leave the kids with relatives or a babysitter when they are that young or if you cannot otherwise control them.  It is a very simple matter of courtesy to OTHER people.  Just because you are used to the 24/7 screaming (and ignoring it to boot) doesn't mean everyone else should be expected to deal with it as well.

My mum loves to tell a story of when I was about 2 and they took me to a restaurant and I ran round and round yelling GIG GIG GIG GIG endlessly.  Not screaming, happy as anything.

How would you consider that?  Apparently everybody at this restaurant thought it was adorable and hilarious, so my parents didn't step in.


Adorable. Except a restaurant is a place where people try to get hot food to tables as quickly as possible. A toddler running around can disrupt this activity, not to mention be at risk for getting hot coffee spilled on it when a server tries to dodge out of the way.
 
2014-03-05 04:25:51 AM

KWess: Cool - we're househunting in Robersau right now (living in Obernai). Pollution hasn't been a factor since we're here...so, fingers-crossed...maybe something's changed. Been 10-15C all winter, so that's something.


It was kind of noticeable when we down to Haut-Koenigsbourg and looked out across the Rhine valley from the top of the hill.  It's not so bad when you're down in the town and can't see as far.

When the weather gets nicer, you should totally do one of those canoe trips where they drive you a couple miles out in the country and push you in the river, and you paddle through the countryside and into the city center, where you hop out and find a nice place for lunch and a beer.  My dad and I had a great time doing that, other than getting rushed by a couple of swans on the way.
 
2014-03-05 04:32:41 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters.


So which is it?  It's inappropriate for parents to take their babies with them to dinner, or it's inappropriate for them to hire a babysitter?

News flash for you and all the other haters in this thread:  babies and kids are people too.  True, I'm not taking my infant to a 10pm R-rated movie.  Then again, I'm not too worried about coont neighbors at a ski resort either - the baby has as much right to room and board there as anyone.

/Took my first ski lesson at age 2
 
2014-03-05 04:39:43 AM

karmachameleon: AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters.

So which is it?  It's inappropriate for parents to take their babies with them to dinner, or it's inappropriate for them to hire a babysitter?

News flash for you and all the other haters in this thread:  babies and kids are people too.  True, I'm not taking my infant to a 10pm R-rated movie.  Then again, I'm not too worried about coont neighbors at a ski resort either - the baby has as much right to room and board there as anyone.

/Took my first ski lesson at age 2


Bolded for emphasis.  The kinds of parents that WOULD do that sort of shiat are the types we're complaining about.  I'm never having kids because I know I'd be a terrible parent.  That being said, I expect other adults to have some damn respect for the rest of humanity when their kid(s) is/are being brats and discipline accordingly.

/is 30
//Can't pay me enough to have kids
///Relatives bred enough that I don't have to worry about doing so
 
2014-03-05 04:42:02 AM
Thread summation:

I hate being inconvenienced by self important douche-canoes, because in my self important world I am the most self-important douche-canoe of all, and me enjoying myself is much more important than other people enjoying themselves. Also breeders, crotchfruit, demon spawn.

I did that without reading a single post in the thread. However, given the time of night, I can fill on guarantee this is what 99% of the posts are.

Reality:

I used to have an infant, he grew up. Well, he'll be 9, but it's nice to have someone awesome to hang out with. He sucked when he was an infant, I'll admit it. I didn't go out to eat with him for the first 2.5 years after he was born, and then 1.5 yrs after that because it was embarrassing. Here's what you self-important douche-canoes don't get: we ARE embarrassed when that stuff happens. Chances are you have the unfortunate circumstance of having to endure out lowly presence on the VERY RARE occasion we go out. Very, very few parents treat their child as a "fashion accessory to be gawked at", another phrase I'm SURE someone mentioned. We're people, you idiots, and those are PUBLIC PLACES, you mega-idiots. There are other places that have strict "no children" policies so that kind of thing can be avoided. You're more than free to go to one of them, if you can afford it. If not, then the place you think is swanky, exclusive, hip, kitschy, what the fark ever... Is not. It's impossible to deal with the random expectations of random idiots all the time, and because YOU go grocery shopping, to the movies, out to eat.. ANYWHERE at 4 PM in the afternoon doesn't mean that there should be laws against OTHER PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES doing the same damn thing at reasonable times at reasonable places. All of these places have "kids nights" and "family night", if you don't have the foresight to notice that and lack the intelligence to ascertain its meaning, that's YOUR FAULT.

This all being said, there are plenty of idiot parents out there who take their infants to smoky restaurants at 10:30 at night. That's farking ASININE. There is an acceptable time to go to that place with your child, and there isn't. If it's before 9:00 PM, run that shiat. Afterwards, FFS, cook a goddamn meal for yourself. Have some consideration, and it's not consideration for the aforementioned 99% douche-canoes, it's for your farking kid. You're a horrible parent, and your child is going to hate you.

This DOES go both ways, but the sentiment that a lot of people share that blames parents for "thinking they're the only ones that matter" is projection. Are those parents sometimes self-entitled douche-canoes? Absolutely. Are you one too?

TL;DR

Dealwithit.jpg, unless you can afford to not.
 
2014-03-05 04:42:27 AM

karmachameleon: AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters.

So which is it?  It's inappropriate for parents to take their babies with them to dinner, or it's inappropriate for them to hire a babysitter?

News flash for you and all the other haters in this thread:  babies and kids are people too.  True, I'm not taking my infant to a 10pm R-rated movie.  Then again, I'm not too worried about coont neighbors at a ski resort either - the baby has as much right to room and board there as anyone.


Stay with your kid and don't take them to places they don't belong. There's nothing contradictory there at all.

What makes it seem contradictory to you is the selfish mindset that says "I'm entitled to do all the stuff I used to do before the baby came". Then when someone calls you on it, they are the "coonts" and "haters".

/Took my first ski lesson at age 2

Your sense of entitlement shows.
 
2014-03-05 04:45:56 AM
Oh, also the 9PM thing because the last thing I want is a bunch of drunk idiots around my baby wanting to get all up in his grill or hold him because he's SSSOOO CUTE. Lady, I think your tits are nice too, but I don't really know you, so I'm not gonna ask to hold them.
 
2014-03-05 04:50:02 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: karmachameleon: AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters.

So which is it?  It's inappropriate for parents to take their babies with them to dinner, or it's inappropriate for them to hire a babysitter?

News flash for you and all the other haters in this thread:  babies and kids are people too.  True, I'm not taking my infant to a 10pm R-rated movie.  Then again, I'm not too worried about coont neighbors at a ski resort either - the baby has as much right to room and board there as anyone.

Stay with your kid and don't take them to places they don't belong. There's nothing contradictory there at all.

What makes it seem contradictory to you is the selfish mindset that says "I'm entitled to do all the stuff I used to do before the baby came". Then when someone calls you on it, they are the "coonts" and "haters".

/Took my first ski lesson at age 2

Your sense of entitlement shows.


One of the best ways to ensure a successful relationship with the other parent, keep things romantic, and raise your child in the very same happy healthy home he was conceived in is to, god forbid, occasionally have someone else watch him for 3-5 whole hours. It's not like they're being raised entirely by another adult, but if mommy and daddy can't enjoy each others company every now and again, they will loathe each other, the world around them, and possibly (and inappropriately) the child.
 
2014-03-05 04:59:38 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening.


I got a kick out of all the people on this thread biatching about infants being at restaurants after 9 PM, because it's 2 AM where I am and the only reason I'm up is because my infant is eating.

9 PM seems like a pretty reasonable time to take an infant out to eat. The dinner rush is over and most places are pretty empty.
Now, I'm not going to let the kid scream (I'd take her outside first) but it's nice to eat at off-peak hours.
 
2014-03-05 05:00:58 AM

Krieghund: AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening.

I got a kick out of all the people on this thread biatching about infants being at restaurants after 9 PM, because it's 2 AM where I am and the only reason I'm up is because my infant is eating.

9 PM seems like a pretty reasonable time to take an infant out to eat. The dinner rush is over and most places are pretty empty.
Now, I'm not going to let the kid scream (I'd take her outside first) but it's nice to eat at off-peak hours.


Eat at home.
 
2014-03-05 05:04:04 AM

sjcousins: Ready-set: Yeah. Having children means making sacrifices. Too many parents have the 'my child is special and belongs everywhere at all times' mentality.

You can't have it both ways.

And too many people have the 'I'm special and deserve to never be mildly inconvenienced anywhere I go' mentality.


I'm managing to tolorate your stupidity with grace and aplomb.
 
2014-03-05 05:06:04 AM

Ready-set: sjcousins: Ready-set: Yeah. Having children means making sacrifices. Too many parents have the 'my child is special and belongs everywhere at all times' mentality.

You can't have it both ways.

And too many people have the 'I'm special and deserve to never be mildly inconvenienced anywhere I go' mentality.

I'm managing to tolorate your stupidity with grace and aplomb.


*tolerate

I guess it's just aplomb now...
 
2014-03-05 05:06:48 AM

Krieghund: AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening.

I got a kick out of all the people on this thread biatching about infants being at restaurants after 9 PM, because it's 2 AM where I am and the only reason I'm up is because my infant is eating.

9 PM seems like a pretty reasonable time to take an infant out to eat. The dinner rush is over and most places are pretty empty.
Now, I'm not going to let the kid scream (I'd take her outside first) but it's nice to eat at off-peak hours.


Does the restaurant serve Gerber? I would think that they don't, and infants can't eat solid food. Ergo, you're not taking your infant out to eat at 9PM, you're taking yourself out and bringing your infant along. It's not a horrible time, really, but you're edging into "lack-of-consideration-territory" there, and as a parent it's fully understandable that they become annoyed if your infant throws a fit at that time. You're fully capable of cooking your own food, and feeding your infant, at home. Granted not eating during the rush on PURPOSE is considerate of you, however is would say you're fully entitled to do so depending on what establishment you're eating at.
 
2014-03-05 05:13:18 AM

DemonEater: KWess: Cool - we're househunting in Robersau right now (living in Obernai). Pollution hasn't been a factor since we're here...so, fingers-crossed...maybe something's changed. Been 10-15C all winter, so that's something.

It was kind of noticeable when we down to Haut-Koenigsbourg and looked out across the Rhine valley from the top of the hill.  It's not so bad when you're down in the town and can't see as far.

When the weather gets nicer, you should totally do one of those canoe trips where they drive you a couple miles out in the country and push you in the river, and you paddle through the countryside and into the city center, where you hop out and find a nice place for lunch and a beer.  My dad and I had a great time doing that, other than getting rushed by a couple of swans on the way.


Yeah, I guess you could say that about any urban area in a valley...and remembering that this is all in European terms too...it's a sliding scale (on my way to China next week).

Thanks for the tip on the canoe ride.  I've seen people doing this...I'll definitely take advantage.
 
2014-03-05 05:15:25 AM

Witty Comment: Here's what you self-important douche-canoes don't get: we ARE embarrassed when that stuff happens


Here's the difference: you went out of your way to avoid these kinds of events. Not only did these people NOT do that, but they ran to the media.

Incidentally, and this may be somewhat interesting for you to learn: when I hear loud, obnoxious noises, I'm not just thinking o the discomfort I'm going through, but of the discomfort OTHERS may be going through. If, for example, you cannot have a vacation with your child, DON'T TAKE YOUR CHILD ON A VACATION. If you're miserable in a new environment, how do you think people who wanted to ENJOY themselves must feel?
 
2014-03-05 05:17:17 AM
And the "you" = "these people"...

/who ARE these people?!
 
2014-03-05 05:20:13 AM
Oh don't get me wrong. Misbehaving children in public is unacceptable. And some places you shouldn't take kids at all. Any movie that isn't for kids for example. A hotel or a 'ski resort' is not one of those places.
 
2014-03-05 05:26:31 AM

puffy999: Witty Comment: Here's what you self-important douche-canoes don't get: we ARE embarrassed when that stuff happens

Here's the difference: you went out of your way to avoid these kinds of events. Not only did these people NOT do that, but they ran to the media.

Incidentally, and this may be somewhat interesting for you to learn: when I hear loud, obnoxious noises, I'm not just thinking o the discomfort I'm going through, but of the discomfort OTHERS may be going through. If, for example, you cannot have a vacation with your child, DON'T TAKE YOUR CHILD ON A VACATION. If you're miserable in a new environment, how do you think people who wanted to ENJOY themselves must feel?


The contradiction in what you've tried to teach me is as follows:

Statement a: you did not do x and went out f your way to accomplish that, because you were embarrassed (also taken as: considerate of others environment)

Followed by statement b: you need to learn to be considerate of others discomfort.
 
2014-03-05 05:29:53 AM
...unless of course I missed your second post and it meant that when you said "you" would be interested to learn, you meant "these people".

/roundtine
 
2014-03-05 05:39:53 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters. There are stories like this where parents are taking their babies to places inappropriate for them.

Being a parent means making some sacrifices. But somehow, somewhere along the line that concept was thrown out and parents just became selfish, self-centered brats for whom the baby is just an accessory to be gawked at by strangers.


Came here to say this but with more disgust. I think the sun is setting on the cults of baby praise and mommy goddesses in America. I'm running into more and more people, parents and non-parents, who are seeing it as the absolute bullshiat advertisement it is.

Oh and everyone loves you and your baby. You and your awkward, bratty nine-year old? Not so much. Think about your motivation for wanting a child. If it is anything outside of absolute love, get a more robust hobby.
 
2014-03-05 06:15:26 AM

Public Savant: I have kids myself, and let me tell you this: that letter is not very effective.

What would be effective would be to wait for the kid to finally fall asleep, wait 5 minutes, and then start playing loud music and bang on the walls.

/Any weapon can be turned against it's owner


Correct.
 
2014-03-05 06:21:10 AM
Having children should be outlawed, for my convenience.
 
2014-03-05 06:21:18 AM

maram500: AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening.

If I had a dollar for every time I see an infant or toddler being dragged along by its parents for dinner at 9pm, I'd be a rich sonofabiatch. I was in IHOP last week--because I wanted pancakes at 3am, and so did my friends--and there was an otherwise lovely couple just sitting there with a kid in a car seat. I swear I not only smelled shiat, but that kid started screaming about half an hour after I sat down.

Why is it not legal to beat a small child with a syrup dispenser? Why?!


Because it's not the farking kid's fault. Beating it's parents should be legal, and the correct question.
 
2014-03-05 06:32:46 AM
Big talk from a passive aggressive note writer.  Of course the note writer didn't have the nerve to just knock on the door and complain about it.
Bee Oh Oh, Aitch Oh Oh.
 
2014-03-05 06:38:10 AM
If the restaurant has silverware, don't bring your little nose miners.

If it has a ball pit, feel free.

For restaurants that have neither, use your discretion.

Your kids are 10% as cute as you think they are, and 1000% more annoying. You cannot understand this, however, because you are not objective and a lousy parent.
 
2014-03-05 06:38:34 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters. There are stories like this where parents are taking their babies to places inappropriate for them.

Being a parent means making some sacrifices. But somehow, somewhere along the line that concept was thrown out and parents just became selfish, self-centered brats for whom the baby is just an accessory to be gawked at by strangers.


Generally, you'll find out which parents used their baby as an accessory when the child begins to talk. Those parents look like they despise their child every time he/she opens his/her mouth. The attention shifted from them to the child.

/New parent
//Don't take the baby to inappropriate places like a damned ski resort (or airplane, or fancy restaurant).
///Walk around the mall or something but know when to get out....like when the baby is wailing
 
2014-03-05 06:38:40 AM
We took our kids everywhere. Had to. Didn't know a soul nearby and no family in the area. Never past 9. Rarely to very swanky places. But we did take them to a ski resort once. They fussed a bit, but weren't anything compared to the people that partied till 4am in the room next to us.

Parents of young children need to get out, too. Young children are demanding. You should give their parents your sympathies, not your criticism.

And unless there is a no kids policy, I'LL decide where and when it is appropriate to take my children and YOU can STFU.

/you were prolly an obnoxious kidlet, yourself
//yeah, you!
 
2014-03-05 06:39:15 AM
I wouldn't want to be in a hotel room next to a crying baby, either.

And by that i mean most of the people in this thread.

If you're so easily irritated and disturbed by other humans, maybe you should take your vacation where there aren't any.
 
2014-03-05 06:46:49 AM

a_room_with_a_moose: We took our kids everywhere. Had to. Didn't know a soul nearby and no family in the area. Never past 9. Rarely to very swanky places. But we did take them to a ski resort once. They fussed a bit, but weren't anything compared to the people that partied till 4am in the room next to us.

Parents of young children need to get out, too. Young children are demanding. You should give their parents your sympathies, not your criticism.

And unless there is a no kids policy, I'LL decide where and when it is appropriate to take my children and YOU can STFU.

/you were prolly an obnoxious kidlet, yourself
//yeah, you!


Have to go out?

Yes, I was obnoxious, so vacations consisted of camping in a state forest where the only thing you couldn't do was burn it down. I didn't see the inside of an airplane until I was a teenager, and eating out was such a rare treat, that you dare not screw it up.

Your problem is you are tired, you lack impartiality, and more of you every day, just gives up. Don't take it personally, just understand your beautiful little angel is a noisy, shiating ankle biter to everyone else.
 
2014-03-05 06:59:55 AM

sjcousins: Oh don't get me wrong. Misbehaving children in public is unacceptable. And some places you shouldn't take kids at all. Any movie that isn't for kids for example. A hotel or a 'ski resort' is not one of those places.


Dammit I forgot to quote this.

Ready-set: Ready-set: sjcousins: Ready-set: Yeah. Having children means making sacrifices. Too many parents have the 'my child is special and belongs everywhere at all times' mentality.

You can't have it both ways.

And too many people have the 'I'm special and deserve to never be mildly inconvenienced anywhere I go' mentality.

I'm managing to tolorate your stupidity with grace and aplomb.

*tolerate

I guess it's just aplomb now...

 
2014-03-05 07:04:25 AM
whatever the circumstances, if a hotel guest prevents another hotel guest from sleeping in their room from 12am to 7am, the one preventing the other from sleeping is an asshole. loud party, crying child, wallbanging sex, any reason short of medical emergency.
 
2014-03-05 07:05:19 AM

Milo Minderbinder: a_room_with_a_moose: We took our kids everywhere. Had to. Didn't know a soul nearby and no family in the area. Never past 9. Rarely to very swanky places. But we did take them to a ski resort once. They fussed a bit, but weren't anything compared to the people that partied till 4am in the room next to us.

Parents of young children need to get out, too. Young children are demanding. You should give their parents your sympathies, not your criticism.

And unless there is a no kids policy, I'LL decide where and when it is appropriate to take my children and YOU can STFU.

/you were prolly an obnoxious kidlet, yourself
//yeah, you!

Have to go out?

Yes, I was obnoxious, so vacations consisted of camping in a state forest where the only thing you couldn't do was burn it down. I didn't see the inside of an airplane until I was a teenager, and eating out was such a rare treat, that you dare not screw it up.

Your problem is you are tired, you lack impartiality, and more of you every day, just gives up. Don't take it personally, just understand your beautiful little angel is a noisy, shiating ankle biter to everyone else.


Oh, I understand. No snowflakes in my house, believe me. I've made it clear to them that, while I would die for them, the rest of the world is ambivilant to their existence, at best.

That being said, deal with it.
 
2014-03-05 07:12:07 AM

a_room_with_a_moose: Milo Minderbinder: a_room_with_a_moose: We took our kids everywhere. Had to. Didn't know a soul nearby and no family in the area. Never past 9. Rarely to very swanky places. But we did take them to a ski resort once. They fussed a bit, but weren't anything compared to the people that partied till 4am in the room next to us.

Parents of young children need to get out, too. Young children are demanding. You should give their parents your sympathies, not your criticism.

And unless there is a no kids policy, I'LL decide where and when it is appropriate to take my children and YOU can STFU.

/you were prolly an obnoxious kidlet, yourself
//yeah, you!

Have to go out?

Yes, I was obnoxious, so vacations consisted of camping in a state forest where the only thing you couldn't do was burn it down. I didn't see the inside of an airplane until I was a teenager, and eating out was such a rare treat, that you dare not screw it up.

Your problem is you are tired, you lack impartiality, and more of you every day, just gives up. Don't take it personally, just understand your beautiful little angel is a noisy, shiating ankle biter to everyone else.

Oh, I understand. No snowflakes in my house, believe me. I've made it clear to them that, while I would die for them, the rest of the world is ambivilant to their existence, at best.

That being said, deal with it.


No, I intentionally have not spawned, so I would not have to deal with it. You got yourself into this mess; get yourself out.
 
2014-03-05 07:23:19 AM
I think The Parents of FarkTM need to stop arguing on the internet and start focusing on being better parents. Because most of you suck at it.

And once again the wisdom of Kirk: "It is a big universe, Charlie. There are a million things you can have and there are a million things you can't have." Start dealing with this fact now. Your children will thank you for it.
 
2014-03-05 07:23:58 AM
Wow. A "Swanky" resort and people still write like this:

"Thank you for bringing a screaming baby to a ski resort and wake up everyone near your room..."

/Bringing...waking
 
2014-03-05 07:35:25 AM
Oooh. He responded on a blog no one reads. That'll show'em
 
2014-03-05 07:40:38 AM
this is a perfect reason to deploy the alarm clock bomb.  Its when you leave your hotel, place the alarm clock against the wall behind a pillow,set it to go off as soon as you leave, place the do not disturb sign on your door knob, and leave for the day. The alarm clock bomb is also best accompanied by periodically calling the pest neighbors' room and accusing the tenants of things like loudly having sex while being fat, arguing about what time it is, etc.  They WILL ask to switch rooms.  I do this to pest neighbors while on business trips.
 
2014-03-05 07:44:54 AM

Milo Minderbinder: a_room_with_a_moose: Milo Minderbinder: a_room_with_a_moose: We took our kids everywhere. Had to. Didn't know a soul nearby and no family in the area. Never past 9. Rarely to very swanky places. But we did take them to a ski resort once. They fussed a bit, but weren't anything compared to the people that partied till 4am in the room next to us.

Parents of young children need to get out, too. Young children are demanding. You should give their parents your sympathies, not your criticism.

And unless there is a no kids policy, I'LL decide where and when it is appropriate to take my children and YOU can STFU.

/you were prolly an obnoxious kidlet, yourself
//yeah, you!

Have to go out?

Yes, I was obnoxious, so vacations consisted of camping in a state forest where the only thing you couldn't do was burn it down. I didn't see the inside of an airplane until I was a teenager, and eating out was such a rare treat, that you dare not screw it up.

Your problem is you are tired, you lack impartiality, and more of you every day, just gives up. Don't take it personally, just understand your beautiful little angel is a noisy, shiating ankle biter to everyone else.

Oh, I understand. No snowflakes in my house, believe me. I've made it clear to them that, while I would die for them, the rest of the world is ambivilant to their existence, at best.

That being said, deal with it.

No, I intentionally have not spawned, so I would not have to deal with it. You got yourself into this mess; get yourself out.


I have. My kids are grown. They turned out quite nicely, thanks.

And we thank you for not breeding!
 
2014-03-05 07:46:15 AM

DittoToo: I took my daughter to see the Lego movie tonight.  She's whatever years old.  It doesn't mater because it was the theater's designated kids showing for the day.  Early screening and on a Tuesday.  We were the only ones with a kid.  Kid was going "Oh no!!!" and "Yeh!" and "Wowwaahh!" and I could hear the adults around us hissing between their teeth every time.  Not all, mind you, but enough.  I wish one of them would have had the audacity to say something but it never happened.  I would have enjoyed explaining the concept of kids night to them.


www.moviequotesandmore.com
Lance: Still got your daughter?
Vincent: Aw, man. You know what some farker did the other day?
Lance: What?
Vincent: farking hissed at her.
Lance: Oh, man, that's farked up.
Vincent: Tell me about it. I've had her for five years, she was at the movies for 10 minutes and some dickless piece of shiat hissed at her.
Lance: They should be farking killed. No trial, no jury, straight to execution.
Vincent: Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doing it. It'd been worth him doing it just so I could've caught him doing it.
Lance: What a farker!
Vincent: What's more chickenshiat than hissing at a man's daughter? I mean, don't fark with another man's daughter.
Lance: You don't do it.
Vincent: It's just against the rules.
 
2014-03-05 07:46:41 AM
Sleeeeep all day, ski all night.
 
2014-03-05 07:58:00 AM
Mythdragon: you might be the only person in history to confuse Samuel L. Jackson with Eric Stoltz.


SLJ = Jules
ES = Lance
 
2014-03-05 08:05:39 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Back when the third LOTR came out I went to to 10:00 PM showing, and a couple of breeders had their 3 kids with them. The oldest kid was maybe 8, and the littlest was a baby.

/Some people.


People still say "breeders?"
 
2014-03-05 08:07:05 AM
I bet that baby doesn't even ski very well.
 
2014-03-05 08:10:33 AM

KWess: TenJed_77: KWess: DittoToo: ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.

Recently moved to France.  You're wrong.  A few months ago I was in a nice-enough restaurant in the town where I live.  A father sat his child on a chair in the corner for misbehaving.  No one batted an eye.  Parents walk their young kids to school here (there are no buses), and we see mothers regularly cuff their kids if they're rowdy.  So will the teachers.

What region?

Alsace..Strasbourg area.


Lucky! I'm about 35kms outside of Paris.
 
GCD
2014-03-05 08:11:29 AM
Just got back from a week in Florida with our 9-month old son. We expected the worst, but aside from a few minor outbursts (which 9-month old kids tend to have), the kid was a champ for the entire trip.

First flight? I figured I'd be buying those little bottles of airplane booze for us and everyone else. I even had budgeted for it. But nope, the kid proved me entirely wrong. No problems at all. Maybe a little more fuss than usual on take off and landing, but not unbearable by any means (and compared to some of the older kids on the plane he was a saint).

Flight home? He was a little more fussy, but we had the red-eye, so his routine was off...and again, compared to the several other hellions that were around us, this kid was golden. He slept for 90% of the trip...while the 2-year old behind us was a pure holy terror (to the point where the flight attendant had to step in).

I will readily admit that he was a little fussy at times, but again...he's 9-months old (and we suspect he's teething), plus he's off his regular routine. When we went out to breakfast and he was awesome....dinners were a little more fussy though because they were a little later than his usual bedtime, but he was still good...and it wasn't like we sat there and stuffed our faces while he screamed bloody murder...our meals would be cold by the time we got to eat them.

Believe me...when it's "your kid" doing the screaming...it sucks.
 
2014-03-05 08:13:24 AM

a_room_with_a_moose: We took our kids everywhere. Had to. Didn't know a soul nearby and no family in the area. Never past 9. Rarely to very swanky places. But we did take them to a ski resort once. They fussed a bit, but weren't anything compared to the people that partied till 4am in the room next to us.

Parents of young children need to get out, too. Young children are demanding. You should give their parents your sympathies, not your criticism.

And unless there is a no kids policy, I'LL decide where and when it is appropriate to take my children and YOU can STFU.

/you were prolly an obnoxious kidlet, yourself
//yeah, you!


Your sense of over entitlement just SCREAMS attention whore.

/NO you do not and will not have my sympathies
 
2014-03-05 08:16:48 AM

Langdon_777: TwowheelinTim: Smokey the Bare: Fubini: A "swanky" ski resort without soundproofing sounds like a euphemism for a cheap hotel. Loud TVs, loud sex, loud parties, etc. all generate noise otherwise.

Yup... About sums it up.

Alternately, call the front desk and ask for earplugs.

This... not so much.

I keep ear plugs handy when I travel and don't let the little stuff bother me.

It's all little stuff.

Yeap. Or turn the radio up or the tv.  Its not your house, you are staying at a place where other people stay ... so deal with it.

I tend to commiserate with parents of screaming children - they tend to be embarrased and powerless (before you ask, no I do not have any.)

If these people do not want to take the risk of suffering the pains of having other people a thin wall away then they should rent a chalet.

Personally I would have just gotten out of bed and either gone to the bar or watched a movie.


It's hard to deal with it when you don't have the physiology necessary to deal with it.  Some of us are hypersensitive and earplugs are painful.  Screaming children can go right over a TV, and a TV needs to be a constant or normal sound for me to fall asleep.

Do I have any less right to sleep in a hotel, especially given the fact that 90% of my hotel stays are noise-free?

Granted, sending a note is the wrong way to handle it.  The right way to handle it is to complain to the front desk staff to see if they can move you or remove the loud offense (they are fully within their right to kick a screaming child and his/her family out of the hotel, they just probably won't for the same backlash as you're seeing here).
 
2014-03-05 08:25:52 AM

WTFDYW: a_room_with_a_moose: We took our kids everywhere. Had to. Didn't know a soul nearby and no family in the area. Never past 9. Rarely to very swanky places. But we did take them to a ski resort once. They fussed a bit, but weren't anything compared to the people that partied till 4am in the room next to us.

Parents of young children need to get out, too. Young children are demanding. You should give their parents your sympathies, not your criticism.

And unless there is a no kids policy, I'LL decide where and when it is appropriate to take my children and YOU can STFU.

/you were prolly an obnoxious kidlet, yourself
//yeah, you!

Your sense of over entitlement just SCREAMS attention whore.

/NO you do not and will not have my sympathies


I live in a trailer in the woods and drive a 32 year old Chevy truck. I'm clearly over entitled.

Heh...
 
2014-03-05 08:28:25 AM
It's a newborn baby.

Mummy and Daddums can afford the resort obviously, despite the bills that will be piling on.

They probably won't get another chance for a long time.

Wait until the baby is a politician before complaining about the

screaming
fussing
hair pulling attempts to get it to eat when you want it to so you may be able to stay on a sleep schedule for work

tantrums.
garbled nonsense that you think may be words if you twitch your ears right

Politicians are more annoying.

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2014-03-05 08:29:10 AM
I took an 11 month old to the Keys once and stayed in a nice, but not super nice, hotel in Miami the night before flying home. As we get off the elevator, some white-pants (after memorial day, no less) wearing bros mention that the "kid better not keep us up tonight." I advised them the kid would be fine. All went well and then, around 2 am, the bros returned from the local southbeach hellhole drunk and roudy. Everyone but my kid woke up.

Bro 1 and Bro 2 then get into an argument about how one was flirting with other boys. Blows are exchanged. Bro 1 retires to his room and sobs gently into his pillow, Bro 2 apparently left. The next morning, I see Bro 1 on the elevator going down and mock him relentlessly on the 26 floor ride down to the elevator.

The moral of my awsome story is this: In my 30 something years on this planet, adults are often the biggest source of annoying, rude behavior. That loud, drunk guy at the fancy restaurant is almost always a bigger distraction than the one or two children present. The annoying screaming woman at the sporting event or concert is exponentially more annoying than the bored toddler. The dude who won't put his phone down at the movie theater is certainly worse than the kid who exclaims "wow" or "bad guy" in a movie. [Don't go to a disney movie and then complain that the children ruined your experience, ass wipe]. While exceptions exist, adults are by far the worst offenders and people who biatch about kids usually need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
 
2014-03-05 08:29:37 AM
I took my daughter to see the Lego movie tonight. She's whatever years old. It doesn't mater because it was the theater's designated kids showing for the day. Early screening and on a Tuesday. We were the only ones with a kid. Kid was going "Oh no!!!" and "Yeh!" and "Wowwaahh!" and I could hear the adults around us hissing between their teeth every time. Not all, mind you, but enough. I wish one of them would have had the audacity to say something but it never happened. I would have enjoyed explaining the concept of kids night to them.

I don't understand this sentiment. At what age will your daughter be taught that "going 'Oh no!!!' and 'Yeh!' and 'Wowwaahh!'" is not acceptable behavior?
That's my issue with the "kid-will-be-kids" response to poor behavior. Yes, they're kids, but they need to be taught to behave like adults. Why not now?
 
hej
2014-03-05 08:30:02 AM
What the hell is wrong with people.  Leave your baby at the movie theater or library where it belongs.
 
2014-03-05 08:33:48 AM

Gunboat: I took my daughter to see the Lego movie tonight. She's whatever years old. It doesn't mater because it was the theater's designated kids showing for the day. Early screening and on a Tuesday. We were the only ones with a kid. Kid was going "Oh no!!!" and "Yeh!" and "Wowwaahh!" and I could hear the adults around us hissing between their teeth every time. Not all, mind you, but enough. I wish one of them would have had the audacity to say something but it never happened. I would have enjoyed explaining the concept of kids night to them.

I don't understand this sentiment. At what age will your daughter be taught that "going 'Oh no!!!' and 'Yeh!' and 'Wowwaahh!'" is not acceptable behavior?
That's my issue with the "kid-will-be-kids" response to poor behavior. Yes, they're kids, but they need to be taught to behave like adults. Why not now?


I'll ask the 70 year old woman at the next Godzilla movie who did things like that every 5 seconds. Before I stand up from the perfect seat and go sit in the only available one left in the back row.

On the other hand, the complaining adults were the idiots coming in on a kids showing day.
 
2014-03-05 08:39:22 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters. There are stories like this where parents are taking their babies to places inappropriate for them.

Being a parent means making some sacrifices. But somehow, somewhere along the line that concept was thrown out and parents just became selfish, self-centered brats for whom the baby is just an accessory to be gawked at by strangers.


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2014-03-05 08:43:57 AM

piltdown: Oh good, a "hate the breeders" thread.  These are always funny.


DittoToo: I took my daughter to see the Lego movie tonight.  She's whatever years old.  It doesn't mater because it was the theater's designated kids showing for the day.  Early screening and on a Tuesday.  We were the only ones with a kid.  Kid was going "Oh no!!!" and "Yeh!" and "Wowwaahh!" and I could hear the adults around us hissing between their teeth every time.  Not all, mind you, but enough.  I wish one of them would have had the audacity to say something but it never happened.  I would have enjoyed explaining the concept of kids night to them.

I feel the same way about Olive Garden, TGI Fridays, Outback, or even any local family dining joint.  If you see child seats, and the hostess handing out crayons, then maybe you should think a little harder about where you are taking your date.



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2014-03-05 08:43:58 AM
Seriously, the whole crux of this discussion is this: just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD. Sure, you CAN bring your 11-month-old to Le Cirque or DaSilvano, but why would you? These are examples of restaurants that are inappropriate for children. And sure, you CAN bring your 11-month-old or your toddler on a flight to T&C or Aruba, but why would you? These are places FOR ADULTS WHO LEAD BUSY HARRIED LIVES AND WANT TO RELAX. They ( and I mean my wife and I) do not want to listen to your little Timmy Poopy Pants have a meltdown in the palapa next to us. Why is this so farking hard for you people to understand?
If you choose to have children, guess what- you've relegated yourself to places like applebee's, McDonald's, Disney cruises and the like. Bringing them to adult-oriented places IS SIMPLY NOT APPROPRIATE.
 
2014-03-05 08:49:01 AM
ace in your face: I dunno what age this baby is, but I started skiing at 2. My daughter just turned 3 and still sometimes has night terrors or growing pains (or tantrums) and will scream at night for a bit. We are taking her to a swanky ski area next weekend in the Alps (because we live in Germany). I don't see anything inappropriate about it. I don't see anything inappropriate about taking an infant to a ski resort. there are lots of activities other than skiing and maybe only one parent is a skier anyway. I've been kept up by all kinds of noises in hotels, usually by adults, so suck it up buttercup. In addition to the mention of kids out after 9, not every kid is on the same schedule. My husband started working late so we pushed back dinner and bedtime. My daughter is perfectly capable of staying up late, and then she sleeps in later. It's past 10am now and I am still waiting on her. Kids are not all the same and parenting is not just done one way.
 
2014-03-05 08:50:03 AM
The brat's parents were rude and in the wrong. No one should have to hear a baby screaming. You have the right to be loud as you want. You don't have the right to interfere with my peace and quiet. Be it a baby, leaf blower or music the noise should not enter my space. It all about respect.
 
2014-03-05 08:50:17 AM

darch: Seriously, the whole crux of this discussion is this: just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD. Sure, you CAN bring your 11-month-old to Le Cirque or DaSilvano, but why would you? These are examples of restaurants that are inappropriate for children. And sure, you CAN bring your 11-month-old or your toddler on a flight to T&C or Aruba, but why would you? These are places FOR ADULTS WHO LEAD BUSY HARRIED LIVES AND WANT TO RELAX. They ( and I mean my wife and I) do not want to listen to your little Timmy Poopy Pants have a meltdown in the palapa next to us. Why is this so farking hard for you people to understand?
If you choose to have children, guess what- you've relegated yourself to places like applebee's, McDonald's, Disney cruises and the like. Bringing them to adult-oriented places IS SIMPLY NOT APPROPRIATE.


THIS.
 
2014-03-05 08:58:58 AM

piltdown: Oh good, a "hate the breeders" thread.  These are always funny.


Kids and parents are the only group that it is still politically correct to be a full-on bigot about.  The rage is so bottled up that when folks finally get a chance to let it out, it's like a tsunami through the flood gates.
 
2014-03-05 09:02:14 AM
My wife and I have a 5 month old, and having moved to a state far from relatives (for a job) we sometimes take our son with us if we eat out.

The difference? We feed him first, drive until he sacks out, then eat somewhere that's not so noisy it wakes him up.

9 times out of ten, he sleeps the whole time. The tenth, one of us takes him to the car while the other eats and we switch, or one takes him to the car while the other gets the food to go.

Being considerate is NOT hard as a parent. The few times we have had to travel and get hotels, we warn the front desk that we are bringing a baby, and ask for a room away from everyone else. Sometimes that means we don't get the exact type of room we want, but it's better for everyone.

Small sacrifices made occasionally make everyone's life better, including yours and your child's.

These parents were jerks.
 
2014-03-05 09:03:30 AM

darch: Seriously, the whole crux of this discussion is this: just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD. Sure, you CAN bring your 11-month-old to Le Cirque or DaSilvano, but why would you? These are examples of restaurants that are inappropriate for children. And sure, you CAN bring your 11-month-old or your toddler on a flight to T&C or Aruba, but why would you? These are places FOR ADULTS WHO LEAD BUSY HARRIED LIVES AND WANT TO RELAX. They ( and I mean my wife and I) do not want to listen to your little Timmy Poopy Pants have a meltdown in the palapa next to us. Why is this so farking hard for you people to understand?
If you choose to have children, guess what- you've relegated yourself to places like applebee's, McDonald's, Disney cruises and the like. Bringing them to adult-oriented places IS SIMPLY NOT APPROPRIATE.


Having been to several ski resorts in CO with all three of my kids, they are geared towards accomodating families. They all started ski school at age 2 and now ski and board black diamonds, far better than me. It's not like the people in TFA were at some adults-only enclave.

Apres ski or the high-end restaurants after 8pm? Not for kids. Getting an in-hotel sitter is a concierge call away. If I had a screaming baby in the room next to me and I was sans-kids, I would speak to management about a room change and would never think about being a dick enough to write a note directly like that.

A parent can only do so much to soothe a cranky baby, and as a parent of a perpetually cranky kid, it sucks ass when nothing you do helps. Babies have their own minds and personalities, some are chill, some are little a$$holes. I have two of the former, one of the latter. Through thoroughly introducing them to the expectations of civil life, with treating every moment as teachable, they are now generally well-behaved in public. Unless the one kid starts up, then one of us takes him out of wherever we are until he calms down (disclaimer: he is autistic but we don't allow that as an excuse for bad behavior).

I do agree younger kids should not be in restaurants/movies/stores past 8pm, and never in certain establishments (i.e. Alinea). They should be home getting ready for bed at that time, I feel terrible for kids whose parents don't keep them on normal schedules.
 
2014-03-05 09:10:53 AM

bk3k: I personally love people who bring their screaming toddlers to steak houses(or any sit down restaurants).  McDonalds sure.  But not nice places where people actually want to sit down and have a reasonably peaceful meal.  Those sort of people don't exactly care once the kids act up, don't do a damn thing about it, and have no shame nor consideration of others.


We were eating in a Mexican family restaurant, when three families showed up to sit together. Their children (not one appeared to be over 8 years old) were all seated at a separate table while the parents sat together so they could converse. The kids, of course (there were about 8 of them), once they realized no one was paying attention to them, began acting like kids; yelling, getting up and wandering around, being noisy, etc.

The servers tried to keep order by bringing them chips and drinks, but that didn't help, and the parents were so engrossed in their conversation they weren't paying attention. A middle aged woman showed up and was seated right next to the kids; she had a book with her so it was obvious she intended to read quietly while waiting on her meal. The volume from the kids kept going up, and eventually the woman just stood up and yelled at the kids "will you PLEASE sit down and be quiet??!". After that the parents belatedly tried to impose some order on the kids; the woman got applause from the rest of us as well as the service staff.
 
2014-03-05 09:14:48 AM
ytterbium:
A parent can only do so much to soothe a cranky baby, and as a parent of a perpetually cranky kid, it sucks ass when nothing you do helps. Babies have their own minds and personalities, some are chill, some are little a$$holes.

Every hotel room comes with ice bags, and they are always large enough to fit around a baby's head. Try it next time, I guarantee the screaming will stop.
 
2014-03-05 09:15:08 AM
Babies have their own minds and personalities,

I was in  your corner right up until that point.

Babies- until a certain age, say 1- have no cognitive "mind". Their only "thoughts" are instinctive impulses to eat and when food isn't offered, to cry about it. That's IT. And that's how Nature designed us. No problem there. The problem comes in when you decide that it's ok to bring little Hudson or Clara into a high-end restaurant because you've also decided that since you've committed the wondrous miracle of procreation , the rest of us must want to experience everything there is to know about your child- all while we dine.

News flash- we don't.
 
2014-03-05 09:22:25 AM

GCD: Just got back from a week in Florida with our 9-month old son. We expected the worst, but aside from a few minor outbursts (which 9-month old kids tend to have), the kid was a champ for the entire trip.

First flight? I figured I'd be buying those little bottles of airplane booze for us and everyone else. I even had budgeted for it. But nope, the kid proved me entirely wrong. No problems at all. Maybe a little more fuss than usual on take off and landing, but not unbearable by any means (and compared to some of the older kids on the plane he was a saint).

Flight home? He was a little more fussy, but we had the red-eye, so his routine was off...and again, compared to the several other hellions that were around us, this kid was golden. He slept for 90% of the trip...while the 2-year old behind us was a pure holy terror (to the point where the flight attendant had to step in).

I will readily admit that he was a little fussy at times, but again...he's 9-months old (and we suspect he's teething), plus he's off his regular routine. When we went out to breakfast and he was awesome....dinners were a little more fussy though because they were a little later than his usual bedtime, but he was still good...and it wasn't like we sat there and stuffed our faces while he screamed bloody murder...our meals would be cold by the time we got to eat them.

Believe me...when it's "your kid" doing the screaming...it sucks.



Just flew out to AZ (from upstate NY) with our 11 month-old, and it was definitely stressful whenever he cried.  The reason it was stressful:  because I assume that everyone else on that airplane is a young, male, childfree Farker, pretty much the most hostile, least-sympathetic demographic one could possibly imagine.  I was stressed because I could just imagine everyone furiously typing anti-baby rants on their adorable little iDevices.

It was interesting, because normally I'm 100% focused on the baby if he's crying, trying to address his anguish.  But not so on an airplane, where the priority is to thwart the looks and comments from the evolutionary cul-de-sacs.
 
2014-03-05 09:23:50 AM
As someone who was raised around a restaurant, I'm getting a kick...

1. A restaurant is a place of business where people pay for an experience which food is only a part of the experience. It is not an extension of your personal living room.

If I started getting fussy, I was taken outside away from customers until I could behave myself. I was not allowed to run around. I was supervised and taught not to run around or disturb others.

1. A movie theater is a place of business where people pay for an experience which the film is only a part of the experience. It is not an extension of your personal living room.

My first movie was at a drive in, it was the film release of MASH in 1969. It was fun. I had no interest in the movie, mom brought games for me and sis. I fell asleep in the back seat for most of it.

When I went into indoor venues I was taught how to be quiet and not bother others.

We as aa a society have forgotten how to treat others, be considerate of others' needs outside of your own, and not impinge on others' right to a private outing instead of being attention whores monopolizing the venue by being disruptive.

Manners are dead.
 
2014-03-05 09:24:35 AM
TanHamster:
Just flew out to AZ (from upstate NY) with our 11 month-old, and it was definitely stressful whenever he cried.  The reason it was stressful:  because I assume that everyone else on that airplane is a young, male, childfree Farker, pretty much the most hostile, least-sympathetic demographic one could possibly imagine.  I was stressed because I could just imagine everyone furiously typing anti-baby rants on their adorable little iDevices.

Maybe next time you'll just drive your screaming shiat machine, instead of imposing on them for your own convenience. Then you'd have no need to worry about being hating you for being an asshole!
 
2014-03-05 09:27:24 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Mythdragon: you might be the only person in history to confuse Samuel L. Jackson with Eric Stoltz.


SLJ = Jules
ES = Lance


Copy/paste from IMDB. Didn't pay attention to the names.

I don't have time to fact-check everything man, I have snarky comments to post!
What do you want? Journalistic integrity?
 
2014-03-05 09:30:31 AM

BayouOtter: TanHamster:
Just flew out to AZ (from upstate NY) with our 11 month-old, and it was definitely stressful whenever he cried.  The reason it was stressful:  because I assume that everyone else on that airplane is a young, male, childfree Farker, pretty much the most hostile, least-sympathetic demographic one could possibly imagine.  I was stressed because I could just imagine everyone furiously typing anti-baby rants on their adorable little iDevices.

Maybe next time you'll just drive your screaming shiat machine, instead of imposing on them for your own convenience. Then you'd have no need to worry about being hating you for being an asshole!



Yeah, next time I'll drive from NY to AZ and back again because 5-10 minutes of crying is too disruptive for your delicate sensibilties.
 
2014-03-05 09:31:38 AM

darch: Babies have their own minds and personalities,

I was in  your corner right up until that point.

Babies- until a certain age, say 1- have no cognitive "mind". Their only "thoughts" are instinctive impulses to eat and when food isn't offered, to cry about it. That's IT. And that's how Nature designed us. No problem there. The problem comes in when you decide that it's ok to bring little Hudson or Clara into a high-end restaurant because you've also decided that since you've committed the wondrous miracle of procreation , the rest of us must want to experience everything there is to know about your child- all while we dine.

News flash- we don't.


How many babies have you had the sole responsibility of caring for? I have had three, including twins. Each had her/his own distinct personality from birth. Tabula rasa is a myth.

And, if you happened to have read what I wrote more clearly, you would see that I agree that young children should not be taken to high-end restaurants at all and to regular restaurants after 8pm. I never said my little snowflakes are entitled to annoy diners at a $50/plate dinner.
 
2014-03-05 09:32:55 AM
TanHamster:
Yeah, next time I'll drive from NY to AZ and back again because 5-10 minutes of crying is too disruptive for your delicate sensibilties.

I'm sure your baby will fondly remember Wicked and the Statue of Liberty forever from its unforgettable vacation. Those memories are worth terrorizing a hundred strangers for hours with continuous screaming and the foul stenches of a dead skunk drowned in a port-a-john.
 
2014-03-05 09:34:00 AM

pho75: I took an 11 month old to the Keys once and stayed in a nice, but not super nice, hotel in Miami the night before flying home. As we get off the elevator, some white-pants (after memorial day, no less) wearing bros mention that the "kid better not keep us up tonight." I advised them the kid would be fine. All went well and then, around 2 am, the bros returned from the local southbeach hellhole drunk and roudy. Everyone but my kid woke up.

Bro 1 and Bro 2 then get into an argument about how one was flirting with other boys. Blows are exchanged. Bro 1 retires to his room and sobs gently into his pillow, Bro 2 apparently left. The next morning, I see Bro 1 on the elevator going down and mock him relentlessly on the 26 floor ride down to the elevator.

The moral of my awsome story is this: In my 30 something years on this planet, adults are often the biggest source of annoying, rude behavior. That loud, drunk guy at the fancy restaurant is almost always a bigger distraction than the one or two children present. The annoying screaming woman at the sporting event or concert is exponentially more annoying than the bored toddler. The dude who won't put his phone down at the movie theater is certainly worse than the kid who exclaims "wow" or "bad guy" in a movie. [Don't go to a disney movie and then complain that the children ruined your experience, ass wipe]. While exceptions exist, adults are by far the worst offenders and people who biatch about kids usually need to take a long hard look in the mirror.


This * 1e12.  Whenever I see a group of teens or 20 somethings sit down next to me at a restaurant or a movie theater, I know I'm in for a loud, device-glowing evening.  And I'll take the toddler next to me on an airplane any day over 300 lb guy or chatty lady or I-don't-use-deodorant dude.
 
2014-03-05 09:37:19 AM

BayouOtter: TanHamster:
Yeah, next time I'll drive from NY to AZ and back again because 5-10 minutes of crying is too disruptive for your delicate sensibilties.

I'm sure your baby will fondly remember Wicked and the Statue of Liberty forever from its unforgettable vacation. Those memories are worth terrorizing a hundred strangers for hours with continuous screaming and the foul stenches of a dead skunk drowned in a port-a-john.



I live in upstate NY.
 
2014-03-05 09:39:32 AM

TanHamster: GCD: Just got back from a week in Florida with our 9-month old son. We expected the worst, but aside from a few minor outbursts (which 9-month old kids tend to have), the kid was a champ for the entire trip.

First flight? I figured I'd be buying those little bottles of airplane booze for us and everyone else. I even had budgeted for it. But nope, the kid proved me entirely wrong. No problems at all. Maybe a little more fuss than usual on take off and landing, but not unbearable by any means (and compared to some of the older kids on the plane he was a saint).

Flight home? He was a little more fussy, but we had the red-eye, so his routine was off...and again, compared to the several other hellions that were around us, this kid was golden. He slept for 90% of the trip...while the 2-year old behind us was a pure holy terror (to the point where the flight attendant had to step in).

I will readily admit that he was a little fussy at times, but again...he's 9-months old (and we suspect he's teething), plus he's off his regular routine. When we went out to breakfast and he was awesome....dinners were a little more fussy though because they were a little later than his usual bedtime, but he was still good...and it wasn't like we sat there and stuffed our faces while he screamed bloody murder...our meals would be cold by the time we got to eat them.

Believe me...when it's "your kid" doing the screaming...it sucks.


Just flew out to AZ (from upstate NY) with our 11 month-old, and it was definitely stressful whenever he cried.  The reason it was stressful:  because I assume that everyone else on that airplane is a young, male, childfree Farker, pretty much the most hostile, least-sympathetic demographic one could possibly imagine.  I was stressed because I could just imagine everyone furiously typing anti-baby rants on their adorable little iDevices.

It was interesting, because normally I'm 100% focused on the baby if he's crying, trying to address his anguish.  But not ...




Why the hate for the childless? My wife and I choose to not have kids. Does the fact you squeezed a brat out make you a better person? Being a mom does not excuse dick behavior. Kids should be seen not heard in public. Respecting the other people on the flight is what you should have done. Keep the critter quiet or keep it at home.
 
2014-03-05 09:40:42 AM

TanHamster: I'm sure your baby will fondly remember Wicked and the Statue of Liberty forever from its unforgettable vacation. Those memories are worth terrorizing a hundred strangers for hours with continuous screaming and the foul stenches of a dead skunk drowned in a port-a-john.


I'm sure your baby will fondly remember the beautiful Arizona sights and the glorious vision of the desert forever from its unforgettable vacation to Arizona. Those memories are worth terrorizing a hundred strangers for hours with continuous screaming and the foul stenches of a dead skunk drowned in a port-a-john.

There you go.
 
2014-03-05 09:47:27 AM
A lot of this thread is about "parents need a break too" vs. "stay home with your kids until they're functioning adults".

But HOW do small children become functional adults without field practice?  Yes, occasional mistakes will be made, but you correct them and move on.  I don't take my kids to fancy restaurants after bedtime, but I DO expect them to behave properly at a fairly nice bistro in the middle of the afternoon while out adventuring in the city.  They eat real food, not fish fingers, so we go to real restaurants, and they sit still and eat with their forks, and speak politely to servers and neighboring diners.  They are 2 and 4, by the way.  If they don't, I pay the bill and we leave.  Occasionally, in the period between misbehaviour and leaving, there is a scene.  I try to minimize it.  Hopefully this will create people who can eat in public and conduct themselves appropriately as adults (which seems to be rare nowadays).

Same with travelling.  We travel a lot.  We own a soccer club, and go to a lot of tournament weekends.  How does a child learn to behave in a hotel, or on a train, or in an airport, if he has never been exposed to one with appropriate rules?  We flew from Toronto to Pheonix through Denver, where we were delayed for 7 hours, and my (then 3 and 10 month old) were among the most well-behaved there.  The 55-year-old guy who through a giant temper tantrum about sitting next to the 3 year old (who promptly fell asleep), hm?   And that trip was to stay at a golf resort and hike in Sedona and the Grand Canyon.  There were no other children there, and my kids had a fabulous time.  I'd rather take them to a place to experience SOMETHING, rather than canned family entertainment.

It's not about banning children from public places. It's about teaching them how to act in those places.
 
2014-03-05 09:50:09 AM

sjcousins: Ready-set: Yeah. Having children means making sacrifices. Too many parents have the 'my child is special and belongs everywhere at all times' mentality.

You can't have it both ways.

And too many people have the 'I'm special and deserve to never be mildly inconvenienced anywhere I go' mentality.


Keep that thought for when I'm using an air horn in your ear.
 
2014-03-05 09:50:10 AM
Civchic:
It's not about banning children from public places. It's about teaching them how to act in those places.

Its about teaching adults to parent their kids.
 
2014-03-05 09:50:30 AM
Hey, if you take up 1.5 seats on a plane buy both seats. If you bring your kid to an accepted adults only or family get away location of a civilized nature and it is going to cry buy the rooms around you. If you bring a baby to a bar or restraunt during times parents get babysitters to have adult time buy the place a round or stay home for a few years. Oh wait... No one will babysit for you and even your parents won't watch your kid? Reevaluate your life... You're doing it wrong and so will your kids.
 
2014-03-05 09:56:16 AM

Civchic: A lot of this thread is about "parents need a break too" vs. "stay home with your kids until they're functioning adults".

But HOW do small children become functional adults without field practice?  Yes, occasional mistakes will be made, but you correct them and move on.  I don't take my kids to fancy restaurants after bedtime, but I DO expect them to behave properly at a fairly nice bistro in the middle of the afternoon while out adventuring in the city.  They eat real food, not fish fingers, so we go to real restaurants, and they sit still and eat with their forks, and speak politely to servers and neighboring diners.  They are 2 and 4, by the way.  If they don't, I pay the bill and we leave.  Occasionally, in the period between misbehaviour and leaving, there is a scene.  I try to minimize it.  Hopefully this will create people who can eat in public and conduct themselves appropriately as adults (which seems to be rare nowadays).

Same with travelling.  We travel a lot.  We own a soccer club, and go to a lot of tournament weekends.  How does a child learn to behave in a hotel, or on a train, or in an airport, if he has never been exposed to one with appropriate rules?  We flew from Toronto to Pheonix through Denver, where we were delayed for 7 hours, and my (then 3 and 10 month old) were among the most well-behaved there.  The 55-year-old guy who through a giant temper tantrum about sitting next to the 3 year old (who promptly fell asleep), hm?   And that trip was to stay at a golf resort and hike in Sedona and the Grand Canyon.  There were no other children there, and my kids had a fabulous time.  I'd rather take them to a place to experience SOMETHING, rather than canned family entertainment.

It's not about banning children from public places. It's about teaching them how to act in those places.


Thank you.   They need to be exposed to learn.

At the same time, you have to be prepared to walk away from a meal.  Sometimes that means that one of us gets our food to go while the other walks the kid out.  If we are dining with others, well, sometimes I have to take the baby out and wait for everyone else.  If the kid is crying in the middle of the night at a hotel, then you have to put on a pair of jeans and take them for a walk to the lobby.
 
2014-03-05 10:04:42 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Being a mom does not excuse dick behavior. Kids should be seen not heard in public. Respecting the other people on the flight is what you should have done. Keep the critter quiet or keep it at home.


Being a mom does not excuse dick behavior.


Good, because I'm a dad!

Why the hate for the childless?

I'll answer that by directing your attention to your own words:  "Kids should be seen not heard in public. Respecting the other people on the flight is what you should have done. Keep the critter quiet or keep it at home."


Again, read what I wrote.  I said he cried 5-10 minutes.  My point was that my stress came about simply because I knew there'd be people like you grinding their teeth for those few minutes.
 
hej
2014-03-05 10:05:24 AM

Civchic: A lot of this thread is about "parents need a break too" vs. "stay home with your kids until they're functioning adults".

But HOW do small children become functional adults without field practice?


I've got a kid.  I didn't take him to movies, restaurants, book stores, or any other place people had a reasonable expectation for some peace and quiet until he was old enough to listen when I told him to behave (i.e. about 4 years old).  As far as I'm concerned, the "parents need a break too" crowd can F themselves if they think making me listen to their screaming seed is ok.
 
2014-03-05 10:06:55 AM

TheYeti: At the same time, you have to be prepared to walk away from a meal. Sometimes that means that one of us gets our food to go while the other walks the kid out. If we are dining with others, well, sometimes I have to take the baby out and wait for everyone else. If the kid is crying in the middle of the night at a hotel, then you have to put on a pair of jeans and take them for a walk to the lobby.


Yes, exactly.  I have spent half an hour walking round and round a restaurant with a cranky baby while the rest of my extended family enjoys Nana's birthday dinner out.  Fun, no.  Part of being a parent, yes.  Plus, my kids know that the death-whisper-hiss "If you don't cut that out NOW we are going out the CAR and you will NOT LIKE IT." means something.

I refuse to be "relegated to McDonald's, Disney cruises, etc" just because I had kids.  Kids that only ever go to McDonald's and Disney cruises end up mouth-breathing idiots who pick their noses at the table and talk on their cell phones in restaurants.
 
2014-03-05 10:10:58 AM
'Your comment will offer them compassion, as well as a reality check. (Oh, right, the walls aren't soundproof.) And perhaps it will give them an opportunity to explain their child's unhappiness. After all, you might feel more tolerant if you learn that the baby is, say, teething.'

Why would I be more tolerant if the kid is teething?  All the more reason they shouldn't bring it to a resort with other people trying to sleep.  It'd be one thing if they HAD to go out of town, for say a wedding or funeral I could understand, usually then your room could likely be next to someone who already knows you.

But the stupidest thing was the brother who wrote:
In conclusion, he wrote: 'If it's not a child, it will be a dog; if it's not a dog, it will be a group of drunken fraternity members, or a construction crew, or a leaky faucet.
'Maybe loud lovers, the TV in the next room, or a neighbor who leaves their radio clock on all night that will disturb your slumber. It's always something, isn't it?


If you're at a swanky ski resort, I doubt it'd be a dog or construction crew. Drunken frat boys could be dealt with either the same way as the parents w/their baby, or calling the front desk or cops.  Seriously though, this sort of response just nails the coffin about inconsideration.  Saying that "Well something might keep you up, so it might as well be me" is just asinine.  Like, hey, you might die from cancer or a car crash, or old age, so I might as well just slice your throat right now.
 
2014-03-05 10:12:24 AM
seriously... if you birth a screaming meatbag... dont force your suffering on us. get a baby sitter... if its too expensive.... WHAT THE fark ARE YOU SPENDING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON A TRIP FOR?!?!? feed your kids you rednecks, let us vacation in peace.
 
2014-03-05 10:12:57 AM
BayouOtter:
I'm sure your baby will fondly remember the beautiful Arizona sights and the glorious vision of the desert forever from its unforgettable vacation to Arizona. Those memories are worth terrorizing a hundred strangers for hours with continuous screaming and the foul stenches of a dead skunk drowned in a port-a-john.

There you go.



His AZ grandparents will remember the early 1st birthday that we celebrated.  Those memories are worth the 5-10 minutes of crying and 1 wet diaper change.

Anyway, ignore list for you.  I try to be patient with morons who fail at reading comprehension, but sometimes it's just too much.
 
2014-03-05 10:25:05 AM

hej: Civchic: A lot of this thread is about "parents need a break too" vs. "stay home with your kids until they're functioning adults".

But HOW do small children become functional adults without field practice?

I've got a kid.  I didn't take him to movies, restaurants, book stores, or any other place people had a reasonable expectation for some peace and quiet until he was old enough to listen when I told him to behave (i.e. about 4 years old).  As far as I'm concerned, the "parents need a break too" crowd can F themselves if they think making me listen to their screaming seed is ok.


Being in 'adult' settings should be a privilege that can be revoked if the child is not behaving and they are capable of understanding this about 3 or 4, or at least my kids were.
 
2014-03-05 10:31:52 AM
TanHamster:
His AZ grandparents will remember the early 1st birthday that we celebrated.  Those memories are worth the 5-10 minutes of crying and 1 wet diaper change.


Crazy idea, but maybe the grandparents could have flown to New York? More reasonable than the three hours (sorry, five minutes) your shiatmachine was screaming.

You're a still a selfish jackhole.
 
2014-03-05 10:32:44 AM

TanHamster: Mid_mo_mad_man: Being a mom does not excuse dick behavior. Kids should be seen not heard in public. Respecting the other people on the flight is what you should have done. Keep the critter quiet or keep it at home.


Being a mom does not excuse dick behavior.

Good, because I'm a dad!

Why the hate for the childless?

I'll answer that by directing your attention to your own words:  "Kids should be seen not heard in public. Respecting the other people on the flight is what you should have done. Keep the critter quiet or keep it at home."


Again, read what I wrote.  I said he cried 5-10 minutes.  My point was that my stress came about simply because I knew there'd be people like you grinding their teeth for those few minutes.




If you knew people would be grinding thier teeth you knew you were in the wrong.
 
2014-03-05 10:34:32 AM

BayouOtter: TanHamster:
His AZ grandparents will remember the early 1st birthday that we celebrated.  Those memories are worth the 5-10 minutes of crying and 1 wet diaper change.


Crazy idea, but maybe the grandparents could have flown to New York? More reasonable than the three hours (sorry, five minutes) your shiatmachine was screaming.

You're a still a selfish jackhole.


I take about 70 or so flights per year.  Babies on planes are not a big deal, at least for me.  I have no expectation of privacy or an 'adults-only' experience, so whatever.  They only really cry on take-off and landing (likely little ears popping) so no bigs.  Whenever I hear a baby on a plane crying I say to myself, 'I know how you feel, brother.'
 
2014-03-05 10:39:03 AM
Oh good, another "don't be so selfish and think of other people" thread where people selfishly whine about being inconvenienced by someone else's child.  There wasn't enough hypocrisy in the Politics tab so why not.

FTFA:  We need more people who think of others and less selfish ones.

Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?

Here's a thought: for a lot of people the planning window for a big vacation might be 12-18 months in advance, and the gestation period for a human baby is 10 months.  You could plan the vacation in advance and end up with a surprise in the interim.  Maybe go on vacation somewhere that you can get a decent hotel room that doesn't have paper thin walls or stay home if you can't afford it, because most likely if it wasn't the baby this idiot was pissed about it would have been the hours of screaming and moaning in the effort to inconvenience the people at next years vacation with a baby crying.
 
2014-03-05 10:41:57 AM

BayouOtter: TanHamster:
His AZ grandparents will remember the early 1st birthday that we celebrated.  Those memories are worth the 5-10 minutes of crying and 1 wet diaper change.


Crazy idea, but maybe the grandparents could have flown to New York? More reasonable than the three hours (sorry, five minutes) your shiatmachine was screaming.

You're a still a selfish jackhole.


So are you.  At least own it.
 
2014-03-05 10:47:59 AM

SeaMan Stainz: crotch fruit


I doubt the people who use this term ever realize how unf*ckable it makes them sound.
 
hej
2014-03-05 10:48:31 AM

JoieD'Zen: hej: Civchic: A lot of this thread is about "parents need a break too" vs. "stay home with your kids until they're functioning adults".

But HOW do small children become functional adults without field practice?

I've got a kid.  I didn't take him to movies, restaurants, book stores, or any other place people had a reasonable expectation for some peace and quiet until he was old enough to listen when I told him to behave (i.e. about 4 years old).  As far as I'm concerned, the "parents need a break too" crowd can F themselves if they think making me listen to their screaming seed is ok.

Being in 'adult' settings should be a privilege that can be revoked if the child is not behaving and they are capable of understanding this about 3 or 4, or at least my kids were.


I can't tell whether or not you're agreeing with me.
 
2014-03-05 10:50:57 AM

blindio: Oh good, another "don't be so selfish and think of other people" thread where people selfishly whine about being inconvenienced by someone else's child.  There wasn't enough hypocrisy in the Politics tab so why not.

Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?


Its the parents, stupid. Babies aren't responsible for terrorizing people because they don't understand what they are doing, but their farking parents know exactly what they are doing when they waltz into a nice restaurant with a screaming baby with shiat dribbling from its pampers.

Here's a thought: for a lot of people the planning window for a big vacation might be 12-18 months in advance, and the gestation period for a human baby is 10 months.  You could plan the vacation in advance and end up with a surprise in the interim.

Crazy thought - CANCEL THE farkING VACATION. You just had a baby - do you want to make a stressful period more stressful by trying to take care of a newborn in the middle of a strange place away from your friends, family, and without knowing where the closest diaper store is? What good is a vacation if you're spending the whole damn thing taking care of your new baby instead of doing the actual vacation things you wanted to do? Cancel it, give it to a friend, work out some kind of return, something. Do not drag your newborn baby to your rock-climbing, white water rafting getaway in Brazil.

Talk about farking stupid - then again you're postulating a situation where these people are too stupid to use condoms, birth control, spermicide, or abortion.
 
2014-03-05 10:51:16 AM

blindio: Oh good, another "don't be so selfish and think of other people" thread where people selfishly whine about being inconvenienced by someone else's child.  There wasn't enough hypocrisy in the Politics tab so why not.

FTFA:  We need more people who think of others and less selfish ones.

Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?

Here's a thought: for a lot of people the planning window for a big vacation might be 12-18 months in advance, and the gestation period for a human baby is 10 months.  You could plan the vacation in advance and end up with a surprise in the interim.  Maybe go on vacation somewhere that you can get a decent hotel room that doesn't have paper thin walls or stay home if you can't afford it, because most likely if it wasn't the baby this idiot was pissed about it would have been the hours of screaming and moaning in the effort to inconvenience the people at next years vacation with a baby crying.


It could be worse.

A note isn't as bad as a hotel sending security to the door with the first of 3 warnings. But then my roommates didn't have a baby. We just had a hyperactive semi-drunk cosplayer lesbian.

1st warning- shut up

2nd warning- our guest gets thrown out preferably via the window.  But security has to be polite so she gets to use the elevator and entrance.

3) we get thrown out without a refund.

Basically some whiny twit forgot the value of knocking on our door or heaven forbid using the phone to dial our room number.
 
2014-03-05 11:10:24 AM

BayouOtter: Crazy thought - CANCEL THE farkING VACATION. You just had a baby - do you want to make a stressful period more stressful by trying to take care of a newborn in the middle of a strange place away from your friends, family, and without knowing where the closest diaper store is? What good is a vacation if you're spending the whole damn thing taking care of your new baby instead of doing the actual vacation things you wanted to do?


You're projecting here.  I travel A LOT with my kids.  It really isn't hard, especially when they're tiny.  All you need is your boobs, some diapers, a baby wrap/carrier, and a safe place to occasionally lay them down (dresser drawer pulled out and on the floor will do.  Or bathtub with blanket nest).  A wrapped/swaddled infant rarely cries (at least not mine), and they can go anywhere you can go.  When they're bigger, they get noisier, but they still can eat local food, behave in public, etc - you just have to plan according to their stamina and leave room for changes of plans.  It's really not stressful, and as stated above, it's just what people outside of North America do.  Also - my children know that any adult around them is the boss in my stead - so if my kid acts up and I miss it, I fully expect and condone another adult to tell them to can it.

I do also travel without them, while they stay at Grandmas.  It's healthy for our marriage to have alone time, but it's not less stressful.  I just get to sleep later and stay out later.
 
2014-03-05 11:13:41 AM

cwolf20: blindio: Oh good, another "don't be so selfish and think of other people" thread where people selfishly whine about being inconvenienced by someone else's child.  There wasn't enough hypocrisy in the Politics tab so why not.

FTFA:  We need more people who think of others and less selfish ones.

Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?

Here's a thought: for a lot of people the planning window for a big vacation might be 12-18 months in advance, and the gestation period for a human baby is 10 months.  You could plan the vacation in advance and end up with a surprise in the interim.  Maybe go on vacation somewhere that you can get a decent hotel room that doesn't have paper thin walls or stay home if you can't afford it, because most likely if it wasn't the baby this idiot was pissed about it would have been the hours of screaming and moaning in the effort to inconvenience the people at next years vacation with a baby crying.

It could be worse.

A note isn't as bad as a hotel sending security to the door with the first of 3 warnings. But then my roommates didn't have a baby. We just had a hyperactive semi-drunk cosplayer lesbian.

1st warning- shut up

2nd warning- our guest gets thrown out preferably via the window.  But security has to be polite so she gets to use the elevator and entrance.

3) we get thrown out without a refund.

Basically some whiny twit forgot the value of knocking on our door or heaven forbid using the phone to dial our room number.


Why should they? First off, common courtesy should be enough to keep you from making a bunch of noise in a hotel room in the first place. This is a classic example of you trying to put the responsibility for your actions on others. Second, if I hear a group of drunks making a lot of noise, I'm not going to stick my nose into it, you never know how people are going to react in this day and age. Thy're just as likely to punch you in the face or tell you to go fark yourself as anything else. Calling hotel security is the right call in that situation.

If I'm understanding your post correctly, you got thrown out after a third warning, so if two previous warnings weren't enough to get you to quiet down, how would a knock on the door or phone call have changed things?
 
2014-03-05 11:23:47 AM

ReapTheChaos: cwolf20: blindio: Oh good, another "don't be so selfish and think of other people" thread where people selfishly whine about being inconvenienced by someone else's child.  There wasn't enough hypocrisy in the Politics tab so why not.

FTFA:  We need more people who think of others and less selfish ones.

Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?

Here's a thought: for a lot of people the planning window for a big vacation might be 12-18 months in advance, and the gestation period for a human baby is 10 months.  You could plan the vacation in advance and end up with a surprise in the interim.  Maybe go on vacation somewhere that you can get a decent hotel room that doesn't have paper thin walls or stay home if you can't afford it, because most likely if it wasn't the baby this idiot was pissed about it would have been the hours of screaming and moaning in the effort to inconvenience the people at next years vacation with a baby crying.

It could be worse.

A note isn't as bad as a hotel sending security to the door with the first of 3 warnings. But then my roommates didn't have a baby. We just had a hyperactive semi-drunk cosplayer lesbian.

1st warning- shut up

2nd warning- our guest gets thrown out preferably via the window.  But security has to be polite so she gets to use the elevator and entrance.

3) we get thrown out without a refund.

Basically some whiny twit forgot the value of knocking on our door or heaven forbid using the phone to dial our room number.

Why should they? First off, common courtesy should be enough to keep you from making a bunch of noise in a hotel room in the first place. This is a classic example of you trying to put the responsibility for your actions on others. Second, if I hear a group of drunks making a lot of noise, I'm not going to stick my nose into it, you never know how people are going to react in this day and age. Thy're just as likely to punch you in the face or ...


Nope. stopped at first warning.  Because I'm the type of person who would take a phone call at the point it's intended and shut the hell up.  We all 3 walked her back the 3 blocks to her hotel at 4am.  Her outfit might have caused an assault in that area.  Came back to the room.  Packed our things.  Slept.  Left the next day which was check out. And everyone was happy.
 
2014-03-05 11:27:07 AM
Mid_mo_mad_man:  If you knew people would be grinding thier teeth you knew you were in the wrong.


No.  If you're grinding your teeth, you're in the wrong.  Babies cry because they need something (need to eat, need to sleep, need to be changed.)  Those needs can all be met, and babies will still cry.  What I'm saying is that the "ugh, babies" mentality isn't helpful at all to the human species.  The purpose of life is to reproduce, and that involves raising babies.  The childfree-by-choice people sitting on the sidelines, making snarky comments to the weary parents of babies, are useless from evolutionary and social standpoints.  They're not helping to ensure the survival of the species.  ("Yeah, but we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet !!1one!!"  Childfree-by-choice people love to hide behind that excuse.)


The reason we are on this planet right now is because of the thousands of generations of ancestral hominidae that reproduced.  I don't know if childfree-by-choice people understand the enormity of their decision to terminate hundreds of thousands of years of evolution because they can't deal with a [crying/soiled] baby.  "Keep that baby away from my leather seats, yo!"  Grow up.
 
2014-03-05 11:27:20 AM
When I go out, I expect that there are others with factors to consider that I do not, and they may be inconvenient for me.  Sometimes when I go out I might end up next to someone with Alzheimers who says weird crap next to me.  Or I might end up next to a woman in a crowded theater who is on oxygen that makes that annoying his every 10 seconds (American Hustle, grr).  Yes it's aggravating, just like it's aggravating to go on vacation and have someone making noise in the next room while I'm trying to sleep: such as a crying baby, or drunks.  In any case, you could complain about any of these things, but if your expectation is that everywhere you go, everyone else should be required to have a completely unfettered, carefree lifestyle so that you don't have to notice them then you're the asshole.  If you're that intolerant of any human that isn't just like you, then it's your burden to make sure you go somewhere that doesn't accommodate children, or where they won't be present.  If they bother you that much, you could go through the trouble of making sure your room is isolated from them.  Everyone else isn't going to just live in their basements for fear of offending your delicate ear drums.  85% of people end up having children.  That means businesses ARE going to accommodate people with children.  They are not going to ban families because you want to live in some childless dystopic bizaro world.  If your expectation is that this is ever going to change, prepare to be disappointed.
 
2014-03-05 11:34:05 AM

ReapTheChaos: cwolf20: blindio: Oh good, another "don't be so selfish and think of other people" thread where people selfishly whine about being inconvenienced by someone else's child.  There wasn't enough hypocrisy in the Politics tab so why not.

FTFA:  We need more people who think of others and less selfish ones.

Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?

Here's a thought: for a lot of people the planning window for a big vacation might be 12-18 months in advance, and the gestation period for a human baby is 10 months.  You could plan the vacation in advance and end up with a surprise in the interim.  Maybe go on vacation somewhere that you can get a decent hotel room that doesn't have paper thin walls or stay home if you can't afford it, because most likely if it wasn't the baby this idiot was pissed about it would have been the hours of screaming and moaning in the effort to inconvenience the people at next years vacation with a baby crying.

It could be worse.

A note isn't as bad as a hotel sending security to the door with the first of 3 warnings. But then my roommates didn't have a baby. We just had a hyperactive semi-drunk cosplayer lesbian.

1st warning- shut up

2nd warning- our guest gets thrown out preferably via the window.  But security has to be polite so she gets to use the elevator and entrance.

3) we get thrown out without a refund.

Basically some whiny twit forgot the value of knocking on our door or heaven forbid using the phone to dial our room number.

Why should they? First off, common courtesy should be enough to keep you from making a bunch of noise in a hotel room in the first place. This is a classic example of you trying to put the responsibility for your actions on others. Second, if I hear a group of drunks making a lot of noise, I'm not going to stick my nose into it, you never know how people are going to react in this day and age. Thy're just as likely to punch you in the face or ...


My listing of the warnings were purely what the security guard read off to my DragonCon roommate who chooses as a fit toned man to go topless the entire weekend for his own enjoyment and enjoyment of the various females.  He shocked the guard into a few seconds of silence when he answered the door.

The following year was interesting though. She was our roommate that time.  And a security guard used polite words to explain to us as we were walking her out to DragonCon, that the hotel frowns upon whores. And we need to cover her up and take her back to her pimp as soon as possible.

Actual wording "This is a high class hotel and she is wearing an outfit that could.. cause certain gentlemen to make unseemly advances.  Please get her out quickly and take her back where she belongs"

DragonCon is such a high class shindig, that anything less than victorian costume must be unseemly.

I love Ritz-Carlton downtown Atlanta where the parking has a 30 percent chance of your window being smashed in on your car and various things being stolen. Don't you?
 
2014-03-05 11:35:07 AM

spiderpaz: When I go out, I expect that there are others with factors to consider that I do not, and they may be inconvenient for me.  Sometimes when I go out I might end up next to someone with Alzheimers who says weird crap next to me.  Or I might end up next to a woman in a crowded theater who is on oxygen that makes that annoying his every 10 seconds (American Hustle, grr).  Yes it's aggravating, just like it's aggravating to go on vacation and have someone making noise in the next room while I'm trying to sleep: such as a crying baby, or drunks.  In any case, you could complain about any of these things, but if your expectation is that everywhere you go, everyone else should be required to have a completely unfettered, carefree lifestyle so that you don't have to notice them then you're the asshole.  If you're that intolerant of any human that isn't just like you, then it's your burden to make sure you go somewhere that doesn't accommodate children, or where they won't be present.  If they bother you that much, you could go through the trouble of making sure your room is isolated from them.  Everyone else isn't going to just live in their basements for fear of offending your delicate ear drums.  85% of people end up having children.  That means businesses ARE going to accommodate people with children.  They are not going to ban families because you want to live in some childless dystopic bizaro world.  If your expectation is that this is ever going to change, prepare to be disappointed.



Why would you post a rational, logical, copacetic and cromulent comment like this on Fark?
 
2014-03-05 11:37:46 AM

cwolf20: Nope. stopped at first warning.  Because I'm the type of person who would take a phone call at the point it's intended and shut the hell up.  We all 3 walked her back the 3 blocks to her hotel at 4am.  Her outfit might have caused an assault in that area. Came back to the room.  Packed our things.  Slept.  Left the next day which was check out. And everyone was happy.



That one's going to get you a lot of heat for perpetuating the rape culture around here.
 
2014-03-05 11:37:48 AM

TanHamster: Mid_mo_mad_man:  If you knew people would be grinding thier teeth you knew you were in the wrong.


No.  If you're grinding your teeth, you're in the wrong.  Babies cry because they need something (need to eat, need to sleep, need to be changed.)  Those needs can all be met, and babies will still cry.  What I'm saying is that the "ugh, babies" mentality isn't helpful at all to the human species.  The purpose of life is to reproduce, and that involves raising babies.  The childfree-by-choice people sitting on the sidelines, making snarky comments to the weary parents of babies, are useless from evolutionary and social standpoints.  They're not helping to ensure the survival of the species.  ("Yeah, but we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet !!1one!!"  Childfree-by-choice people love to hide behind that excuse.)


The reason we are on this planet right now is because of the thousands of generations of ancestral hominidae that reproduced.  I don't know if childfree-by-choice people understand the enormity of their decision to terminate hundreds of thousands of years of evolution because they can't deal with a [crying/soiled] baby.  "Keep that baby away from my leather seats, yo!"  Grow up.




Wtf dude. Passing on your gentic heritage doesn't excuse rude behavior. I don't pay for a first class ticket just to hear babies.
 
2014-03-05 11:41:02 AM

spiderpaz: cwolf20: Nope. stopped at first warning.  Because I'm the type of person who would take a phone call at the point it's intended and shut the hell up.  We all 3 walked her back the 3 blocks to her hotel at 4am.  Her outfit might have caused an assault in that area. Came back to the room.  Packed our things.  Slept.  Left the next day which was check out. And everyone was happy.


That one's going to get you a lot of heat for perpetuating the rape culture around here.


You should have seen the outfit.  She refused to walk back due to her own fears of what would happen. And hell if we were going to let her walk alone.
 
2014-03-05 11:41:54 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: TanHamster: Mid_mo_mad_man:  If you knew people would be grinding thier teeth you knew you were in the wrong.


No.  If you're grinding your teeth, you're in the wrong.  Babies cry because they need something (need to eat, need to sleep, need to be changed.)  Those needs can all be met, and babies will still cry.  What I'm saying is that the "ugh, babies" mentality isn't helpful at all to the human species.  The purpose of life is to reproduce, and that involves raising babies.  The childfree-by-choice people sitting on the sidelines, making snarky comments to the weary parents of babies, are useless from evolutionary and social standpoints.  They're not helping to ensure the survival of the species.  ("Yeah, but we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet !!1one!!"  Childfree-by-choice people love to hide behind that excuse.)


The reason we are on this planet right now is because of the thousands of generations of ancestral hominidae that reproduced.  I don't know if childfree-by-choice people understand the enormity of their decision to terminate hundreds of thousands of years of evolution because they can't deal with a [crying/soiled] baby.  "Keep that baby away from my leather seats, yo!"  Grow up.

Wtf dude. Passing on your gentic heritage doesn't excuse rude behavior. I don't pay for a first class ticket just to hear babies.


I'm sure you didn't think you did when bought it, but since the airline you chose also sells first class tickets to parents taking babies on the plane, it turns out that if one of them purchased a ticket, you actually did.  If this is a problem, the only realistic way for you to address it is to take it up with the airlines until you find one that is willing to initiate such a policy.
 
2014-03-05 11:44:54 AM

TenJed_77: DittoToo: ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.

That's because american children don't behave. 18 years in France, I've seen hundreds of children in restaurants and not one tantrum.


CETTE.
 
2014-03-05 11:47:21 AM

spiderpaz: Mid_mo_mad_man: TanHamster: Mid_mo_mad_man:  If you knew people would be grinding thier teeth you knew you were in the wrong.


No.  If you're grinding your teeth, you're in the wrong.  Babies cry because they need something (need to eat, need to sleep, need to be changed.)  Those needs can all be met, and babies will still cry.  What I'm saying is that the "ugh, babies" mentality isn't helpful at all to the human species.  The purpose of life is to reproduce, and that involves raising babies.  The childfree-by-choice people sitting on the sidelines, making snarky comments to the weary parents of babies, are useless from evolutionary and social standpoints.  They're not helping to ensure the survival of the species.  ("Yeah, but we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet !!1one!!"  Childfree-by-choice people love to hide behind that excuse.)


The reason we are on this planet right now is because of the thousands of generations of ancestral hominidae that reproduced.  I don't know if childfree-by-choice people understand the enormity of their decision to terminate hundreds of thousands of years of evolution because they can't deal with a [crying/soiled] baby.  "Keep that baby away from my leather seats, yo!"  Grow up.

Wtf dude. Passing on your gentic heritage doesn't excuse rude behavior. I don't pay for a first class ticket just to hear babies.

I'm sure you didn't think you did when bought it, but since the airline you chose also sells first class tickets to parents taking babies on the plane, it turns out that if one of them purchased a ticket, you actually did.  If this is a problem, the only realistic way for you to address it is to take it up with the airlines until you find one that is willing to initiate such a policy.




I would be willing to pay extra for a child free flight. I bet I couldn't be only one who would.
 
2014-03-05 11:52:35 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: I don't pay for a first class ticket just to hear babies.

I'm sure you didn't think you did when bought it, but since the airline you chose also sells first class tickets to parents taking babies on the plane, it turns out that if one of them purchased a ticket, you actually did.  If this is a problem, the only realistic way for you to address it is to take it up with the airlines until you find one that is willing to initiate such a policy.

I would be willing to pay extra for a child free flight. I bet I couldn't be only one who would.



Well I've just given you a road map to victory: get on it.  If there's so many people that would be willing to pay more for a guaranteed child free flight, then it would be a money maker for the airlines, and if you watched freakonomics that means they're guaranteed to do it.  You may have just ended the recession!
 
2014-03-05 11:59:49 AM

cwolf20: spiderpaz: cwolf20: Nope. stopped at first warning.  Because I'm the type of person who would take a phone call at the point it's intended and shut the hell up.  We all 3 walked her back the 3 blocks to her hotel at 4am.  Her outfit might have caused an assault in that area. Came back to the room.  Packed our things.  Slept.  Left the next day which was check out. And everyone was happy.


That one's going to get you a lot of heat for perpetuating the rape culture around here.

You should have seen the outfit.  She refused to walk back due to her own fears of what would happen. And hell if we were going to let her walk alone.




Without seeing a pic I can't tell if she was in danger.
 
2014-03-05 12:03:30 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: cwolf20: spiderpaz: cwolf20: Nope. stopped at first warning.  Because I'm the type of person who would take a phone call at the point it's intended and shut the hell up.  We all 3 walked her back the 3 blocks to her hotel at 4am.  Her outfit might have caused an assault in that area. Came back to the room.  Packed our things.  Slept.  Left the next day which was check out. And everyone was happy.


That one's going to get you a lot of heat for perpetuating the rape culture around here.

You should have seen the outfit.  She refused to walk back due to her own fears of what would happen. And hell if we were going to let her walk alone.

Without seeing a pic I can't tell if she was in danger.


Considering the alcohol in her system, I doubt she could see it if she stood in front of her mirror. Her fears were more 3 or more years related than having anything to do with the outfit.
 
2014-03-05 12:03:31 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: TanHamster: Mid_mo_mad_man:  If you knew people would be grinding thier teeth you knew you were in the wrong.


No.  If you're grinding your teeth, you're in the wrong.  Babies cry because they need something (need to eat, need to sleep, need to be changed.)  Those needs can all be met, and babies will still cry.  What I'm saying is that the "ugh, babies" mentality isn't helpful at all to the human species.  The purpose of life is to reproduce, and that involves raising babies.  The childfree-by-choice people sitting on the sidelines, making snarky comments to the weary parents of babies, are useless from evolutionary and social standpoints.  They're not helping to ensure the survival of the species.  ("Yeah, but we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet !!1one!!"  Childfree-by-choice people love to hide behind that excuse.)


The reason we are on this planet right now is because of the thousands of generations of ancestral hominidae that reproduced.  I don't know if childfree-by-choice people understand the enormity of their decision to terminate hundreds of thousands of years of evolution because they can't deal with a [crying/soiled] baby.  "Keep that baby away from my leather seats, yo!"  Grow up.

Wtf dude. Passing on your gentic heritage doesn't excuse rude behavior. I don't pay for a first class ticket just to hear babies.



Yeah, man.  Babies are loud.  Unlike the sound pressure level of two 50,000-lb-thrust turbofans through 6 inches of fuselage.
 
2014-03-05 12:07:19 PM

Brainsick: elguerodiablo: MustardTiger: I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.

Have you ever seen a jelly fish eating a baby?  Me either.  But I bet that's pretty awesome.

You'd have better luck with a squid, jellyfish don't really have the means to masticate (which I assume is the part you want to see)


Yeah.  Jellyfish are carnivorous, but they're more like small, mobile sarlaacs.  If you were a really tiny Boba Fett they'd give you nightmares.

css: One time as a child I found a deflated balloon on the beach.  It wasn't a balloon.  I don't like balloons anymore.

Technically, squids can't masticate, either, since they don't have teeth, but they can certainly snip you into bite-side pieces with their beaks, which I guess is close enough.  A Humboldt squid would do the job nicely.  They've been known to drag people out of boats and partially eat them.  It may be that they aren't aggressive unless aggravated by flashing lights, so be sure to hand the kid a glowstick or something first.
 
2014-03-05 12:21:37 PM

DittoToo: If you see child seats, and the hostess handing out crayons, then maybe you should think a little harder about where you are taking your date.


I understand that in a shared space I have to accept a little bit of compromise, and try not to be a complainer.

You're kicking solid wisdom here though.
 
2014-03-05 12:25:59 PM

Persnickety: piltdown: Oh good, a "hate the breeders" thread.  These are always funny.

Kids and parents are the only group that it is still politically correct to be a full-on bigot about.  The rage is so bottled up that when folks finally get a chance to let it out, it's like a tsunami through the flood gates.


It's still pretty safe to hate fat people.

I came up with a theory about politeness when I lived in Korea.  It goes like this: people only have so much politeness in them they can dish out over the course of a day.  What varies from culture to culture isn't so much HOW polite people are, but HOW THEY DISTRIBUTE their "quota" of politeness,  So you can be a little bit polite to everybody you meet, or you can be very polite to a few people and rude to everyone else, but the total amount stays pretty much the same.

Maybe bigotry works the same way.  Perhaps it's like squeezing a hose.  It's the same amount of water either way.
 
2014-03-05 12:29:07 PM

BayouOtter: Crazy thought - CANCEL THE farkING VACATION.


Crazy thought:  If someone else is upsetting you during your vacation, cancel your vacation, and stay at home and don't go out in public where you have to deal with other people.

Personally, I wouldn't expect someone ti give up their non-refundable deposit because someone they'll never meet might be mildly inconvenienced.  Buck up and buy some earplugs if it bugs you so bad.

I'm just saying it's possible.  My point is that they were not necessarily planning a vacation with a child in mind, and they don't mind taking turns to go do the vacation stuff that the baby can't participate in.  Maybe they don't even ski, maybe they just like the view.  If you don't like it, it's not their problem.  If you want to refund their vacation costs, they might take you up on it, but you're not the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable for them to do.

BayouOtter: Talk about farking stupid - then again you're postulating a situation where these people are too stupid to use condoms, birth control, spermicide, or abortion.


BayouOtter: but their farking parents know exactly what they are doing when they waltz into a nice restaurant with a screaming baby with shiat dribbling from its pampers.


So.. you can generate pure hyperbole to support your argument, but if I propose a possibility I'm stupid.  Got it.  Then again, even though I'm pro-choice, I'm not sure I think abortion is a reasonable solution to finding out you're pregnant before you go on vacation.

I don't quite get how you think that adults are the only people allowed to be in public, or using public accommodations.  I'm sure you've guessed by now that I have children.  They're generally well behaved, and if they act up in a restaurant or some place like that I'll remove them, but it's not to accommodate other people, it's to teach them about how to behave in a public setting.  That said, the only feeling I have toward other parents who are dealing with crying babies or misbehaving children is sympathy and in some cases kinship.  I get that you and people like you think parenting should be a prison sentence, and I'm sorry it bothers you that the world doesn't work that way.  Good luck with that.
 
2014-03-05 12:36:32 PM

hej: JoieD'Zen: hej: Civchic: A lot of this thread is about "parents need a break too" vs. "stay home with your kids until they're functioning adults".

But HOW do small children become functional adults without field practice?

I've got a kid.  I didn't take him to movies, restaurants, book stores, or any other place people had a reasonable expectation for some peace and quiet until he was old enough to listen when I told him to behave (i.e. about 4 years old).  As far as I'm concerned, the "parents need a break too" crowd can F themselves if they think making me listen to their screaming seed is ok.

Being in 'adult' settings should be a privilege that can be revoked if the child is not behaving and they are capable of understanding this about 3 or 4, or at least my kids were.

I can't tell whether or not you're agreeing with me.


Yes.
 
2014-03-05 12:56:57 PM

DittoToo: I took my daughter to see the Lego movie tonight.  She's whatever years old.  It doesn't mater because it was the theater's designated kids showing for the day.  Early screening and on a Tuesday.  We were the only ones with a kid.  Kid was going "Oh no!!!" and "Yeh!" and "Wowwaahh!" and I could hear the adults around us hissing between their teeth every time.  Not all, mind you, but enough.  I wish one of them would have had the audacity to say something but it never happened.  I would have enjoyed explaining the concept of kids night to them.

I feel the same way about Olive Garden, TGI Fridays, Outback, or even any local family dining joint.  If you see child seats, and the hostess handing out crayons, then maybe you should think a little harder about where you are taking your date.


But that's the Lego movie. Imagine if it had been some kind of more adult move like The Hobit.
 
2014-03-05 01:04:26 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters. There are stories like this where parents are taking their babies to places inappropriate for them.

Being a parent means making some sacrifices. But somehow, somewhere along the line that concept was thrown out and parents just became selfish, self-centered brats for whom the baby is just an accessory to be gawked at by strangers.


Went to the movies one night for a 10pm showing of something... forget what, I suspect Avengers maybe? Anyhow, some couple felt they should bring their 1-2 year old with them to this...

They got into a yelling match with some older guy who asked them to quiet the child or take it outside, even cursing the old man to "shut the fark up and mind your business"...

Shortly after that they left, very shortly after that the manager and a cop came in there looking around for them...
 
2014-03-05 01:04:40 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Krieghund: AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening.

I got a kick out of all the people on this thread biatching about infants being at restaurants after 9 PM, because it's 2 AM where I am and the only reason I'm up is because my infant is eating.

9 PM seems like a pretty reasonable time to take an infant out to eat. The dinner rush is over and most places are pretty empty.
Now, I'm not going to let the kid scream (I'd take her outside first) but it's nice to eat at off-peak hours.

Eat at home.

 
2014-03-05 01:10:08 PM

pho75: I took an 11 month old to the Keys once and stayed in a nice, but not super nice, hotel in Miami the night before flying home. As we get off the elevator, some white-pants (after memorial day, no less) wearing bros mention that the "kid better not keep us up tonight." I advised them the kid would be fine. All went well and then, around 2 am, the bros returned from the local southbeach hellhole drunk and roudy. Everyone but my kid woke up.

Bro 1 and Bro 2 then get into an argument about how one was flirting with other boys. Blows are exchanged. Bro 1 retires to his room and sobs gently into his pillow, Bro 2 apparently left. The next morning, I see Bro 1 on the elevator going down and mock him relentlessly on the 26 floor ride down to the elevator.

The moral of my awsome story is this: In my 30 something years on this planet, adults are often the biggest source of annoying, rude behavior. That loud, drunk guy at the fancy restaurant is almost always a bigger distraction than the one or two children present. The annoying screaming woman at the sporting event or concert is exponentially more annoying than the bored toddler. The dude who won't put his phone down at the movie theater is certainly worse than the kid who exclaims "wow" or "bad guy" in a movie. [Don't go to a disney movie and then complain that the children ruined your experience, ass wipe]. While exceptions exist, adults are by far the worst offenders and people who biatch about kids usually need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

 
2014-03-05 01:15:58 PM

TanHamster: GCD: Just got back from a week in Florida with our 9-month old son. We expected the worst, but aside from a few minor outbursts (which 9-month old kids tend to have), the kid was a champ for the entire trip.

First flight? I figured I'd be buying those little bottles of airplane booze for us and everyone else. I even had budgeted for it. But nope, the kid proved me entirely wrong. No problems at all. Maybe a little more fuss than usual on take off and landing, but not unbearable by any means (and compared to some of the older kids on the plane he was a saint).

Flight home? He was a little more fussy, but we had the red-eye, so his routine was off...and again, compared to the several other hellions that were around us, this kid was golden. He slept for 90% of the trip...while the 2-year old behind us was a pure holy terror (to the point where the flight attendant had to step in).

I will readily admit that he was a little fussy at times, but again...he's 9-months old (and we suspect he's teething), plus he's off his regular routine. When we went out to breakfast and he was awesome....dinners were a little more fussy though because they were a little later than his usual bedtime, but he was still good...and it wasn't like we sat there and stuffed our faces while he screamed bloody murder...our meals would be cold by the time we got to eat them.

Believe me...when it's "your kid" doing the screaming...it sucks.


Just flew out to AZ (from upstate NY) with our 11 month-old, and it was definitely stressful whenever he cried.  The reason it was stressful:  because I assume that everyone else on that airplane is a young, male, childfree Farker, pretty much the most hostile, least-sympathetic demographic one could possibly imagine.  I was stressed because I could just imagine everyone furiously typing anti-baby rants on their adorable little iDevices.

It was interesting, because normally I'm 100% focused on the baby if he's crying, trying to address his anguish.  But not ...



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2014-03-05 01:25:26 PM
Well, I'm glad she cared to share how much her baby ruined other peoples weekend... although I doubt she, and a few parents here learned anything from it.
People go out to have a enjoyable time. Listening to your brat scream and run about the place is not part of a good time.

I know it's a ski lodge and a baby, but I like to break this out when possible....

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2014-03-05 01:28:03 PM
blindio: BayouOtter: Crazy thought - CANCEL THE farkING VACATION.

Crazy thought:  If someone else is upsetting you during your vacation, cancel your vacation, and stay at home and don't go out in public where you have to deal with other people.

Personally, I wouldn't expect someone ti give up their non-refundable deposit because someone they'll never meet might be mildly inconvenienced.  Buck up and buy some earplugs if it bugs you so bad.

I'm just saying it's possible.  My point is that they were not necessarily planning a vacation with a child in mind, and they don't mind taking turns to go do the vacation stuff that the baby can't participate in.  Maybe they don't even ski, maybe they just like the view.  If you don't like it, it's not their problem.  If you want to refund their vacation costs, they might take you up on it, but you're not the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable for them to do.

BayouOtter: Talk about farking stupid - then again you're postulating a situation where these people are too stupid to use condoms, birth control, spermicide, or abortion.


BayouOtter: but their farking parents know exactly what they are doing when they waltz into a nice restaurant with a screaming baby with shiat dribbling from its pampers.

So.. you can generate pure hyperbole to support your argument, but if I propose a possibility I'm stupid.  Got it.  Then again, even though I'm pro-choice, I'm not sure I think abortion is a reasonable solution to finding out you're pregnant before you go on vacation.


I don't quite get how you think that adults are the only people allowed to be in public, or using public accommodations.  I'm sure you've guessed by now that I have children.  They're generally well behaved, and if they act up in a restaurant or some place like that I'll remove them, but it's not to accommodate other people, it's to teach them about how to behave in a public setting.  That said, the only feeling I have toward other parents who are dealing with crying ba ...
 
2014-03-05 01:43:21 PM
Two16, did you forget to take your meds?
 
2014-03-05 01:53:01 PM

TanHamster: Two16, did you forget to take your meds?


2 beers with Drew apparently hasn't been prescribed to him for a few years.
 
2014-03-05 02:04:17 PM

blindio: BayouOtter: Crazy thought - CANCEL THE farkING VACATION.

Crazy thought:  If someone else is upsetting you during your vacation, cancel your vacation, and stay at home and don't go out in public where you have to deal with other people.


Well the difference is that you as the parent knew that there was going to be a little shiat'n'scream machine there, so its your responsibility to not bring it. Its obvious you're a dumbass, though, because you're screwing with no protection and are incapable of family planning. How you manage to set up a vacation a year in advance is beyond me.So instead you just bullheaded plough on through with no concern for other people.

Personally, I wouldn't expect someone ti give up their non-refundable deposit because someone they'll never meet might be mildly inconvenienced.  Buck up and buy some earplugs if it bugs you so bad.


I wouldn't expect someone to drag their newborn on a vacation, but here you are, pushing the boundary of how stupid people can be. Let me just take a shiat on your shiat on your wife - just hose her off if it bothers you so badly.

I'm just saying it's possible.  My point is that they were not necessarily planning a vacation with a child in mind, and they don't mind taking turns to go do the vacation stuff that the baby can't participate in.  Maybe they don't even ski, maybe they just like the view.  If you don't like it, it's not their problem.  If you want to refund their vacation costs, they might take you up on it, but you're not the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable for them to do.

I'm as free to spoil their vacation as they are mine, then? Thats totally acceptable for me to deliberately spoil their time? Got it, thanks. Thats what you're saying here, basically - its alright to ruin other people's vacations but yours is sacrosanct. Maybe if your baby is wailing all night you should be refunding their vacation costs. Its only fair, right?

So.. you can generate pure hyperbole to support your argument, but if I propose a possibility I'm stupid.  Got it.  Then again, even though I'm pro-choice, I'm not sure I think abortion is a reasonable solution to finding out you're pregnant before you go on vacation.

Well, reasonable people would know how to not have babies on accident, you know, basic family planning. You counter that people would be stupid and pig-headed enough to drag a newborn along on their vacation, and I'm just extrapolating what else your idiots would likely do. As apparently everything and everyone around them is inconsequential and only their feelings and experiences matter.

I don't quite get how you think that adults are the only people allowed to be in public, or using public accommodations.  I'm sure you've guessed by now that I have children.

I think that you should be considerate of others. I assumed you're a parent, but I also rightly guessed that you're a self-centered prick that believes the world revolves around yourself and your children.

They're generally well behaved, and if they act up in a restaurant or some place like that I'll remove them, but it's not to accommodate other people, it's to teach them about how to behave in a public setting.

Yeah, exactly. fark other people and their feelings, its all about your control and following your rules. When I'm with my nieces and nephews and they act up, I apologize to the people they bothered because I'm responsible for those kids and therefore when they create a negative experience for others I'm responsible for that. I'd like for them to grow up and act well in public not because I correct them, but because its the right and polite thing to do in consideration of other people.

I don't dislike you for being a parent, I dislike you for being a shiatty parent who teaches his kids to be inconsiderate of others.


That said, the only feeling I have toward other parents who are dealing with crying babies or misbehaving children is sympathy and in some cases kinship.  I get that you and people like you think parenting should be a prison sentence, and I'm sorry it bothers you that the world doesn't work that way.  Good luck with that.

Some people think of empathy as a horrible torture, as consider for others a prison. We call them sociopaths. That would be you, buddy. Give your kids up for adoption and sterilize yourself - break the cycle.
 
2014-03-05 02:14:59 PM

lohphat: We as aa a society have forgotten how to treat others, be considerate of others' needs outside of your own, and not impinge on others' right to a private outing instead of being attention whores monopolizing the venue by being disruptive.


Let's repeat this MANNERS ARE DEAD! This is the problem it works both ways.
 
2014-03-05 02:44:20 PM
Oh I am reading this thread again, and I can see there is no shortage of people who will NEVER inconvenience themselves to avoid inconveniencing others.  Best of all when people DARE suggest they think of others, they get all YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME AND MY BABY as if they are the victims.  The best sort of selfish asshole is the one who simply cannot see it and so completely believes their behavior/choices are completely reasonable - as such they have decided that those people who where raised to consider other people "are the real assholes."  It is downright sad that they actually think that way, and completely depressing.  Just when I think my faith in humanity cannot get much lower...

Then we have arguments where people are arguing against imaginary complaints.  No one is complaining that you HAVE a baby, just what you CHOOSE to do with that baby without regard for other people.  But you don't get it, and won't get it no matter what.  I'm not even going to address specific people here at the moment.  I can see you are beyond convincing no matter what I nor anyone else types.

My final thought on this though is this - public shaming needs to emerge in a big way.  People are far too afraid to do it because everyone is too afraid of confrontation even when they and everyone around them are largely thinking the same thing.  Generally no one says anything, and that needs to change.
 
2014-03-05 02:48:36 PM
BayouOtter: I don't dislike you for being a parent, I dislike you for being a shiatty parent who teaches his kids to be inconsiderate of others.

/thead
 
2014-03-05 02:56:02 PM
Guess thats better than the flaming bag of poo I left in the hall.
 
2014-03-05 03:31:52 PM

BayouOtter: Well the difference is that you as the parent knew that there was going to be a little shiat'n'scream machine there, so its your responsibility to not bring it.


No, it isn't.  It's my responsibility to feed them, put clothes on them, vaccinate them, and get them education as mandated by law. It is my personally accepted additional obligation to teach them to be happy, healthy, well adjusted children.  I have no obligation to bend to your desire that you not ever have children around you.

BayouOtter: Its obvious you're a dumbass, though, because you're screwing with no protection and are incapable of family planning.


Believe it or not, some people have babies on purpose.  Or are you still advocating abortion as a vacation planning methodology instead of people having to *gasp* hear a baby cry once in a while?

BayouOtter: Let me just take a shiat on your shiat on your wife - just hose her off if it bothers you so badly.


Yeah, that's the same.  Exactly the same.  This might be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on fark.  That's magnificient.  You shall be remembered for it. (farked: wants to shiat on my wife because I have children. weirdo.)

BayouOtter: I'm as free to spoil their vacation as they are mine, then? Thats totally acceptable for me to deliberately spoil their time? Got it, thanks. Thats what you're saying here, basically - its alright to ruin other people's vacations but yours is sacrosanct. Maybe if your baby is wailing all night you should be refunding their vacation costs. Its only fair, right?


Are you so ignorant to suggest that they took the baby intending to ruin someone else's vacation? I have to doubt it, but that seems to be what you're suggesting.  Sometimes babies cry, sometimes they don't.  No parent ever thinks "man, I am so totally going to ruin other people's vacations by having my baby with me".  Don't be stupid.  I'm suggesting that parents need not be prisoners because you can't handle a baby crying once in a while.  Deal with it, you're a fully grown up troll. or something.

BayouOtter: Well, reasonable people would know how to not have babies on accident, you know, basic family planning.


Somehow I have to question if you know what the word accident means.

BayouOtter: I also rightly guessed that you're a self-centered prick that believes the world revolves around yourself and your children.


You'd be wrong, but there's a big gulf between being someone who thinks the world revolves around me and my kids,  and not consigning myself to be a prisoner because your might not have the best vacation ever because my kid cried.

BayouOtter: Yeah, exactly. fark other people and their feelings, its all about your control and following your rules.


You're insane right?  You spend hours threadshiatting about kids not being respectful and upsetting poor, unsuspecting adults on vacation, but then berate someone who's prime objective is to teach their kids how to behave in public when they act up?

BayouOtter: public


Another word who's definition seems to elude you.

BayouOtter: I don't dislike you for being a parent, I dislike you for being a shiatty parent who teaches his kids to be inconsiderate of others.


Except you don't know anything about me, and you just berated me for doing the exact opposite.  but hey, was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

BayouOtter: Some people think of empathy as a horrible torture, as consider for others a prison. We call them sociopaths. That would be you, buddy. Give your kids up for adoption and sterilize yourself - break the cycle.


Yeah, I'm the sociopath.  good luck with your crazy.  I'm done with you.
 
2014-03-05 03:49:57 PM

blindio: BayouOtter: Let me just take a shiat on your shiat on your wife - just hose her off if it bothers you so badly.

Yeah, that's the same.  Exactly the same.  This might be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on fark.  That's magnificient.  You shall be remembered for it. (farked: wants to shiat on my wife because I have children. weirdo.)


I had to block this guy.  I've been on Fark basically since the beginning (lurked a while, then created an account in '02 or something) and I've never seen anything like him.  Unmedicated psychotic.
 
2014-03-05 04:04:10 PM
What?  Parents suck?  Who could have possibly guessed?

//csb: When the movie Kick-Ass came out, I went to a midnight showing.  a few spots ahead of me in line was a family of four, with the son, maybe 8 or so (about the age of Anakin Skywalker in Episode 1) dressed in a superhero costume of some sort that wasn't from the movie or comic, and a daughter still young enough to be carried in by her mom.  If you haven't seen the movie, spoiler alert:  In the very opening scene, some retard puts on a winged superhero costume, and jumps off a building, only to land on the ground, nice and violent and bloody.   After this family did no research, did not listen to the warnings others gave them, and ignored the R rating.  The male child starts screaming and crying.

Thank goodness midnight premiers here include a pair of ushers, who escorted the family out.  not gently either.  After the movie, we leave, and she is still standing there berating the manager and trying to get the $72 she spent on the movie back.  Funniest shiat ever.  I hope her crotchfruit was permanently warped by seeing that.
 
2014-03-05 04:10:54 PM
I can't help but suspect some of you in this thread would absolutely do THIS and not see any reason why it was wrong to do.

Just because you don't have any "obligation" to be considerate towards those around you doesn't exactly mean you aren't an inconsiderate shameless asshole.

No there is NEVER an "obligation" to be a decent human being.  It is something you choose to be, or you choose otherwise (and still pull the "I'm the REAL victim" card when people correctly call you out).

Well the world will never have a shortage of selfish assholes, so the rest of us might as well get used to it.
 
2014-03-05 04:13:09 PM

IronJelly: What?  Parents suck?  Who could have possibly guessed?

//csb: When the movie Kick-Ass came out, I went to a midnight showing.  a few spots ahead of me in line was a family of four, with the son, maybe 8 or so (about the age of Anakin Skywalker in Episode 1) dressed in a superhero costume of some sort that wasn't from the movie or comic, and a daughter still young enough to be carried in by her mom.  If you haven't seen the movie, spoiler alert:  In the very opening scene, some retard puts on a winged superhero costume, and jumps off a building, only to land on the ground, nice and violent and bloody.   After this family did no research, did not listen to the warnings others gave them, and ignored the R rating.  The male child starts screaming and crying.

Thank goodness midnight premiers here include a pair of ushers, who escorted the family out.  not gently either.  After the movie, we leave, and she is still standing there berating the manager and trying to get the $72 she spent on the movie back.  Funniest shiat ever.  I hope her crotchfruit was permanently warped by seeing that.


Your story had me until that line. Movie theaters routinely give refunds to people who leave a movie early, unless it's in the last few minutes of the film. It's actually a common occurrence with horror or excessively violent movies.
 
2014-03-05 04:13:18 PM

blindio: BayouOtter: Well the difference is that you as the parent knew that there was going to be a little shiat'n'scream machine there, so its your responsibility to not bring it.

No, it isn't.  It's my responsibility to feed them, put clothes on them, vaccinate them, and get them education as mandated by law. It is my personally accepted additional obligation to teach them to be happy, healthy, well adjusted children.  I have no obligation to bend to your desire that you not ever have children around you.


Well if you've got no obligation to uphold your end of the social contract, don't be surprised when somebody steals your 'possessions' and hurts your family. Nobody has to bend to your desire for security. Can you even read what you write?

"I have no responsibility to be considerate of others, or to teach my children to consider the feelings and experiences of others."

BayouOtter: Its obvious you're a dumbass, though, because you're screwing with no protection and are incapable of family planning.

Believe it or not, some people have babies on purpose.  Or are you still advocating abortion as a vacation planning methodology instead of people having to *gasp* hear a baby cry once in a while?


You're the one who posited a scenario where people have a surprise pregnancy after planning their vacation. At one point or another those parents made a deliberate choice to take their newborn with them.

BayouOtter: Let me just take a shiat on your shiat on your wife - just hose her off if it bothers you so badly.

Yeah, that's the same.  Exactly the same.  This might be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on fark.  That's magnificient.  You shall be remembered for it. (farked: wants to shiat on my wife because I have children. weirdo.)


Oh, does your philosophy of 'other people's feelings don't matter' fall apart when its pointed back at you? Hrm, its almost like you're being a hypocritical and selfish asshole.

Are you so ignorant to suggest that they took the baby intending to ruin someone else's vacation? I have to doubt it, but that seems to be what you're suggesting.  Sometimes babies cry, sometimes they don't.  No parent ever thinks "man, I am so totally going to ruin other people's vacations by having my baby with me".  Don't be stupid.  I'm suggesting that parents need not be prisoners because you can't handle a baby crying once in a while.  Deal with it, you're a fully grown up troll. or something.

Right, because getting a babysitter, leaving a child with family, or postponing a vacation is literally prison. Do you have some kind of problem with accepting responsibility for making a baby? It takes a lot of time and work to raise a child, and requires sacrifice on the part of the parents - either you knew that and had a baby anyway or you didn't know that and you're just stupid. Third option, you're a selfish asshole using the baby as a the ultimate narcissistic tool.

I'm leaning toward accepting Option 3 as the cause for your behavior and attitude.

Somehow I have to question if you know what the word accident means.

Its a good thing abortions and adoptions aren't illegal. Again, deliberate choices.

  You'd be wrong, but there's a big gulf between being someone who thinks the world revolves around me and my kids,  and not consigning myself to be a prisoner because your might not have the best vacation ever because my kid cried."You want me to parent my kids and think about other people? WHO ARE YOU, STALIN? YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME AND MY BABY"

BayouOtter: Yeah, exactly. fark other people and their feelings, its all about your control and following your rules.

You're insane right?  You spend hours threadshiatting about kids not being respectful and upsetting poor, unsuspecting adults on vacation, but then berate someone who's prime objective is to teach their kids how to behave in public when they act up?


Well my primary complaint is about parents being inconsiderate about others and passing along these anti-social values to their offspring, so you've got that wrong again. As for your objective, its to make your children obey you. Classical authoritarian principles here, where you instill them to follow a central human authority figure - in this case you. You're not teaching them to behave for their sake, or for society's sake, but for your sake so you can get off to the sense of control from having other people orbit your own self importance. (Your kids will grow up to be fascists, or they'll despise you. Or both!)

A good parent would be teaching them to behave in public because, again, society is made of a people that all agreed to get along and not be murdering assholes. Its dependent on everyone being empathetic and considerate enough to put aside their short-term personal gain for collective long-term success. Your kid shouldn't be saying 'please' and 'thank you' because you'll yell at them, they should be 'behaving' because they can empathize and identify with the other person.

You're a shiatty parent.

 
2014-03-05 04:17:43 PM

ReapTheChaos: IronJelly: What?  Parents suck?  Who could have possibly guessed?

//csb: When the movie Kick-Ass came out, I went to a midnight showing.  a few spots ahead of me in line was a family of four, with the son, maybe 8 or so (about the age of Anakin Skywalker in Episode 1) dressed in a superhero costume of some sort that wasn't from the movie or comic, and a daughter still young enough to be carried in by her mom.  If you haven't seen the movie, spoiler alert:  In the very opening scene, some retard puts on a winged superhero costume, and jumps off a building, only to land on the ground, nice and violent and bloody.   After this family did no research, did not listen to the warnings others gave them, and ignored the R rating.  The male child starts screaming and crying.

Thank goodness midnight premiers here include a pair of ushers, who escorted the family out.  not gently either.  After the movie, we leave, and she is still standing there berating the manager and trying to get the $72 she spent on the movie back.  Funniest shiat ever.  I hope her crotchfruit was permanently warped by seeing that.

Your story had me until that line. Movie theaters routinely give refunds to people who leave a movie early, unless it's in the last few minutes of the film. It's actually a common occurrence with horror or excessively violent movies.


No idea if the story is real, but it could be.  He said the ushers removed them aka KICKED THEM OUT and when people get kicked out for behavioral reasons I find it unlikely that they get a refund.  People who WILLINGLY leave early on for reasons like horror/violence are another matter and probably could get a refund.
 
2014-03-05 04:31:42 PM
If any of you people live in or around Boston, can you let me know where you go to eat? It really warmed my heart to hear all of your support for screaming children because you once had them yourself. My baby will be born in two months and although my plan was to not take her out in public, I'd enjoy ruining your meal with a loud baby if possible.
All you other people, don't worry. I will never bring my screaming/crying baby out to where you are eating, it just seems incredible rude to me.
Hit me up Boston people with grown/older kids. See you soon!
 
2014-03-05 04:33:44 PM

bk3k: I can't help but suspect some of you in this thread would absolutely do THIS and not see any reason why it was wrong to do.

Just because you don't have any "obligation" to be considerate towards those around you doesn't exactly mean you aren't an inconsiderate shameless asshole.

No there is NEVER an "obligation" to be a decent human being.  It is something you choose to be, or you choose otherwise (and still pull the "I'm the REAL victim" card when people correctly call you out).

Well the world will never have a shortage of selfish assholes, so the rest of us might as well get used to it.


http://www.fark.com/comments/8166566/89606357#c89606357" data-cke-saved-href="http://www.fark.com/comments/8166566/89606357#c8 9606357">bk3k: I can't help but suspect some of you in this thread would absolutely do THIS and not see any reason why it was wrong to do.

Just because you don't have any "obligation" to be considerate towards those around you doesn't exactly mean you aren't an inconsiderate shameless asshole.

No there is NEVER an "obligation" to be a decent human being.  It is something you choose to be, or you choose otherwise (and still pull the "I'm the REAL victim" card when people correctly call you out).

Well the world will never have a shortage of selfish assholes, so the rest of us might as well get used to it.



Yeah, you non-parents have it rough.  When you get home from work, you've got the difficult decision of what to have for dinner before deciding what TV you're going to watch before deciding what time you go to bed.  Or maybe you just go straight to the bar from work.  Hoo!! I don't know how you cope with all of that stress.

Yes, we parents are a selfish lot.  My son is not even a year old, and I've opened and contributed the maximum to his Coverdell college fund.  I've additionally contributed to a NY 529 college fund.  I'd rather my son have money for college than spend that money on a luxury car, or top-shelf booze, or whatever it is that bro-dudes my age spend their money on.

Do you do any kind of volunteering in your community?  Or do you just say "fark them" to pretty much everyone except yourself.  Because you seem like that type of person.  I'm sure you're not a selfish asshole at all.
 
2014-03-05 04:36:34 PM
TanHamster:
Yeah, you non-parents have it rough.  When you get home from work, you've got the difficult decision of what to have for dinner before deciding what TV you're going to watch before deciding what time you go to bed.  Or maybe you just go straight to the bar from work.  Hoo!! I don't know how you cope with all of that stress.

Yes, we parents are a selfish lot.  My son is not even a year old, and I've opened and contributed the maximum to his Coverdell college fund.  I've additionally contributed to a NY 529 college fund.  I'd rather my son have money for college than spend that money on a luxury car, or top-shelf booze, or whatever it is that bro-dudes my age spend their money on.

Do you do any kind of volunteering in your community?  Or do you just say "fark them" to pretty much everyone except yourself.  Because you seem like that type of person.  I'm sure you're not a selfish asshole at all.


Gosh, it must be tough to shoulder that burden you chose to place on yourself! When you're done with the cross, can I have the wood? I could use it down at the volunteer center.
 
2014-03-05 04:39:03 PM

TanHamster: Two16, did you forget to take your meds?


mothersofbrothers.com
 
2014-03-05 04:43:35 PM

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: If any of you people live in or around Boston, can you let me know where you go to eat? It really warmed my heart to hear all of your support for screaming children because you once had them yourself. My baby will be born in two months and although my plan was to not take her out in public, I'd enjoy ruining your meal with a loud baby if possible.
All you other people, don't worry. I will never bring my screaming/crying baby out to where you are eating, it just seems incredible rude to me.
Hit me up Boston people with grown/older kids. See you soon!



How would you ruin the meal of someone who had a "loud baby" and has been through it and "supports screaming children?"

Unless you have a colicky baby or a baby with an acute medical condition, he should not be "screaming" all the time.  Babies fuss, and they will "scream" if they're in pain, but they generally will cry until a specific need is addressed.  I sincerely hope you don't have a colicky baby.  Mine was for 3 months, and it was very, very difficult.  But as bad as that was, I don't go around biatching about it, the way some people biatch about a 45-minute plane ride they were on 5 years ago where a baby cried during takeoff.
 
2014-03-05 04:48:41 PM

BayouOtter: TanHamster:
Yeah, you non-parents have it rough.  When you get home from work, you've got the difficult decision of what to have for dinner before deciding what TV you're going to watch before deciding what time you go to bed.  Or maybe you just go straight to the bar from work.  Hoo!! I don't know how you cope with all of that stress.

Yes, we parents are a selfish lot.  My son is not even a year old, and I've opened and contributed the maximum to his Coverdell college fund.  I've additionally contributed to a NY 529 college fund.  I'd rather my son have money for college than spend that money on a luxury car, or top-shelf booze, or whatever it is that bro-dudes my age spend their money on.

Do you do any kind of volunteering in your community?  Or do you just say "fark them" to pretty much everyone except yourself.  Because you seem like that type of person.  I'm sure you're not a selfish asshole at all.

Gosh, it must be tough to shoulder that burden you chose to place on yourself! When you're done with the cross, can I have the wood? I could use it down at the volunteer center.



You are the most reprehensible person I have ever come across on Fark.

I hope I'm a better father to my son than your father was to you, because he did a really, really bad job.
 
2014-03-05 04:51:49 PM
TanHamster:
I hope I'm a better father to my son than your father was to you, because he did a really, really bad job.

He died when I was four. I hope you don't pass this sexist attitude on to your children, though.
 
2014-03-05 04:54:33 PM

BayouOtter: TanHamster:
I hope I'm a better father to my son than your father was to you, because he did a really, really bad job.

He died when I was four. I hope you don't pass this sexist attitude on to your children, though.



My mom's dad died when she was 5, but she didn't turn out like you.  That chip on your shoulder was put there by you alone, asshole.
 
2014-03-05 04:57:54 PM

bk3k: ReapTheChaos: IronJelly: What?  Parents suck?  Who could have possibly guessed?

//csb: When the movie Kick-Ass came out, I went to a midnight showing.  a few spots ahead of me in line was a family of four, with the son, maybe 8 or so (about the age of Anakin Skywalker in Episode 1) dressed in a superhero costume of some sort that wasn't from the movie or comic, and a daughter still young enough to be carried in by her mom.  If you haven't seen the movie, spoiler alert:  In the very opening scene, some retard puts on a winged superhero costume, and jumps off a building, only to land on the ground, nice and violent and bloody.   After this family did no research, did not listen to the warnings others gave them, and ignored the R rating.  The male child starts screaming and crying.

Thank goodness midnight premiers here include a pair of ushers, who escorted the family out.  not gently either.  After the movie, we leave, and she is still standing there berating the manager and trying to get the $72 she spent on the movie back.  Funniest shiat ever.  I hope her crotchfruit was permanently warped by seeing that.

Your story had me until that line. Movie theaters routinely give refunds to people who leave a movie early, unless it's in the last few minutes of the film. It's actually a common occurrence with horror or excessively violent movies.

No idea if the story is real, but it could be.  He said the ushers removed them aka KICKED THEM OUT and when people get kicked out for behavioral reasons I find it unlikely that they get a refund.  People who WILLINGLY leave early on for reasons like horror/violence are another matter and probably could get a refund.


No night manager making $10 an hour is going to stand there for an hour and a half arguing with some lady over the price of 4 movie tickets, simpler and less stressful to just give them their money back.
 
2014-03-05 05:12:19 PM

TanHamster: BayouOtter: TanHamster:
I hope I'm a better father to my son than your father was to you, because he did a really, really bad job.

He died when I was four. I hope you don't pass this sexist attitude on to your children, though.

My mom's dad died when she was 5, but she didn't turn out like you.  That chip on your shoulder was put there by you alone, asshole.


Weird, because you just implied that without a father a child would have faulty development. This isn't because you're focused only on yourself and completely discounting the possible contributions of your wife and future mother to your children, is it?

Kind of sad either way.
 
2014-03-05 05:29:30 PM

ReapTheChaos: bk3k: ReapTheChaos: IronJelly: What?  Parents suck?  Who could have possibly guessed?

//csb: When the movie Kick-Ass came out, I went to a midnight showing.  a few spots ahead of me in line was a family of four, with the son, maybe 8 or so (about the age of Anakin Skywalker in Episode 1) dressed in a superhero costume of some sort that wasn't from the movie or comic, and a daughter still young enough to be carried in by her mom.  If you haven't seen the movie, spoiler alert:  In the very opening scene, some retard puts on a winged superhero costume, and jumps off a building, only to land on the ground, nice and violent and bloody.   After this family did no research, did not listen to the warnings others gave them, and ignored the R rating.  The male child starts screaming and crying.

Thank goodness midnight premiers here include a pair of ushers, who escorted the family out.  not gently either.  After the movie, we leave, and she is still standing there berating the manager and trying to get the $72 she spent on the movie back.  Funniest shiat ever.  I hope her crotchfruit was permanently warped by seeing that.

Your story had me until that line. Movie theaters routinely give refunds to people who leave a movie early, unless it's in the last few minutes of the film. It's actually a common occurrence with horror or excessively violent movies.

No idea if the story is real, but it could be.  He said the ushers removed them aka KICKED THEM OUT and when people get kicked out for behavioral reasons I find it unlikely that they get a refund.  People who WILLINGLY leave early on for reasons like horror/violence are another matter and probably could get a refund.

No night manager making $10 an hour is going to stand there for an hour and a half arguing with some lady over the price of 4 movie tickets, simpler and less stressful to just give them their money back.


Hey, I know what I saw.  I wasn't able to hear them, however.  It could have been some different argument.  In retrospect, I don't think the kids and male counterpart were present.  Someone crazy enough to bring the kids to that movie may have been the special kind to come back to demand he stop showing it or some shiat.
 
2014-03-05 07:19:42 PM
If your baby is screaming bloody murder all night long, take it to a farking hospital!  D:
 
2014-03-05 08:25:32 PM

pho75: I took an 11 month old to the Keys once and stayed in a nice, but not super nice, hotel in Miami the night before flying home. As we get off the elevator, some white-pants (after memorial day, no less) wearing bros mention that the "kid better not keep us up tonight." I advised them the kid would be fine. All went well and then, around 2 am, the bros returned from the local southbeach hellhole drunk and roudy. Everyone but my kid woke up.

Bro 1 and Bro 2 then get into an argument about how one was flirting with other boys. Blows are exchanged. Bro 1 retires to his room and sobs gently into his pillow, Bro 2 apparently left. The next morning, I see Bro 1 on the elevator going down and mock him relentlessly on the 26 floor ride down to the elevator.

The moral of my awsome story is this: In my 30 something years on this planet, adults are often the biggest source of annoying, rude behavior. That loud, drunk guy at the fancy restaurant is almost always a bigger distraction than the one or two children present. The annoying screaming woman at the sporting event or concert is exponentially more annoying than the bored toddler. The dude who won't put his phone down at the movie theater is certainly worse than the kid who exclaims "wow" or "bad guy" in a movie. [Don't go to a disney movie and then complain that the children ruined your experience, ass wipe]. While exceptions exist, adults are by far the worst offenders and people who biatch about kids usually need to take a long hard look in the mirror.


BULLSHIAT. Your WHOLE story is BULLSHIAT.
 
2014-03-05 08:47:55 PM

pho75: I took an 11 month old to the Keys once and stayed in a nice, but not super nice, hotel in Miami the night before flying home. As we get off the elevator, some white-pants (after memorial day, no less) wearing bros mention that the "kid better not keep us up tonight." I advised them the kid would be fine. All went well and then, around 2 am, the bros returned from the local southbeach hellhole drunk and roudy. Everyone but my kid woke up.

Bro 1 and Bro 2 then get into an argument about how one was flirting with other boys. Blows are exchanged. Bro 1 retires to his room and sobs gently into his pillow, Bro 2 apparently left. The next morning, I see Bro 1 on the elevator going down and mock him relentlessly on the 26 floor ride down to the elevator.

The moral of my awsome story is this: In my 30 something years on this planet, adults are often the biggest source of annoying, rude behavior. That loud, drunk guy at the fancy restaurant is almost always a bigger distraction than the one or two children present. The annoying screaming woman at the sporting event or concert is exponentially more annoying than the bored toddler. The dude who won't put his phone down at the movie theater is certainly worse than the kid who exclaims "wow" or "bad guy" in a movie. [Don't go to a disney movie and then complain that the children ruined your experience, ass wipe]. While exceptions exist, adults are by far the worst offenders and people who biatch about kids usually need to take a long hard look in the mirror.


True, but if a drunk dude is keeping you up all night screaming in the hotel, you call security and they'll take care of it. You can't do that with a baby, you just have to sit there and listen to it cry all night.

When my kids were little, the expected thing to do when your kid was throwing a tantrum in a store or restaurant was to take them outside till they calmed down. As a parent I felt embarrassed when everyone in the place was looking at me because of my kids behavior. People don't have that type of consideration anymore, their of the opinion that if they have to listen to their kid scream then everyone else should too. That attitude right there is the basis for peoples outrage on this topic.
 
2014-03-05 09:34:58 PM
Lazy parenting is the enemy of peace of mind and peace itself everywhere.
 
2014-03-05 09:41:38 PM
And fark anyone who suggests earplugs. No way should I be even more physically uncomfortable, it's bad enough your baby's screams pierced my eardrum heavy metal style. No, how about you use nose and mouthplugs instead?

Seriously, this fetish of commanding "get earplugs" to people who have had their peace and quiet ruined by selfish morons is like telling raped women to wear chastity belts.

Look at the picture in the article: The kid is like: "Feed me, you idiots! I'm not a vegan on a diet! YOU ARE! And I'm bored. All you guys ever do is cuddle next to me and call me sunshine! WAAAAHHHH"
 
2014-03-05 10:45:09 PM
What adult in their right mind goes to bed sober enough to hear a baby crying?
 
2014-03-05 11:20:03 PM

ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?

The idea that you can't say anything to anybody else's kids and you should take offense if someone notices your child is screaming their head off in public is leading to spoiled, self-centered little assholes who put no value in being considerate to others.


You've just explained the origins of corporate America.
 
2014-03-06 12:46:51 AM

Civchic: It's about teaching them how to act in those places.


It still doesn't matter if what they're being taught is that other people don't matter.
 
2014-03-06 12:51:04 AM

blindio: Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?


More like "goddamn selfish parents, not taking care of their screaming child." Of course, you can't really expect somebody with "blind" in their handle to pick up on such nuance...
 
2014-03-06 12:55:45 AM

blindio: I'm suggesting that parents need not be prisoners because you can't handle a baby crying once in a while.


Asking you to take care of your screaming child is not imprisoning you. It's asking you to do the bare minimum of what you signed on for when you purposely became a parent. Deal with it, and stop being such a drama queen.
 
2014-03-06 05:11:04 AM

TanHamster: BayouOtter: TanHamster:
Yeah, you non-parents have it rough.  When you get home from work, you've got the difficult decision of what to have for dinner before deciding what TV you're going to watch before deciding what time you go to bed.  Or maybe you just go straight to the bar from work.  Hoo!! I don't know how you cope with all of that stress.

Yes, we parents are a selfish lot.  My son is not even a year old, and I've opened and contributed the maximum to his Coverdell college fund.  I've additionally contributed to a NY 529 college fund.  I'd rather my son have money for college than spend that money on a luxury car, or top-shelf booze, or whatever it is that bro-dudes my age spend their money on.

Do you do any kind of volunteering in your community?  Or do you just say "fark them" to pretty much everyone except yourself.  Because you seem like that type of person.  I'm sure you're not a selfish asshole at all.

Gosh, it must be tough to shoulder that burden you chose to place on yourself! When you're done with the cross, can I have the wood? I could use it down at the volunteer center.


You are the most reprehensible person I have ever come across on Fark.

I hope I'm a better father to my son than your father was to you, because he did a really, really bad job.


I've been on Fark a long, long time (11 or 12 years now) and I agree with you. BayouOtter is a total and complete dipshiat. Pray he never procreates.
 
2014-03-06 05:11:42 AM
If you breed, keep your crapping STD to yourself. You chose to make that mistake, not us.
 
2014-03-06 10:17:55 AM

TanHamster: BayouOtter: TanHamster:
I hope I'm a better father to my son than your father was to you, because he did a really, really bad job.

He died when I was four. I hope you don't pass this sexist attitude on to your children, though.


My mom's dad died when she was 5, but she didn't turn out like you.  That chip on your shoulder was put there by you alone, asshole.



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