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2014-03-04 04:34:35 PM  
Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-04 04:37:41 PM  
Revoke the pension of any administrator who stands up for this action, second degree zero tolerance.
 
2014-03-04 04:40:20 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Your kid was warned


And 10 year olds are known for their ability to model their behavior to conform to arbitrary adult standards.  That's why they make such good witnesses in a court of law.

Public schools are completely and utterly retarded, and zero tolerance is just the icing on the two neuron cake.
 
2014-03-04 04:40:25 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.


They can send out notes saying "any and all child-like behavior from children will not be tolerated," but people will probably still be annoyed when kids kicked out of school for it.
 
2014-03-04 04:41:10 PM  
I accidentally a word.
 
2014-03-04 04:43:45 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: No sympathy.


Fingers, man. A 10 year old kid with fingers.

Your scorn is woefully misplaced.
 
2014-03-04 04:57:53 PM  
Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.
 
2014-03-04 05:01:52 PM  
Did you read a different story than the rest of us? None of your post has anything to do with the linked story.
 
2014-03-04 05:06:21 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.


When is the last time you talked to a ten year old child?
 
2014-03-04 05:28:18 PM  
I wonder how many different levels of "look alike firearms" there are. This was a level 2. Would a pop tart gun be a lower level or higher? If the kid had said his fingers had a suppressor would it involve federal time? What if he had said "boom" more than once? Is it a fully automatic level 41 look alike?
 
wee
2014-03-04 05:30:40 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: No sympathy.


The kid wasn't carving soap and painting with shoe polish to escape solitary, he was being a 10 year old boy...
 
2014-03-04 06:18:08 PM  

Relatively Obscure: They can send out notes saying "any and all child-like behavior from children will not be tolerated," but people will probably still be annoyed when kids kicked out of school for it.


I don't think I want to know a six-year-old who isn't a dreamer, or a sillyheart. And I sure don't want to know one who takes their student career seriously. I don't have a college degree. I don't even have a job. But I know a good kid when I see one. Because they're ALL good kids, until dried-out, brain-dead skags like you drag them down and convince them they're no good. You so much as scowl at my niece, or any other kid in this school, and I hear about it, and I'm coming looking for you!

Take this quarter, go downtown, and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face! Good day to you, madam.
 
2014-03-04 06:18:14 PM  

luniz5monody: I wonder how many different levels of "look alike firearms" there are. This was a level 2. Would a pop tart gun be a lower level or higher? If the kid had said his fingers had a suppressor would it involve federal time? What if he had said "boom" more than once? Is it a fully automatic level 41 look alike?


Yea, I wanna know this too. Is a lower number good or bad? Is a Level 1 imagining a gun, or bringing an airsoft rifle shaped exactly like a real gun?

WHAR CHART WHAR?!
 
2014-03-04 06:31:51 PM  
Would he still be in trouble if the thumb wasn't raised? How about if he mimicked shooting an arrow? Or throwing a grenade? If he said squirt instead of boom would he be ok? Or would that be a level2 meta offense?
 
2014-03-04 06:33:17 PM  

EvilEgg: Would he still be in trouble if the thumb wasn't raised?


Of course not. That means the hammer is forward and the gun can't fire. It's totally safe at that point.
 
2014-03-04 06:35:48 PM  
He should have just said the "gun" only shot poems in many languages about differently-abled multicultural students working together as one to foster togetherness and caring...poems that got you in the FACE and you're DEAD Bryden, so THERE!
 
2014-03-04 06:36:22 PM  

scottydoesntknow: EvilEgg: Would he still be in trouble if the thumb wasn't raised?

Of course not. That means the hammer is forward and the gun can't fire. It's totally safe at that point.


What if he had a Double action only finger? Oh god....we narrowly avoided a tragedy.
 
2014-03-04 06:40:03 PM  
 
2014-03-04 06:41:13 PM  

wee: Sin_City_Superhero: No sympathy.

The kid wasn't carving soap and painting with shoe polish to escape solitary, he was being a 10 year old boy...


It's better if kids learn to mindlessly obey senseless rules now, and then they'll be good citizens and not question authority later on in life. Obviously this boy is an incipient terrorist and the next step would have been coming to school with a fully automatic Glock AR-97 assault revolver, and the teachers need to nip that in the bud.
 
2014-03-04 06:41:59 PM  
What if a kid simulated pushing a button that he claimed was setting off a nuclear bomb? Off to Gitmo?
 
2014-03-04 06:44:07 PM  

GORDON: What if a kid simulated pushing a button that he claimed was setting off a nuclear bomb? Off to Gitmo?


I seem to recall a case last year where a principal was suspending kids for saying the word "moist", so I guess anything is possible.
 
2014-03-04 06:44:44 PM  

ZAZ: Revoke the pension of any administrator who stands up for this action, second degree zero tolerance.


I won't stand for this type of leniency.
 
2014-03-04 06:44:50 PM  

ZAZ: Revoke the pension of any administrator who stands up for this action, second degree zero tolerance.


It's easier than trying to stop a kid with a real gun.
 
2014-03-04 06:45:01 PM  
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I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 
2014-03-04 06:45:05 PM  

blindpreacher: You can thank the feminization of our school system for this.


There are plenty of things conservatives do that are outright stupid. This is one for the libs, bless their hearts.
 
2014-03-04 06:45:16 PM  
If forming your fingers into an "L" is a "level 2 look alike firearm", what is a "level 1 look alike firearm"?  Is that when you see a gun in the wallpaper, or in your peanut butter, instead of seeing jesus like you normally do?
 
2014-03-04 06:48:30 PM  

Speef: If forming your fingers into an "L" is a "level 2 look alike firearm", what is a "level 1 look alike firearm"?  Is that when you see a gun in the wallpaper, or in your peanut butter, instead of seeing jesus like you normally do?


It depends if the levels go up (like the terror alert) or down (like DefCon).
 
2014-03-04 06:49:37 PM  
I have one - and only one - thing to say in response to this story.

PEW, PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW!
 
2014-03-04 06:50:01 PM  
2nd Degree Genital Obscenity Infraction for any administrator acting like a dick.
 
2014-03-04 06:50:21 PM  
It's probably a good thing I'm not in school anymore; we'd play football, cowboys and Indians and smear the queer all recess. We would have all been suspended for 3rd level violence; 4th level racism and 5th level hate crimes.


/ also 2 degree witness of buffalo sex

// there was a herd of buffalo in the field next door
 
2014-03-04 06:51:02 PM  
i306.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-04 06:51:21 PM  

Speef: If forming your fingers into an "L" is a "level 2 look alike firearm", what is a "level 1 look alike firearm"?  Is that when you see a gun in the wallpaper, or in your peanut butter, instead of seeing jesus like you normally do?


He had an upgraded finger gun.
 
2014-03-04 06:52:30 PM  

blindpreacher: You can thank the feminization of our school system for this.


We're off to a rapid start for "dumbest thing in the thread."
 
2014-03-04 06:53:57 PM  
Shiat like this is why kids are so farked up these days. Educators practicing absolute stupidity.
 
2014-03-04 06:54:59 PM  
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2014-03-04 06:55:15 PM  

LasersHurt: blindpreacher: You can thank the feminization of our school system for this.

We're off to a rapid start for "dumbest thing in the thread."


Hard to beat what's in the first one.
 
2014-03-04 06:55:25 PM  
i'm actually surprised and satisfied to see anyone abide a zero tolerance policy.

we get so much halfassedness around here.
 
2014-03-04 06:55:56 PM  

ZAZ: Revoke the pension of any administrator who stands up for this action, second degree zero tolerance.


Geez, that would cause an outbreak of common sense among these cretins. Then where would we be?
 
2014-03-04 06:55:59 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.


No. The school's in the wrong here.

The Nazis had very good beauracracy. So did Mao and Stalin. None of them were in the right.
 
2014-03-04 06:56:45 PM  
Its Columbus City, they should be thankful it was a pretend gun and not a real one.....
 
2014-03-04 06:56:46 PM  
I think it's time for all of America to admit that the Won't Somebody Think of the Children zero tolerance policies in school are actually bad ideas.  I know it would mean that a few people will have to admit they were wrong but we're all adult here.
 
2014-03-04 06:59:01 PM  
Welcome to Libtard Land.

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2014-03-04 06:59:05 PM  
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2014-03-04 07:00:06 PM  
I'm sure parents had nothing to do with the adoption of this particular policy. It's all just dumb administrators.
 
2014-03-04 07:00:30 PM  
I can't imagine the horror that is Columbine with finger guns...

We must arm all school staff with finger guns. If a teacher points a finger gun at you and discharges it with a yelled, "BANG!", you WILL clench your "wound" and play dead or ELSE!

Next up: theater patrons.
 
2014-03-04 07:00:47 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.


Three day suspension sounds excessive for the triviality of the offense, even with warning. The school should have tried making him stay in at recess for a week or something first.
 
2014-03-04 07:00:51 PM  
I hope this was meant to punish the parents because a three day suspension for a finger gun is going to mean zilch to a ten year old.
 
2014-03-04 07:01:14 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.


I don't know what kind of school you went to but the punishment for what you described above where I went to school might have been a trip to the principal's office and a call to your parents.  It certainly wasn't a three day suspension.
 
2014-03-04 07:01:18 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.

When is the last time you talked to a ten year old child?


A 10 year old talking to a 10 year old... what is the hopeful outcome?
 
2014-03-04 07:01:26 PM  
Look, if school administrators don't harshly punish and severely humiliate these kids, they might develop issues growing up.
 
2014-03-04 07:01:28 PM  
Give those little free willed farkers an early education in strict authoritarianism, that will work.

Next offense, JAIL!
 
2014-03-04 07:01:47 PM  
So zero tolerance here is good.

Zero tolerance for the chick who fired a "warning shot" at her ex is bad.

I LOVE hypocrisy.
 
2014-03-04 07:01:57 PM  

Dadoody: Welcome to Libtard Land.

[images.sodahead.com image 480x480]



an informed conservative!!! LOL!

you mean a hi-info voter don't you, a Fox News viewer, a Rushbot.

/LOL
 
2014-03-04 07:02:35 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.


Fark that noise plain and simple. If you throw a bunch of arbitrary rules at a child they will break them. If the rules are borderline retarted the child will break them. 10 year olds have been making play weapons since forever. If you want to micro manage a childs behavior you can try all you want, and you will fail miserably at it

I mean you can try to put a square peg into a round hole if you want. It might even work to. But the peg and the hole will be damaged for life.

did the child hurt themselves or someone else? Did they create a large distraction or disruption to class? Would anybody have even known about it if you did not make a stink about it?

if no then shut up and get back to teaching class.
 
2014-03-04 07:02:39 PM  

meanmutton: I don't know what kind of school you went to but the punishment for what you described above where I went to school might have been a trip to the principal's office and a call to your parents. It certainly wasn't a three day suspension.


This.
 
2014-03-04 07:03:09 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.

When is the last time you talked to a ten year old child?


Obeying the new rule doesn't seem to be much of a problem for all the other ten year olds now does it? Don't you think its possible just maybe the kid got punished not because of the gesture but because there is a rule and this spoiled little shiat decided to ignore it when none of the other children did. My guess is dear dad saw the notice wadded it up and told the kid he could ignore the rule because freedom and stuff. I super duper double dog dare any of you to try and tell me right wing dipshiats never hide behind the children.

/responsible gun owner before you even start that crap derps. In my house guns were deadly serious business. If I had pretended to shoot someone even with my finger the teacher wouldn't have be the one punishing me.

//raised by Vietnam vet
 
2014-03-04 07:03:33 PM  
At least it wasn't an Assault Pop Tart
www.glennbeck.com
 
2014-03-04 07:03:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: EvilEgg: Would he still be in trouble if the thumb wasn't raised?

Of course not. That means the hammer is forward and the gun can't fire. It's totally safe at that point.


Rule 1) A weapon is always loaded.
 
2014-03-04 07:04:06 PM  

scottydoesntknow: EvilEgg: Would he still be in trouble if the thumb wasn't raised?

Of course not. That means the hammer is forward and the gun can't fire. It's totally safe at that point.


There was this innovation something like 160 years ago called "double action".  Seems to me, that would be a stronger punishment since the kid is obviously using a more advanced firearm.
 
2014-03-04 07:04:18 PM  
The pussification continues. But wait "think of the children" and how we are protecting them. What a load of horse crap. How in God's name is this suspension supposed to show any intelligence on the behalf of the school system.

It makes me wonder where have all the wise men gone? It sure seems that the school boards are run by a bunch of idiots. I really wonder what effect these stupid rules will have on the children. Rules that even a 5 year old thinks are stupid should really been dropped.
 
2014-03-04 07:05:34 PM  
He should have held out his palm and said 'here's my concealed carry permit'.
 
2014-03-04 07:05:39 PM  
"How much of a threat can it really be for a 10-year-old to hold up his fingers?" said a frustrated Entingh. "I would like for somebody to explain this to me because apparently I don't get it. This is way over the boundary. A teacher could have talked to him and sat him down, given him detention, but a three days suspension?"

This is what happens when extremism becomes normalised. Giving him a stern lecture or a detention is not a just, fair or rational response yet that is taken as some sort of moderate or sane position simply for being less extreme.


What would be sane would be for this to have been a complete non-issue and for no one to have batted an eye at a child making a gun shape with his fingers and saying "bang."
 
2014-03-04 07:06:35 PM  
The only solution is to have a "Point your fingers like a gun day". If everyone did it then what are they going to do?
 
2014-03-04 07:07:50 PM  

blanchae: The pussification continues. But wait "think of the children" and how we are protecting them. What a load of horse crap. How in God's name is this suspension supposed to show any intelligence on the behalf of the school system.

It makes me wonder where have all the wise men gone? It sure seems that the school boards are run by a bunch of idiots. I really wonder what effect these stupid rules will have on the children. Rules that even a 5 year old thinks are stupid should really been dropped.


I'm glad you brought that up.

It's backseat living (i mean making excuses for behavior that is contrary to the lifestyle you've chosen) that keeps most Christians Christian. My goodness, if they actually had to follow the rules laid down by their savior creator, they wouldn't be religious.  It's nice to have the ability to cherry pick what you want to agree with/follow/adhere to rather than actually be held accountable for your beliefs.

/not directed at you, just glad you brought it up.
 
2014-03-04 07:08:22 PM  
Keep shiatting our pants, America. you are the land of the free (unless you fly) and the home of the brave (unless you go to school, vote, walk drive, or exist) because the "Terrorists" have won.
They beat you.

....However matters may go in Bawstin or with the (insert any) Government or with another (Insert any) Government, we in this iand and in the American Empire will never lose our sense of comradeship with the French people. If we are now called upon to endure what they have suffered we shall emulate their "courage", and if final victory rewards our toils they shall share the gains, aye. And freedom shall be restored to all. We abate nothing of our just demands-Czechs, Poles, Norwegians, Dutch, Belgians, all who have joined their causes to our own shall be restored.
What
But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted spying. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves, that if the American Empire and its Constitution last for a thousand years, men will still say,  This was their finest hour.

Pussies.
 
2014-03-04 07:09:04 PM  

ScaryBottles: Obeying the new rule doesn't seem to be much of a problem for all the other ten year olds now does it? Don't you think its possible just maybe the kid got punished not because of the gesture but because there is a rule and this spoiled little shiat decided to ignore it when none of the other children did.


I see that as a problem with the other 10 year olds.  Why weren't they breaking this stupid rule?

// Spent a lot of time breaking stupid rules as a kid.
// Today I'd probably be thrown out of school and put on a terrorist watch list.
 
2014-03-04 07:09:26 PM  
The issue is less the rule or the school's right to enforce it than the excessive character of the punishment for such a petty offense.


Things that should have come well before a 3 day suspension, not necessarily in preferred order:

1) a note to the parents.

2) a trip to the principal's office, and a phone call to the parents.

3) staying inside at recess

4) detention

5) in school suspension

6) one day suspension

I'm not saying the school should have been obliged to do all of these things before a 3 day suspension. Just some of them. Maybe only one or two.
 
2014-03-04 07:09:31 PM  

MassAsster: [i306.photobucket.com image 649x430]


THAT is fantastic
 
2014-03-04 07:09:35 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.


"Gun-related behavior". There was no gun.
 
2014-03-04 07:11:02 PM  

doglover: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

No. The school's in the wrong here.

The Nazis had very good beauracracy. So did Mao and Stalin. None of them were in the right.


When you love a dog, you beat it into submission if you have to. White Fang was a much better dog after Master punched him in his stupid dog face a bunch of times. If the kid was warned and did it anyway, no sympathy. Note the appropriate administrative action didn't include a beating (much to my dismay). Anyone happen to catch the kid's name? Was it Corky? Was it in the article?
 
2014-03-04 07:11:10 PM  
I read stuff like this and wish I had a kid to torture teachers through.

I'm sure sending report cards back to teachers scoring them on the low bar of public education could be fun. "Your teaching a fourth grade class at a third grade level. You can do better, I know you have it in you!"

/kid gets brownies for provoking a teacher to lose temper
 
2014-03-04 07:11:14 PM  

ScaryBottles: Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.

When is the last time you talked to a ten year old child?

Obeying the new rule doesn't seem to be much of a problem for all the other ten year olds now does it? Don't you think its possible just maybe the kid got punished not because of the gesture but because there is a rule and this spoiled little shiat decided to ignore it when none of the other children did. My guess is dear dad saw the notice wadded it up and told the kid he could ignore the rule because freedom and stuff. I super duper double dog dare any of you to try and tell me right wing dipshiats never hide behind the children.

/responsible gun owner before you even start that crap derps. In my house guns were deadly serious business. If I had pretended to shoot someone even with my finger the teacher wouldn't have be the one punishing me.

//raised by Vietnam vet


Do you even know what a kid is?

A spoiled shiat who doesn't follow the rules is in EVERY classroom. It's always a boy. He always does the opposite of what he's told. If he's taken down to the office, ten minutes later his buddy steps in to fill the role.

If we punished every kid who delibrately did what you told him not to with three day's suspention there'd be a national emergency declared as 40% of all parents had to take three days off work.
 
2014-03-04 07:12:07 PM  
I'm starting to wonder if all you parents were present at the school board meeting that covered this zero tolerance policy?
 
2014-03-04 07:12:16 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.

When is the last time you talked to a ten year old child?


He's not allowed to anymore,  there was some... unpleasantness,  now lets never speak of this again.
 
2014-03-04 07:13:18 PM  

fredklein: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

"Gun-related behavior". There was no gun.


So you're saying his behavior bore no relationship whatsoever to guns?
 
2014-03-04 07:13:41 PM  

Baz744: The issue is less the rule or the school's right to enforce it than the excessive character of the punishment for such a petty offense.


Things that should have come well before a 3 day suspension, not necessarily in preferred order:

1) a note to the parents.

2) a trip to the principal's office, and a phone call to the parents.

3) staying inside at recess

4) detention

5) in school suspension

6) one day suspension

I'm not saying the school should have been obliged to do all of these things before a 3 day suspension. Just some of them. Maybe only one or two.


Baz744?  That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection to this policy.

Overruled.
 
2014-03-04 07:14:04 PM  
More efforts to 'pussify' American children to be 'in touch with their feelings' and not stand up for themselves from bullys and gender ignorant teachers.

BOYS PLAY VIOLENT GAMES, GIRLS DO TOO AT TIMES!

But it has been proven time and again, get kids together and boys will act like boys and play violent themed games, cowboys and indians, war, cops and robbers, so your zero tollerance program is getting kids ready to be arrested and hauled to jail for playing like a kid!

We need to stomp on the school boards, but parents are cowed by the TEACHER FEAR they carry from when they were kids and not willing to stand up to them...
 
2014-03-04 07:14:51 PM  
10 yr olds are old enough to know what "knock that shiat off" means and when it is appropriate to do so.
 
2014-03-04 07:14:57 PM  

MJMaloney187: doglover: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

No. The school's in the wrong here.

The Nazis had very good beauracracy. So did Mao and Stalin. None of them were in the right.

When you love a dog, you beat it into submission if you have to. White Fang was a much better dog after Master punched him in his stupid dog face a bunch of times. If the kid was warned and did it anyway, no sympathy. Note the appropriate administrative action didn't include a beating (much to my dismay). Anyone happen to catch the kid's name? Was it Corky? Was it in the article?


White Fang was a work of fiction by the 19th century's version of Michal Bay. You never beat dogs. Not unless they're attack you and you're armed only with a bludgeon.
 
2014-03-04 07:15:09 PM  

lifeboat: Baz744? That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection to this policy.

Overruled.


I object and except, for the record, your honor. : )
 
2014-03-04 07:15:21 PM  
You see Meg, finger banging is just fine for a girl your age. Whaddya say we give it a try right now.

www.laughspin.com
 
2014-03-04 07:17:59 PM  

Baz744: So you're saying his behavior bore no relationship whatsoever to guns?


No more than my back yard swing set was related to time travel.
 
2014-03-04 07:18:44 PM  
In the Columbus City Schools District, where Nathan goes to school, 12 students were expelled because of incidents in the "firearm look-a-likes" category, while 69 students were suspended. Contrast that with categories such as harassment and intimidation, in which zero students were expelled, though 1527 were suspended district-wide.

Note: Actual harrassment and actual intimidation/bullying resulted in zero expulsions, while a dozen kids were expelled for "firearm lookalikes".

It's apparently better to harass and bully other children than to point some fingers at someone.
 
2014-03-04 07:19:34 PM  
My wife's comment is how about a 3 day in school suspension instead, definitely a punishment (because hey, you still have to go to school instead of being on the Xbox) and a way to be sure they actually do some school work.  I doubt most kids with 2 brain cells watching this would mess around in the future.  That said the over-reaction to finger guns is a bit disturbing, but I guess this is where we are now.
 
2014-03-04 07:19:36 PM  
It's almost as if zero tolerance policies are stupid or something, especially when applied to young children.
 
2014-03-04 07:20:11 PM  

ScaryBottles: Obeying the new rule doesn't seem to be much of a problem for all the other ten year olds now does it?


I have no idea.  I didn't see any of the childrens behavior.  I bet you didn't either.  The teacher was the only witness, if we're to believe them.

But it doesn't change the fact that zero tolerance policies are completely and utterly retarded.
 
2014-03-04 07:24:08 PM  

gadian: 10 yr olds are old enough to know what "knock that shiat off" means and when it is appropriate to do so.


It's too bad there were no teachers around to teach this child how to behave.

Oh, wait, this WAS a teacher.

A teacher that sucks ass and isn't afraid to admit it.  A teacher that can't even teach a 10 year old to "knock it off", as you put it.

Sounds like this teacher has failed completely at their job and should be fired.
 
2014-03-04 07:24:26 PM  

blanchae: The pussification continues. But wait "think of the children" and how we are protecting them. What a load of horse crap. How in God's name is this suspension supposed to show any intelligence on the behalf of the school system.

It makes me wonder where have all the wise men gone? It sure seems that the school boards are run by a bunch of idiots. I really wonder what effect these stupid rules will have on the children. Rules that even a 5 year old thinks are stupid should really been dropped.


all the wise men got tired of the retards and retired. thus the panzie school state continues.
 
2014-03-04 07:25:27 PM  

BMFPitt: Baz744: So you're saying his behavior bore no relationship whatsoever to guns?

No more than my back yard swing set was related to time travel.


There's a fancy Latin name for that kind of fallacy.

The question isn't what relationship fingers have with guns, nor what relationship swingsets have with time travel. The question is what relationship the behavior of pretending your fingers are a gun has with guns, or what relationship pretending your swingset is a time machine has with time travel.
 
2014-03-04 07:25:29 PM  
I wonder what their rules are regarding different levels of simulated sex.
 
2014-03-04 07:25:36 PM  
They have levels for this shiat now?

What the fark is happening to this country?
 
2014-03-04 07:26:34 PM  
I was a teenager during the Columbine shootings.  Sometime during the year after it happened, I was walking down the hallway and saw a teacher of mine.  I pointed my fingers at him like a gun and said "bang".  You know what he did?

Pointed his fingers and shot me back.

That's it.

I'm sure he could have gotten me suspended if he wanted to, but he's not an idiot.  He was a good teacher who knew I was screwing around so he played along.
 
2014-03-04 07:28:28 PM  
so let me see if I have this right:  the USA cracks down on toy guns but wants everyone packing as an adult?

make up your mind, 'merica
 
2014-03-04 07:29:34 PM  

Baz744: fredklein: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

"Gun-related behavior". There was no gun.

So you're saying his behavior bore no relationship whatsoever to guns?


When I was little, I had a herd of plastic horses. They were horse-shaped. However, in a pinch we would take them and hold them by the tail or legs and use them as guns. (Often blasters, because Star Wars)

Did that behavior bear any relationship to guns?

He was a kid being a kid and going bang. That's not "gun-related behavior", that's kid-related behavior. Was he beating his classmates, or threatening them with actual physical harm? Was he yelling and screaming Bang! I'm going to kill all of you when I go home and get my dad's gun! Or did he just make an "L" shape with his fingers and say Bang?

All this business about how he needed a lecture, or a stern talking to, or counseling to see why he was "acting out" are also missing the mark. Kids play. Or, at least, they used to. Now any kind of play that consists of anything beyond gaping at the wall is "acting out" and in need of therapy. I find that alarming, to say the least.
 
2014-03-04 07:29:44 PM  

Calmamity: Fingers, man. A 10 year old kid with fingers.



Imagine if had he mimed tossing a grenade!!  He'd be on trial as an enemy combatant, sitting in some black hole at Gitmo!!!
 
2014-03-04 07:30:00 PM  
just make sure you get a REAL gun as soon as legally possible, it's the patriotic thing to do.
 
2014-03-04 07:30:33 PM  
I'd tell my kid..."Wrong finger, kid.  It's the next finger, and point it at your principal".

blog.sportscolumn.com

That's my boy!
 
2014-03-04 07:31:06 PM  
i.imgflip.com
 
2014-03-04 07:31:23 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Your kid was warned

And 10 year olds are known for their ability to model their behavior to conform to arbitrary adult standards.  That's why they make such good witnesses in a court of law.

Public schools are completely and utterly retarded, and zero tolerance is just the icing on the two neuron cake.


THIS!

Look for the union label!
 
2014-03-04 07:31:24 PM  
The pants-wetters have won. Commence with full retardation of the nation.
 
2014-03-04 07:31:41 PM  

scottydoesntknow: EvilEgg: Would he still be in trouble if the thumb wasn't raised?

Of course not. That means the hammer is forward and the gun can't fire. It's totally safe at that point.



Unless his hand is DAO.
 
2014-03-04 07:32:45 PM  
This is what you get when libtards run the schools.
 
2014-03-04 07:32:57 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: ScaryBottles: Obeying the new rule doesn't seem to be much of a problem for all the other ten year olds now does it?

I have no idea.  I didn't see any of the childrens behavior.  I bet you didn't either.  The teacher was the only witness, if we're to believe them.

But it doesn't change the fact that zero tolerance policies are completely and utterly retarded.


There's always one guy in these threads going "B... but what about muh RULLLES?"
 
2014-03-04 07:33:09 PM  
one snowflake melts & it's the end of the world here on FARK :(
 
2014-03-04 07:33:48 PM  

indy_kid: Calmamity: Fingers, man. A 10 year old kid with fingers.


Imagine if had he mimed tossing a grenade!!  He'd be on trial as an enemy combatant, sitting in some black hole at Gitmo!!!


But if he simulated processing uranium in a hexafluoride centrifuge he'd win the farking science fair and get a scholarship
 
2014-03-04 07:34:40 PM  

stirfrybry: Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Your kid was warned

And 10 year olds are known for their ability to model their behavior to conform to arbitrary adult standards.  That's why they make such good witnesses in a court of law.

Public schools are completely and utterly retarded, and zero tolerance is just the icing on the two neuron cake.

THIS!

Look for the union label!


Don't blame the unions for this one. This is solely the fault of helicopter parents and braindead administrators who push this type of bullshiat.
 
2014-03-04 07:36:07 PM  
30 years ago, this would have been nothing.

30 years ago, their was no issue with school shootings.

Yeah, zero tolerance totally works.
 
2014-03-04 07:36:24 PM  
I have a ten-year-old boy in fifth grade. If we got a warning letter in January (don't make gun fingers) and he did what is described in the article (hold gun-like fingers against another student's head) , we'd do the following:

1) His mother and I would dutifully attend the principal's meeting,
2) There, we'd be attentive, polite, nod and listen but ask no questions,
3) Once back home, we'd pack for a three-day ski holiday and enjoy life.

Bottom line:  He should've followed the rules.  Now he understands that his actions have consequences, especially that he has a ton of makeup work on his plate.  And we'd get more snowboarding time on the slopes.  Win-win.

Life's too short. Learn the lesson, move on.
 
2014-03-04 07:36:56 PM  

Baz744: The question isn't what relationship fingers have with guns, nor what relationship swingsets have with time travel. The question is what relationship the behavior of pretending your fingers are a gun has with guns, or what relationship pretending your swingset is a time machine has with time travel.


The answer to all of those is "none".
 
2014-03-04 07:37:44 PM  

rkiller1: Learn the lesson


lessen?
 
2014-03-04 07:40:11 PM  

Nick Nostril: The pants-wetters have won. Commence with full retardation of the nation.


Commence?  It commenced long ago,  I'd say it's well on it's way to being complete.
 
2014-03-04 07:40:38 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-04 07:42:35 PM  

Dadoody: Welcome to Libtard Land.


on my gayfarkchan? it's more likely than you think...

we need to ban children's fingers

and don't even get me started on deaf students who sign the letter L
 
2014-03-04 07:43:41 PM  
Should have used his middle finger.
 
2014-03-04 07:46:02 PM  

kortex: This is what you get when libtards run the schools.


well rest assured, because there's a libtard fighting to have the Ohio zero tolerance law reversed.

http://wosu.org/2012/news/2013/08/19/bill-would-ban-zero-tolerance-p ol icies-in-ohio-schools/
 
2014-03-04 07:46:59 PM  

ZAZ: Revoke the pension of any administrator who stands up for this action, second degree zero tolerance.


Pretty much this.

http://spiritplumber.deviantart.com/art/Zero-Tolerance-427102917  Here, I wrote you a story.
 
2014-03-04 07:48:22 PM  

rkiller1: Life's too short. Learn the lesson, move on.


No doubt the boy learned the lesson, just not the one they were trying to teach.

They hoped to teach that anything about guns or play-acting violence is bad.  They taught the lesson that adults are irrational idiots but you had better go along to get along and stop rocking the boat, even if the rules are nonsensical.  What good little subjects they are indoctrinating.
 
2014-03-04 07:48:54 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Did that behavior bear any relationship to guns?


Yes.

relation: an aspect or quality (as resemblance) that connects two or more things or parts as being or belonging or working together or as being of the same kind

aspect: appearance to the eye or mind

Pretending toy plastic horses are guns resembles in the mind's eye guns; in their appearance to the mind's eye, they are of the same kind. They are therefore related to each other.

He was a kid being a kid and going bang.

The only issue I've argued in this subthread is whether or not the boy's behavior was "gun related" as the words are used in ordinary English. I believe some punishment was called for. I believe this punishment was excessive.
 
2014-03-04 07:50:50 PM  

Baz744: fredklein: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

"Gun-related behavior". There was no gun.

So you're saying his behavior bore no relationship whatsoever to guns?


To actual guns? Yes, that's what I'm saying.
 
2014-03-04 07:51:26 PM  

I drunk what: and don't even get me started on deaf students who sign the letter L


At my kid's school the Deaf boy Greg got asked to stop spelling his name in ASL because it makes a gun shape.  No shiat.
 
2014-03-04 07:53:33 PM  

ko_kyi: rkiller1: Life's too short. Learn the lesson, move on.

No doubt the boy learned the lesson, just not the one they were trying to teach.

They hoped to teach that anything about guns or play-acting violence is bad.  They taught the lesson that adults are irrational idiots but you had better go along to get along and stop rocking the boat, even if the rules are nonsensical.  What good little subjects they are indoctrinating.


With some refinement (not all adults are idiots, for example) we agree.  On the way up to the ski slopes, we'd discuss this point to make sure he understood that some adults are gonna have an illogical reaction to playful behavior.

All actions involve risk.
 
SH
2014-03-04 07:53:57 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.


^^^^^ Whatta dick.
 
2014-03-04 07:54:49 PM  
Toy guns. This is one of those things about which I think almost all Americans are crazy and not just the usual 48%.
 
2014-03-04 07:58:01 PM  
OMG!!!  A level 2, the horror.  Thank fully the administrators managed to stop this kid in his tracks before he developed Level 3 finger gun technology.  I'm having an attack of the vapour just at the thought.
 
2014-03-04 07:58:34 PM  

Boo_Guy: Nick Nostril: The pants-wetters have won. Commence with full retardation of the nation.

Commence?  It commenced long ago,  I'd say it's well on it's way to being complete.


Yeah, Ideoracy has been here for awhile now.
 
2014-03-04 07:58:54 PM  

SH: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

^^^^^ Whatta dick.


Ok, I'll bite.  Assuming that the poster is the penis (not the father who made the comments) , what is the correct, sympathetic response?  Cmon, you can't just unleash a personal attach without a counter....

Oh, this is Fark...never mind....
 
2014-03-04 07:59:06 PM  
I'm thinking that a public execution on the Staehouse steps in front of his classmates. That should set the little buggars straight

/sarcasim
 
2014-03-04 07:59:46 PM  
Farking hoplophobes.  When is that going to be recognized as a dangerous mental illness?
 
2014-03-04 08:00:41 PM  

Isitoveryet: kortex: This is what you get when libtards run the schools.

well rest assured, because there's a libtard fighting to have the Ohio zero tolerance law reversed.

http://wosu.org/2012/news/2013/08/19/bill-would-ban-zero-tolerance-p ol icies-in-ohio-schools/


One libtard doesn't fix the other libtards.  Maybe I could poison libtards like roaches?  That way, when libtards convene, all libtards would be infected?
 
2014-03-04 08:00:54 PM  

Daraymann: 30 years ago, this would have been nothing.

30 years ago, their was no issue with school shootings.

Yeah, zero tolerance totally works.


30 years ago parents would have spanked the kid for getting in trouble at school too
 
2014-03-04 08:01:57 PM  

LasersHurt: blindpreacher: You can thank the feminization of our school system for this.

We're off to a rapid start for "dumbest thing in the thread."


Well, ok.  I read the referred piece, and a lot of it was spot on except the bit about "feminism" being the culprit and just say "lawyerism" should be a word, but only because neither of "litigation" or "litigious" really fills the bill.

That's really the only fuss here.  Little Billy make a finger-gun and terrorizes little Aziz with it.  Little Aziz then go to his parents, who then hire a lawyer to sue the school for not preventing such heinous behavior.  And they'll win. More accurately, their lawyer will win, and the school, parents and children will lose.  It's not about "zero-tolerance" for bad behavior.  It's about "zero-tolerance" for lawsuits.
 
2014-03-04 08:02:49 PM  

blanchae: The only solution is to have a "Point your fingers like a gun day". If everyone did it then what are they going to do?


This. Sometimes, when no amount of reason or logic can get an authority figure to see how ridiculous they're being, the only recourse is to make them continue being ridiculous until they finally get it. Maybe if twenty or thirty kids were lined up outside this idiot's office, awaiting their suspension for brandishing finger-guns, common sense might return. I doubt it, but anybody can dream. I have never in my life seen a better case being made in favor of homeschooling. fark. This. Noise.
 
2014-03-04 08:05:46 PM  

IrishBlunder: It's not about "zero-tolerance" for bad behavior.  It's about "zero-tolerance" for lawsuits.


We need to fix it on both fronts.  Make them fear the wrath of parents for these stupid policies more than lawsuits, and make sure that such frivolous lawsuits are not successful.
 
2014-03-04 08:06:26 PM  

blanchae: The only solution is to have a "Point your fingers like a gun day". If everyone did it then what are they going to do?


I really like it, just rename it to "Point at all your friends day"
 
2014-03-04 08:06:51 PM  

SH: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

^^^^^ Whatta dick.


Yeah. It is pretty nice. How'd YOU hear about it...from your mom?
 
2014-03-04 08:07:05 PM  

doglover: ScaryBottles: Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.

When is the last time you talked to a ten year old child?

Obeying the new rule doesn't seem to be much of a problem for all the other ten year olds now does it? Don't you think its possible just maybe the kid got punished not because of the gesture but because there is a rule and this spoiled little shiat decided to ignore it when none of the other children did. My guess is dear dad saw the notice wadded it up and told the kid he could ignore the rule because freedom and stuff. I super duper double dog dare any of you to try and tell me right wing dipshiats never hide behind the children.

/responsible gun owner before you even start that crap derps. In my house guns were deadly serious business. If I had pretended to shoot someone even with my finger the teacher wouldn't have be the one punishing me.

//raised by Vietnam vet

Do you even know what a kid is?

A spoiled shiat who doesn't follow the rules is in EVERY classroom. It's always a boy. He always does the opposite of what he's told. If he's taken down to the office, ten minutes later his buddy steps in to fill ...


Like I said the other kids didn't seem to have any problems adhering to the new rules. No dad is some idiot derp trying to make a point. Its not even the kid's fault probably.
 
2014-03-04 08:07:11 PM  
He was simply describing a current induced magnetic field. The 'bang' was the noise made by the collapsing field.


montessorimuddle.org
 
2014-03-04 08:08:47 PM  

kortex: Isitoveryet: kortex: This is what you get when libtards run the schools.

well rest assured, because there's a libtard fighting to have the Ohio zero tolerance law reversed.

http://wosu.org/2012/news/2013/08/19/bill-would-ban-zero-tolerance-p ol icies-in-ohio-schools/

One libtard doesn't fix the other libtards.  Maybe I could poison libtards like roaches?  That way, when libtards convene, all libtards would be infected?



is your arm numb? are you feeling light headed?
well, you may be having a stroke, call 911 for assistance.
 
2014-03-04 08:14:11 PM  

kortex: One libtard doesn't fix the other libtards. Maybe I could poison libtards like roaches? That way, when libtards convene, all libtards would be infected?


I'm willing to bet the problem spans party lines, and that the worst offenders hypocritically blame the other side for interfering with the school system.
 
2014-03-04 08:17:12 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Farking hoplophobes.  When is that going to be recognized as a dangerous mental illness?


Licking a dead guy on a stick is pretty weird.
Licking guns is weird, too.


I before E except after dead guys on sticks and guns?

Weirder
 
2014-03-04 08:19:34 PM  
Well, I emailed my Rep. and Sen.
 
2014-03-04 08:22:31 PM  

Dadoody: Welcome to Libtard Land.

[images.sodahead.com image 480x480]

[lh4.ggpht.com image 353x512]


How DARE you call us racist for acting like a bunch of racists!  Stupid libtardos...
 
2014-03-04 08:24:35 PM  
Public school is child abuse.
 
2014-03-04 08:26:26 PM  
"That wasn't an imaginary gun. That was an imaginary bottle of Windex. I was pretending to clean his head."
 
2014-03-04 08:29:25 PM  

PirateKing: He was simply describing a current induced magnetic field. The 'bang' was the noise made by the collapsing field.


Yep, what the school saw was: Magnetic Field = trigger finger; Current = gun barrel; Force = shoulder thing that goes up.
 
2014-03-04 08:32:07 PM  
I'm not a supporter of zero tolerance policies and feel every incident should be handled on a case-by-case basis.  But, this kid took his finger to the back of another kid's head and pretended to blow his head off.  The other kid was not playing along.  None of you think that's a little bit odd for a 10 year old and needed to be addressed?  Wow

Another thing while I'm here...teachers are the last ones who want to cause a fuss, especially when dealing with parents or punishments.  For every zero tolerance article that enrages you, there are probably 1000 cases that were handled by the teacher and the kid wasn't sent up the creek, so to speak.  Since everyone here LOVES to speculate, I'm going to assume this wasn't the kid's first time at the shoot 'em up rodeo.  I'm willing to bet he in an unruly student and the teacher turned him in as a last resort.

Last thing, if I came up behind you and pointed my finger at your head and said "bang".  What would you do to me?
 
gja
2014-03-04 08:33:06 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.


You know what SCS? I am almost always with you on things. But here? You went off the reservation bro.

I don't care how many way and times the kid was warned. Playing finger-mime gun games at worst warrants a talking-to and perhaps a bit of detention. Not this.

We are forcing kids to be mindlessly compliant drones. And at the same time stripping them of their childhood joys of playing.

I hope you were trolling. If not, I am severely disappointed. Usually you make so much sense. This is derp-ish.
 
2014-03-04 08:33:18 PM  

kortex: Isitoveryet: kortex: This is what you get when libtards run the schools.

well rest assured, because there's a libtard fighting to have the Ohio zero tolerance law reversed.

http://wosu.org/2012/news/2013/08/19/bill-would-ban-zero-tolerance-p ol icies-in-ohio-schools/

One libtard doesn't fix the other libtards.  Maybe I could poison libtards like roaches?  That way, when libtards convene, all libtards would be infected?


Why is your user name kortex when you are clearly lacking in one?
 
2014-03-04 08:34:57 PM  

Watubi: I'm not a supporter of zero tolerance policies and feel every incident should be handled on a case-by-case basis.  But, this kid took his finger to the back of another kid's head and pretended to blow his head off.  The other kid was not playing along.  None of you think that's a little bit odd for a 10 year old and needed to be addressed?  Wow

Another thing while I'm here...teachers are the last ones who want to cause a fuss, especially when dealing with parents or punishments.  For every zero tolerance article that enrages you, there are probably 1000 cases that were handled by the teacher and the kid wasn't sent up the creek, so to speak.  Since everyone here LOVES to speculate, I'm going to assume this wasn't the kid's first time at the shoot 'em up rodeo.  I'm willing to bet he in an unruly student and the teacher turned him in as a last resort.

Last thing, if I came up behind you and pointed my finger at your head and said "bang".  What would you do to me?



Suspend you.......by your throat
 
2014-03-04 08:37:28 PM  

ScaryBottles: doglover: ScaryBottles: Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.

When is the last time you talked to a ten year old child?

Obeying the new rule doesn't seem to be much of a problem for all the other ten year olds now does it? Don't you think its possible just maybe the kid got punished not because of the gesture but because there is a rule and this spoiled little shiat decided to ignore it when none of the other children did. My guess is dear dad saw the notice wadded it up and told the kid he could ignore the rule because freedom and stuff. I super duper double dog dare any of you to try and tell me right wing dipshiats never hide behind the children.

/responsible gun owner before you even start that crap derps. In my house guns were deadly serious business. If I had pretended to shoot someone even with my finger the teacher wouldn't have be the one punishing me.

//raised by Vietnam vet

Do you even know what a kid is?

A spoiled shiat who doesn't follow the rules is in EVERY classroom. It's always a boy. He always does the opposite of what he's told. If he's taken down to the office, ten minutes later his buddy steps i ...


It's a good point to make.

Rules like this are retarded. They need to be brought to light and publicly mocked. The people who propose them need to be fired and kicked out of town. The people who support them? Ostrich-sized.

/ I guess it would require platform shoes? Ostriches are pretty big.
 
2014-03-04 08:38:01 PM  
So, this is still cool in school right?

oi62.tinypic.com
 
gja
2014-03-04 08:39:10 PM  

BluVeinThrobber: Watubi: I'm not a supporter of zero tolerance policies and feel every incident should be handled on a case-by-case basis.  But, this kid took his finger to the back of another kid's head and pretended to blow his head off.  The other kid was not playing along.  None of you think that's a little bit odd for a 10 year old and needed to be addressed?  Wow

Another thing while I'm here...teachers are the last ones who want to cause a fuss, especially when dealing with parents or punishments.  For every zero tolerance article that enrages you, there are probably 1000 cases that were handled by the teacher and the kid wasn't sent up the creek, so to speak.  Since everyone here LOVES to speculate, I'm going to assume this wasn't the kid's first time at the shoot 'em up rodeo.  I'm willing to bet he in an unruly student and the teacher turned him in as a last resort.

Last thing, if I came up behind you and pointed my finger at your head and said "bang".  What would you do to me?


Suspend you.......by your throat


www.firedaily.com


pew pew pew pew pew....gonna come to NY and try some shiat with me now?
 
gja
2014-03-04 08:41:20 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: So, this is still cool in school right?

[oi62.tinypic.com image 500x375]


Mom:"Where did you learn that trash from? Where? Who taught you that trash?"
Kid: "From YOU, I learned it from you, OK? You and dad...."
 
2014-03-04 08:44:49 PM  

Watubi: I'm not a supporter of zero tolerance policies and feel every incident should be handled on a case-by-case basis.  But, this kid took his finger to the back of another kid's head and pretended to blow his head off.  The other kid was not playing along.  None of you think that's a little bit odd for a 10 year old and needed to be addressed?  Wow

Another thing while I'm here...teachers are the last ones who want to cause a fuss, especially when dealing with parents or punishments.  For every zero tolerance article that enrages you, there are probably 1000 cases that were handled by the teacher and the kid wasn't sent up the creek, so to speak.  Since everyone here LOVES to speculate, I'm going to assume this wasn't the kid's first time at the shoot 'em up rodeo.  I'm willing to bet he in an unruly student and the teacher turned him in as a last resort.

Last thing, if I came up behind you and pointed my finger at your head and said "bang".  What would you do to me?


I would pretend to be shot.  And then later I would pretend to shoot you.  Because I have a sense of humor.
 
2014-03-04 08:45:23 PM  
I just told this story to my 10yo boy, and he reminded me that his fourth grade teacher last year encouraged them to make guns during some assignment. He says the girls made paper dollls.

/Private schools rule.
 
2014-03-04 08:50:12 PM  
School shootings that left scores of dead children and the resulting national headlines forced schools to adopt gun-related policies. Part of those policies include early identification of violent or potentially violent students BEFORE any actual problems arise. We have insisted that schools hire resource officers to police school rooms and assemblies. These policies, should ideally include common sense enforcement and fairness. Something that on the surface seems to be lacking in this case.

We penalize high school and college football players for making a throat slashing sign even though there is no knife or razor on the field. If an older student were to threaten another student with a verbal threat of violence, he would likewise face punishment. How young is TOO young? I remember, like many of you running around the playground AND occasionally even the classroom pretending to play cowboys and Indians, cops and robbers or war games. It is a piss poor reflection of the society that we have either created or allowed to be created. The line between a harmless prank and an actual threat can be blurred.

All my nephews and some of my nieces have been taught gun safety and responsibility. My wife and I have 32 total, but no kids of our own. I've stressed for them to be safe and legal marksmen and hunters. We have a large duck and deer camp, and shoot pistols, rifles and shotguns.

The world is bigger and uglier then when we were kids. School shootings went from being a rare threat to a regular tragedy. I don't think this is all about anti-gun sentiment. I don't think that has anything to do with 'political correctness'. I hope each case like this would be handled on an individual basis. A 'zero tolerance' policy seems every bit as unwise as mandatory sentencing guidelines for youthful offenders.

This story makes me sad. Sad, for school shootings. Sad, because innocent children are paying the price for the actions of both the mentally damaged and the students whose hearts are dark with rage and hate.
As much as I am disappointed in hearing of this ten year old's case, I am equally disappointed and angry that some find this to be the only solution.

We praise stupidity. We worship money, success and power. We scorn kindness as weakness and we are manipulated by consumerism, greed and violence. We have substituted brotherly love, for division. We have replaced morals and religion for politics and blame. We have allowed monied interests to dictate our habits and futures. We have either forgotten what creates happiness, or were never given the love and understanding to be able to appreciate it.

I claim no moral highground. I am cynical, dark humored and often inappropriate... especially on FARK. I always want to think the best of everyone, but inevitably I end up disappointed. I wish we all spent more time playing nice and sharing. Feel free to chastise me or remind me, when I do not. Let's all try to do a better job with one another's help.

My two cents.
 
2014-03-04 08:50:23 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: So, this is still cool in school right?


What exactly were you googling to find that picture? Do we need to give Chris Hansen a call?
 
2014-03-04 08:53:19 PM  

gja: BluVeinThrobber: Watubi: I'm not a supporter of zero tolerance policies and feel every incident should be handled on a case-by-case basis.  But, this kid took his finger to the back of another kid's head and pretended to blow his head off.  The other kid was not playing along.  None of you think that's a little bit odd for a 10 year old and needed to be addressed?  Wow

Another thing while I'm here...teachers are the last ones who want to cause a fuss, especially when dealing with parents or punishments.  For every zero tolerance article that enrages you, there are probably 1000 cases that were handled by the teacher and the kid wasn't sent up the creek, so to speak.  Since everyone here LOVES to speculate, I'm going to assume this wasn't the kid's first time at the shoot 'em up rodeo.  I'm willing to bet he in an unruly student and the teacher turned him in as a last resort.

Last thing, if I came up behind you and pointed my finger at your head and said "bang".  What would you do to me?


Suspend you.......by your throat

[www.firedaily.com image 299x223]


pew pew pew pew pew....gonna come to NY and try some shiat with me now?


Gee you took that kind of personal for an A-B conversation that you saw fit to C your way into, In any event it wasn't a threat . It was a sarcastic response to a silly question.
 
2014-03-04 08:54:45 PM  
My but we've become a society of over reactive pussies.
 
2014-03-04 08:57:14 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: [i.imgur.com image 477x638]


Sixfinger! O my gosh, I actually had one of these. Poor kids these days don't have any good projectile-based toys any more.

http://youtu.be/ElVzs0lEULs  <-TV ad
 
gja
2014-03-04 08:58:18 PM  

BluVeinThrobber: gja: BluVeinThrobber: Watubi: I'm not a supporter of zero tolerance policies and feel every incident should be handled on a case-by-case basis.  But, this kid took his finger to the back of another kid's head and pretended to blow his head off.  The other kid was not playing along.  None of you think that's a little bit odd for a 10 year old and needed to be addressed?  Wow

Another thing while I'm here...teachers are the last ones who want to cause a fuss, especially when dealing with parents or punishments.  For every zero tolerance article that enrages you, there are probably 1000 cases that were handled by the teacher and the kid wasn't sent up the creek, so to speak.  Since everyone here LOVES to speculate, I'm going to assume this wasn't the kid's first time at the shoot 'em up rodeo.  I'm willing to bet he in an unruly student and the teacher turned him in as a last resort.

Last thing, if I came up behind you and pointed my finger at your head and said "bang".  What would you do to me?


Suspend you.......by your throat

[www.firedaily.com image 299x223]


pew pew pew pew pew....gonna come to NY and try some shiat with me now?

Gee you took that kind of personal for an A-B conversation that you saw fit to C your way into, In any event it wasn't a threat . It was a sarcastic response to a silly question.


Missed my snark? Oh well, we were BOTH just being smarty-asses. Besides, I just LOVE that meme.
Reminds me of my dad.
 
2014-03-04 08:59:11 PM  
Dad can stick a loaded weapon in his jacket and go to the mall. Junior can't point his finger at someone. Anyone else seeing a disconnect here?
 
2014-03-04 09:00:15 PM  

gja: BluVeinThrobber: gja: BluVeinThrobber: Watubi: I'm not a supporter of zero tolerance policies and feel every incident should be handled on a case-by-case basis.  But, this kid took his finger to the back of another kid's head and pretended to blow his head off.  The other kid was not playing along.  None of you think that's a little bit odd for a 10 year old and needed to be addressed?  Wow

Another thing while I'm here...teachers are the last ones who want to cause a fuss, especially when dealing with parents or punishments.  For every zero tolerance article that enrages you, there are probably 1000 cases that were handled by the teacher and the kid wasn't sent up the creek, so to speak.  Since everyone here LOVES to speculate, I'm going to assume this wasn't the kid's first time at the shoot 'em up rodeo.  I'm willing to bet he in an unruly student and the teacher turned him in as a last resort.

Last thing, if I came up behind you and pointed my finger at your head and said "bang".  What would you do to me?


Suspend you.......by your throat

[www.firedaily.com image 299x223]


pew pew pew pew pew....gonna come to NY and try some shiat with me now?

Gee you took that kind of personal for an A-B conversation that you saw fit to C your way into, In any event it wasn't a threat . It was a sarcastic response to a silly question.

Missed my snark? Oh well, we were BOTH just being smarty-asses. Besides, I just LOVE that meme.
Reminds me of my dad.


Cool
 
2014-03-04 09:09:02 PM  

gja: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

You know what SCS? I am almost always with you on things. But here? You went off the reservation bro.

I don't care how many way and times the kid was warned. Playing finger-mime gun games at worst warrants a talking-to and perhaps a bit of detention. Not this.

We are forcing kids to be mindlessly compliant drones. And at the same time stripping them of their childhood joys of playing.

I hope you were trolling. If not, I am severely disappointed. Usually you make so much sense. This is derp-ish.


I think the rule is stupid.

I ALSO think it's stupid to whine about the punishment after being warned & reminded of the consequences and choosing to ignore that.
 
2014-03-04 09:16:45 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Farking hoplophobes.  When is that going to be recognized as a dangerous mental illness?


If you use that word one more time while the planet is in motion, you'll get a hoplophile right up the ass, my dear.
 
2014-03-04 09:17:21 PM  

That Guy...From That Show!: So, this is still cool in school right?

[oi62.tinypic.com image 500x375]


img.fark.net

/Go big or go home
 
2014-03-04 09:18:18 PM  
The world is bigger and uglier then when we were kids.


No, this is false on all social levels. Read some history books.

Mass killings are down. Waaaaay down. They're also more frowned upon. Used to be fun for the comanche? (I think) to tie up white settlers and let their women torture them. Cut off noses, burn them, etc. Fun for the whole family. The US Cavalry troops we sent against them, led by men like Custer, weren't much better. I don't have specific examples for Custer, but the Trail of Tears and smallpox blankets come to mind as the kind of things that were gotten up to. And that's just the 1800s.

You wanna get more recent? 1940's recent enough? Viet Nam? Iraq? No, we're a much less violent society than in the past. Things are great. The only real problem left is the legal system.
 
2014-03-04 09:21:15 PM  
Guns Up!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_U p

/Texas
 
2014-03-04 09:22:57 PM  
Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school
We're torturing the teachers and we're breaking all the rules
We broke into the office and we hung the principal
The kids go marching home
Glory, glory hallelujah
Teacher hit me with a ruler
I met her at the door with a loaded .44
and the teacher ain't my teacher no more.

I went to grade school in the early 90s. We used to sing this (or variants of it) on the playground. I'm certain older farkers did too. Today, I'm 100% certain it'd get a kid suspended or expelled.

/i will teach this song to my son
 
2014-03-04 09:25:08 PM  
The only way to make a stupid rule go away is to "whine" about it, though.


(Or judicious application of beating, but that depends if it's culturally acceptable or not)
 
gja
2014-03-04 09:25:25 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: I think the rule is stupid.

I ALSO think it's stupid to whine about the punishment after being warned & reminded of the consequences and choosing to ignore that.


The rule is offensive, arbitrary, ignorant, oppressive and wasteful of time, money, effort and already overextended attention on the part of teachers who already have far too much to do and get too little pay for it.

Somewhere along the line these things have to start being fought. Otherwise our schools will continue to have problems they could easily avoid, on top of the inherently unavoidable problems they have to deal with.

So, if some whining and teeth-gnashing helps this along I say "so be it". Anything that gets stupid-ass rules like this bad press ad helps to force them off the books is good, IMHO. We need to stop being the pussies of the developed world.
 
gja
2014-03-04 09:27:38 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Smeggy Smurf: Farking hoplophobes.  When is that going to be recognized as a dangerous mental illness?

If you use that word one more time while the planet is in motion, you'll get a hoplophile right up the ass, my dear.


Asshole...(cleans screen off) Warn me before you post that funny shiat.
 
2014-03-04 09:30:42 PM  

Gordon Bennett: "How much of a threat can it really be for a 10-year-old to hold up his fingers?" said a frustrated Entingh. "I would like for somebody to explain this to me because apparently I don't get it. This is way over the boundary. A teacher could have talked to him and sat him down, given him detention, but a three days suspension?"

This is what happens when extremism becomes normalised. Giving him a stern lecture or a detention is not a just, fair or rational response yet that is taken as some sort of moderate or sane position simply for being less extreme.


What would be sane would be for this to have been a complete non-issue and for no one to have batted an eye at a child making a gun shape with his fingers and saying "bang."


Guns seems to be the only subject on which liberals think that complete and utter ignorance and deception is a good thing.  Of coarse if they can keep the kids as ignorant as possible about guns the better the chances of accidents that they can blame on gun owners and scream and cry for more bans.

"What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that's not cool, that it's not acceptable, it's not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes." "We have to be repetitive about this," he said.  "We need to do this every day of the week, and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way." -Eric Holder
 
2014-03-04 09:34:30 PM  

Dahnkster: The world is bigger and uglier then when we were kids


No.  The world is FAR safer; anecdotally and statistically.  We have become hypersensitive to it.  Pretty much everything you said is categorically wrong.
 
2014-03-04 09:35:09 PM  

grinding_journalist: Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school
We're torturing the teachers and we're breaking all the rules
We broke into the office and we hung the principal
The kids go marching home
Glory, glory hallelujah
Teacher hit me with a ruler
I met her at the door with a loaded .44
and the teacher ain't my teacher no more.

I went to grade school in the early 90s. We used to sing this (or variants of it) on the playground. I'm certain older farkers did too. Today, I'm 100% certain it'd get a kid suspended or expelled.

/i will teach this song to my son


Oh my god, yes.

You'd be sweating it out in Gitmo in half a day, if you weren't just put against the nearest wall.

Wonder if my nephew knows it.
 
2014-03-04 09:35:52 PM  

whatshisname: Dad can stick a loaded weapon in his jacket and go to the mall. Junior can't point his finger at someone. Anyone else seeing a disconnect here?


Luckily they didn't find the kid's shoulder blades, he would have been expelled.
 
gja
2014-03-04 09:39:54 PM  

Callous: Gordon Bennett: "How much of a threat can it really be for a 10-year-old to hold up his fingers?" said a frustrated Entingh. "I would like for somebody to explain this to me because apparently I don't get it. This is way over the boundary. A teacher could have talked to him and sat him down, given him detention, but a three days suspension?"

This is what happens when extremism becomes normalised. Giving him a stern lecture or a detention is not a just, fair or rational response yet that is taken as some sort of moderate or sane position simply for being less extreme.


What would be sane would be for this to have been a complete non-issue and for no one to have batted an eye at a child making a gun shape with his fingers and saying "bang."

Guns seems to be the only subject on which liberals think that complete and utter ignorance and deception is a good thing.  Of coarse if they can keep the kids as ignorant as possible about guns the better the chances of accidents that they can blame on gun owners and scream and cry for more bans.

"What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that's not cool, that it's not acceptable, it's not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we changed our attitudes about cigarettes." "We have to be repetitive about this," he said.  "We need to do this every day of the week, and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way." -Eric Holder


Cannot wait to see that asshole thrown out. I hope he knows the second BO out his wimpy little ass is out.
 
2014-03-04 09:42:31 PM  

scottydoesntknow: EvilEgg: Would he still be in trouble if the thumb wasn't raised?

Of course not. That means the hammer is forward and the gun can't fire. It's totally safe at that point.


Unless he has a double-action finger.
 
2014-03-04 09:45:22 PM  
I hate to say it, but that's a pretty effective way of getting the point across to kids that the shiny show-n-tell special is NOT something you should bring to school.... no matter how many times your drunk dad packed a piece in your backpack and a banana in his holster.

It actually a real problem, all the more so with lax gun laws. If you want one, don't be surprised at the other, at least. It is a building full of irreplaceable stuff after all.
 
2014-03-04 09:48:25 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: I hate to say it, but that's a pretty effective way of getting the point across to kids that the shiny show-n-tell special is NOT something you should bring to school.... no matter how many times your drunk dad packed a piece in your backpack and a banana in his holster.

It actually a real problem, all the more so with lax gun laws. If you want one, don't be surprised at the other, at least. It is a building full of irreplaceable stuff after all.


Can you try and come up with something even remotely true?  That's an awful lot of words used to express "I have no clue what I'm talking about".
 
2014-03-04 09:48:44 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: I hate to say it, but that's a pretty effective way of getting the point across to kids that the shiny show-n-tell special is NOT something you should bring to school.... no matter how many times your drunk dad packed a piece in your backpack and a banana in his holster.

It actually a real problem, all the more so with lax gun laws. If you want one, don't be surprised at the other, at least. It is a building full of irreplaceable stuff after all.


That's a whole lot of derp right there.
 
2014-03-04 09:52:05 PM  

whatshisname: kortex: Isitoveryet: kortex: This is what you get when libtards run the schools.

well rest assured, because there's a libtard fighting to have the Ohio zero tolerance law reversed.

http://wosu.org/2012/news/2013/08/19/bill-would-ban-zero-tolerance-p ol icies-in-ohio-schools/

One libtard doesn't fix the other libtards.  Maybe I could poison libtards like roaches?  That way, when libtards convene, all libtards would be infected?

Why is your user name kortex when you are clearly lacking in one?


Wuuuuuurhsrl
 
2014-03-04 09:54:41 PM  
Wait until they notice that a fist looks just like a hand grenade.  Also, not only do pencils look like murder spears, they can actually be used as one.
 
2014-03-04 09:55:28 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Relatively Obscure: They can send out notes saying "any and all child-like behavior from children will not be tolerated," but people will probably still be annoyed when kids kicked out of school for it.

I don't think I want to know a six-year-old who isn't a dreamer, or a sillyheart. And I sure don't want to know one who takes their student career seriously. I don't have a college degree. I don't even have a job. But I know a good kid when I see one. Because they're ALL good kids, until dried-out, brain-dead skags like you drag them down and convince them they're no good. You so much as scowl at my niece, or any other kid in this school, and I hear about it, and I'm coming looking for you!

Take this quarter, go downtown, and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face! Good day to you, madam.


I have no idea how you read what I wrote.
 
2014-03-04 09:56:23 PM  
Kids aren't allowed to say the F word in class. Does it happen? yes. Are there consequences? yes. Is it excusable because kids have no self control and are therefore inherently free from responsibility for their actions? no.
 
2014-03-04 09:57:19 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: SH: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

^^^^^ Whatta dick.

Yeah. It is pretty nice. How'd YOU hear about it...from your mom?


A dick and an asshole, all in one. Magic!


Boo_Guy: That Guy...From That Show!: So, this is still cool in school right?

[oi62.tinypic.com image 500x375]

[img.fark.net image 400x292]

/Go big or go home


You call that big? Why do you think God created elbows?
 
2014-03-04 09:57:49 PM  

Carousel Beast: sobriquet by any other name: I hate to say it, but that's a pretty effective way of getting the point across to kids that the shiny show-n-tell special is NOT something you should bring to school.... no matter how many times your drunk dad packed a piece in your backpack and a banana in his holster.

It actually a real problem, all the more so with lax gun laws. If you want one, don't be surprised at the other, at least. It is a building full of irreplaceable stuff after all.

That's a whole lot of derp right there.


sure *I* believe you, but can you help phrase it for conveying to the Parent-Teachers Association why it's bad? No foul language and under a minute, if you don't mind.
 
gja
2014-03-04 09:59:06 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Kids aren't allowed to say the F word in class. Does it happen? yes. Are there consequences? yes. Is it excusable because kids have no self control and are therefore inherently free from responsibility for their actions? no.


Two words:
False
Equivalencies

One is a filthy word with a near universal connotation.
The other is a playtime gesture.
 
2014-03-04 10:00:10 PM  
Those rules are idiotic, you have teachers and administrators sending notes home about a "problem" at school where kids are fake shooting eachother with their fingers? this is what they are doing on the taxpayer dime? And just because a policy exists doesn't mean you have to follow it either, there's plenty of plausible deniability that you didn't see a kid making his finger into a gun that as a teacher you can ignore it and just focus on the general disruption the kid is making, so it's douchebags all the way down on this one.
 
2014-03-04 10:00:19 PM  
Creating a politics tab was neccessary to siphon the worst of the crazy out of the real threads, but the damn thing is leaky. :(
 
2014-03-04 10:00:47 PM  

gja: Sin_City_Superhero: I think the rule is stupid.

I ALSO think it's stupid to whine about the punishment after being warned & reminded of the consequences and choosing to ignore that.

The rule is offensive, arbitrary, ignorant, oppressive and wasteful of time, money, effort and already overextended attention on the part of teachers who already have far too much to do and get too little pay for it.

Somewhere along the line these things have to start being fought. Otherwise our schools will continue to have problems they could easily avoid, on top of the inherently unavoidable problems they have to deal with.

So, if some whining and teeth-gnashing helps this along I say "so be it". Anything that gets stupid-ass rules like this bad press ad helps to force them off the books is good, IMHO. We need to stop being the pussies of the developed world.


OK. Let's look at this from a different perspective. Say the teacher had done nothing, and some other kid tells his/her parents. That parent files a complaint, and the teacher gets fired for neglecting their job. The root problem is that a stupid rule is on the books. But the fact is, the rule IS on the books, and the kid put the teacher in an unenviable position. The kid was warned. The parent acknowledges this. He also acknowledges that the teacher reminded the students of the penalties of non-compliance. When the kid willfully ignores the teacher, what's the teacher to do? The teacher has NO CHOICE but to suspend. If not, none of the teacher's other orders carry any weight, and chaos reigns in the classroom.
 
gja
2014-03-04 10:00:47 PM  

DrBenway: Why do you think God created elbows?


To know where to stop in your mom?

/ducks and covers
//i keed!
 
2014-03-04 10:03:00 PM  

gja: DrBenway: Why do you think God created elbows?


To know where to stop in your mom?


i434.photobucket.com
 
gja
2014-03-04 10:05:08 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: gja: Sin_City_Superhero: I think the rule is stupid.

I ALSO think it's stupid to whine about the punishment after being warned & reminded of the consequences and choosing to ignore that.

The rule is offensive, arbitrary, ignorant, oppressive and wasteful of time, money, effort and already overextended attention on the part of teachers who already have far too much to do and get too little pay for it.

Somewhere along the line these things have to start being fought. Otherwise our schools will continue to have problems they could easily avoid, on top of the inherently unavoidable problems they have to deal with.

So, if some whining and teeth-gnashing helps this along I say "so be it". Anything that gets stupid-ass rules like this bad press ad helps to force them off the books is good, IMHO. We need to stop being the pussies of the developed world.

OK. Let's look at this from a different perspective. Say the teacher had done nothing, and some other kid tells his/her parents. That parent files a complaint, and the teacher gets fired for neglecting their job. The root problem is that a stupid rule is on the books. But the fact is, the rule IS on the books, and the kid put the teacher in an unenviable position. The kid was warned. The parent acknowledges this. He also acknowledges that the teacher reminded the students of the penalties of non-compliance. When the kid willfully ignores the teacher, what's the teacher to do? The teacher has NO CHOICE but to suspend. If not, none of the teacher's other orders carry any weight, and chaos reigns in the classroom.


I did not say to do nothing. My eldest sister is a teacher. They foisted some of these stupidity-laden rules on the staff where she is.
The teachers DID have complaints from parents. The teachers stood up to it and forced the hand of the board.
Now, they have rules that make much more sense. And parents were reminded that teachers are not there to raise your sperm/egg combos.
That's why it's called PARENTING.
 
2014-03-04 10:06:46 PM  

gja: Kumana Wanalaia: Kids aren't allowed to say the F word in class. Does it happen? yes. Are there consequences? yes. Is it excusable because kids have no self control and are therefore inherently free from responsibility for their actions? no.

Two words:
False
Equivalencies

One is a filthy word with a near universal connotation.
The other is a playtime gesture.


They're both things that adults have told the children not to do.
The fact that one is vulgarity and the other is pretend violence doesn't mitigate the prohibition.

If "but it was fun" becomes an excuse, that's a problem.
 
2014-03-04 10:06:49 PM  
The question I really want an answer to is: What's a Level 1 simulated firearm if you can reach "level two" without holding anything.

When I was a kid "simulated firearm" meant you took a TOY firearm (notice the distinction) and removed the bright orange bits so it wasn't obviously fake, and/or deliberately convinced someone you had a real weapon.

Adults have guns. Most of the US seems to want more of them to have guns. Kids model adult behavior in play. They do so in a childish and unrealistic fashion because they're children. Redirecting them to another game, and then explaining WHY something is inappropriate if they do it again makes a lot more sense than zomgthinkofthechildrensuspension.
 
2014-03-04 10:11:41 PM  

doglover: The only real problem left is the legal system.


Well...that and Bieber, obviously.
 
gja
2014-03-04 10:12:48 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: gja: Kumana Wanalaia: Kids aren't allowed to say the F word in class. Does it happen? yes. Are there consequences? yes. Is it excusable because kids have no self control and are therefore inherently free from responsibility for their actions? no.

Two words:
False
Equivalencies

One is a filthy word with a near universal connotation.
The other is a playtime gesture.

They're both things that adults have told the children not to do.
The fact that one is vulgarity and the other is pretend violence doesn't mitigate the prohibition.

If "but it was fun" becomes an excuse, that's a problem.


Again we come to "listen unquestioningly to all you are dictated".
Screw that. And screw anyone who pulls such assholishness.

Just because children are told to listen to adults does not give adults a pass on using intelligent limits and not going totally of the deep end with rules. And that is the crux of the matter. there rules are too much, too far, with too little thought behind them.
They embody the lazy useless thinking that has permeated this country. Why think when it can all be made laws and rules for you to obey.
For-shiat laziness.
 
2014-03-04 10:13:36 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: doglover: The only real problem left is the legal system.

Well...that and Bieber, obviously.


If the law was more cromulent, we could just send him back to Mexico.
 
2014-03-04 10:14:46 PM  
CSB: My dad hit my grade school Principal. Beat him up apparently. Not when I was in school, unfortunately, (or I would have been KING) but "around town" earlier. Probably in a bar.
\small town
 
2014-03-04 10:18:00 PM  

drwiki: The question I really want an answer to is: What's a Level 1 simulated firearm if you can reach "level two" without holding anything.

When I was a kid "simulated firearm" meant you took a TOY firearm (notice the distinction) and removed the bright orange bits so it wasn't obviously fake, and/or deliberately convinced someone you had a real weapon.

Adults have guns. Most of the US seems to want more of them to have guns. Kids model adult behavior in play. They do so in a childish and unrealistic fashion because they're children. Redirecting them to another game, and then explaining WHY something is inappropriate if they do it again makes a lot more sense than zomgthinkofthechildrensuspension.


I would imagine that level 1 is what you describe, a physical toy.

As far as modelling adult behavior, I wouldn't mind if kids learned to shoot bb and pellet guns (rifles and handguns), in a classroom setting at their school, provided they learn how to be responsible with firearms as part of the process.

Oh yeah... and I voted for Obama.

And I'd like to see kids have a martial arts class instead of gym class. Again, use the class to teach discipline.
 
2014-03-04 10:23:03 PM  

kortex: whatshisname: kortex: Isitoveryet: kortex: This is what you get when libtards run the schools.

well rest assured, because there's a libtard fighting to have the Ohio zero tolerance law reversed.

http://wosu.org/2012/news/2013/08/19/bill-would-ban-zero-tolerance-p ol icies-in-ohio-schools/

One libtard doesn't fix the other libtards.  Maybe I could poison libtards like roaches?  That way, when libtards convene, all libtards would be infected?

Why is your user name kortex when you are clearly lacking in one?

Wuuuuuurhsrl


way to prove his point, inbred
 
2014-03-04 10:24:14 PM  
Seriously? Zero tolerance needs to die and common sense needs to come back.
 
2014-03-04 10:26:20 PM  
s1.hubimg.com

www.bloomberg.com
www.jdavidstein.comi1005.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-04 10:29:53 PM  

Dahnkster: [s1.hubimg.com image 520x313]

[www.bloomberg.com image 627x418]
[www.jdavidstein.com image 800x419][i1005.photobucket.com image 850x566]


Interesting math-number charts. What are you trying to prove, exactly? I *think* I might know, but if my notions are correct, half of your graphs contradict the point you want the other half to make.

So, what exactly?
 
2014-03-04 10:31:23 PM  

blindpreacher: You can thank the feminization of our school system for this.


Nonsense. My little sister had something similar happen to her. In 1963. Dumbo, over-reaction by school officials wasn't invented last week.
 
2014-03-04 10:31:52 PM  

grinding_journalist: Interesting math-number charts. What are you trying to prove, exactly? I *think* I might know, but if my notions are correct, half of your graphs contradict the point you want the other half to make.

So, what exactly?


Res ipsa loquitur
 
gja
2014-03-04 10:34:21 PM  

grinding_journalist: Dahnkster: [s1.hubimg.com image 520x313]

[www.bloomberg.com image 627x418]
[www.jdavidstein.com image 800x419][i1005.photobucket.com image 850x566]

Interesting math-number charts. What are you trying to prove, exactly? I *think* I might know, but if my notions are correct, half of your graphs contradict the point you want the other half to make.

So, what exactly?


Also, since we are once again comparing cars and guns you either have to:
1. Throw out all suicides by guns to be fair and balanced, OR....
2. Include all deaths where a car was involved in any way including gassing ones self to death and such.

Otherwise, take your tired bullshiat false sampling charts and use them for kindling.
 
2014-03-04 10:37:28 PM  
self discipline, that is. I'm not suggesting that the martial arts teacher beat the children.

Wouldn't that be great? Kids with more self respect, more respect for others, more self discipline, being less sedentary, and learning self defense. Win/win/win/win/win.
 
gja
2014-03-04 10:38:03 PM  

Dahnkster: grinding_journalist: Interesting math-number charts. What are you trying to prove, exactly? I *think* I might know, but if my notions are correct, half of your graphs contradict the point you want the other half to make.

So, what exactly?

Res ipsa loquitur


No, it does not.

To be sure some of your charts are contradictio in adjecto
 
2014-03-04 10:39:03 PM  

gja: Otherwise, take your tired bullshiat false sampling charts and use them for kindling.


That's a little hasty, it looks like cars have gotten much safer since the late 70s.
 
2014-03-04 10:39:52 PM  

Dahnkster: Res ipsa loquitur


Yes, latin is fun. But I asked you to explain the point you were trying to make with the charts you posted- simply saying the data speaks for itself when someone is asking for an explanation of why it was presented doesn't work.

For an example of what I'm talking about, let's look at chart #2 comparing auto and firearm fatalities. Here's what the data in that chart says to me: 1. Cars have gotten significantly safer with technological developments over time. 2. Since we're looking at straight quantity, coupled with an increase in total # of guns owned and total population, gun fatalities have essentially stayed flat, if not decreased marginally over time (via ratio of population.)

My guess is that isn't the point you were trying to make, but it's what I've inferred without any explanation from you, and whatever point you were attempting to make is just as valid as mine, since you said the data speaks for itself.

You saying res ipsa loquitur in this instance makes as much sense to me as me asking a bible thumper why something is the way it is in the good book, and they respond with "Because that's the way it is."
 
gja
2014-03-04 10:41:21 PM  

Dahnkster: grinding_journalist: Interesting math-number charts. What are you trying to prove, exactly? I *think* I might know, but if my notions are correct, half of your graphs contradict the point you want the other half to make.

So, what exactly?

Res ipsa loquitur


BTW, Mother Jones as a source is massively a fail. Highly suspect at best.
And the first and third chart bears no source, so bullshiat card on those.
The Bloomberg chart is the only one with any veracity at all. And there the sampling has been manipulated to fit a model.
Fail.
 
2014-03-04 10:43:04 PM  

gja: Otherwise, take your tired bullshiat false sampling charts and use them for kindling.


I await your graphs and statistical evidence to the contrary.
 
gja
2014-03-04 10:44:32 PM  

ko_kyi: gja: Otherwise, take your tired bullshiat false sampling charts and use them for kindling.

That's a little hasty, it looks like cars have gotten much safer since the late 70s.


I will concede that point. It is likely, and bears the mark of sensibility.
But using gun suicides to add to gun deaths while not then making and effort to also include deaths that may have included things like CO related deaths where a car was the source is falsely weighting the data.
 
gja
2014-03-04 10:45:53 PM  

Dahnkster: gja: Otherwise, take your tired bullshiat false sampling charts and use them for kindling.

I await your graphs and statistical evidence to the contrary.


No. The burden is on you little boy. Try that crap with someone as feeble-minded as yourself.
YOU presented the charts without sourcing them. Not I.
Burden of proof.
 
2014-03-04 10:47:18 PM  

gja: Dahnkster: gja: Otherwise, take your tired bullshiat false sampling charts and use them for kindling.

I await your graphs and statistical evidence to the contrary.

No. The burden is on you little boy. Try that crap with someone as feeble-minded as yourself.
YOU presented the charts without sourcing them. Not I.
Burden of proof.


Mother Jones is a perfectly cromulent source of objective, unbiased representation of gun facts.
 
gja
2014-03-04 10:51:33 PM  

Dahnkster: gja: Otherwise, take your tired bullshiat false sampling charts and use them for kindling.

I await your graphs and statistical evidence to the contrary.


Here, in the interest of being magnanimous

It requires you read, so this may be burdensome to those of short attention spans. Tough crap.
The sources are fully disclosed and quite well vetted.
 
gja
2014-03-04 10:54:27 PM  

super_grass: gja: Dahnkster: gja: Otherwise, take your tired bullshiat false sampling charts and use them for kindling.

I await your graphs and statistical evidence to the contrary.

No. The burden is on you little boy. Try that crap with someone as feeble-minded as yourself.
YOU presented the charts without sourcing them. Not I.
Burden of proof.

Mother Jones is a perfectly cromulent source of objective, unbiased representation of gun facts.


I will carve shapes into the tongue of the next person to use that non-word.
 
2014-03-04 10:58:21 PM  
Ah name-calling and ad hominem attack, the last vestige of the internet argument.

I present easily verifiable charts that I believe are relevant to the thread. You attack sources and then you project the what you believe to be the point I was trying to make. You finish with school yard name calling.
 
2014-03-04 10:59:09 PM  
This is what happens when you let retarded people be teachers.
 
2014-03-04 11:03:48 PM  

gja: The sources are fully disclosed and quite well vetted.


Just as another datapoint to the Mother Jones graph, the 2013 numbers (not on the chart), using the FBI definition of mass shootings, was 28 fatalities, 1 wounded, the majority being domestic violence including 4 fatalities by a police officer -  a number likely unaffected by gun laws. This 28 deaths would be a significant decline from 2012.
 
gja
2014-03-04 11:04:51 PM  

Dahnkster: Ah name-calling and ad hominem attack, the last vestige of the internet argument.

I present easily verifiable charts that I believe are relevant to the thread. You attack sources and then you project the what you believe to be the point I was trying to make. You finish with school yard name calling.


So go check the link. Otherwise you are being obtuse and intellectually dishonest.
See? no name calling there. Just calling you out on your falsehoods.

Very full of clearly defined proof. With ALL sources disclosed.
Unlike your pretty pictures without any proof at all due to lack of sources (except the BB chart, and they used VCP.org as source so that is dead).
 
gja
2014-03-04 11:06:12 PM  

ko_kyi: gja: The sources are fully disclosed and quite well vetted.

Just as another datapoint to the Mother Jones graph, the 2013 numbers (not on the chart), using the FBI definition of mass shootings, was 28 fatalities, 1 wounded, the majority being domestic violence including 4 fatalities by a police officer -  a number likely unaffected by gun laws. This 28 deaths would be a significant decline from 2012.


I still dislike that site for its tilt and leanings.
Give me cold logic over ZOMGLOOKATTHIS every time.
 
2014-03-04 11:06:39 PM  

Dahnkster: I present easily verifiable charts that I believe are relevant to the thread. You attack sources and then you project the what you believe to be the point I was trying to make. You finish with school yard name calling


Anyone that can read a graph knows that you are standing on an anthill and declaring that you have the high ground.

I'm gonna go pop some popcorn, hope you two keep going.
 
gja
2014-03-04 11:10:56 PM  

Dahnkster: Ah name-calling and ad hominem attack, the last vestige of the internet argument.

I present easily verifiable charts that I believe are relevant to the thread. You attack sources and then you project the what you believe to be the point I was trying to make. You finish with school yard name calling.


I have no patience for those who seek to publish lies and knowingly manipulated numbers, then try to redirect and misdirect when asked for source and veracity. Then when faced with hard facts turn to the electronic equivalent of 'na na na, fingers in ears cant hear you' to avoid dealing with the proof they do not know what the hell they are talking about and the numbers they tried to lie with fell apart under the light of scrutiny.
 
gja
2014-03-04 11:13:37 PM  

Dahnkster: I present easily verifiable charts


List sources or BS. The BB chart is sourced. You get a pass on the source for that one, but not the data, which I have given you a source that tears it to small pieces.
 
gja
2014-03-04 11:15:48 PM  
G'nite all. I fully expect D-ster to load the posts while I get some rest because I am certain I have his type and number, as it were.
 
2014-03-04 11:22:53 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.


This is how a "reasonable" person believes we will reduce gun violence.
 
2014-03-04 11:25:28 PM  

Lord Schtupp: kortex: whatshisname: kortex: Isitoveryet: kortex: This is what you get when libtards run the schools.

well rest assured, because there's a libtard fighting to have the Ohio zero tolerance law reversed.

http://wosu.org/2012/news/2013/08/19/bill-would-ban-zero-tolerance-p ol icies-in-ohio-schools/

One libtard doesn't fix the other libtards.  Maybe I could poison libtards like roaches?  That way, when libtards convene, all libtards would be infected?

Why is your user name kortex when you are clearly lacking in one?

Wuuuuuurhsrl

way to prove his point, inbred


That's Kentucky. I'm just drunk
 
2014-03-04 11:25:46 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Your kid was warned

And 10 year olds are known for their ability to model their behavior to conform to arbitrary adult standards.  That's why they make such good witnesses in a court of law.

Public schools are completely and utterly retarded, and zero tolerance is just the icing on the two neuron cake.


This.

/This AND this.
//Anyone who sees merit in zero-tolerance at this level of event is a Level 11 asshat.
///If you are truly frightened by things such as drawings/logos of guns, fingers/bread/pastries in the shape of any firearm, you have serious mental problems and need deep, deep therapy far away from the big skeery world outside.
 
2014-03-04 11:33:16 PM  

grinding_journalist: Dahnkster: [s1.hubimg.com image 520x313]

[www.bloomberg.com image 627x418]
[www.jdavidstein.com image 800x419][i1005.photobucket.com image 850x566]

Interesting math-number charts. What are you trying to prove, exactly? I *think* I might know, but if my notions are correct, half of your graphs contradict the point you want the other half to make.

So, what exactly?


That "school violence by years" chart has to be the worst thing I've ever seen. The fact that they have to split it out into 25 year bars pretty much proves there IS NO school violence annually, at least, none that matters. See, I can use fancy Latin legal terms: de minimis. Even 60 deaths in school by violence, in a 25 year period (1975-1999) is so few as to be virtually zero when divided by the number of kids in school.

Moreover, that doesn't explain what "violence" is (I'm assuming deaths, because otherwise "60" means nothing) and wndhat a "school" is. Does that include the Vietnam protests of the early 70's? Does it include colleges (which means, for instance, Kent State is in there)? Is it only public schools (which removes the Amish school shooting)? Is it only child-on-child violence (which removes not only Kent State, but also the Sacramento schoolyard shooting)? Does it include gang-related violence (which inflates things in the 80's before anti-gang policies went into effect)? Are day-care centers included (that gets the Murrah Building fatalities into your count)?

Your "mass shooting" chart isn't any better, btw. For purposes of the FBI and VICAP, any shooting where more than four people are shot is a "mass shooting". So that includes Columbine and Aurora Theater and Virginia Tech; it also includes countless murder/suicides here in So Cal; gang shootings without number; it would EXCLUDE, for instance, the Reagan assassination attempt (only three people shot, one died).

Oh, and your use of "res ipsa loquitur" in this context is somewhat odd. The concept of res ipsa in legal terminology means "the thing happens of itself," or, more colloquially, "shiat happens." In court it means that a thing is unlikely to occur absent negligence. So what is your point? That shootings will happen no matter what? I mean, that would be MY point, but it seems strange that it would be YOUR point.
 
2014-03-04 11:40:32 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: Carousel Beast: sobriquet by any other name: I hate to say it, but that's a pretty effective way of getting the point across to kids that the shiny show-n-tell special is NOT something you should bring to school.... no matter how many times your drunk dad packed a piece in your backpack and a banana in his holster.

It actually a real problem, all the more so with lax gun laws. If you want one, don't be surprised at the other, at least. It is a building full of irreplaceable stuff after all.

That's a whole lot of derp right there.

sure *I* believe you, but can you help phrase it for conveying to the Parent-Teachers Association why it's bad? No foul language and under a minute, if you don't mind.


I can't even begin to dumb it down enough for you to get it. You presuppose so much in your rambling that I don't think we have a common enough worldview to communicate.
 
2014-03-04 11:47:46 PM  
You send me to a gun-petter blog complete with bullet hole in the logo, but then complain about Bloomberg and Mother Jones as reliable source material... Hmm, Interdasting.

Oddly enough, I had JUST read some of the material from that sight while looking for gun violence statistics and charts.

Perhaps you should reread your material yourself. His "point" is trying to compare the number of gun permit holders to licensed motor vehicle operators. Talk about false equivalences. He then attempts to "unskew" his own data by removing suicides and gun "accidents" from the number of gun deaths. His charts do seem to match up well with mine the fact that gun deaths were at an all time high in the 1980's and 1990's. His FBI murder rate is given in percentages rather than total number , which makes for completely different looking graph as opposed to total number of deaths.
He also adds comparative US map graphic showing number of states that have added "Right to Carry" legislation which as far as I can tell has zero cause-effect to any salient point... unless he is trying to claim that when gun violence was at an all time high it was because there was less people with CCP. BTW, I am a huge advocate of CCP.

His second map shows increased number of CCP. Not surprised in the least there is an increase in Republican-controlled statehouses. The NRA and ALEC are strong lobbyist and the far-right noise machine is good at getting out a message of fear and woe. Again, I see no bearing to cause-effect. I could make the same useless argument that there were more white zinfadel drinkers and leg warmers in the 90's during peak gun violence. His FBI murder rates go up to 2005. I make no argument against his FBI murder percentages, other than to add that murder numbers have risen slightly during the past 10 years... same as with my figures. Overall violent crime is down. I can't see one single place where I claimed otherwise. Mass shootings are up (Aurora,CO Sandy Hook et al) and that's why many of these silly 'zero tolerance' in school were enacted... Often at the insistence of parents insisting their children be kept 'safe'.

The rest of your link is all about "gun grabbers" and the Constitution. That's certainly no surprise.
Did I say anything about getting rid of guns? No. In fact, I mentioned that I was an avid hunter, and target shooter, who enjoys teaching young people about safety and proper firearm usage. I hope you get a good night's rest.

As for your "I will carve shapes into the tongue of the next person to use that non-word" to super-grass and your name-calling tirade, I'll just put that down to late night grouchiness. Toodles.
 
2014-03-04 11:47:57 PM  

gja: DrBenway: Why do you think God created elbows?

To know where to stop in your mom?

/ducks and covers
//i keed!


Nah, that's what the kneecaps were for.
 
2014-03-04 11:59:29 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
Must be holding an imaginary AR-15.
 
2014-03-05 12:45:11 AM  

whatshisname: Dad can stick a loaded weapon in his jacket and go to the mall. Junior can't point his finger at someone. Anyone else seeing a disconnect here?


Yeah but did Junior have a concealed carry permit?
 
2014-03-05 12:46:29 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: Relatively Obscure: They can send out notes saying "any and all child-like behavior from children will not be tolerated," but people will probably still be annoyed when kids kicked out of school for it.

I don't think I want to know a six-year-old who isn't a dreamer, or a sillyheart. And I sure don't want to know one who takes their student career seriously. I don't have a college degree. I don't even have a job. But I know a good kid when I see one. Because they're ALL good kids, until dried-out, brain-dead skags like you drag them down and convince them they're no good. You so much as scowl at my niece, or any other kid in this school, and I hear about it, and I'm coming looking for you!

Take this quarter, go downtown, and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face! Good day to you, madam.


Thank you Uncle Buck! One of the best lines in the movies.
 
2014-03-05 12:52:49 AM  

Calmamity: Sin_City_Superhero: No sympathy.

Fingers, man. A 10 year old kid with fingers.

Your scorn is woefully misplaced.


i can relate cause i have fingers. but i have not been ten for quite some time. still very childish though.
 
2014-03-05 12:53:21 AM  
When the kid gets into class he ought to play dead...and shoot for a whole weeks vacation.
 
2014-03-05 01:15:50 AM  

Dadoody: Welcome to Libtard Land.

[images.sodahead.com image 480x480]

[lh4.ggpht.com image 353x512]


When you dial it up to potato with every post you're just asking to become Miss Ignore List 2014.
 
2014-03-05 01:18:06 AM  
The stupid, it burns


// make the teacher a Native American, slapsho
 
2014-03-05 02:20:05 AM  

grinding_journalist: Mine eyes have seen the glory of the burning of the school
We're torturing the teachers and we're breaking all the rules
We broke into the office and we hung the principal
The kids go marching home
Glory, glory hallelujah
Teacher hit me with a ruler
I met her at the door with a loaded .44
and the teacher ain't my teacher no more.

I went to grade school in the early 90s. We used to sing this (or variants of it) on the playground. I'm certain older farkers did too. Today, I'm 100% certain it'd get a kid suspended or expelled.

/i will teach this song to my son


Also, Alice Cooper's "School's Out."
 
2014-03-05 02:59:16 AM  

yakmans_dad: blindpreacher: You can thank the feminization of our school system for this.

Nonsense. My little sister had something similar happen to her. In 1963. Dumbo, over-reaction by school officials wasn't invented last week.


Exactly. Your sister. 50 years later it's happened to the boys. Feminization.
 
2014-03-05 03:36:41 AM  
imageshack.com
 
2014-03-05 04:15:58 AM  

Dahnkster: [s1.hubimg.com image 520x313]

[www.bloomberg.com image 627x418]
[www.jdavidstein.com image 800x419][i1005.photobucket.com image 850x566]


you cite Bloomberg and mother jones for gun related stats?! many lol's
 
gja
2014-03-05 07:11:42 AM  

Dahnkster: You send me to a gun-petter blog complete with bullet hole in the logo, but then complain about Bloomberg and Mother Jones as reliable source material... Hmm, Interdasting.

Oddly enough, I had JUST read some of the material from that sight while looking for gun violence statistics and charts.

Perhaps you should reread your material yourself. His "point" is trying to compare the number of gun permit holders to licensed motor vehicle operators. Talk about false equivalences. He then attempts to "unskew" his own data by removing suicides and gun "accidents" from the number of gun deaths. His charts do seem to match up well with mine the fact that gun deaths were at an all time high in the 1980's and 1990's. His FBI murder rate is given in percentages rather than total number , which makes for completely different looking graph as opposed to total number of deaths.
He also adds comparative US map graphic showing number of states that have added "Right to Carry" legislation which as far as I can tell has zero cause-effect to any salient point... unless he is trying to claim that when gun violence was at an all time high it was because there was less people with CCP. BTW, I am a huge advocate of CCP.

His second map shows increased number of CCP. Not surprised in the least there is an increase in Republican-controlled statehouses. The NRA and ALEC are strong lobbyist and the far-right noise machine is good at getting out a message of fear and woe. Again, I see no bearing to cause-effect. I could make the same useless argument that there were more white zinfadel drinkers and leg warmers in the 90's during peak gun violence. His FBI murder rates go up to 2005. I make no argument against his FBI murder percentages, other than to add that murder numbers have risen slightly during the past 10 years... same as with my figures. Overall violent crime is down. I can't see one single place where I claimed otherwise. Mass shootings are up (Aurora,CO Sandy Hook et al) and that's why many of these silly 'zero tolerance' in school were enacted... Often at the insistence of parents insisting their children be kept 'safe'.

The rest of your link is all about "gun grabbers" and the Constitution. That's certainly no surprise.
Did I say anything about getting rid of guns? No. In fact, I mentioned that I was an avid hunter, and target shooter, who enjoys teaching young people about safety and proper firearm usage. I hope you get a good night's rest.

As for your "I will carve shapes into the tongue of the next person to use that non-word" to super-grass and your name-calling tirade, I'll just put that down to late night grouchiness. Toodles.


My comment to SG was humor. DUH. Not too quick on the uptake?
So was my comment to DrB. Even HE got it. Lord you need a sense of humor.

On to your post for the charts.
Percentages are the RIGHT way to approach these number.
Ignore, and stop dragging into the argument his tangential mentions of causational factors. I don't care what causes the numbers.
Only that he used proper sources that can have their veracity verified. FBI stats are valid. CDC stats are valid too.
You failed to "show your work". Hence you fail. Just like in an engineering exam. If your sources were good why the fight about showing them?

I know the sites' (do try to use the right words) point is something to express his misplaced angst over gun regs.
But where the charts are concerned his data is excellent and logic is good. The analysis he arrives at is well thought out and clear.
You don't like it. Too bad. I don't like his political leanings. That's too bad as well. That's not why I presented it.
It was a direct rebuttal for your charts, with no offered source save the BB chart, and we all know who runs that place and their leanings.

As far as MJ site? Nobody takes that seriously. Don't be obtuse.
 
gja
2014-03-05 07:13:40 AM  
Dahnkster: I present easily verifiable charts

List sources or BS. The BB chart is sourced. You get a pass on the source for that one, but not the data, which I have given you a source that tears it to small pieces.


And still you refuse to post your sources for the other charts......
Maybe you just wrangled them up without really reading about them?
 
gja
2014-03-05 07:22:05 AM  

Fish_Fight!: Dahnkster: [s1.hubimg.com image 520x313]

[www.bloomberg.com image 627x418]
[www.jdavidstein.com image 800x419][i1005.photobucket.com image 850x566]

you cite Bloomberg and mother jones for gun related stats?! many lol's


I especially love BB for anything to do with guns.
Mike is an elitist asshole who would have us eating what he dictates and all guns removed from private citizens.
The whole WORLD knows how he rolls. Point: the only mayor in HISTORY to bypass term limits. Do you really need to know more about him?
His ego is unfathomably massive.

Mother Jones is a collection of pseudo-journalistic wanna-bes. If they were really any good they would be on serious media.
 
gja
2014-03-05 07:23:18 AM  

DrBenway: gja: DrBenway: Why do you think God created elbows?

To know where to stop in your mom?

/ducks and covers
//i keed!

Nah, that's what the kneecaps were for.


At least you don't risk losing your watch........
 
2014-03-05 07:32:47 AM  
"Don't make death threats" is an easy rule to follow. Sorry your kid is so dumb and that you're terrible parents.
 
2014-03-05 07:41:18 AM  
Anyone else laugh reading "it blows my mind"?
 
2014-03-05 07:48:09 AM  
Zero tolerance intelligence.
 
2014-03-05 08:04:03 AM  

Herne2009: OMG!!!  A level 2, the horror.  Thank fully the administrators managed to stop this kid in his tracks before he developed Level 3 finger gun technology.  I'm having an attack of the vapour just at the thought.


www.mobygames.com

One more finger level, and he can make an Obelisk of Light. If the kid raises his hand in the "We're number 1" gesture he can instantly vaporise any classmate.
 
2014-03-05 08:37:55 AM  
Sin_City_Superhero [TotalFark]
2014-03-04 04:34:35 PM


Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

Aren't you a good little nazi.


obey
 
2014-03-05 08:56:27 AM  
 
2014-03-05 09:51:13 AM  

blindpreacher: yakmans_dad: blindpreacher: You can thank the feminization of our school system for this.

Nonsense. My little sister had something similar happen to her. In 1963. Dumbo, over-reaction by school officials wasn't invented last week.

Exactly. Your sister. 50 years later it's happened to the boys. Feminization.


I'm very slow these days. Like a sloth. It didn't occur to me until this morning that outside of a convent there has traditionally never been a more feminine domain than schools.
 
2014-03-05 09:54:30 AM  

gja: favorited!!

 
2014-03-05 10:12:27 AM  

Target Builder: In the Columbus City Schools District, where Nathan goes to school, 12 students were expelled because of incidents in the "firearm look-a-likes" category, while 69 students were suspended. Contrast that with categories such as harassment and intimidation, in which zero students were expelled, though 1527 were suspended district-wide.

Note: Actual harrassment and actual intimidation/bullying resulted in zero expulsions, while a dozen kids were expelled for "firearm lookalikes".

It's apparently better to harass and bully other children than to point some fingers at someone.


It is CCS so none of this should surprise anyone, things will get much better now that Gene Harris is gone /s.
 
2014-03-05 10:32:36 AM  

Callous: sobriquet by any other name: I hate to say it, but that's a pretty effective way of getting the point across to kids that the shiny show-n-tell special is NOT something you should bring to school.... no matter how many times your drunk dad packed a piece in your backpack and a banana in his holster.

It actually a real problem, all the more so with lax gun laws. If you want one, don't be surprised at the other, at least. It is a building full of irreplaceable stuff after all.

Can you try and come up with something even remotely true?  That's an awful lot of words used to express "I have no clue what I'm talking about".


And favorited.
 
gja
2014-03-05 11:16:34 AM  

Dahnkster: gja: favorited!!


Goodcat.jpg
 
2014-03-05 11:49:20 AM  
Concealed carry:

cdn0.cosmosmagazine.com
 
2014-03-05 01:29:54 PM  

ko_kyi: I drunk what: and don't even get me started on deaf students who sign the letter L

At my kid's school the Deaf boy Greg got asked to stop spelling his name in ASL because it makes a gun shape.  No shiat.


OnlyM3: I drunk what: and don't even get me started on deaf students who sign the letter L


Public school officials in New Jersey threatened a 12-year-old deaf girl with suspension - for communicating in sign language.

The young girl, Danica Lesko, and her parents say that sign language is the only way she is able to effectively communicate. She lost most of her hearing in a November accident.

School officials from Stonybrook School in Branchburg, New Jersey, say that signing is a "safety hazard."

and ...


A 3 year-old deaf boy in Lincoln, Nebraska is being bullied by public school officials to change his name
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Liberal utopia's thanks to teacher's unions.


img.fark.net

u gaiz i got a possible suicide, send backup

and he has really bad aim
 
2014-03-05 08:43:46 PM  

gja: Kumana Wanalaia: gja: Kumana Wanalaia: Kids aren't allowed to say the F word in class. Does it happen? yes. Are there consequences? yes. Is it excusable because kids have no self control and are therefore inherently free from responsibility for their actions? no.

Two words:
False
Equivalencies

One is a filthy word with a near universal connotation.
The other is a playtime gesture.

They're both things that adults have told the children not to do.
The fact that one is vulgarity and the other is pretend violence doesn't mitigate the prohibition.

If "but it was fun" becomes an excuse, that's a problem.

Again we come to "listen unquestioningly to all you are dictated".
Screw that. And screw anyone who pulls such assholishness.


If you're going to put words in my mouth then screw you too, buddy.

I hope your kids grow up to be prison inmates.
 
2014-03-05 09:34:02 PM  
gja: you started out arguing that kids couldn't help themselves from acting out, then you switched it up to "the rules are wrong".

Either you think the second argument is the weaker one, or you think it's less relevant.

Both ways, you are a loser.
 
2014-03-06 06:16:28 AM  

gja: Dahnkster: gja: favorited!!

Goodcat.jpg


he sure showed you what for!
 
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