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2014-03-04 06:40:48 PM
And they're still over the cap. They cleared $16.8 with a few restructures (by "cleared" I mean "put off til next year") and are still $1.5mil over the f*cking cap...IN A YEAR WHEN THE CAP IS $8 MILLION HIGHER THAN ANYONE EXPECTED IT TO BE

It's almost like Jerry Jones sucks at GMing or something.
 
2014-03-04 06:41:46 PM
Nobody cares about Tony Romo anymore.

Is this the NHL trade deadline thread?
 
2014-03-04 06:45:36 PM
Yes, he still has that contract, but now even more is guaranteed. Dallas is just delaying the pain
 
2014-03-04 06:55:33 PM

Klivian: Yes, he still has that contract, but now even more is guaranteed. Dallas is just delaying the pain


came to say this
 
2014-03-04 06:56:27 PM
Beware DWare.

You gone.
 
2014-03-04 07:08:17 PM
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2014-03-04 07:09:51 PM
Well this should allow them to get that one final piece that will put them over the hump and win...

/by win I mean having a winning season not actually winning anything important...
 
2014-03-04 07:12:02 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Well this should allow them to get that one final piece that will put them over the hump and win...

/by win I mean having a winning season not actually winning anything important...


Still over the cap, actually.
 
2014-03-04 07:19:29 PM
Romo wasnt gilt in a day.
 
2014-03-04 07:27:40 PM

Shame Us: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Well this should allow them to get that one final piece that will put them over the hump and win...

/by win I mean having a winning season not actually winning anything important...

Still over the cap, actually.


Unless they cut their center and Miles Austin... which may still happen. Which will give them some added cap space to keep DeMarcus Ware.
 
2014-03-04 07:31:36 PM

ClavellBCMI: Shame Us: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Well this should allow them to get that one final piece that will put them over the hump and win...

/by win I mean having a winning season not actually winning anything important...

Still over the cap, actually.

Unless they cut their center and Miles Austin... which may still happen. Which will give them some added cap space to keep DeMarcus Ware.


Word is that they've already asked Ware to take a paycut. Not a restructure, but a paycut. You don't do that unless you're prepared to cut him.
 
2014-03-04 07:32:17 PM
Anyone know how changing that much of his salary to a signing bonus affects things, aside from having the bonus part not count against the cap? If signing bonuses don't count against the salary cap, then why wouldn't teams pretty much always structure contracts so that the majority of the money is classified as a signing bonus?

Is it that signing bonuses are guaranteed money?
 
2014-03-04 07:32:38 PM

ClavellBCMI: Shame Us: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Well this should allow them to get that one final piece that will put them over the hump and win...

/by win I mean having a winning season not actually winning anything important...

Still over the cap, actually.

Unless they cut their center and Miles Austin... which may still happen. Which will give them some added cap space to keep DeMarcus Ware.


And now Jerruh is muttering words about trying to get DeMarcus Ware to once again take one for the team and re-negotiate downwards. DiAtribe, I hate to say this, but it sounds like your owner is telling your GM to make your 'Boys suck again next year.
 
2014-03-04 07:33:56 PM
When you have to restructure your star players contract after a year that is the sign of a well run team and they are still over the cap
 
2014-03-04 07:35:25 PM

Shame Us: ClavellBCMI: Shame Us: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Well this should allow them to get that one final piece that will put them over the hump and win...

/by win I mean having a winning season not actually winning anything important...

Still over the cap, actually.

Unless they cut their center and Miles Austin... which may still happen. Which will give them some added cap space to keep DeMarcus Ware.

Word is that they've already asked Ware to take a paycut. Not a restructure, but a paycut. You don't do that unless you're prepared to cut him.


Which is about the most bass-ackwards way to do things, considering the "defense" the 'Boys would have without Ware... but it is in line with the way the 'Boys GM has been doing things for some time. I'd tell the owner to fire the GM, but...
 
2014-03-04 07:37:08 PM

soopey: Nobody cares about Tony Romo anymore.

Is this the NHL trade deadline thread?


I wish.

Ironic that Luongo will be pumping Thomas' tires as teammates.

/I subbed a thread, we'll see how it goes
 
2014-03-04 07:37:19 PM

Enfenestrate: Anyone know how changing that much of his salary to a signing bonus affects things, aside from having the bonus part not count against the cap? If signing bonuses don't count against the salary cap, then why wouldn't teams pretty much always structure contracts so that the majority of the money is classified as a signing bonus?

Is it that signing bonuses are guaranteed money?


Signing bonuses do count against the cap, just not the same was base salary does. You can prorate the bonus over the life of the deal. So by giving Romo the large majority of his salary as a signing bonus, they push off the cap hit to the next few years. He has 5 years left on the deal and they converted 12.5 mill of the 13.5 mill salary due this season to a signing bonus, so that hits the cap at 2.5 mill per year now on top of his base salary. Helps this year, hurts next year.
 
2014-03-04 07:48:35 PM

Faddy: When you have to restructure your star players contract after a year that is the sign of a well run team and they are still over the cap


Think about it this way - had the Cowboys made no changes and drafted no one, they would currently be 18 million over a cap that is 8 million higher than anyone thought t would be. Teams were expecting a 126 million cap for 2014 and ended up at 133-134 million. If things had gone as the Cowboys expected them to, they would have headed into 2014 needing to clear 25-26 million from the roster of an 8-8 team. And that's without even thinking about the draft or free agency.
 
2014-03-04 07:50:11 PM

fatalvenom: soopey: Nobody cares about Tony Romo anymore.

Is this the NHL trade deadline thread?

I wish.

Ironic that Luongo will be pumping Thomas' tires as teammates.

/I subbed a thread, we'll see how it goes


By the time the thread gets greened I'll have calmed down by then. Maybe that's for the best...
 
2014-03-04 07:51:58 PM
This can all be solved by only paying teams that win.  Your position on the field along with any standout stats determines how much you are paid.  Say a base salary of 100K a year plus something like 10% of that game's share per TD or field goal, 5% for each sack and so forth.

Math time. I know, you were told there would be no math.  Suck it up buttercup.
100K a year divided into 16 games equals $6,250 per game.  Each TD would come with the 10% bonus or $625, each sack worth $312.50 and so forth.  Use an average of yards gained for another part of the pay and now you're paying for talent that produces not just for another pretty face.  

Do the same for baseball.  Base salary and a set percentage for each base achieved, extra for a home run, extra for bringing somebody home.  Don't make it enough that pay becomes the most important part of the game.  Rather it's an incentive to not play half assed.
 
2014-03-04 07:52:03 PM
NFL blinked. Brandon Browner has been reinstated. Might be a cheap option in FA for the Coywboys to toughen up the secondary.
 
2014-03-04 08:02:48 PM

4NSpy: fatalvenom: soopey: Nobody cares about Tony Romo anymore.

Is this the NHL trade deadline thread?

I wish.

Ironic that Luongo will be pumping Thomas' tires as teammates.

/I subbed a thread, we'll see how it goes

By the time the thread gets greened I'll have calmed down by then. Maybe that's for the best...


Not for our entertainment value.

Maybe the Islanders will trade for Luongo and it really will go full circle.
 
2014-03-04 08:15:12 PM

Enfenestrate: Anyone know how changing that much of his salary to a signing bonus affects things, aside from having the bonus part not count against the cap? If signing bonuses don't count against the salary cap, then why wouldn't teams pretty much always structure contracts so that the majority of the money is classified as a signing bonus?

Is it that signing bonuses are guaranteed money?


The signing bonus counts against the cap but is spread out over the length of the contract. For example if you sign someone to a 5 year deal and give them $10 million signing bonus, then each year of that 5 year contract $2 million counts against the cap.

By taking $12.5 of his salary and turning it into a signing bonus, they are simply spreading that money over the length of his contract against the cap. This makes his cap hit easier this year, but worse for each year.

If a player is ever cut, the entirety of his signing bonus accelerates into the year he is cut.

This basically makes it much more difficult to ever cut Romo if as he starts to get older.
 
2014-03-04 08:26:13 PM

Shame Us: NFL blinked. Brandon Browner has been reinstated. Might be a cheap option in FA for the Coywboys to toughen up the secondary.


"Can my team have him?" - everybody

/mainly packer fans
 
2014-03-04 08:42:25 PM
Guy thinks he deserves Flacco money.
 
2014-03-04 09:07:12 PM

Smeggy Smurf: This can all be solved by only paying teams that win.  Your position on the field along with any standout stats determines how much you are paid.  Say a base salary of 100K a year plus something like 10% of that game's share per TD or field goal, 5% for each sack and so forth.

Math time. I know, you were told there would be no math.  Suck it up buttercup.
100K a year divided into 16 games equals $6,250 per game.  Each TD would come with the 10% bonus or $625, each sack worth $312.50 and so forth.  Use an average of yards gained for another part of the pay and now you're paying for talent that produces not just for another pretty face.  

Do the same for baseball.  Base salary and a set percentage for each base achieved, extra for a home run, extra for bringing somebody home.  Don't make it enough that pay becomes the most important part of the game.  Rather it's an incentive to not play half assed.


Interesting concept except that how many years would you like the NFL shut down for? 10? 15? Next up, do you think for one minute this would do anything to lower ticket prices? All your doing is putting the money in the owners pockets.
 
2014-03-04 09:22:49 PM

thecpt: Shame Us: NFL blinked. Brandon Browner has been reinstated. Might be a cheap option in FA for the Coywboys to toughen up the secondary.

"Can my team have him?" - everybody

/mainly packer fans


I don't think you'll like him that much if he becomes your #1 CB and is constantly lined up against the opponent's best WR. Browner has never seen a double move he refuses to bite on and most teams don't have an Earl Thomas lurking back there to bail him out when he does.

/still a decent player if used correctly
//and if he passes his tests and can actually play
 
2014-03-04 09:31:53 PM

Smeggy Smurf: This can all be solved by only paying teams that win.  Your position on the field along with any standout stats determines how much you are paid.  Say a base salary of 100K a year plus something like 10% of that game's share per TD or field goal, 5% for each sack and so forth.

Math time. I know, you were told there would be no math.  Suck it up buttercup.
100K a year divided into 16 games equals $6,250 per game.  Each TD would come with the 10% bonus or $625, each sack worth $312.50 and so forth.  Use an average of yards gained for another part of the pay and now you're paying for talent that produces not just for another pretty face.  

Do the same for baseball.  Base salary and a set percentage for each base achieved, extra for a home run, extra for bringing somebody home.  Don't make it enough that pay becomes the most important part of the game.  Rather it's an incentive to not play half assed.


Have you ever been in a pro sports player's association? I'm thinking no.

Have you ever negotiated a athlete's contract for a pro team? I'm thinking no.

Have you ever taken an economics course? I'm thinking no.

I've only done one of the three and that's more than it took to realize how completely ineffectual and poorly conceived this rule would be.
 
2014-03-04 09:35:46 PM
Cowboys blow past the salary cap:  8-8 season.
Cowboys spend less than everybody else: 8-8 season.
 
2014-03-04 09:45:58 PM

Killer Cars: thecpt: Shame Us: NFL blinked. Brandon Browner has been reinstated. Might be a cheap option in FA for the Coywboys to toughen up the secondary.

"Can my team have him?" - everybody

/mainly packer fans

I don't think you'll like him that much if he becomes your #1 CB and is constantly lined up against the opponent's best WR. Browner has never seen a double move he refuses to bite on and most teams don't have an Earl Thomas lurking back there to bail him out when he does.

/still a decent player if used correctly
//and if he passes his tests and can actually play


He can stick with them all the way up to the first move?

TT. Sign him. Sign him nao
 
2014-03-04 09:47:55 PM
Are QBs in the NFL really so bad and so thinly spread that mediocre ones can command 15+ mil a year? I don't get it; seems like there's been a race to overpay of late.
 
2014-03-04 10:02:26 PM

grinding_journalist: Are QBs in the NFL really so bad and so thinly spread that mediocre ones can command 15+ mil a year? I don't get it; seems like there's been a race to overpay of late.


Romo sells Cowboy merchandise.

Winning is great and all that, but in the end Jerry Jones wants MONEY!

Romo does well what he is paid to do.  Being a winning quarterback is secondary.
 
2014-03-04 10:04:08 PM
I might  give a shiat about this, but as its the Cowboys i don't .
 
2014-03-04 10:11:56 PM
Meanwhile Boston media kicks the shiat out of the Pats for NOT overpaying, ensuring 10-plus wins and a chance at winning it all for, what is it now, 12 straight years?

/Stupid Boston fans
// They stupid
 
2014-03-04 10:41:31 PM

Waxing_Chewbacca: Meanwhile Boston media kicks the shiat out of the Pats for NOT overpaying, ensuring 10-plus wins and a chance at winning it all for, what is it now, 12 straight years?

/Stupid Boston fans
// They stupid


...wuht the Eli?
 
2014-03-04 11:35:49 PM

grinding_journalist: Are QBs in the NFL really so bad and so thinly spread that mediocre ones can command 15+ mil a year? I don't get it; seems like there's been a race to overpay of late.


The answer is yes. A franchise quarterback is so hard to come by that when you get one you pay whatever he asks, which in turn raises salary expectations for the next year's crop of free agents. A decent starter still makes good coin because those are almost as hard to come by. Decent backups make a little less. Run of the mill fill-ins don't make a whole lot, but then again they never play except in practice. I'd take a half-million to ride the pine as a 3rd stringer all year.

The point is that if you're the guy and you know that other teams would snap you up for big dollars you can command virtually anything you want. Romo, for all his (not really) deserved reputation for choking, is the guy. I can think of at least a dozen teams that would love to have him under center, so he gets the fat contract, which bumps up the going rate in the salary-as-ego race.
 
2014-03-04 11:38:19 PM

grinding_journalist: Are QBs in the NFL really so bad and so thinly spread that mediocre ones can command 15+ mil a year? I don't get it; seems like there's been a race to overpay of late.


Since there are only 32 starting gigs out there the market gets set by terrible decisions (looking at you Cutler).  You think Alex Smith is going to take $8M again when an arse-clown like Cutler is making more than twice that?
 
2014-03-04 11:43:49 PM

ClavellBCMI: And now Jerruh is muttering words about trying to get DeMarcus Ware to once again take one for the team and re-negotiate downwards. DiAtribe, I hate to say this, but it sounds like your owner is telling your GM to make your 'Boys suck again next year.


Look, he's not trying to make the team suck. That's just a silly thing to say. Also, it's going to be a rare day that you tell me something about JJ that I don't already know. I'm no fan, but I'm also not a constant critic. I didn't elect him. We can't recall him. All we can do is observe.

And anyone criticizing restructuring Ware's contract apparently isn't aware that he just had the worst season of his career as part of the worst defense in franchise history. Compare that with his salary & you might be whistling a different tune.

As far as Romo goes, he spent this past season digging that team out of holes that the defense dug, game after game. Sometimes he succeeded, but when he didn't, he got all of the blame. He had the same number of interceptions as Peyton Manning & less than Tom Brady and Drew Brees. And now he's restructuring that monster contract he got, and as far as I can tell, that's the right thing to do.
 
2014-03-04 11:46:05 PM

grinding_journalist: Are QBs in the NFL really so bad and so thinly spread that mediocre ones can command 15+ mil a year? I don't get it; seems like there's been a race to overpay of late.


they're not less important, but their pay value is definitely over-inflated, there's no $120 million QB that's going to beat the best defenses on their own - and while the rules have favored QB's they've also made it easier for guys to plug in and go and that's going to hurt the long-term value of anybody who isn't a franchise QB

really you're better off building an NFL team from the lines outward, the quarterback should be paid well but not so much that it hurts anything else on your team

also, Romo is on a badly managed team, so don't take what the cowboys do as gospel
 
2014-03-04 11:53:06 PM

AdamK: also, Romo is on a badly managed team, so don't take what the cowboys do as gospel


Frankly, player management isn't even the worst management happening on the team right now.
 
2014-03-05 12:02:40 AM
Look! All the most moronic football armchair QBs and GMs in one spot!!

Wow....

/rolls eyes at teh knowledges...
 
2014-03-05 12:25:38 AM

Shame Us: NFL blinked. Brandon Browner has been reinstated. Might be a cheap option in FA for the Coywboys to toughen up the secondary.


Wow...with all the goings on in this thread, this news strikes me as the most odd.  Now I'm going to be wondering if a team wants to risk signing him, unless they are really desperate for defense.  I get that the Cowboys fall into that category, but I think the Jags will take that chance to try.

Shame Us: Signing bonuses do count against the cap, just not the same was base salary does. You can prorate the bonus over the life of the deal. So by giving Romo the large majority of his salary as a signing bonus, they push off the cap hit to the next few years. He has 5 years left on the deal and they converted 12.5 mill of the 13.5 mill salary due this season to a signing bonus, so that hits the cap at 2.5 mill per year now on top of his base salary. Helps this year, hurts next year.


I appreciate the clarification on that because it was also bothering me.  This makes sense to a point, but this sounds like deficit financing, which will not be a good thing for the team in the long run.  Best of luck to them in the draft, should they go after anyone.
 
2014-03-05 01:46:42 AM
Russell Wilson is in the third year of his third round rookie contact. Just saying.
 
2014-03-05 03:48:25 AM
Romo's cap hit is going to be $27 million next year.  I'm sure thats not going to cause any problems.
 
2014-03-05 04:23:44 AM

elguerodiablo: Romo's cap hit is going to be $27 million next year.  I'm sure thats not going to cause any problems.


Um... What? Article says 11, down from 21.
 
2014-03-05 05:20:34 AM

AlHarris31: This basically makes it much more difficult to ever cut Romo if as he starts to get older.


Unless you have a "rebuilding" year where you cut all your other older players (assuming they haven't been restructured in a similar way) at the same time.
 
2014-03-05 06:22:15 AM
Apparently, no one here knows shat about the salary cap or the going rate for a 32 year old declining pass rusher.

I am dissapoint
 
2014-03-05 06:44:03 AM
Jones needs to blow it up and start over but he'll always believe he's a player or coach away from the big dance. He tried to maintain the core that Jimmy helped assemble by changing a few parts but eventually it fell apart. He let Campo flounder around for a few years than hired Parcells to help assemble the current core that is on the verge of falling apart.

Romo is far from a bad QB but he's not worth the money he's making and not many are. He's also entering that stage of his career where he's becoming more vulnerable to injury, especially for a QB who is a bit undersized relative to the hits he has taken and he won't be able to take them much longer. The same goes for Ware. He's a bit undersized for a DE and at his age, it's questionable how long he can take the pounding. There's a lot less contact playing OLB then there is at DE in a 4-3.

Blow it up, hire a real GM, let them hire a quality HC and personnel department, shut the fark up and get out of the way.
 
2014-03-05 08:20:48 AM
U'm, subby. Do you know how restructuring works? He still gets every penny. He just gets more of it as a bonus instead of regular pay. He's not losing anything.
 
2014-03-05 08:27:33 AM

inclemency: elguerodiablo: Romo's cap hit is going to be $27 million next year.  I'm sure thats not going to cause any problems.

Um... What? Article says 11, down from 21.


That is for 2014.  I was refering to 2015.
 
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