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(Daily Mail)   New parents take infant to swanky ski resort and are appalled to find anonymous note under their door addressing their screaming baby, selfishness, lack of common sense and neighbors' ruined sleep. Naturally they run to the media   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 221
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2014-03-05 10:47:59 AM

SeaMan Stainz: crotch fruit


I doubt the people who use this term ever realize how unf*ckable it makes them sound.
 
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2014-03-05 10:48:31 AM

JoieD'Zen: hej: Civchic: A lot of this thread is about "parents need a break too" vs. "stay home with your kids until they're functioning adults".

But HOW do small children become functional adults without field practice?

I've got a kid.  I didn't take him to movies, restaurants, book stores, or any other place people had a reasonable expectation for some peace and quiet until he was old enough to listen when I told him to behave (i.e. about 4 years old).  As far as I'm concerned, the "parents need a break too" crowd can F themselves if they think making me listen to their screaming seed is ok.

Being in 'adult' settings should be a privilege that can be revoked if the child is not behaving and they are capable of understanding this about 3 or 4, or at least my kids were.


I can't tell whether or not you're agreeing with me.
 
2014-03-05 10:50:57 AM

blindio: Oh good, another "don't be so selfish and think of other people" thread where people selfishly whine about being inconvenienced by someone else's child.  There wasn't enough hypocrisy in the Politics tab so why not.

Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?


Its the parents, stupid. Babies aren't responsible for terrorizing people because they don't understand what they are doing, but their farking parents know exactly what they are doing when they waltz into a nice restaurant with a screaming baby with shiat dribbling from its pampers.

Here's a thought: for a lot of people the planning window for a big vacation might be 12-18 months in advance, and the gestation period for a human baby is 10 months.  You could plan the vacation in advance and end up with a surprise in the interim.

Crazy thought - CANCEL THE farkING VACATION. You just had a baby - do you want to make a stressful period more stressful by trying to take care of a newborn in the middle of a strange place away from your friends, family, and without knowing where the closest diaper store is? What good is a vacation if you're spending the whole damn thing taking care of your new baby instead of doing the actual vacation things you wanted to do? Cancel it, give it to a friend, work out some kind of return, something. Do not drag your newborn baby to your rock-climbing, white water rafting getaway in Brazil.

Talk about farking stupid - then again you're postulating a situation where these people are too stupid to use condoms, birth control, spermicide, or abortion.
 
2014-03-05 10:51:16 AM

blindio: Oh good, another "don't be so selfish and think of other people" thread where people selfishly whine about being inconvenienced by someone else's child.  There wasn't enough hypocrisy in the Politics tab so why not.

FTFA:  We need more people who think of others and less selfish ones.

Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?

Here's a thought: for a lot of people the planning window for a big vacation might be 12-18 months in advance, and the gestation period for a human baby is 10 months.  You could plan the vacation in advance and end up with a surprise in the interim.  Maybe go on vacation somewhere that you can get a decent hotel room that doesn't have paper thin walls or stay home if you can't afford it, because most likely if it wasn't the baby this idiot was pissed about it would have been the hours of screaming and moaning in the effort to inconvenience the people at next years vacation with a baby crying.


It could be worse.

A note isn't as bad as a hotel sending security to the door with the first of 3 warnings. But then my roommates didn't have a baby. We just had a hyperactive semi-drunk cosplayer lesbian.

1st warning- shut up

2nd warning- our guest gets thrown out preferably via the window.  But security has to be polite so she gets to use the elevator and entrance.

3) we get thrown out without a refund.

Basically some whiny twit forgot the value of knocking on our door or heaven forbid using the phone to dial our room number.
 
2014-03-05 11:10:24 AM

BayouOtter: Crazy thought - CANCEL THE farkING VACATION. You just had a baby - do you want to make a stressful period more stressful by trying to take care of a newborn in the middle of a strange place away from your friends, family, and without knowing where the closest diaper store is? What good is a vacation if you're spending the whole damn thing taking care of your new baby instead of doing the actual vacation things you wanted to do?


You're projecting here.  I travel A LOT with my kids.  It really isn't hard, especially when they're tiny.  All you need is your boobs, some diapers, a baby wrap/carrier, and a safe place to occasionally lay them down (dresser drawer pulled out and on the floor will do.  Or bathtub with blanket nest).  A wrapped/swaddled infant rarely cries (at least not mine), and they can go anywhere you can go.  When they're bigger, they get noisier, but they still can eat local food, behave in public, etc - you just have to plan according to their stamina and leave room for changes of plans.  It's really not stressful, and as stated above, it's just what people outside of North America do.  Also - my children know that any adult around them is the boss in my stead - so if my kid acts up and I miss it, I fully expect and condone another adult to tell them to can it.

I do also travel without them, while they stay at Grandmas.  It's healthy for our marriage to have alone time, but it's not less stressful.  I just get to sleep later and stay out later.
 
2014-03-05 11:13:41 AM

cwolf20: blindio: Oh good, another "don't be so selfish and think of other people" thread where people selfishly whine about being inconvenienced by someone else's child.  There wasn't enough hypocrisy in the Politics tab so why not.

FTFA:  We need more people who think of others and less selfish ones.

Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?

Here's a thought: for a lot of people the planning window for a big vacation might be 12-18 months in advance, and the gestation period for a human baby is 10 months.  You could plan the vacation in advance and end up with a surprise in the interim.  Maybe go on vacation somewhere that you can get a decent hotel room that doesn't have paper thin walls or stay home if you can't afford it, because most likely if it wasn't the baby this idiot was pissed about it would have been the hours of screaming and moaning in the effort to inconvenience the people at next years vacation with a baby crying.

It could be worse.

A note isn't as bad as a hotel sending security to the door with the first of 3 warnings. But then my roommates didn't have a baby. We just had a hyperactive semi-drunk cosplayer lesbian.

1st warning- shut up

2nd warning- our guest gets thrown out preferably via the window.  But security has to be polite so she gets to use the elevator and entrance.

3) we get thrown out without a refund.

Basically some whiny twit forgot the value of knocking on our door or heaven forbid using the phone to dial our room number.


Why should they? First off, common courtesy should be enough to keep you from making a bunch of noise in a hotel room in the first place. This is a classic example of you trying to put the responsibility for your actions on others. Second, if I hear a group of drunks making a lot of noise, I'm not going to stick my nose into it, you never know how people are going to react in this day and age. Thy're just as likely to punch you in the face or tell you to go fark yourself as anything else. Calling hotel security is the right call in that situation.

If I'm understanding your post correctly, you got thrown out after a third warning, so if two previous warnings weren't enough to get you to quiet down, how would a knock on the door or phone call have changed things?
 
2014-03-05 11:23:47 AM

ReapTheChaos: cwolf20: blindio: Oh good, another "don't be so selfish and think of other people" thread where people selfishly whine about being inconvenienced by someone else's child.  There wasn't enough hypocrisy in the Politics tab so why not.

FTFA:  We need more people who think of others and less selfish ones.

Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?

Here's a thought: for a lot of people the planning window for a big vacation might be 12-18 months in advance, and the gestation period for a human baby is 10 months.  You could plan the vacation in advance and end up with a surprise in the interim.  Maybe go on vacation somewhere that you can get a decent hotel room that doesn't have paper thin walls or stay home if you can't afford it, because most likely if it wasn't the baby this idiot was pissed about it would have been the hours of screaming and moaning in the effort to inconvenience the people at next years vacation with a baby crying.

It could be worse.

A note isn't as bad as a hotel sending security to the door with the first of 3 warnings. But then my roommates didn't have a baby. We just had a hyperactive semi-drunk cosplayer lesbian.

1st warning- shut up

2nd warning- our guest gets thrown out preferably via the window.  But security has to be polite so she gets to use the elevator and entrance.

3) we get thrown out without a refund.

Basically some whiny twit forgot the value of knocking on our door or heaven forbid using the phone to dial our room number.

Why should they? First off, common courtesy should be enough to keep you from making a bunch of noise in a hotel room in the first place. This is a classic example of you trying to put the responsibility for your actions on others. Second, if I hear a group of drunks making a lot of noise, I'm not going to stick my nose into it, you never know how people are going to react in this day and age. Thy're just as likely to punch you in the face or ...


Nope. stopped at first warning.  Because I'm the type of person who would take a phone call at the point it's intended and shut the hell up.  We all 3 walked her back the 3 blocks to her hotel at 4am.  Her outfit might have caused an assault in that area.  Came back to the room.  Packed our things.  Slept.  Left the next day which was check out. And everyone was happy.
 
2014-03-05 11:27:07 AM
Mid_mo_mad_man:  If you knew people would be grinding thier teeth you knew you were in the wrong.


No.  If you're grinding your teeth, you're in the wrong.  Babies cry because they need something (need to eat, need to sleep, need to be changed.)  Those needs can all be met, and babies will still cry.  What I'm saying is that the "ugh, babies" mentality isn't helpful at all to the human species.  The purpose of life is to reproduce, and that involves raising babies.  The childfree-by-choice people sitting on the sidelines, making snarky comments to the weary parents of babies, are useless from evolutionary and social standpoints.  They're not helping to ensure the survival of the species.  ("Yeah, but we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet !!1one!!"  Childfree-by-choice people love to hide behind that excuse.)


The reason we are on this planet right now is because of the thousands of generations of ancestral hominidae that reproduced.  I don't know if childfree-by-choice people understand the enormity of their decision to terminate hundreds of thousands of years of evolution because they can't deal with a [crying/soiled] baby.  "Keep that baby away from my leather seats, yo!"  Grow up.
 
2014-03-05 11:27:20 AM
When I go out, I expect that there are others with factors to consider that I do not, and they may be inconvenient for me.  Sometimes when I go out I might end up next to someone with Alzheimers who says weird crap next to me.  Or I might end up next to a woman in a crowded theater who is on oxygen that makes that annoying his every 10 seconds (American Hustle, grr).  Yes it's aggravating, just like it's aggravating to go on vacation and have someone making noise in the next room while I'm trying to sleep: such as a crying baby, or drunks.  In any case, you could complain about any of these things, but if your expectation is that everywhere you go, everyone else should be required to have a completely unfettered, carefree lifestyle so that you don't have to notice them then you're the asshole.  If you're that intolerant of any human that isn't just like you, then it's your burden to make sure you go somewhere that doesn't accommodate children, or where they won't be present.  If they bother you that much, you could go through the trouble of making sure your room is isolated from them.  Everyone else isn't going to just live in their basements for fear of offending your delicate ear drums.  85% of people end up having children.  That means businesses ARE going to accommodate people with children.  They are not going to ban families because you want to live in some childless dystopic bizaro world.  If your expectation is that this is ever going to change, prepare to be disappointed.
 
2014-03-05 11:34:05 AM

ReapTheChaos: cwolf20: blindio: Oh good, another "don't be so selfish and think of other people" thread where people selfishly whine about being inconvenienced by someone else's child.  There wasn't enough hypocrisy in the Politics tab so why not.

FTFA:  We need more people who think of others and less selfish ones.

Right, that goddamn selfish baby, crying, and it doesn't care who it wakes up.  Stupid babies, amirite?

Here's a thought: for a lot of people the planning window for a big vacation might be 12-18 months in advance, and the gestation period for a human baby is 10 months.  You could plan the vacation in advance and end up with a surprise in the interim.  Maybe go on vacation somewhere that you can get a decent hotel room that doesn't have paper thin walls or stay home if you can't afford it, because most likely if it wasn't the baby this idiot was pissed about it would have been the hours of screaming and moaning in the effort to inconvenience the people at next years vacation with a baby crying.

It could be worse.

A note isn't as bad as a hotel sending security to the door with the first of 3 warnings. But then my roommates didn't have a baby. We just had a hyperactive semi-drunk cosplayer lesbian.

1st warning- shut up

2nd warning- our guest gets thrown out preferably via the window.  But security has to be polite so she gets to use the elevator and entrance.

3) we get thrown out without a refund.

Basically some whiny twit forgot the value of knocking on our door or heaven forbid using the phone to dial our room number.

Why should they? First off, common courtesy should be enough to keep you from making a bunch of noise in a hotel room in the first place. This is a classic example of you trying to put the responsibility for your actions on others. Second, if I hear a group of drunks making a lot of noise, I'm not going to stick my nose into it, you never know how people are going to react in this day and age. Thy're just as likely to punch you in the face or ...


My listing of the warnings were purely what the security guard read off to my DragonCon roommate who chooses as a fit toned man to go topless the entire weekend for his own enjoyment and enjoyment of the various females.  He shocked the guard into a few seconds of silence when he answered the door.

The following year was interesting though. She was our roommate that time.  And a security guard used polite words to explain to us as we were walking her out to DragonCon, that the hotel frowns upon whores. And we need to cover her up and take her back to her pimp as soon as possible.

Actual wording "This is a high class hotel and she is wearing an outfit that could.. cause certain gentlemen to make unseemly advances.  Please get her out quickly and take her back where she belongs"

DragonCon is such a high class shindig, that anything less than victorian costume must be unseemly.

I love Ritz-Carlton downtown Atlanta where the parking has a 30 percent chance of your window being smashed in on your car and various things being stolen. Don't you?
 
2014-03-05 11:35:07 AM

spiderpaz: When I go out, I expect that there are others with factors to consider that I do not, and they may be inconvenient for me.  Sometimes when I go out I might end up next to someone with Alzheimers who says weird crap next to me.  Or I might end up next to a woman in a crowded theater who is on oxygen that makes that annoying his every 10 seconds (American Hustle, grr).  Yes it's aggravating, just like it's aggravating to go on vacation and have someone making noise in the next room while I'm trying to sleep: such as a crying baby, or drunks.  In any case, you could complain about any of these things, but if your expectation is that everywhere you go, everyone else should be required to have a completely unfettered, carefree lifestyle so that you don't have to notice them then you're the asshole.  If you're that intolerant of any human that isn't just like you, then it's your burden to make sure you go somewhere that doesn't accommodate children, or where they won't be present.  If they bother you that much, you could go through the trouble of making sure your room is isolated from them.  Everyone else isn't going to just live in their basements for fear of offending your delicate ear drums.  85% of people end up having children.  That means businesses ARE going to accommodate people with children.  They are not going to ban families because you want to live in some childless dystopic bizaro world.  If your expectation is that this is ever going to change, prepare to be disappointed.



Why would you post a rational, logical, copacetic and cromulent comment like this on Fark?
 
2014-03-05 11:37:46 AM

cwolf20: Nope. stopped at first warning.  Because I'm the type of person who would take a phone call at the point it's intended and shut the hell up.  We all 3 walked her back the 3 blocks to her hotel at 4am.  Her outfit might have caused an assault in that area. Came back to the room.  Packed our things.  Slept.  Left the next day which was check out. And everyone was happy.



That one's going to get you a lot of heat for perpetuating the rape culture around here.
 
2014-03-05 11:37:48 AM

TanHamster: Mid_mo_mad_man:  If you knew people would be grinding thier teeth you knew you were in the wrong.


No.  If you're grinding your teeth, you're in the wrong.  Babies cry because they need something (need to eat, need to sleep, need to be changed.)  Those needs can all be met, and babies will still cry.  What I'm saying is that the "ugh, babies" mentality isn't helpful at all to the human species.  The purpose of life is to reproduce, and that involves raising babies.  The childfree-by-choice people sitting on the sidelines, making snarky comments to the weary parents of babies, are useless from evolutionary and social standpoints.  They're not helping to ensure the survival of the species.  ("Yeah, but we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet !!1one!!"  Childfree-by-choice people love to hide behind that excuse.)


The reason we are on this planet right now is because of the thousands of generations of ancestral hominidae that reproduced.  I don't know if childfree-by-choice people understand the enormity of their decision to terminate hundreds of thousands of years of evolution because they can't deal with a [crying/soiled] baby.  "Keep that baby away from my leather seats, yo!"  Grow up.




Wtf dude. Passing on your gentic heritage doesn't excuse rude behavior. I don't pay for a first class ticket just to hear babies.
 
2014-03-05 11:41:02 AM

spiderpaz: cwolf20: Nope. stopped at first warning.  Because I'm the type of person who would take a phone call at the point it's intended and shut the hell up.  We all 3 walked her back the 3 blocks to her hotel at 4am.  Her outfit might have caused an assault in that area. Came back to the room.  Packed our things.  Slept.  Left the next day which was check out. And everyone was happy.


That one's going to get you a lot of heat for perpetuating the rape culture around here.


You should have seen the outfit.  She refused to walk back due to her own fears of what would happen. And hell if we were going to let her walk alone.
 
2014-03-05 11:41:54 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: TanHamster: Mid_mo_mad_man:  If you knew people would be grinding thier teeth you knew you were in the wrong.


No.  If you're grinding your teeth, you're in the wrong.  Babies cry because they need something (need to eat, need to sleep, need to be changed.)  Those needs can all be met, and babies will still cry.  What I'm saying is that the "ugh, babies" mentality isn't helpful at all to the human species.  The purpose of life is to reproduce, and that involves raising babies.  The childfree-by-choice people sitting on the sidelines, making snarky comments to the weary parents of babies, are useless from evolutionary and social standpoints.  They're not helping to ensure the survival of the species.  ("Yeah, but we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet !!1one!!"  Childfree-by-choice people love to hide behind that excuse.)


The reason we are on this planet right now is because of the thousands of generations of ancestral hominidae that reproduced.  I don't know if childfree-by-choice people understand the enormity of their decision to terminate hundreds of thousands of years of evolution because they can't deal with a [crying/soiled] baby.  "Keep that baby away from my leather seats, yo!"  Grow up.

Wtf dude. Passing on your gentic heritage doesn't excuse rude behavior. I don't pay for a first class ticket just to hear babies.


I'm sure you didn't think you did when bought it, but since the airline you chose also sells first class tickets to parents taking babies on the plane, it turns out that if one of them purchased a ticket, you actually did.  If this is a problem, the only realistic way for you to address it is to take it up with the airlines until you find one that is willing to initiate such a policy.
 
2014-03-05 11:44:54 AM

TenJed_77: DittoToo: ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.

That's because american children don't behave. 18 years in France, I've seen hundreds of children in restaurants and not one tantrum.


CETTE.
 
2014-03-05 11:47:21 AM

spiderpaz: Mid_mo_mad_man: TanHamster: Mid_mo_mad_man:  If you knew people would be grinding thier teeth you knew you were in the wrong.


No.  If you're grinding your teeth, you're in the wrong.  Babies cry because they need something (need to eat, need to sleep, need to be changed.)  Those needs can all be met, and babies will still cry.  What I'm saying is that the "ugh, babies" mentality isn't helpful at all to the human species.  The purpose of life is to reproduce, and that involves raising babies.  The childfree-by-choice people sitting on the sidelines, making snarky comments to the weary parents of babies, are useless from evolutionary and social standpoints.  They're not helping to ensure the survival of the species.  ("Yeah, but we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet !!1one!!"  Childfree-by-choice people love to hide behind that excuse.)


The reason we are on this planet right now is because of the thousands of generations of ancestral hominidae that reproduced.  I don't know if childfree-by-choice people understand the enormity of their decision to terminate hundreds of thousands of years of evolution because they can't deal with a [crying/soiled] baby.  "Keep that baby away from my leather seats, yo!"  Grow up.

Wtf dude. Passing on your gentic heritage doesn't excuse rude behavior. I don't pay for a first class ticket just to hear babies.

I'm sure you didn't think you did when bought it, but since the airline you chose also sells first class tickets to parents taking babies on the plane, it turns out that if one of them purchased a ticket, you actually did.  If this is a problem, the only realistic way for you to address it is to take it up with the airlines until you find one that is willing to initiate such a policy.




I would be willing to pay extra for a child free flight. I bet I couldn't be only one who would.
 
2014-03-05 11:52:35 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: I don't pay for a first class ticket just to hear babies.

I'm sure you didn't think you did when bought it, but since the airline you chose also sells first class tickets to parents taking babies on the plane, it turns out that if one of them purchased a ticket, you actually did.  If this is a problem, the only realistic way for you to address it is to take it up with the airlines until you find one that is willing to initiate such a policy.

I would be willing to pay extra for a child free flight. I bet I couldn't be only one who would.



Well I've just given you a road map to victory: get on it.  If there's so many people that would be willing to pay more for a guaranteed child free flight, then it would be a money maker for the airlines, and if you watched freakonomics that means they're guaranteed to do it.  You may have just ended the recession!
 
2014-03-05 11:59:49 AM

cwolf20: spiderpaz: cwolf20: Nope. stopped at first warning.  Because I'm the type of person who would take a phone call at the point it's intended and shut the hell up.  We all 3 walked her back the 3 blocks to her hotel at 4am.  Her outfit might have caused an assault in that area. Came back to the room.  Packed our things.  Slept.  Left the next day which was check out. And everyone was happy.


That one's going to get you a lot of heat for perpetuating the rape culture around here.

You should have seen the outfit.  She refused to walk back due to her own fears of what would happen. And hell if we were going to let her walk alone.




Without seeing a pic I can't tell if she was in danger.
 
2014-03-05 12:03:30 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: cwolf20: spiderpaz: cwolf20: Nope. stopped at first warning.  Because I'm the type of person who would take a phone call at the point it's intended and shut the hell up.  We all 3 walked her back the 3 blocks to her hotel at 4am.  Her outfit might have caused an assault in that area. Came back to the room.  Packed our things.  Slept.  Left the next day which was check out. And everyone was happy.


That one's going to get you a lot of heat for perpetuating the rape culture around here.

You should have seen the outfit.  She refused to walk back due to her own fears of what would happen. And hell if we were going to let her walk alone.

Without seeing a pic I can't tell if she was in danger.


Considering the alcohol in her system, I doubt she could see it if she stood in front of her mirror. Her fears were more 3 or more years related than having anything to do with the outfit.
 
2014-03-05 12:03:31 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: TanHamster: Mid_mo_mad_man:  If you knew people would be grinding thier teeth you knew you were in the wrong.


No.  If you're grinding your teeth, you're in the wrong.  Babies cry because they need something (need to eat, need to sleep, need to be changed.)  Those needs can all be met, and babies will still cry.  What I'm saying is that the "ugh, babies" mentality isn't helpful at all to the human species.  The purpose of life is to reproduce, and that involves raising babies.  The childfree-by-choice people sitting on the sidelines, making snarky comments to the weary parents of babies, are useless from evolutionary and social standpoints.  They're not helping to ensure the survival of the species.  ("Yeah, but we've exceeded the carrying capacity of the planet !!1one!!"  Childfree-by-choice people love to hide behind that excuse.)


The reason we are on this planet right now is because of the thousands of generations of ancestral hominidae that reproduced.  I don't know if childfree-by-choice people understand the enormity of their decision to terminate hundreds of thousands of years of evolution because they can't deal with a [crying/soiled] baby.  "Keep that baby away from my leather seats, yo!"  Grow up.

Wtf dude. Passing on your gentic heritage doesn't excuse rude behavior. I don't pay for a first class ticket just to hear babies.



Yeah, man.  Babies are loud.  Unlike the sound pressure level of two 50,000-lb-thrust turbofans through 6 inches of fuselage.
 
2014-03-05 12:07:19 PM

Brainsick: elguerodiablo: MustardTiger: I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.

Have you ever seen a jelly fish eating a baby?  Me either.  But I bet that's pretty awesome.

You'd have better luck with a squid, jellyfish don't really have the means to masticate (which I assume is the part you want to see)


Yeah.  Jellyfish are carnivorous, but they're more like small, mobile sarlaacs.  If you were a really tiny Boba Fett they'd give you nightmares.

css: One time as a child I found a deflated balloon on the beach.  It wasn't a balloon.  I don't like balloons anymore.

Technically, squids can't masticate, either, since they don't have teeth, but they can certainly snip you into bite-side pieces with their beaks, which I guess is close enough.  A Humboldt squid would do the job nicely.  They've been known to drag people out of boats and partially eat them.  It may be that they aren't aggressive unless aggravated by flashing lights, so be sure to hand the kid a glowstick or something first.
 
2014-03-05 12:21:37 PM

DittoToo: If you see child seats, and the hostess handing out crayons, then maybe you should think a little harder about where you are taking your date.


I understand that in a shared space I have to accept a little bit of compromise, and try not to be a complainer.

You're kicking solid wisdom here though.
 
2014-03-05 12:25:59 PM

Persnickety: piltdown: Oh good, a "hate the breeders" thread.  These are always funny.

Kids and parents are the only group that it is still politically correct to be a full-on bigot about.  The rage is so bottled up that when folks finally get a chance to let it out, it's like a tsunami through the flood gates.


It's still pretty safe to hate fat people.

I came up with a theory about politeness when I lived in Korea.  It goes like this: people only have so much politeness in them they can dish out over the course of a day.  What varies from culture to culture isn't so much HOW polite people are, but HOW THEY DISTRIBUTE their "quota" of politeness,  So you can be a little bit polite to everybody you meet, or you can be very polite to a few people and rude to everyone else, but the total amount stays pretty much the same.

Maybe bigotry works the same way.  Perhaps it's like squeezing a hose.  It's the same amount of water either way.
 
2014-03-05 12:29:07 PM

BayouOtter: Crazy thought - CANCEL THE farkING VACATION.


Crazy thought:  If someone else is upsetting you during your vacation, cancel your vacation, and stay at home and don't go out in public where you have to deal with other people.

Personally, I wouldn't expect someone ti give up their non-refundable deposit because someone they'll never meet might be mildly inconvenienced.  Buck up and buy some earplugs if it bugs you so bad.

I'm just saying it's possible.  My point is that they were not necessarily planning a vacation with a child in mind, and they don't mind taking turns to go do the vacation stuff that the baby can't participate in.  Maybe they don't even ski, maybe they just like the view.  If you don't like it, it's not their problem.  If you want to refund their vacation costs, they might take you up on it, but you're not the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable for them to do.

BayouOtter: Talk about farking stupid - then again you're postulating a situation where these people are too stupid to use condoms, birth control, spermicide, or abortion.


BayouOtter: but their farking parents know exactly what they are doing when they waltz into a nice restaurant with a screaming baby with shiat dribbling from its pampers.


So.. you can generate pure hyperbole to support your argument, but if I propose a possibility I'm stupid.  Got it.  Then again, even though I'm pro-choice, I'm not sure I think abortion is a reasonable solution to finding out you're pregnant before you go on vacation.

I don't quite get how you think that adults are the only people allowed to be in public, or using public accommodations.  I'm sure you've guessed by now that I have children.  They're generally well behaved, and if they act up in a restaurant or some place like that I'll remove them, but it's not to accommodate other people, it's to teach them about how to behave in a public setting.  That said, the only feeling I have toward other parents who are dealing with crying babies or misbehaving children is sympathy and in some cases kinship.  I get that you and people like you think parenting should be a prison sentence, and I'm sorry it bothers you that the world doesn't work that way.  Good luck with that.
 
2014-03-05 12:36:32 PM

hej: JoieD'Zen: hej: Civchic: A lot of this thread is about "parents need a break too" vs. "stay home with your kids until they're functioning adults".

But HOW do small children become functional adults without field practice?

I've got a kid.  I didn't take him to movies, restaurants, book stores, or any other place people had a reasonable expectation for some peace and quiet until he was old enough to listen when I told him to behave (i.e. about 4 years old).  As far as I'm concerned, the "parents need a break too" crowd can F themselves if they think making me listen to their screaming seed is ok.

Being in 'adult' settings should be a privilege that can be revoked if the child is not behaving and they are capable of understanding this about 3 or 4, or at least my kids were.

I can't tell whether or not you're agreeing with me.


Yes.
 
2014-03-05 12:56:57 PM

DittoToo: I took my daughter to see the Lego movie tonight.  She's whatever years old.  It doesn't mater because it was the theater's designated kids showing for the day.  Early screening and on a Tuesday.  We were the only ones with a kid.  Kid was going "Oh no!!!" and "Yeh!" and "Wowwaahh!" and I could hear the adults around us hissing between their teeth every time.  Not all, mind you, but enough.  I wish one of them would have had the audacity to say something but it never happened.  I would have enjoyed explaining the concept of kids night to them.

I feel the same way about Olive Garden, TGI Fridays, Outback, or even any local family dining joint.  If you see child seats, and the hostess handing out crayons, then maybe you should think a little harder about where you are taking your date.


But that's the Lego movie. Imagine if it had been some kind of more adult move like The Hobit.
 
2014-03-05 01:04:26 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters. There are stories like this where parents are taking their babies to places inappropriate for them.

Being a parent means making some sacrifices. But somehow, somewhere along the line that concept was thrown out and parents just became selfish, self-centered brats for whom the baby is just an accessory to be gawked at by strangers.


Went to the movies one night for a 10pm showing of something... forget what, I suspect Avengers maybe? Anyhow, some couple felt they should bring their 1-2 year old with them to this...

They got into a yelling match with some older guy who asked them to quiet the child or take it outside, even cursing the old man to "shut the fark up and mind your business"...

Shortly after that they left, very shortly after that the manager and a cop came in there looking around for them...
 
2014-03-05 01:04:40 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Krieghund: AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening.

I got a kick out of all the people on this thread biatching about infants being at restaurants after 9 PM, because it's 2 AM where I am and the only reason I'm up is because my infant is eating.

9 PM seems like a pretty reasonable time to take an infant out to eat. The dinner rush is over and most places are pretty empty.
Now, I'm not going to let the kid scream (I'd take her outside first) but it's nice to eat at off-peak hours.

Eat at home.

 
2014-03-05 01:10:08 PM

pho75: I took an 11 month old to the Keys once and stayed in a nice, but not super nice, hotel in Miami the night before flying home. As we get off the elevator, some white-pants (after memorial day, no less) wearing bros mention that the "kid better not keep us up tonight." I advised them the kid would be fine. All went well and then, around 2 am, the bros returned from the local southbeach hellhole drunk and roudy. Everyone but my kid woke up.

Bro 1 and Bro 2 then get into an argument about how one was flirting with other boys. Blows are exchanged. Bro 1 retires to his room and sobs gently into his pillow, Bro 2 apparently left. The next morning, I see Bro 1 on the elevator going down and mock him relentlessly on the 26 floor ride down to the elevator.

The moral of my awsome story is this: In my 30 something years on this planet, adults are often the biggest source of annoying, rude behavior. That loud, drunk guy at the fancy restaurant is almost always a bigger distraction than the one or two children present. The annoying screaming woman at the sporting event or concert is exponentially more annoying than the bored toddler. The dude who won't put his phone down at the movie theater is certainly worse than the kid who exclaims "wow" or "bad guy" in a movie. [Don't go to a disney movie and then complain that the children ruined your experience, ass wipe]. While exceptions exist, adults are by far the worst offenders and people who biatch about kids usually need to take a long hard look in the mirror.

 
2014-03-05 01:15:58 PM

TanHamster: GCD: Just got back from a week in Florida with our 9-month old son. We expected the worst, but aside from a few minor outbursts (which 9-month old kids tend to have), the kid was a champ for the entire trip.

First flight? I figured I'd be buying those little bottles of airplane booze for us and everyone else. I even had budgeted for it. But nope, the kid proved me entirely wrong. No problems at all. Maybe a little more fuss than usual on take off and landing, but not unbearable by any means (and compared to some of the older kids on the plane he was a saint).

Flight home? He was a little more fussy, but we had the red-eye, so his routine was off...and again, compared to the several other hellions that were around us, this kid was golden. He slept for 90% of the trip...while the 2-year old behind us was a pure holy terror (to the point where the flight attendant had to step in).

I will readily admit that he was a little fussy at times, but again...he's 9-months old (and we suspect he's teething), plus he's off his regular routine. When we went out to breakfast and he was awesome....dinners were a little more fussy though because they were a little later than his usual bedtime, but he was still good...and it wasn't like we sat there and stuffed our faces while he screamed bloody murder...our meals would be cold by the time we got to eat them.

Believe me...when it's "your kid" doing the screaming...it sucks.


Just flew out to AZ (from upstate NY) with our 11 month-old, and it was definitely stressful whenever he cried.  The reason it was stressful:  because I assume that everyone else on that airplane is a young, male, childfree Farker, pretty much the most hostile, least-sympathetic demographic one could possibly imagine.  I was stressed because I could just imagine everyone furiously typing anti-baby rants on their adorable little iDevices.

It was interesting, because normally I'm 100% focused on the baby if he's crying, trying to address his anguish.  But not ...



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2014-03-05 01:25:26 PM
Well, I'm glad she cared to share how much her baby ruined other peoples weekend... although I doubt she, and a few parents here learned anything from it.
People go out to have a enjoyable time. Listening to your brat scream and run about the place is not part of a good time.

I know it's a ski lodge and a baby, but I like to break this out when possible....

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2014-03-05 01:28:03 PM
blindio: BayouOtter: Crazy thought - CANCEL THE farkING VACATION.

Crazy thought:  If someone else is upsetting you during your vacation, cancel your vacation, and stay at home and don't go out in public where you have to deal with other people.

Personally, I wouldn't expect someone ti give up their non-refundable deposit because someone they'll never meet might be mildly inconvenienced.  Buck up and buy some earplugs if it bugs you so bad.

I'm just saying it's possible.  My point is that they were not necessarily planning a vacation with a child in mind, and they don't mind taking turns to go do the vacation stuff that the baby can't participate in.  Maybe they don't even ski, maybe they just like the view.  If you don't like it, it's not their problem.  If you want to refund their vacation costs, they might take you up on it, but you're not the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable for them to do.

BayouOtter: Talk about farking stupid - then again you're postulating a situation where these people are too stupid to use condoms, birth control, spermicide, or abortion.


BayouOtter: but their farking parents know exactly what they are doing when they waltz into a nice restaurant with a screaming baby with shiat dribbling from its pampers.

So.. you can generate pure hyperbole to support your argument, but if I propose a possibility I'm stupid.  Got it.  Then again, even though I'm pro-choice, I'm not sure I think abortion is a reasonable solution to finding out you're pregnant before you go on vacation.


I don't quite get how you think that adults are the only people allowed to be in public, or using public accommodations.  I'm sure you've guessed by now that I have children.  They're generally well behaved, and if they act up in a restaurant or some place like that I'll remove them, but it's not to accommodate other people, it's to teach them about how to behave in a public setting.  That said, the only feeling I have toward other parents who are dealing with crying ba ...
 
2014-03-05 01:43:21 PM
Two16, did you forget to take your meds?
 
2014-03-05 01:53:01 PM

TanHamster: Two16, did you forget to take your meds?


2 beers with Drew apparently hasn't been prescribed to him for a few years.
 
2014-03-05 02:04:17 PM

blindio: BayouOtter: Crazy thought - CANCEL THE farkING VACATION.

Crazy thought:  If someone else is upsetting you during your vacation, cancel your vacation, and stay at home and don't go out in public where you have to deal with other people.


Well the difference is that you as the parent knew that there was going to be a little shiat'n'scream machine there, so its your responsibility to not bring it. Its obvious you're a dumbass, though, because you're screwing with no protection and are incapable of family planning. How you manage to set up a vacation a year in advance is beyond me.So instead you just bullheaded plough on through with no concern for other people.

Personally, I wouldn't expect someone ti give up their non-refundable deposit because someone they'll never meet might be mildly inconvenienced.  Buck up and buy some earplugs if it bugs you so bad.


I wouldn't expect someone to drag their newborn on a vacation, but here you are, pushing the boundary of how stupid people can be. Let me just take a shiat on your shiat on your wife - just hose her off if it bothers you so badly.

I'm just saying it's possible.  My point is that they were not necessarily planning a vacation with a child in mind, and they don't mind taking turns to go do the vacation stuff that the baby can't participate in.  Maybe they don't even ski, maybe they just like the view.  If you don't like it, it's not their problem.  If you want to refund their vacation costs, they might take you up on it, but you're not the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable for them to do.

I'm as free to spoil their vacation as they are mine, then? Thats totally acceptable for me to deliberately spoil their time? Got it, thanks. Thats what you're saying here, basically - its alright to ruin other people's vacations but yours is sacrosanct. Maybe if your baby is wailing all night you should be refunding their vacation costs. Its only fair, right?

So.. you can generate pure hyperbole to support your argument, but if I propose a possibility I'm stupid.  Got it.  Then again, even though I'm pro-choice, I'm not sure I think abortion is a reasonable solution to finding out you're pregnant before you go on vacation.

Well, reasonable people would know how to not have babies on accident, you know, basic family planning. You counter that people would be stupid and pig-headed enough to drag a newborn along on their vacation, and I'm just extrapolating what else your idiots would likely do. As apparently everything and everyone around them is inconsequential and only their feelings and experiences matter.

I don't quite get how you think that adults are the only people allowed to be in public, or using public accommodations.  I'm sure you've guessed by now that I have children.

I think that you should be considerate of others. I assumed you're a parent, but I also rightly guessed that you're a self-centered prick that believes the world revolves around yourself and your children.

They're generally well behaved, and if they act up in a restaurant or some place like that I'll remove them, but it's not to accommodate other people, it's to teach them about how to behave in a public setting.

Yeah, exactly. fark other people and their feelings, its all about your control and following your rules. When I'm with my nieces and nephews and they act up, I apologize to the people they bothered because I'm responsible for those kids and therefore when they create a negative experience for others I'm responsible for that. I'd like for them to grow up and act well in public not because I correct them, but because its the right and polite thing to do in consideration of other people.

I don't dislike you for being a parent, I dislike you for being a shiatty parent who teaches his kids to be inconsiderate of others.


That said, the only feeling I have toward other parents who are dealing with crying babies or misbehaving children is sympathy and in some cases kinship.  I get that you and people like you think parenting should be a prison sentence, and I'm sorry it bothers you that the world doesn't work that way.  Good luck with that.

Some people think of empathy as a horrible torture, as consider for others a prison. We call them sociopaths. That would be you, buddy. Give your kids up for adoption and sterilize yourself - break the cycle.
 
2014-03-05 02:14:59 PM

lohphat: We as aa a society have forgotten how to treat others, be considerate of others' needs outside of your own, and not impinge on others' right to a private outing instead of being attention whores monopolizing the venue by being disruptive.


Let's repeat this MANNERS ARE DEAD! This is the problem it works both ways.
 
2014-03-05 02:44:20 PM
Oh I am reading this thread again, and I can see there is no shortage of people who will NEVER inconvenience themselves to avoid inconveniencing others.  Best of all when people DARE suggest they think of others, they get all YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME AND MY BABY as if they are the victims.  The best sort of selfish asshole is the one who simply cannot see it and so completely believes their behavior/choices are completely reasonable - as such they have decided that those people who where raised to consider other people "are the real assholes."  It is downright sad that they actually think that way, and completely depressing.  Just when I think my faith in humanity cannot get much lower...

Then we have arguments where people are arguing against imaginary complaints.  No one is complaining that you HAVE a baby, just what you CHOOSE to do with that baby without regard for other people.  But you don't get it, and won't get it no matter what.  I'm not even going to address specific people here at the moment.  I can see you are beyond convincing no matter what I nor anyone else types.

My final thought on this though is this - public shaming needs to emerge in a big way.  People are far too afraid to do it because everyone is too afraid of confrontation even when they and everyone around them are largely thinking the same thing.  Generally no one says anything, and that needs to change.
 
2014-03-05 02:48:36 PM
BayouOtter: I don't dislike you for being a parent, I dislike you for being a shiatty parent who teaches his kids to be inconsiderate of others.

/thead
 
2014-03-05 02:56:02 PM
Guess thats better than the flaming bag of poo I left in the hall.
 
2014-03-05 03:31:52 PM

BayouOtter: Well the difference is that you as the parent knew that there was going to be a little shiat'n'scream machine there, so its your responsibility to not bring it.


No, it isn't.  It's my responsibility to feed them, put clothes on them, vaccinate them, and get them education as mandated by law. It is my personally accepted additional obligation to teach them to be happy, healthy, well adjusted children.  I have no obligation to bend to your desire that you not ever have children around you.

BayouOtter: Its obvious you're a dumbass, though, because you're screwing with no protection and are incapable of family planning.


Believe it or not, some people have babies on purpose.  Or are you still advocating abortion as a vacation planning methodology instead of people having to *gasp* hear a baby cry once in a while?

BayouOtter: Let me just take a shiat on your shiat on your wife - just hose her off if it bothers you so badly.


Yeah, that's the same.  Exactly the same.  This might be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on fark.  That's magnificient.  You shall be remembered for it. (farked: wants to shiat on my wife because I have children. weirdo.)

BayouOtter: I'm as free to spoil their vacation as they are mine, then? Thats totally acceptable for me to deliberately spoil their time? Got it, thanks. Thats what you're saying here, basically - its alright to ruin other people's vacations but yours is sacrosanct. Maybe if your baby is wailing all night you should be refunding their vacation costs. Its only fair, right?


Are you so ignorant to suggest that they took the baby intending to ruin someone else's vacation? I have to doubt it, but that seems to be what you're suggesting.  Sometimes babies cry, sometimes they don't.  No parent ever thinks "man, I am so totally going to ruin other people's vacations by having my baby with me".  Don't be stupid.  I'm suggesting that parents need not be prisoners because you can't handle a baby crying once in a while.  Deal with it, you're a fully grown up troll. or something.

BayouOtter: Well, reasonable people would know how to not have babies on accident, you know, basic family planning.


Somehow I have to question if you know what the word accident means.

BayouOtter: I also rightly guessed that you're a self-centered prick that believes the world revolves around yourself and your children.


You'd be wrong, but there's a big gulf between being someone who thinks the world revolves around me and my kids,  and not consigning myself to be a prisoner because your might not have the best vacation ever because my kid cried.

BayouOtter: Yeah, exactly. fark other people and their feelings, its all about your control and following your rules.


You're insane right?  You spend hours threadshiatting about kids not being respectful and upsetting poor, unsuspecting adults on vacation, but then berate someone who's prime objective is to teach their kids how to behave in public when they act up?

BayouOtter: public


Another word who's definition seems to elude you.

BayouOtter: I don't dislike you for being a parent, I dislike you for being a shiatty parent who teaches his kids to be inconsiderate of others.


Except you don't know anything about me, and you just berated me for doing the exact opposite.  but hey, was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

BayouOtter: Some people think of empathy as a horrible torture, as consider for others a prison. We call them sociopaths. That would be you, buddy. Give your kids up for adoption and sterilize yourself - break the cycle.


Yeah, I'm the sociopath.  good luck with your crazy.  I'm done with you.
 
2014-03-05 03:49:57 PM

blindio: BayouOtter: Let me just take a shiat on your shiat on your wife - just hose her off if it bothers you so badly.

Yeah, that's the same.  Exactly the same.  This might be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on fark.  That's magnificient.  You shall be remembered for it. (farked: wants to shiat on my wife because I have children. weirdo.)


I had to block this guy.  I've been on Fark basically since the beginning (lurked a while, then created an account in '02 or something) and I've never seen anything like him.  Unmedicated psychotic.
 
2014-03-05 04:04:10 PM
What?  Parents suck?  Who could have possibly guessed?

//csb: When the movie Kick-Ass came out, I went to a midnight showing.  a few spots ahead of me in line was a family of four, with the son, maybe 8 or so (about the age of Anakin Skywalker in Episode 1) dressed in a superhero costume of some sort that wasn't from the movie or comic, and a daughter still young enough to be carried in by her mom.  If you haven't seen the movie, spoiler alert:  In the very opening scene, some retard puts on a winged superhero costume, and jumps off a building, only to land on the ground, nice and violent and bloody.   After this family did no research, did not listen to the warnings others gave them, and ignored the R rating.  The male child starts screaming and crying.

Thank goodness midnight premiers here include a pair of ushers, who escorted the family out.  not gently either.  After the movie, we leave, and she is still standing there berating the manager and trying to get the $72 she spent on the movie back.  Funniest shiat ever.  I hope her crotchfruit was permanently warped by seeing that.
 
2014-03-05 04:10:54 PM
I can't help but suspect some of you in this thread would absolutely do THIS and not see any reason why it was wrong to do.

Just because you don't have any "obligation" to be considerate towards those around you doesn't exactly mean you aren't an inconsiderate shameless asshole.

No there is NEVER an "obligation" to be a decent human being.  It is something you choose to be, or you choose otherwise (and still pull the "I'm the REAL victim" card when people correctly call you out).

Well the world will never have a shortage of selfish assholes, so the rest of us might as well get used to it.
 
2014-03-05 04:13:09 PM

IronJelly: What?  Parents suck?  Who could have possibly guessed?

//csb: When the movie Kick-Ass came out, I went to a midnight showing.  a few spots ahead of me in line was a family of four, with the son, maybe 8 or so (about the age of Anakin Skywalker in Episode 1) dressed in a superhero costume of some sort that wasn't from the movie or comic, and a daughter still young enough to be carried in by her mom.  If you haven't seen the movie, spoiler alert:  In the very opening scene, some retard puts on a winged superhero costume, and jumps off a building, only to land on the ground, nice and violent and bloody.   After this family did no research, did not listen to the warnings others gave them, and ignored the R rating.  The male child starts screaming and crying.

Thank goodness midnight premiers here include a pair of ushers, who escorted the family out.  not gently either.  After the movie, we leave, and she is still standing there berating the manager and trying to get the $72 she spent on the movie back.  Funniest shiat ever.  I hope her crotchfruit was permanently warped by seeing that.


Your story had me until that line. Movie theaters routinely give refunds to people who leave a movie early, unless it's in the last few minutes of the film. It's actually a common occurrence with horror or excessively violent movies.
 
2014-03-05 04:13:18 PM

blindio: BayouOtter: Well the difference is that you as the parent knew that there was going to be a little shiat'n'scream machine there, so its your responsibility to not bring it.

No, it isn't.  It's my responsibility to feed them, put clothes on them, vaccinate them, and get them education as mandated by law. It is my personally accepted additional obligation to teach them to be happy, healthy, well adjusted children.  I have no obligation to bend to your desire that you not ever have children around you.


Well if you've got no obligation to uphold your end of the social contract, don't be surprised when somebody steals your 'possessions' and hurts your family. Nobody has to bend to your desire for security. Can you even read what you write?

"I have no responsibility to be considerate of others, or to teach my children to consider the feelings and experiences of others."

BayouOtter: Its obvious you're a dumbass, though, because you're screwing with no protection and are incapable of family planning.

Believe it or not, some people have babies on purpose.  Or are you still advocating abortion as a vacation planning methodology instead of people having to *gasp* hear a baby cry once in a while?


You're the one who posited a scenario where people have a surprise pregnancy after planning their vacation. At one point or another those parents made a deliberate choice to take their newborn with them.

BayouOtter: Let me just take a shiat on your shiat on your wife - just hose her off if it bothers you so badly.

Yeah, that's the same.  Exactly the same.  This might be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on fark.  That's magnificient.  You shall be remembered for it. (farked: wants to shiat on my wife because I have children. weirdo.)


Oh, does your philosophy of 'other people's feelings don't matter' fall apart when its pointed back at you? Hrm, its almost like you're being a hypocritical and selfish asshole.

Are you so ignorant to suggest that they took the baby intending to ruin someone else's vacation? I have to doubt it, but that seems to be what you're suggesting.  Sometimes babies cry, sometimes they don't.  No parent ever thinks "man, I am so totally going to ruin other people's vacations by having my baby with me".  Don't be stupid.  I'm suggesting that parents need not be prisoners because you can't handle a baby crying once in a while.  Deal with it, you're a fully grown up troll. or something.

Right, because getting a babysitter, leaving a child with family, or postponing a vacation is literally prison. Do you have some kind of problem with accepting responsibility for making a baby? It takes a lot of time and work to raise a child, and requires sacrifice on the part of the parents - either you knew that and had a baby anyway or you didn't know that and you're just stupid. Third option, you're a selfish asshole using the baby as a the ultimate narcissistic tool.

I'm leaning toward accepting Option 3 as the cause for your behavior and attitude.

Somehow I have to question if you know what the word accident means.

Its a good thing abortions and adoptions aren't illegal. Again, deliberate choices.

  You'd be wrong, but there's a big gulf between being someone who thinks the world revolves around me and my kids,  and not consigning myself to be a prisoner because your might not have the best vacation ever because my kid cried."You want me to parent my kids and think about other people? WHO ARE YOU, STALIN? YOU'RE OPPRESSING ME AND MY BABY"

BayouOtter: Yeah, exactly. fark other people and their feelings, its all about your control and following your rules.

You're insane right?  You spend hours threadshiatting about kids not being respectful and upsetting poor, unsuspecting adults on vacation, but then berate someone who's prime objective is to teach their kids how to behave in public when they act up?


Well my primary complaint is about parents being inconsiderate about others and passing along these anti-social values to their offspring, so you've got that wrong again. As for your objective, its to make your children obey you. Classical authoritarian principles here, where you instill them to follow a central human authority figure - in this case you. You're not teaching them to behave for their sake, or for society's sake, but for your sake so you can get off to the sense of control from having other people orbit your own self importance. (Your kids will grow up to be fascists, or they'll despise you. Or both!)

A good parent would be teaching them to behave in public because, again, society is made of a people that all agreed to get along and not be murdering assholes. Its dependent on everyone being empathetic and considerate enough to put aside their short-term personal gain for collective long-term success. Your kid shouldn't be saying 'please' and 'thank you' because you'll yell at them, they should be 'behaving' because they can empathize and identify with the other person.

You're a shiatty parent.

 
2014-03-05 04:17:43 PM

ReapTheChaos: IronJelly: What?  Parents suck?  Who could have possibly guessed?

//csb: When the movie Kick-Ass came out, I went to a midnight showing.  a few spots ahead of me in line was a family of four, with the son, maybe 8 or so (about the age of Anakin Skywalker in Episode 1) dressed in a superhero costume of some sort that wasn't from the movie or comic, and a daughter still young enough to be carried in by her mom.  If you haven't seen the movie, spoiler alert:  In the very opening scene, some retard puts on a winged superhero costume, and jumps off a building, only to land on the ground, nice and violent and bloody.   After this family did no research, did not listen to the warnings others gave them, and ignored the R rating.  The male child starts screaming and crying.

Thank goodness midnight premiers here include a pair of ushers, who escorted the family out.  not gently either.  After the movie, we leave, and she is still standing there berating the manager and trying to get the $72 she spent on the movie back.  Funniest shiat ever.  I hope her crotchfruit was permanently warped by seeing that.

Your story had me until that line. Movie theaters routinely give refunds to people who leave a movie early, unless it's in the last few minutes of the film. It's actually a common occurrence with horror or excessively violent movies.


No idea if the story is real, but it could be.  He said the ushers removed them aka KICKED THEM OUT and when people get kicked out for behavioral reasons I find it unlikely that they get a refund.  People who WILLINGLY leave early on for reasons like horror/violence are another matter and probably could get a refund.
 
2014-03-05 04:31:42 PM
If any of you people live in or around Boston, can you let me know where you go to eat? It really warmed my heart to hear all of your support for screaming children because you once had them yourself. My baby will be born in two months and although my plan was to not take her out in public, I'd enjoy ruining your meal with a loud baby if possible.
All you other people, don't worry. I will never bring my screaming/crying baby out to where you are eating, it just seems incredible rude to me.
Hit me up Boston people with grown/older kids. See you soon!
 
2014-03-05 04:33:44 PM

bk3k: I can't help but suspect some of you in this thread would absolutely do THIS and not see any reason why it was wrong to do.

Just because you don't have any "obligation" to be considerate towards those around you doesn't exactly mean you aren't an inconsiderate shameless asshole.

No there is NEVER an "obligation" to be a decent human being.  It is something you choose to be, or you choose otherwise (and still pull the "I'm the REAL victim" card when people correctly call you out).

Well the world will never have a shortage of selfish assholes, so the rest of us might as well get used to it.


http://www.fark.com/comments/8166566/89606357#c89606357" data-cke-saved-href="http://www.fark.com/comments/8166566/89606357#c8 9606357">bk3k: I can't help but suspect some of you in this thread would absolutely do THIS and not see any reason why it was wrong to do.

Just because you don't have any "obligation" to be considerate towards those around you doesn't exactly mean you aren't an inconsiderate shameless asshole.

No there is NEVER an "obligation" to be a decent human being.  It is something you choose to be, or you choose otherwise (and still pull the "I'm the REAL victim" card when people correctly call you out).

Well the world will never have a shortage of selfish assholes, so the rest of us might as well get used to it.



Yeah, you non-parents have it rough.  When you get home from work, you've got the difficult decision of what to have for dinner before deciding what TV you're going to watch before deciding what time you go to bed.  Or maybe you just go straight to the bar from work.  Hoo!! I don't know how you cope with all of that stress.

Yes, we parents are a selfish lot.  My son is not even a year old, and I've opened and contributed the maximum to his Coverdell college fund.  I've additionally contributed to a NY 529 college fund.  I'd rather my son have money for college than spend that money on a luxury car, or top-shelf booze, or whatever it is that bro-dudes my age spend their money on.

Do you do any kind of volunteering in your community?  Or do you just say "fark them" to pretty much everyone except yourself.  Because you seem like that type of person.  I'm sure you're not a selfish asshole at all.
 
2014-03-05 04:36:34 PM
TanHamster:
Yeah, you non-parents have it rough.  When you get home from work, you've got the difficult decision of what to have for dinner before deciding what TV you're going to watch before deciding what time you go to bed.  Or maybe you just go straight to the bar from work.  Hoo!! I don't know how you cope with all of that stress.

Yes, we parents are a selfish lot.  My son is not even a year old, and I've opened and contributed the maximum to his Coverdell college fund.  I've additionally contributed to a NY 529 college fund.  I'd rather my son have money for college than spend that money on a luxury car, or top-shelf booze, or whatever it is that bro-dudes my age spend their money on.

Do you do any kind of volunteering in your community?  Or do you just say "fark them" to pretty much everyone except yourself.  Because you seem like that type of person.  I'm sure you're not a selfish asshole at all.


Gosh, it must be tough to shoulder that burden you chose to place on yourself! When you're done with the cross, can I have the wood? I could use it down at the volunteer center.
 
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