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(CNN)   What used to be called imagination is now called "A Level 2 look alike firearm", and will get your 10 year old a 3 day suspension   (cnn.com) divider line 267
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2014-03-04 07:01:28 PM
Give those little free willed farkers an early education in strict authoritarianism, that will work.

Next offense, JAIL!
 
2014-03-04 07:01:47 PM
So zero tolerance here is good.

Zero tolerance for the chick who fired a "warning shot" at her ex is bad.

I LOVE hypocrisy.
 
2014-03-04 07:01:57 PM

Dadoody: Welcome to Libtard Land.

[images.sodahead.com image 480x480]



an informed conservative!!! LOL!

you mean a hi-info voter don't you, a Fox News viewer, a Rushbot.

/LOL
 
2014-03-04 07:02:35 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
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It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.


Fark that noise plain and simple. If you throw a bunch of arbitrary rules at a child they will break them. If the rules are borderline retarted the child will break them. 10 year olds have been making play weapons since forever. If you want to micro manage a childs behavior you can try all you want, and you will fail miserably at it

I mean you can try to put a square peg into a round hole if you want. It might even work to. But the peg and the hole will be damaged for life.

did the child hurt themselves or someone else? Did they create a large distraction or disruption to class? Would anybody have even known about it if you did not make a stink about it?

if no then shut up and get back to teaching class.
 
2014-03-04 07:02:39 PM

meanmutton: I don't know what kind of school you went to but the punishment for what you described above where I went to school might have been a trip to the principal's office and a call to your parents. It certainly wasn't a three day suspension.


This.
 
2014-03-04 07:03:09 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.

When is the last time you talked to a ten year old child?


Obeying the new rule doesn't seem to be much of a problem for all the other ten year olds now does it? Don't you think its possible just maybe the kid got punished not because of the gesture but because there is a rule and this spoiled little shiat decided to ignore it when none of the other children did. My guess is dear dad saw the notice wadded it up and told the kid he could ignore the rule because freedom and stuff. I super duper double dog dare any of you to try and tell me right wing dipshiats never hide behind the children.

/responsible gun owner before you even start that crap derps. In my house guns were deadly serious business. If I had pretended to shoot someone even with my finger the teacher wouldn't have be the one punishing me.

//raised by Vietnam vet
 
2014-03-04 07:03:33 PM
At least it wasn't an Assault Pop Tart
www.glennbeck.com
 
2014-03-04 07:03:46 PM

scottydoesntknow: EvilEgg: Would he still be in trouble if the thumb wasn't raised?

Of course not. That means the hammer is forward and the gun can't fire. It's totally safe at that point.


Rule 1) A weapon is always loaded.
 
2014-03-04 07:04:06 PM

scottydoesntknow: EvilEgg: Would he still be in trouble if the thumb wasn't raised?

Of course not. That means the hammer is forward and the gun can't fire. It's totally safe at that point.


There was this innovation something like 160 years ago called "double action".  Seems to me, that would be a stronger punishment since the kid is obviously using a more advanced firearm.
 
2014-03-04 07:04:18 PM
The pussification continues. But wait "think of the children" and how we are protecting them. What a load of horse crap. How in God's name is this suspension supposed to show any intelligence on the behalf of the school system.

It makes me wonder where have all the wise men gone? It sure seems that the school boards are run by a bunch of idiots. I really wonder what effect these stupid rules will have on the children. Rules that even a 5 year old thinks are stupid should really been dropped.
 
2014-03-04 07:05:34 PM
He should have held out his palm and said 'here's my concealed carry permit'.
 
2014-03-04 07:05:39 PM
"How much of a threat can it really be for a 10-year-old to hold up his fingers?" said a frustrated Entingh. "I would like for somebody to explain this to me because apparently I don't get it. This is way over the boundary. A teacher could have talked to him and sat him down, given him detention, but a three days suspension?"

This is what happens when extremism becomes normalised. Giving him a stern lecture or a detention is not a just, fair or rational response yet that is taken as some sort of moderate or sane position simply for being less extreme.


What would be sane would be for this to have been a complete non-issue and for no one to have batted an eye at a child making a gun shape with his fingers and saying "bang."
 
2014-03-04 07:06:35 PM
The only solution is to have a "Point your fingers like a gun day". If everyone did it then what are they going to do?
 
2014-03-04 07:07:50 PM

blanchae: The pussification continues. But wait "think of the children" and how we are protecting them. What a load of horse crap. How in God's name is this suspension supposed to show any intelligence on the behalf of the school system.

It makes me wonder where have all the wise men gone? It sure seems that the school boards are run by a bunch of idiots. I really wonder what effect these stupid rules will have on the children. Rules that even a 5 year old thinks are stupid should really been dropped.


I'm glad you brought that up.

It's backseat living (i mean making excuses for behavior that is contrary to the lifestyle you've chosen) that keeps most Christians Christian. My goodness, if they actually had to follow the rules laid down by their savior creator, they wouldn't be religious.  It's nice to have the ability to cherry pick what you want to agree with/follow/adhere to rather than actually be held accountable for your beliefs.

/not directed at you, just glad you brought it up.
 
2014-03-04 07:08:22 PM
Keep shiatting our pants, America. you are the land of the free (unless you fly) and the home of the brave (unless you go to school, vote, walk drive, or exist) because the "Terrorists" have won.
They beat you.

....However matters may go in Bawstin or with the (insert any) Government or with another (Insert any) Government, we in this iand and in the American Empire will never lose our sense of comradeship with the French people. If we are now called upon to endure what they have suffered we shall emulate their "courage", and if final victory rewards our toils they shall share the gains, aye. And freedom shall be restored to all. We abate nothing of our just demands-Czechs, Poles, Norwegians, Dutch, Belgians, all who have joined their causes to our own shall be restored.
What
But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new dark age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted spying. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves, that if the American Empire and its Constitution last for a thousand years, men will still say,  This was their finest hour.

Pussies.
 
2014-03-04 07:09:04 PM

ScaryBottles: Obeying the new rule doesn't seem to be much of a problem for all the other ten year olds now does it? Don't you think its possible just maybe the kid got punished not because of the gesture but because there is a rule and this spoiled little shiat decided to ignore it when none of the other children did.


I see that as a problem with the other 10 year olds.  Why weren't they breaking this stupid rule?

// Spent a lot of time breaking stupid rules as a kid.
// Today I'd probably be thrown out of school and put on a terrorist watch list.
 
2014-03-04 07:09:26 PM
The issue is less the rule or the school's right to enforce it than the excessive character of the punishment for such a petty offense.


Things that should have come well before a 3 day suspension, not necessarily in preferred order:

1) a note to the parents.

2) a trip to the principal's office, and a phone call to the parents.

3) staying inside at recess

4) detention

5) in school suspension

6) one day suspension

I'm not saying the school should have been obliged to do all of these things before a 3 day suspension. Just some of them. Maybe only one or two.
 
2014-03-04 07:09:31 PM

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THAT is fantastic
 
2014-03-04 07:09:35 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.


"Gun-related behavior". There was no gun.
 
2014-03-04 07:11:02 PM

doglover: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

No. The school's in the wrong here.

The Nazis had very good beauracracy. So did Mao and Stalin. None of them were in the right.


When you love a dog, you beat it into submission if you have to. White Fang was a much better dog after Master punched him in his stupid dog face a bunch of times. If the kid was warned and did it anyway, no sympathy. Note the appropriate administrative action didn't include a beating (much to my dismay). Anyone happen to catch the kid's name? Was it Corky? Was it in the article?
 
2014-03-04 07:11:10 PM
I read stuff like this and wish I had a kid to torture teachers through.

I'm sure sending report cards back to teachers scoring them on the low bar of public education could be fun. "Your teaching a fourth grade class at a third grade level. You can do better, I know you have it in you!"

/kid gets brownies for provoking a teacher to lose temper
 
2014-03-04 07:11:14 PM

ScaryBottles: Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.

When is the last time you talked to a ten year old child?

Obeying the new rule doesn't seem to be much of a problem for all the other ten year olds now does it? Don't you think its possible just maybe the kid got punished not because of the gesture but because there is a rule and this spoiled little shiat decided to ignore it when none of the other children did. My guess is dear dad saw the notice wadded it up and told the kid he could ignore the rule because freedom and stuff. I super duper double dog dare any of you to try and tell me right wing dipshiats never hide behind the children.

/responsible gun owner before you even start that crap derps. In my house guns were deadly serious business. If I had pretended to shoot someone even with my finger the teacher wouldn't have be the one punishing me.

//raised by Vietnam vet


Do you even know what a kid is?

A spoiled shiat who doesn't follow the rules is in EVERY classroom. It's always a boy. He always does the opposite of what he's told. If he's taken down to the office, ten minutes later his buddy steps in to fill the role.

If we punished every kid who delibrately did what you told him not to with three day's suspention there'd be a national emergency declared as 40% of all parents had to take three days off work.
 
2014-03-04 07:12:07 PM
I'm starting to wonder if all you parents were present at the school board meeting that covered this zero tolerance policy?
 
2014-03-04 07:12:16 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Teacher: "Don't do that."

Kid: "But it's not hurting anybody."

Teacher: "I know, but it's against school policy.

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I told you to knock that shiat off!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "Yo, little homie, I told you to stop doing that! Don't do it again!"

Kid: **does it again**

Teacher: "I have repeatedly asked you to conform to the rules of this school. Since you refuse to do so, I have no choice but to suspend you."

Kid's Parent: "Wha..? Suspended? But they only warned him forty or fifty times!"
--------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------

It's a stupid rule to be sure, but it ain't like the kid and the dad didn't know the consequences. They were just suffering from the it-can't-happen-to-me syndrome. When they realize that it can, in fact, happen to them, they act shocked.

When is the last time you talked to a ten year old child?


He's not allowed to anymore,  there was some... unpleasantness,  now lets never speak of this again.
 
2014-03-04 07:13:18 PM

fredklein: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

"Gun-related behavior". There was no gun.


So you're saying his behavior bore no relationship whatsoever to guns?
 
2014-03-04 07:13:41 PM

Baz744: The issue is less the rule or the school's right to enforce it than the excessive character of the punishment for such a petty offense.


Things that should have come well before a 3 day suspension, not necessarily in preferred order:

1) a note to the parents.

2) a trip to the principal's office, and a phone call to the parents.

3) staying inside at recess

4) detention

5) in school suspension

6) one day suspension

I'm not saying the school should have been obliged to do all of these things before a 3 day suspension. Just some of them. Maybe only one or two.


Baz744?  That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection to this policy.

Overruled.
 
2014-03-04 07:14:04 PM
More efforts to 'pussify' American children to be 'in touch with their feelings' and not stand up for themselves from bullys and gender ignorant teachers.

BOYS PLAY VIOLENT GAMES, GIRLS DO TOO AT TIMES!

But it has been proven time and again, get kids together and boys will act like boys and play violent themed games, cowboys and indians, war, cops and robbers, so your zero tollerance program is getting kids ready to be arrested and hauled to jail for playing like a kid!

We need to stomp on the school boards, but parents are cowed by the TEACHER FEAR they carry from when they were kids and not willing to stand up to them...
 
2014-03-04 07:14:51 PM
10 yr olds are old enough to know what "knock that shiat off" means and when it is appropriate to do so.
 
2014-03-04 07:14:57 PM

MJMaloney187: doglover: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

No. The school's in the wrong here.

The Nazis had very good beauracracy. So did Mao and Stalin. None of them were in the right.

When you love a dog, you beat it into submission if you have to. White Fang was a much better dog after Master punched him in his stupid dog face a bunch of times. If the kid was warned and did it anyway, no sympathy. Note the appropriate administrative action didn't include a beating (much to my dismay). Anyone happen to catch the kid's name? Was it Corky? Was it in the article?


White Fang was a work of fiction by the 19th century's version of Michal Bay. You never beat dogs. Not unless they're attack you and you're armed only with a bludgeon.
 
2014-03-04 07:15:09 PM

lifeboat: Baz744? That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection to this policy.

Overruled.


I object and except, for the record, your honor. : )
 
2014-03-04 07:15:21 PM
You see Meg, finger banging is just fine for a girl your age. Whaddya say we give it a try right now.

www.laughspin.com
 
2014-03-04 07:17:59 PM

Baz744: So you're saying his behavior bore no relationship whatsoever to guns?


No more than my back yard swing set was related to time travel.
 
2014-03-04 07:18:44 PM
In the Columbus City Schools District, where Nathan goes to school, 12 students were expelled because of incidents in the "firearm look-a-likes" category, while 69 students were suspended. Contrast that with categories such as harassment and intimidation, in which zero students were expelled, though 1527 were suspended district-wide.

Note: Actual harrassment and actual intimidation/bullying resulted in zero expulsions, while a dozen kids were expelled for "firearm lookalikes".

It's apparently better to harass and bully other children than to point some fingers at someone.
 
2014-03-04 07:19:34 PM
My wife's comment is how about a 3 day in school suspension instead, definitely a punishment (because hey, you still have to go to school instead of being on the Xbox) and a way to be sure they actually do some school work.  I doubt most kids with 2 brain cells watching this would mess around in the future.  That said the over-reaction to finger guns is a bit disturbing, but I guess this is where we are now.
 
2014-03-04 07:19:36 PM
It's almost as if zero tolerance policies are stupid or something, especially when applied to young children.
 
2014-03-04 07:20:11 PM

ScaryBottles: Obeying the new rule doesn't seem to be much of a problem for all the other ten year olds now does it?


I have no idea.  I didn't see any of the childrens behavior.  I bet you didn't either.  The teacher was the only witness, if we're to believe them.

But it doesn't change the fact that zero tolerance policies are completely and utterly retarded.
 
2014-03-04 07:24:08 PM

gadian: 10 yr olds are old enough to know what "knock that shiat off" means and when it is appropriate to do so.


It's too bad there were no teachers around to teach this child how to behave.

Oh, wait, this WAS a teacher.

A teacher that sucks ass and isn't afraid to admit it.  A teacher that can't even teach a 10 year old to "knock it off", as you put it.

Sounds like this teacher has failed completely at their job and should be fired.
 
2014-03-04 07:24:26 PM

blanchae: The pussification continues. But wait "think of the children" and how we are protecting them. What a load of horse crap. How in God's name is this suspension supposed to show any intelligence on the behalf of the school system.

It makes me wonder where have all the wise men gone? It sure seems that the school boards are run by a bunch of idiots. I really wonder what effect these stupid rules will have on the children. Rules that even a 5 year old thinks are stupid should really been dropped.


all the wise men got tired of the retards and retired. thus the panzie school state continues.
 
2014-03-04 07:25:27 PM

BMFPitt: Baz744: So you're saying his behavior bore no relationship whatsoever to guns?

No more than my back yard swing set was related to time travel.


There's a fancy Latin name for that kind of fallacy.

The question isn't what relationship fingers have with guns, nor what relationship swingsets have with time travel. The question is what relationship the behavior of pretending your fingers are a gun has with guns, or what relationship pretending your swingset is a time machine has with time travel.
 
2014-03-04 07:25:29 PM
I wonder what their rules are regarding different levels of simulated sex.
 
2014-03-04 07:25:36 PM
They have levels for this shiat now?

What the fark is happening to this country?
 
2014-03-04 07:26:34 PM
I was a teenager during the Columbine shootings.  Sometime during the year after it happened, I was walking down the hallway and saw a teacher of mine.  I pointed my fingers at him like a gun and said "bang".  You know what he did?

Pointed his fingers and shot me back.

That's it.

I'm sure he could have gotten me suspended if he wanted to, but he's not an idiot.  He was a good teacher who knew I was screwing around so he played along.
 
2014-03-04 07:28:28 PM
so let me see if I have this right:  the USA cracks down on toy guns but wants everyone packing as an adult?

make up your mind, 'merica
 
2014-03-04 07:29:34 PM

Baz744: fredklein: Sin_City_Superhero: Entingh said he never received a notice, but was aware of school authorities telling students, including Nathan, that any gun-related behavior would have serious consequences.

Your kid was warned. You knew about your kid being warned. Yet you act all surprised that your kid got suspended? No sympathy.

"Gun-related behavior". There was no gun.

So you're saying his behavior bore no relationship whatsoever to guns?


When I was little, I had a herd of plastic horses. They were horse-shaped. However, in a pinch we would take them and hold them by the tail or legs and use them as guns. (Often blasters, because Star Wars)

Did that behavior bear any relationship to guns?

He was a kid being a kid and going bang. That's not "gun-related behavior", that's kid-related behavior. Was he beating his classmates, or threatening them with actual physical harm? Was he yelling and screaming Bang! I'm going to kill all of you when I go home and get my dad's gun! Or did he just make an "L" shape with his fingers and say Bang?

All this business about how he needed a lecture, or a stern talking to, or counseling to see why he was "acting out" are also missing the mark. Kids play. Or, at least, they used to. Now any kind of play that consists of anything beyond gaping at the wall is "acting out" and in need of therapy. I find that alarming, to say the least.
 
2014-03-04 07:29:44 PM

Calmamity: Fingers, man. A 10 year old kid with fingers.



Imagine if had he mimed tossing a grenade!!  He'd be on trial as an enemy combatant, sitting in some black hole at Gitmo!!!
 
2014-03-04 07:30:00 PM
just make sure you get a REAL gun as soon as legally possible, it's the patriotic thing to do.
 
2014-03-04 07:30:33 PM
I'd tell my kid..."Wrong finger, kid.  It's the next finger, and point it at your principal".

blog.sportscolumn.com

That's my boy!
 
2014-03-04 07:31:06 PM
i.imgflip.com
 
2014-03-04 07:31:23 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Sin_City_Superhero: Your kid was warned

And 10 year olds are known for their ability to model their behavior to conform to arbitrary adult standards.  That's why they make such good witnesses in a court of law.

Public schools are completely and utterly retarded, and zero tolerance is just the icing on the two neuron cake.


THIS!

Look for the union label!
 
2014-03-04 07:31:24 PM
The pants-wetters have won. Commence with full retardation of the nation.
 
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