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(Slate)   Wait, you've been talking about True Detective without having cited Ambrose Pierce's infamous 1886 short story, "An Inhabitant of Carcosa?" What kind of mouth-breather are you? Geez, you're like an infant trying to grasp physics   (slate.com) divider line 52
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2014-03-04 06:14:41 PM  
Ambrose Bierce, perhaps the most famous person to come from Meigs County, OH.
 
2014-03-04 06:18:58 PM  

karmaceutical: Ambrose Bierce, perhaps the most famous person to come from Meigs County, OH.


And batshiat insane as  the rest.
 
2014-03-04 06:19:41 PM  
the way i understand it, the reason that area has such cultural relevance in TV right now isn't because of its history of voodoo, or race relations, or the occult... its because its cheap to film there. TD wasn't even originally set there. they retooled the setting and script when they decided to shoot there for financial reasons.
 
2014-03-04 06:21:17 PM  
isn't it Bierce, subby?
 
2014-03-04 06:23:45 PM  
Boring.

Much rather talk about:

640x480.com
 
2014-03-04 06:31:01 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: isn't it Bierce, subby?


But today's National Grammer Day, so, fark what's proper and true.
 
2014-03-04 06:37:51 PM  
How does Rust get Marty to smoke the ricin cigarette? Why is he taking a dump on Audrey's diorama of her satanic sacrifice?
 
2014-03-04 06:39:16 PM  

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: isn't it Bierce, subby?


Forget it, he's rolling.
 
2014-03-04 06:39:44 PM  

tlchwi02: the way i understand it, the reason that area has such cultural relevance in TV right now isn't because of its history of voodoo, or race relations, or the occult... its because its cheap to film there. TD wasn't even originally set there. they retooled the setting and script when they decided to shoot there for financial reasons.


where was it originally set?
 
2014-03-04 06:53:54 PM  

ongbok: tlchwi02: the way i understand it, the reason that area has such cultural relevance in TV right now isn't because of its history of voodoo, or race relations, or the occult... its because its cheap to film there. TD wasn't even originally set there. they retooled the setting and script when they decided to shoot there for financial reasons.

where was it originally set?


Arkansas, I've heard.  Though the only thing Google tells me is that Pizzolatto went to the University of Arkansas for grad school.
 
2014-03-04 06:57:28 PM  

rugman11: ongbok: tlchwi02: the way i understand it, the reason that area has such cultural relevance in TV right now isn't because of its history of voodoo, or race relations, or the occult... its because its cheap to film there. TD wasn't even originally set there. they retooled the setting and script when they decided to shoot there for financial reasons.

where was it originally set?

Arkansas, I've heard.  Though the only thing Google tells me is that Pizzolatto went to the University of Arkansas for grad school.


Here it is:

Lamar:I understand you had initially intended on setting True Detective in rural Arkansas and were enticed back to Louisiana, in part, because the incentives the state provides for film projects. As you may know, Hollywood South has not been without its critics, many of whom suggest that the State is not really receiving anything of economic benefit in exchange. I'm not trying to get you into any trouble here, but I'm curious if you have an opinion on the value of Louisiana's film incentives, if you think that Louisiana is actually investing in a lasting industry and lasting jobs or if we're just engaging in a type of "race to the bottom"? That is, what happens if a state like Michigan, for example, offers twice as much in tax incentives and credits as Louisiana?

Nic: Well, there's no question we moved it to Louisiana for tax incentives, but there were other states we could have chosen. I chose Louisiana so that I could take full possession of everything I'd ever wanted to explore and portray about the place. So it was fortunate, in that it actually brought the work to a more personal place with me. As for the future of the Louisiana film business, I don't have enough working knowledge of its history and prospects to really comment, but yes, I'd think that when the incentives drop or other, better ones are offered by other states, the industry would totally migrate to those places, the same way it migrated to Louisiana. There's also the idea of just having shot-out a place. If most movies and a lot of TV in the last years have been set in Louisiana, which has a very particular look, then it stands to reason people will be getting tired of seeing it.

But my whole life there it was always something- the petroleum industries, the riverboat casino gambling, the film industry -that was finally going to lift Louisiana out of nearly last place and provide some kind of economic future for its children. What money there was didn't seem to go to the right places, though, and the entertainment industry is as tough and fickle a place to do business as any. So maybe just take all that into consideration.
 
2014-03-04 06:59:35 PM  
Fun fact: watching even a few minutes of this show will drive you insane.
 
2014-03-04 07:00:02 PM  

tlchwi02: the way i understand it, the reason that area has such cultural relevance in TV right now isn't because of its history of voodoo, or race relations, or the occult... its because its cheap to film there. TD wasn't even originally set there. they retooled the setting and script when they decided to shoot there for financial reasons.


Plus, the stick figure pyramid thingies at the death scenes kinda look like oil derricks.
 
2014-03-04 07:09:43 PM  

rugman11: ongbok: tlchwi02: the way i understand it, the reason that area has such cultural relevance in TV right now isn't because of its history of voodoo, or race relations, or the occult... its because its cheap to film there. TD wasn't even originally set there. they retooled the setting and script when they decided to shoot there for financial reasons.

where was it originally set?

Arkansas, I've heard.  Though the only thing Google tells me is that Pizzolatto went to the University of Arkansas for grad school.


That would have been cool
 
2014-03-04 07:22:44 PM  

rugman11: rugman11: ongbok: tlchwi02: the way i understand it, the reason that area has such cultural relevance in TV right now isn't because of its history of voodoo, or race relations, or the occult... its because its cheap to film there. TD wasn't even originally set there. they retooled the setting and script when they decided to shoot there for financial reasons.

where was it originally set?

Arkansas, I've heard.  Though the only thing Google tells me is that Pizzolatto went to the University of Arkansas for grad school.

Here it is:

Lamar:I understand you had initially intended on setting True Detective in rural Arkansas and were enticed back to Louisiana, in part, because the incentives the state provides for film projects. As you may know, Hollywood South has not been without its critics, many of whom suggest that the State is not really receiving anything of economic benefit in exchange. I'm not trying to get you into any trouble here, but I'm curious if you have an opinion on the value of Louisiana's film incentives, if you think that Louisiana is actually investing in a lasting industry and lasting jobs or if we're just engaging in a type of "race to the bottom"? That is, what happens if a state like Michigan, for example, offers twice as much in tax incentives and credits as Louisiana?

Nic: Well, there's no question we moved it to Louisiana for tax incentives, but there were other states we could have chosen. I chose Louisiana so that I could take full possession of everything I'd ever wanted to explore and portray about the place. So it was fortunate, in that it actually brought the work to a more personal place with me. As for the future of the Louisiana film business, I don't have enough working knowledge of its history and prospects to really comment, but yes, I'd think that when the incentives drop or other, better ones are offered by other states, the industry would totally migrate to those places, the same way it migrated to Louisiana. There's also the ...


True, but as a south louisiana native from Houma, grew up in new orleans, who has lived all over south america, you will not find a bunch of nice people...
 
2014-03-04 07:47:28 PM  

ongbok: its because its cheap to film there


I like that it's set in Louisiana. Even as someone who lived there for a couple years (one in Lake Charles and one in Baton Rouge) and isn't particularly enthralled with the area, I have to admit that south Louisiana does have a mystique and is the perfect backdrop for this type of story.
 
2014-03-04 07:55:16 PM  
It is, in fact, Bierce.

His book The Devil's Dictionary is a fun read.

The Devil's Dictionary site

the Project Gutenberg version
 
2014-03-04 08:10:12 PM  
Fark is hard on people who get names wrong, subby. If you get the opportunity you should kill yourself.
 
2014-03-04 08:14:48 PM  
The wife... her daddy... she's way deeper than you know... in on it at every level... doesn't know a better way...  Marty is and always has been a pawn...
 
2014-03-04 08:15:42 PM  

The Goddamn Batman: ongbok: its because its cheap to film there

I like that it's set in Louisiana. Even as someone who lived there for a couple years (one in Lake Charles and one in Baton Rouge) and isn't particularly enthralled with the area, I have to admit that south Louisiana does have a mystique and is the perfect backdrop for this type of story.


I agree, but from what I hear the back country of Arkansas has a lot of crazy, the type of crazy that would really fit this story.
 
2014-03-04 08:19:04 PM  
I own two "complete" versions of the Devil's Dictionary, both done in quite different styles.  One has an almost complete collection of Bierce's writings attached.  I still remember having read "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" as a kid.
 
2014-03-04 08:19:51 PM  

Bolo Jungle: The wife... her daddy... she's way deeper than you know... in on it at every level... doesn't know a better way...  Marty is and always has been a pawn...


It is an interesting theory. Anyone know if the actor who played Maggie's father is cast for the final episode?
 
2014-03-04 08:25:16 PM  
So the Slate caught up to something io9 brought up three weeks ago? That's fast for them.
 
2014-03-04 08:29:13 PM  

Dr.Zom: Fark is hard on people who get names wrong, subby. If you get the opportunity you should kill yourself.


It's an odd name. It makes you wonder if someone mispronounced it or misheard it and tried to spell it in an official capacity. Like a clerk at Ellis Island misheard Pierce as Bierce and the immigrant just said "close enough" and went with it.
 
2014-03-04 09:00:11 PM  

tlchwi02: the way i understand it, the reason that area has such cultural relevance in TV right now isn't because of its history of voodoo, or race relations, or the occult... its because its cheap to film there. TD wasn't even originally set there. they retooled the setting and script when they decided to shoot there for financial reasons.


That's always the way film and television work, though. You run into a budgetary limit or some other problem and often it leads to changes that improve the final product. For example, when the makers of Back to the Future decided a time machine made out of a fridge would be a bad idea because kids might try to emulate it and hurt themselves, the iconic DeLorean was born. I feel like this was a similar thing, where it was borne out of budget concerns, but in the end it has made the show better because Louisiana just has a weird creepy vibe that Arkansas doesn't.
 
2014-03-04 09:25:46 PM  
Sad to see this storyline wrapping up. I wonder how long it's going to take some college to dedicate an entire course to breaking down each layer of season 1 of this show
 
2014-03-04 09:56:38 PM  
So is the consensus that the finale is going to include a red room and a midget speaking backwards or your garden variety redneck Satanists? Just finished episode seven and I think it could go either way and I wouldn't mind.
 
2014-03-04 09:59:00 PM  
They skipped over Robert Chambers "The King in Yellow" from 1895 which also borrowed Carcosa from Bierca and has been quoted in the show verbatim.
 
2014-03-04 10:18:43 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: So is the consensus that the finale is going to include a red room and a midget speaking backwards or your garden variety redneck Satanists? Just finished episode seven and I think it could go either way and I wouldn't mind.


I'm going to be cranky if it doesn't explain why references to Chambers, Bierce, and Lovecraft are so frequent. Not necessarily anything supernatural, but an insanity-inducing book or something is pretty much mandatory at this point - if "Yellow King" and "Carcosa" turn out to just be codenames for no real reason, they'll have managed to ruin one of the best seasons of TV I can remember.
 
2014-03-04 10:28:53 PM  
Western Arkansas has many of the same traditions of New Orleans with many old school French trading posts near there and across the border in Oklahoma.

Roland, ok where someone had a wreck and was killed in The show is just across the border near a place called paw paw bottoms and Wilson rock, in between Roland and Muldrow, ok.

Those places have Native American, French/creole and slave voodoo traditions.

Would have made a great location, but I love the show anyway, great choice in location
 
2014-03-04 10:28:57 PM  

Cymbal: Bolo Jungle: The wife... her daddy... she's way deeper than you know... in on it at every level... doesn't know a better way...  Marty is and always has been a pawn...

It is an interesting theory. Anyone know if the actor who played Maggie's father is cast for the final episode?


It's a nonsense theory. If Maggie were a Carcosa sleeper agent why the eff would she be legitimately hurt when Marty screws around: she could have initiated divorce proceedings, taken the kids away legally, he was handing her a huge distraction. Instead she was, you know, destroyed emotionally. Not the kind of response you'd have if you've devoted your life to deceiving someone.
 
2014-03-04 10:36:53 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Western Arkansas has many of the same traditions of New Orleans with many old school French trading posts near there and across the border in Oklahoma.

Roland, ok where someone had a wreck and was killed in The show is just across the border near a place called paw paw bottoms and Wilson rock, in between Roland and Muldrow, ok.

Those places have Native American, French/creole and slave voodoo traditions.

Would have made a great location, but I love the show anyway, great choice in location


forgot to add all those places I mentioned are just over the border from fort smith, ar, gateway to Indian territory.

Pretty much the location for the movie true grit, actual location of the original movie.
 
2014-03-04 10:49:00 PM  

Lokasenna: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: So is the consensus that the finale is going to include a red room and a midget speaking backwards or your garden variety redneck Satanists? Just finished episode seven and I think it could go either way and I wouldn't mind.

I'm going to be cranky if it doesn't explain why references to Chambers, Bierce, and Lovecraft are so frequent. Not necessarily anything supernatural, but an insanity-inducing book or something is pretty much mandatory at this point - if "Yellow King" and "Carcosa" turn out to just be codenames for no real reason, they'll have managed to ruin one of the best seasons of TV I can remember.


That may just be an illusion to the LSD/crank mixture that drives all of these people insane. Guess we'll all find out next episode. However it ends though, I don't see it as anything but a series finale. To end honestly, it's going to be a rough landing.
 
2014-03-04 10:59:00 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Lokasenna: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: So is the consensus that the finale is going to include a red room and a midget speaking backwards or your garden variety redneck Satanists? Just finished episode seven and I think it could go either way and I wouldn't mind.

I'm going to be cranky if it doesn't explain why references to Chambers, Bierce, and Lovecraft are so frequent. Not necessarily anything supernatural, but an insanity-inducing book or something is pretty much mandatory at this point - if "Yellow King" and "Carcosa" turn out to just be codenames for no real reason, they'll have managed to ruin one of the best seasons of TV I can remember.

That may just be an illusion to the LSD/crank mixture that drives all of these people insane. Guess we'll all find out next episode. However it ends though, I don't see it as anything but a series finale. To end honestly, it's going to be a rough landing.


To borrow from another HBO show, if you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.

/The ending is straight-up, no witchy stuff.
 
2014-03-04 11:13:56 PM  

Evil High Priest: Fun fact: watching even a few minutes of this show will drive you insane.


You can watch the first episode. That's ok.
Just don't watch another.

I remember sci-fi did a Dagon (?) tv movie once that was just excellent (despite being terrible)... It's a genre that's I think has never had the attention of really good artists. If it takes off as a 'thing' that might be cool.
If nothing else, I hope True Detective continues season-to-season with loosely-affiliated separate stories into all new universes of crazy.

I'm hooked on this stuff, the source literature leaves you wanting a bit... but there is something to it that is hard to put my finger on. Occult horror is, if nothing else, unique and entertaining for a tv show.

I think the meat and potatoes is that there is this allure of the forbidden.... philosophically dark and nihilistic. It can challenge what you might consider to be rational.

A world where horror is enlightenment and doom is salvation is a place where rationality is a woefully inadequate tool with which to view the world presented.
Entertaining what many would consider to be unthinkable is required to survive and move forward through the story. Both for the characters and the viewer/reader.

/or as Rust says; "there's something you gonna have to look at, no other way around it"

 
2014-03-04 11:21:34 PM  
Maybe it'll be revealed that Rust's flashbacks are a result of the LSD/Meth concoctions.  The Bike gang correlation with the plot seems pretty coincidental to not be tied in to the finale.  It'll be funny to see how many red herrings the show has thrown out for inquisitive folks.
 
2014-03-04 11:42:06 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: That may just be an illusion to the LSD/crank mixture that drives all of these people insane. Guess we'll all find out next episode. However it ends though, I don't see it as anything but a series finale. To end honestly, it's going to be a rough landing.


Unlikely.  The original "King in Yellow" (the play in the book) is a language virus: everyone who reads it, who reads all of it, as one narrator survives by stopping at the end of act one, goes insane.

I strongly suspect that the cult which is doing these ritual killings and which has been for a very long time is driven by something similar.

It makes even more sense when you accept that religion in general and Christianity in particular is also a language virus, one which has been a major undercurrent in the show.

Why not viral Satanism as well?
 
2014-03-05 12:08:45 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Lokasenna: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: So is the consensus that the finale is going to include a red room and a midget speaking backwards or your garden variety redneck Satanists? Just finished episode seven and I think it could go either way and I wouldn't mind.

I'm going to be cranky if it doesn't explain why references to Chambers, Bierce, and Lovecraft are so frequent. Not necessarily anything supernatural, but an insanity-inducing book or something is pretty much mandatory at this point - if "Yellow King" and "Carcosa" turn out to just be codenames for no real reason, they'll have managed to ruin one of the best seasons of TV I can remember.

That may just be an illusion to the LSD/crank mixture that drives all of these people insane. Guess we'll all find out next episode. However it ends though, I don't see it as anything but a series finale. To end honestly, it's going to be a rough landing.


I don't see anything supernatural going on in the show. It's all LSD and creepy masks, and the testimony of people who didn't understand what they were seeing.
 
2014-03-05 12:10:09 AM  
Plebs plebbing up premium drama once again. You should all commit plebicide and be buried in Pleblo, Colorado.
 
2014-03-05 12:45:59 AM  

Mad_Radhu: tlchwi02: the way i understand it, the reason that area has such cultural relevance in TV right now isn't because of its history of voodoo, or race relations, or the occult... its because its cheap to film there. TD wasn't even originally set there. they retooled the setting and script when they decided to shoot there for financial reasons.

That's always the way film and television work, though. You run into a budgetary limit or some other problem and often it leads to changes that improve the final product. For example, when the makers of Back to the Future decided a time machine made out of a fridge would be a bad idea because kids might try to emulate it and hurt themselves, the iconic DeLorean was born. I feel like this was a similar thing, where it was borne out of budget concerns, but in the end it has made the show better because Louisiana just has a weird creepy vibe that Arkansas doesn't.


This is why the new star wars movies were terrible.  There was no one/thing to say no to Lucas. Half the shiat we love from the original trilogy were work arounds or cheap tricks.
 
2014-03-05 03:30:13 AM  

robertus: To borrow from another HBO show, if you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.

/The ending is straight-up, no witchy stuff.


And you know this how?
 
2014-03-05 08:29:18 AM  

Marmilman: robertus: To borrow from another HBO show, if you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.

/The ending is straight-up, no witchy stuff.

And you know this how?


Not saying but he's right. Folks fapping furiously over hundred year old poems are going to be left with blue balls when they find out that it was all just dressing for a Murder She Wrote plot.
 
2014-03-05 08:44:31 AM  
My only two comments about episode 7:

1 - The sheriff was clearly already suspicious after the round of golf. Why would he even get on that boat?

2 - At the end, lawnmower man is cutting in a clockwise direction, throwing his clippings onto the uncut grass. Anyone who cuts grass as much as he does knows you can't do that.
 
2014-03-05 09:00:28 AM  

Crewmannumber6: My only two comments about episode 7:

1 - The sheriff was clearly already suspicious after the round of golf. Why would he even get on that boat?

2 - At the end, lawnmower man is cutting in a clockwise direction, throwing his clippings onto the uncut grass. Anyone who cuts grass as much as he does knows you can't do that.


Maybe lawnmower man is distracted thinking about farking little kids.
 
2014-03-05 09:11:26 AM  
Maggie gave Audrey to the Yellow King.

she says nothing about the dolls

and her only concern about the drawings is how they make other people feel. she is completely dizmissive when Martyyasks how she would know about such things. she says "girls have to". Maggie gave Audrey to the Yellow King.
 
2014-03-05 09:17:45 AM  

Crewmannumber6: My only two comments about episode 7:

1 - The sheriff was clearly already suspicious after the round of golf. Why would he even get on that boat?

2 - At the end, lawnmower man is cutting in a clockwise direction, throwing his clippings onto the uncut grass. Anyone who cuts grass as much as he does knows you can't do that.


1.  Police are remarkably self-confident.  They pretty much have to be.  One time I tried to warn a cop about chasing a guy into these woods across the street from my house by himself.  It was night and the woods were full of holes from dried up springs, poison ivy, a few cottonmouths, and a patch of waist deep mud (quicksand in my mind).  He looks at me, smirks, says "I'm po-leese" and sprints on in there.  Damn, what a shiatty job.

2.  You can do it for a round or two.  Maybe he needs to it that way for a round or two to get the shape right.  Granted, a lawn like that is going to be pretty straightup, but maybe the wings are throwing off the symmetry.

/mowed a lot of lawns too
 
2014-03-05 09:27:23 AM  

aiiee: Maggie gave Audrey to the Yellow King.

she says nothing about the dolls

and her only concern about the drawings is how they make other people feel. she is completely dizmissive when Martyyasks how she would know about such things. she says "girls have to". Maggie gave Audrey to the Yellow King.


well... fark

I was wondering if those scenes were going to amount to anything.

I think you're wrong, and that they only serve to show the underlying darkness and evil inherit to society... but an interesting theory. Mad props if it pans out.

Crewmannumber6: My only two comments about episode 7:

1 - The sheriff was clearly already suspicious after the round of golf. Why would he even get on that boat?

2 - At the end, lawnmower man is cutting in a clockwise direction, throwing his clippings onto the uncut grass. Anyone who cuts grass as much as he does knows you can't do that.


When you're guilty, you don't just walk away from something like that without knowing how much the detective knows. Keep friends close, enemies closer. Besides, your the Sheriff in a state where that carries incredible power, what can retired 'ol private dick Woody Harrelson do to you?

Remember, one of the most powerful politicians in the state was killed over just the possibility of being a liability to the cult. He doesn't just want to know what Woody knows, he NEEDS to.

2- I mow grass like that all the time. usually a few passes then one with the bagger (or manually just rake the clippings into a barrow). You can also do a poor man's mulching mower by doing two passes that way then one the other to scatter the mulched up clippings
 
2014-03-05 09:27:46 AM  

aiiee: Maggie gave Audrey to the Yellow King.

she says nothing about the dolls

and her only concern about the drawings is how they make other people feel. she is completely dizmissive when Martyyasks how she would know about such things. she says "girls have to". Maggie gave Audrey to the Yellow King.


or more likely Maggie couldn't stop Audrey's abuse in time, but did rescue her, hence the "it's only you and me now". comment. Maggie is a smooth liar. and she's hiding Audrey's abuse
 
2014-03-05 09:58:38 AM  
Regarding the grass, I don't think the creators cared about the proper way to mow in that scene. It looked like a purely symbolic scene about a creepy cult member cutting a spiral next to a cemetery, since the whole show is about creepy cult members putting spirals onto dead bodies.
 
2014-03-05 11:25:06 AM  
I want to know how many details did Rust and Marty give Charlie in prison? On thier second visit - he asked if someone got 'Antlered up' - but I didn't see where they related that detail.... could be something - most likely nothing
 
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