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(Daily Mail)   New parents take infant to swanky ski resort and are appalled to find anonymous note under their door addressing their screaming baby, selfishness, lack of common sense and neighbors' ruined sleep. Naturally they run to the media   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 221
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2014-03-05 12:18:54 AM
A "swanky" ski resort without soundproofing sounds like a euphemism for a cheap hotel. Loud TVs, loud sex, loud parties, etc. all generate noise otherwise.

Alternately, call the front desk and ask for earplugs.
 
2014-03-05 12:38:02 AM
I think bringing the baby as more of survival tactic.

If they were to get lost or explore off the main ski runs and lose their way, they may need the offspring for nutrition until they get rescued.
 
2014-03-05 01:21:28 AM
Their next vacation destination will likely be a two week cruise to nowhere.  The baby squawls might help drown out the sounds associated with projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea of norovirus suffering shipmates.
 
2014-03-05 01:29:35 AM
I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters. There are stories like this where parents are taking their babies to places inappropriate for them.

Being a parent means making some sacrifices. But somehow, somewhere along the line that concept was thrown out and parents just became selfish, self-centered brats for whom the baby is just an accessory to be gawked at by strangers.
 
2014-03-05 01:54:31 AM
I saw this and had to check to see if it was Colorado...of course it was.
 
2014-03-05 01:57:20 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening.


That's stupid.

I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters.

There's nothing wrong with that, though. Babysitting isn't a new concept.

Being a parent means making some sacrifices. But somehow, somewhere along the line that concept was thrown out and parents just became selfish, self-centered brats for whom the baby is just an accessory to be gawked at by strangers.

I think I already subscribe to your blog.
 
2014-03-05 02:02:16 AM
Back when the third LOTR came out I went to to 10:00 PM showing, and a couple of breeders had their 3 kids with them. The oldest kid was maybe 8, and the littlest was a baby.

/Some people.
 
2014-03-05 02:02:50 AM
While I agree with the author's premise, the grammar in that letter is atrocious.
 
2014-03-05 02:03:41 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening.


If I had a dollar for every time I see an infant or toddler being dragged along by its parents for dinner at 9pm, I'd be a rich sonofabiatch. I was in IHOP last week--because I wanted pancakes at 3am, and so did my friends--and there was an otherwise lovely couple just sitting there with a kid in a car seat. I swear I not only smelled shiat, but that kid started screaming about half an hour after I sat down.

Why is it not legal to beat a small child with a syrup dispenser? Why?!
 
2014-03-05 02:06:45 AM
I'd turn the TV up full blast before I left for the day of skiing. Now, if we can do something about the yappy dogs keeping me up at night.
/Ah, the gun cabinet beckons.
 
2014-03-05 02:06:56 AM
Yeah. Having children means making sacrifices. Too many parents have the 'my child is special and belongs everywhere at all times' mentality.

You can't have it both ways.
 
2014-03-05 02:07:03 AM
Haven't we learned that most of these 'notes' are fake?
 
2014-03-05 02:13:44 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I see parents taking their infant children out to dinner at 9 in the evening. I hear people talk about getting "parent time" and pawning the little kids off on babysitters. There are stories like this where parents are taking their babies to places inappropriate for them.

Being a parent means making some sacrifices. But somehow, somewhere along the line that concept was thrown out and parents just became selfish, self-centered brats for whom the baby is just an accessory to be gawked at by strangers.


I know a couple that pawned the baby off on it's great grandmother so they could go camping, two weeks after the child was born.

Of course my own child's initial sleeping habits meant shopping happened at the 24 hour grocery store at 11pm some days, because we'd sleep when he slept those first few months.  He was a night owl.

Some parents need slack, others need a smack upside the head.  Difficult to tell which needs what though unless you're close to them.
 
2014-03-05 02:17:35 AM
Colorado = high class people that they are the only people on earth.


/been in Colorado a zillion time.
 
2014-03-05 02:19:09 AM
Crap...what happen when I drink too much.

Forgot the word "think"...


Yea... I am thinking too, thank you very much.
 
2014-03-05 02:24:35 AM

orangehat: I saw this and had to check to see if it was Colorado...of course it was.


Yup.
 
2014-03-05 02:28:02 AM
Fubini: A "swanky" ski resort without soundproofing sounds like a euphemism for a cheap hotel. Loud TVs, loud sex, loud parties, etc. all generate noise otherwise.

Yup... About sums it up.

Alternately, call the front desk and ask for earplugs.

This... not so much.
 
2014-03-05 02:28:38 AM
I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.
 
2014-03-05 02:29:31 AM
probably written by a snowboarder
 
2014-03-05 02:31:52 AM
In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?

The idea that you can't say anything to anybody else's kids and you should take offense if someone notices your child is screaming their head off in public is leading to spoiled, self-centered little assholes who put no value in being considerate to others.
 
2014-03-05 02:32:47 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Back when the third LOTR came out I went to to 10:00 PM showing, and a couple of breeders had their 3 kids with them. The oldest kid was maybe 8, and the littlest was a baby.

/Some people.


I went to a midnight screening of The Two Towers, and there was a rowdy group down front being obnoxious when the movie was starting. Some dude near the back stood up and screamed in the most pissed off voice I'd ever heard "WOULD YOU SHUT THE F*CK UP?"

/boring story bro
 
2014-03-05 02:34:20 AM

Smokey the Bare: Fubini: A "swanky" ski resort without soundproofing sounds like a euphemism for a cheap hotel. Loud TVs, loud sex, loud parties, etc. all generate noise otherwise.

Yup... About sums it up.

Alternately, call the front desk and ask for earplugs.

This... not so much.


I keep ear plugs handy when I travel and don't let the little stuff bother me.

It's all little stuff.
 
2014-03-05 02:36:01 AM

Bathysphere: orangehat: I saw this and had to check to see if it was Colorado...of course it was.

Yup.


Maybe our legal weed will chill these mo'farkers out.   Doubt it.
 
2014-03-05 02:36:48 AM
Oh good, a "hate the breeders" thread.  These are always funny.
 
2014-03-05 02:37:12 AM

MustardTiger: I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.


Have you ever seen a jelly fish eating a baby?  Me either.  But I bet that's pretty awesome.
 
2014-03-05 02:39:23 AM

MustardTiger: I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.


As the parent of a (sometimes) screaming child, I wouldn't take a newborn on a ski trip anyway (which is why her savings account has been nicknamed 'Kauai' on my online banking page) but if I HAD to, I would have asked for a room where we were less likely to bother neighbors. If they were still bothered, I'd have them take it up with management. Passing a note under my door is a good way to get a stinky-diaper booby trap installed over your door


/she's 6mos. old
//so were you, once
///all of us were
 
2014-03-05 02:39:52 AM

piltdown: Oh good, a "hate the breeders" thread.  These are always funny.


I don't get these threads.  Seether was a great song.
 
2014-03-05 02:41:28 AM

elguerodiablo: MustardTiger: I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.

Have you ever seen a jelly fish eating a baby?  Me either.  But I bet that's pretty awesome.


You'd have better luck with a squid, jellyfish don't really have the means to masticate (which I assume is the part you want to see)
 
2014-03-05 02:43:24 AM

ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?

The idea that you can't say anything to anybody else's kids and you should take offense if someone notices your child is screaming their head off in public is leading to spoiled, self-centered little assholes who put no value in being considerate to others.


So... Americans, basically.
 
2014-03-05 02:44:24 AM
Leave the crotch fruit at home assholes!
 
2014-03-05 02:44:52 AM

ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?



I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.
 
2014-03-05 02:47:52 AM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: Back when the third LOTR came out I went to to 10:00 PM showing, and a couple of breeders had their 3 kids with them. The oldest kid was maybe 8, and the littlest was a baby.

/Some people.


breeders huh

im guessing you are not
keep it up - i thank you
 
2014-03-05 02:51:35 AM

elguerodiablo: piltdown: Oh good, a "hate the breeders" thread.  These are always funny.

I don't get these threads.  Seether was a great song.


"Seether" was Veruca Salt.
 
2014-03-05 02:53:45 AM

elguerodiablo: MustardTiger: I would be pretty mad if I was next door to a screaming child. I wouldn't write a letter. That just seems a little too passive for me. I'm not sure what I would do, but I'm sure it would be pretty awesome.

Have you ever seen a jelly fish eating a baby?  Me either.  But I bet that's pretty awesome.


Actually, I have... It was pretty awesome.
 
2014-03-05 02:54:26 AM

SeaMan Stainz: Leave the crotch fruit at home assholes!


It takes a village to raise a child, so man up and do your part, Villager.
 
2014-03-05 02:56:42 AM
I have kids myself, and let me tell you this: that letter is not very effective.

What would be effective would be to wait for the kid to finally fall asleep, wait 5 minutes, and then start playing loud music and bang on the walls.

/Any weapon can be turned against it's owner
 
2014-03-05 02:57:34 AM
I personally love people who bring their screaming toddlers to steak houses(or any sit down restaurants).  McDonalds sure.  But not nice places where people actually want to sit down and have a reasonably peaceful meal.  Those sort of people don't exactly care once the kids act up, don't do a damn thing about it, and have no shame nor consideration of others.

Sure people want to eat somewhere nice now and then.  Even parents.  But for that you leave the kids with relatives or a babysitter when they are that young or if you cannot otherwise control them.  It is a very simple matter of courtesy to OTHER people.  Just because you are used to the 24/7 screaming (and ignoring it to boot) doesn't mean everyone else should be expected to deal with it as well.

I think the note was quite warranted.  My only issue is that these things should be said plainly to their face not with a note.  I mean what is that... grade school?

Yeah the place was probably cheap, but that is no particular excuse for the parents.  You don't rely on construction materials to make up for your own lack of courtesy and foresight.
 
2014-03-05 03:07:32 AM
ambercat:

www.netbrawl.com



In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


The idea that you can't say anything to anybody else's kids and you should take offense if someone notices your child is screaming their head off in public is leading to spoiled, self-centered little assholes who put no value in being considerate to others.

 
2014-03-05 03:08:11 AM
I'd just call the cops and say, "I don't know what's been going on, but there has been this terrible screaming coming from there for the last hour. I think you need to check it out."

By the time the hotel management caught wind of it, they would have moved the couple and their rugrat to another part of the resort.
 
2014-03-05 03:08:28 AM

DittoToo: ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.


That's because american children don't behave. 18 years in France, I've seen hundreds of children in restaurants and not one tantrum.
 
2014-03-05 03:09:30 AM

DittoToo: ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.


Recently moved to France.  You're wrong.  A few months ago I was in a nice-enough restaurant in the town where I live.  A father sat his child on a chair in the corner for misbehaving.  No one batted an eye.  Parents walk their young kids to school here (there are no buses), and we see mothers regularly cuff their kids if they're rowdy.  So will the teachers.
 
2014-03-05 03:17:22 AM

JerkyMeat: I think bringing the baby as more of survival tactic.

If they were to get lost or explore off the main ski runs and lose their way, they may need the offspring for nutrition until they get rescued.


Your handle makes you sound like the kind of dude that knows the value of a shelf stable protein source, and makes your comment a helpful...yet disturbing bit of frontier logic.

/kudos
 
2014-03-05 03:21:28 AM

KWess: DittoToo: ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.

Recently moved to France.  You're wrong.  A few months ago I was in a nice-enough restaurant in the town where I live.  A father sat his child on a chair in the corner for misbehaving.  No one batted an eye.  Parents walk their young kids to school here (there are no buses), and we see mothers regularly cuff their kids if they're rowdy.  So will the teachers.


What region?
 
2014-03-05 03:22:18 AM
Just popping in to remind the peanut gallery that many major ski resorts offer nursery care, some starting at 8 weeks old. Most have programs starting at age 3. If you're at a resort that does, you should probably expect children at your "fancy ski vacation".
 
2014-03-05 03:24:12 AM

Public Savant: I have kids myself, and let me tell you this: that letter is not very effective.

What would be effective would be to wait for the kid to finally fall asleep, wait 5 minutes, and then start playing loud music and bang on the walls.

/Any weapon can be turned against it's owner


Brilliant. Simple and effective.
 
2014-03-05 03:31:29 AM

TenJed_77: KWess: DittoToo: ambercat: In other cultures, parents feel shame when their children cause trouble for other adults. If children are acting out in public, it's acceptable for any adult around to tell them to knock it off, even threaten to tell their parents if their parent isn't nearby. Those cultures always have better behaved children. Wonder why?


I disagree.  Americans are the least tolerant of children when it comes to public dining.

Recently moved to France.  You're wrong.  A few months ago I was in a nice-enough restaurant in the town where I live.  A father sat his child on a chair in the corner for misbehaving.  No one batted an eye.  Parents walk their young kids to school here (there are no buses), and we see mothers regularly cuff their kids if they're rowdy.  So will the teachers.

What region?


Alsace..Strasbourg area.
 
2014-03-05 03:34:02 AM
I took my daughter to see the Lego movie tonight.  She's whatever years old.  It doesn't mater because it was the theater's designated kids showing for the day.  Early screening and on a Tuesday.  We were the only ones with a kid.  Kid was going "Oh no!!!" and "Yeh!" and "Wowwaahh!" and I could hear the adults around us hissing between their teeth every time.  Not all, mind you, but enough.  I wish one of them would have had the audacity to say something but it never happened.  I would have enjoyed explaining the concept of kids night to them.

I feel the same way about Olive Garden, TGI Fridays, Outback, or even any local family dining joint.  If you see child seats, and the hostess handing out crayons, then maybe you should think a little harder about where you are taking your date.
 
2014-03-05 03:37:50 AM

KWess: Alsace..Strasbourg area.


Spiffy.  We lived over by Nancy for a couple years, my dad later moved to Robertsau.  Visited him there once, gorgeous area except for the pollution smudge in the air.
 
2014-03-05 03:37:54 AM

TwowheelinTim: Smokey the Bare: Fubini: A "swanky" ski resort without soundproofing sounds like a euphemism for a cheap hotel. Loud TVs, loud sex, loud parties, etc. all generate noise otherwise.

Yup... About sums it up.

Alternately, call the front desk and ask for earplugs.

This... not so much.

I keep ear plugs handy when I travel and don't let the little stuff bother me.

It's all little stuff.


Yeap. Or turn the radio up or the tv.  Its not your house, you are staying at a place where other people stay ... so deal with it.

I tend to commiserate with parents of screaming children - they tend to be embarrased and powerless (before you ask, no I do not have any.)

If these people do not want to take the risk of suffering the pains of having other people a thin wall away then they should rent a chalet.

Personally I would have just gotten out of bed and either gone to the bar or watched a movie.
 
2014-03-05 03:38:09 AM
No INFANTS do not belong at a ski resort. I could give less than 2 farks about what your baby might be going through. This BS happened to me on a romantic trip at a nice hotel. I asked to be moved. No you don't get to live your life like you used to and drag your kid around to make everyone who does not have kids,is on a vacation away from their kids,and/or is older and has already raised their kids---be bothered BY YOUR KIDS. Is over the whole PC we should empathize with young parents. NO we should tell parents they need to stay home with infants.
 
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