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(My Fox Los Angeles)   Neil DeGrasse Tyson: "Scientists never knocked on the door of a Sunday school class, yet you have people with religious philosophies going into the science classrooms"   (myfoxla.com) divider line 217
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2014-03-04 01:51:46 PM
He's like Geordi Laforge minus the ridiculous headset.
 
2014-03-04 02:03:37 PM
Yes, the religious are coveting Science.  If only they had some rule that told them not to do that..
 
2014-03-04 02:11:18 PM
Science is a relatively secure subject, one that is in search of fact. It allows for change, and welcomes it in most cases. It is a subject that seeks provable answers, hence it has no need to try to convince others of its ideas. Science does not need followers to be science.

Religion is an extremely insecure subject, one that is in search of truth. It tends to rely on dogma, and fears change in most cases. It is a subject that seeks constant validation, hence it needs to constantly try to convince others of its ideas. Religion needs followers to be religion.

Which is why you get religious people knocking at your door trying to sell you on faith, rather than scientists knocking on your door trying to sell you on science.
 
2014-03-04 02:13:48 PM
Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists. Maybe if we could get one side to stop thinking that everyone who believes in an Invisible Sky Wizard is an idiot, and the other side to understand that learning more about God's grand creation isn't blasphemy. Then maybe just maybe we can come together and stop being asshats.
 
2014-03-04 02:21:07 PM
But, what of Christian Scientists?
 
2014-03-04 02:30:16 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists. Maybe if we could get one side to stop thinking that everyone who believes in an Invisible Sky Wizard is an idiot, and the other side to understand that learning more about God's grand creation isn't blasphemy. Then maybe just maybe we can come together and stop being asshats.


There are more than a few religious people (Christian, Muslim, Jain) that work in labs in my building and no one gives them a hard time over their religion. I guarantee that if the heavy anti-science proselytizing of the religious right went away then any small amount of anti-religious sentiment within the actual scientific community (not the AWing fundamentalist atheist contingent) would go away as well.
 
2014-03-04 02:34:17 PM
Scientists never knocked on the door of a Sunday school class

Maybe they should.
 
2014-03-04 02:37:59 PM
fuhfuhfuh:
Which is why you get religious people knocking at your door trying to sell you on faith, rather than scientists knocking on your door trying to sell you on science.

Excuse me, sir, do you have time to hear about the Good News of quantum physics?
 
2014-03-04 02:44:55 PM

kid_icarus: Excuse me, sir, do you have time to hear about the Good News of quantum physics?


Sorry, we're Newtonian Fundamentalists.
 
2014-03-04 02:45:45 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Maybe if we could get one side to stop thinking that everyone who believes in an Invisible Sky Wizard is an idiot, and the other side to understand that learning more about God's grand creation isn't blasphemy. Then maybe just maybe we can come together and stop being asshats.


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2014-03-04 02:56:24 PM

verbal_jizm: There are more than a few religious people (Christian, Muslim, Jain) that work in labs in my building and no one gives them a hard time over their religion. I guarantee that if the heavy anti-science proselytizing of the religious right went away then any small amount of anti-religious sentiment within the actual scientific community (not the AWing fundamentalist atheist contingent) would go away as well.


I learned all of this from my science teacher in middle school. I would be nice if both the history and science teacher covered this in all schools.

It wasn't part of the normal course load but my science teacher didn't want to put up with the fundies so she nipped it in the bud
 
2014-03-04 02:56:48 PM
Fun facts about Neil DeGrasse Tyson

Those aren't "fun facts".  James Cameron changing Titanic because of Tyson is a fun fact.
 
2014-03-04 02:59:57 PM
Neil DeGrasse Tyson Trolled Gravity on Twitter And It Was Pretty Hilarious.
 
2014-03-04 03:00:31 PM

fruitloop: Fun facts about Neil DeGrasse Tyson

Those aren't "fun facts".  James Cameron changing Titanic because of Tyson is a fun fact.


Fun fact about LOTRO for those who are interested.  The night stars are the stars as would have been seen from Tolkien's home.
 
2014-03-04 03:03:51 PM

fuhfuhfuh: It is a subject that seeks constant validation, hence it needs to constantly try to convince others of its ideas


So you're saying Religion is like Vegans.
 
2014-03-04 03:05:56 PM
I am tired of these Buzzfeed links.
 
2014-03-04 03:05:56 PM
NDT must have noticed a dip in his fame-o-meter. He's an insufferable tool who dumbs down scientific discourse nearly as much as young earthers
 
2014-03-04 03:06:45 PM
I keep trying to tell theists to relax and accept science as reality and that their uncreated creator must be a clever thing to have created the universe we observe. Stellar and biological evolution are elegant methods compared to brutish "spoke into existence" methods.
 
2014-03-04 03:07:15 PM

BafflerMeal: fruitloop: Fun facts about Neil DeGrasse Tyson

Those aren't "fun facts".  James Cameron changing Titanic because of Tyson is a fun fact.

Fun fact about LOTRO for those who are interested.  The night stars are the stars as would have been seen from Tolkien's home.


And they're going to be for thousands of years.
 
2014-03-04 03:11:21 PM

Odoriferous Queef: So you're saying Religion is like Vegans.


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2014-03-04 03:11:22 PM

fuhfuhfuh: Science is a relatively secure subject, one that is in search of fact. It allows for change, and welcomes it in most cases. It is a subject that seeks provable answers, hence it has no need to try to convince others of its ideas. Science does not need followers to be science.

Religion is an extremely insecure subject, one that is in search of truthpower. It tends to rely on dogma, and fears change in most cases. It is a subject that seeks constant validation, hence it needs to constantly try to convince others of its ideas. Religion needs followers to be religion.

Which is why you get religious people knocking at your door trying to sell you on faith, rather than scientists knocking on your door trying to sell you on science.


FTFY
 
2014-03-04 03:13:42 PM
I don't think it should be taught as science since there is nothing to back it up, I don't have a problem with schools teaching theology though.

Just as long as all religions are taught not just those people approve.
 
2014-03-04 03:14:04 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists. Maybe if we could get one side to stop thinking that everyone who believes in an Invisible Sky Wizard is an idiot, and the other side to understand that learning more about God's grand creation isn't blasphemy. Then maybe just maybe we can come together and stop being asshats.


Oh, yeah. Both sides are definitely equally bad. On the one hand, you have religious fundamentalists trying to codify their version of the Invisible Sky Wizard into state and federal law, and on the other hand, you have scientists publishing papers.
 
2014-03-04 03:14:47 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists. Maybe if we could get one side to stop thinking that everyone who believes in an Invisible Sky Wizard is an idiot, and the other side to understand that learning more about God's grand creation isn't blasphemy. Then maybe just maybe we can come together and stop being asshats.


Congratulations on never failing to have something idiotic to say.
 
2014-03-04 03:15:42 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists. Maybe if we could get one side to stop thinking that everyone who believes in an Invisible Sky Wizard is an idiot, and the other side to understand that learning more about God's grand creation isn't blasphemy. Then maybe just maybe we can come together and stop being asshats.




You know what?

No. No compromise on this.

Religious based theory has no place in a science class* end of argument. It's not a matter of respect for other peoples belief-,science deals in FACT not FAITH.

Ancient civilizations Greek, China, Persian and Africa had scientist and discovers that weren't religiously based. Algebra came from the Muslim world. So religion is not an obvious prerequisite for scientific study, nor should a persons religion prevent them from scientific achievement.

But Religious beliefs should NEVER be accepted as Scientific credibility. For thousands of years, the religious theories (gods,,demons after life, miracles etc.) have been spouted, but not one verifiable, repeatable evidence has been shown.

You wanna believe in god an creationism, fine. Go to church. Believe in it. But fark off if they try to bring it to the classroom.

c*excluding the social sciences , theology and philosophy.. Because religion can be examined there)
 
2014-03-04 03:16:29 PM
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2014-03-04 03:17:16 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists.


Mendel was from the 1800s.   The Boobies-pagan-Rome) European empiricists were the alchemists in the 1400s.  They were one of the groups the church had an overwhelmingly murder-based relationship with, and it wasn't the alchemists doing the murdering.

The "but Christianity totally invented science" narrative isn't even a vague reflection of reality, it was blatant propaganda written in the 1800s in a vain attempt to regain a foothold against encroaching rational movements and secular thought.  Christianity's relationship with science was  blatantly antipathetic right up to the point that continuing to suppress it would have rendered the institution completely and irrevocably obsolete (basically, the early 1800s), they spent most of the preceding four centuries trying to do everything from censor it to burn it to death.  Repeating that crap puts you somewhere between "Slavery wasn't really the cause of the Civil War" and "the holocaust never happened" revisionism-wise.

So... cut that shiat out, it's annoying.  You don't have to pretend your institutional ancestors weren't huge douchebags, man; everyone else's were too, we honestly won't hold it against you.

// Now, you can make a much more valid claim that Islam invented a good chunk of science.  It's only Christianity specifically that gets zero points on this one.
 
2014-03-04 03:17:18 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-04 03:20:15 PM
I wish I was the Director of the Hayden Panettierium.
 
2014-03-04 03:20:46 PM
Religious people (monks) were the first scientists?

Eureka - you're a genius.
 
2014-03-04 03:21:27 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists. Maybe if we could get one side to stop thinking that everyone who believes in an Invisible Sky Wizard is an idiot, and the other side to understand that learning more about God's grand creation isn't blasphemy. Then maybe just maybe we can come together and stop being asshats.


Gregor Mendel was indeed a monk and a scientist, but don't delude yourself into thinking that he's anywhere near the first.
 
2014-03-04 03:25:52 PM

machoprogrammer: [i.imgur.com image 489x408]


That's an amusing picture, but why is it here?
 
2014-03-04 03:27:30 PM
Give 'em Hell Neil! I just Hope the new Cosmos lives up to it's predecessor...

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2014-03-04 03:27:52 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: machoprogrammer: [i.imgur.com image 489x408]

That's an amusing picture, but why is it here?


nicktumminello.com
 
2014-03-04 03:30:55 PM
Hello, subby........Christian Scientists?

#EpicFail
 
2014-03-04 03:32:13 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists.


You think Mendel was the first scientist?

I lol'd.
 
2014-03-04 03:33:29 PM

grumpfuff: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists.

You think Mendel was the first scientist?

I lol'd.


I also would have accepted

ARCHIMEDES YOU DOLT!
 
2014-03-04 03:33:55 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Maybe if we could get one side to stop thinking that everyone who believes in an Invisible Sky Wizard is an idiot, and the other side to understand that learning more about God's grand creation isn't blasphemy. Then maybe just maybe we can come together and stop being asshats.


Or, just maybe.... follow me here.... we use actual facts and observations, along with that squishy bit between our ears, to process the world around us, setting aside the myths and folklore of genocidal desert cults while we do it, so as not to poison our interpretation of what we perceive.

Now, if after doing that, our rational and objective view of history concludes that there is an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, intangible creator that put it all together and inspired a historical book of dietary laws, regional genealogy, and moral stories to guide us to an eternal paradise of life after death, then fine.  I'm good with that.

But we tried the stories of genocidal desert cults for a few thousand years, and that didn't work so well.  Let's try the other thing and see where we end up.
 
2014-03-04 03:34:24 PM

machoprogrammer: [i.imgur.com image 489x408]

I did wear a fedora to my vasectomy...

 
2014-03-04 03:39:37 PM

fuhfuhfuh: Science is a relatively secure subject, one that is in search of fact. It allows for change, and welcomes it in most cases. It is a subject that seeks provable answers, hence it has no need to try to convince others of its ideas. Science does not need followers to be science.

Religion is an extremely insecure subject, one that is in search of truth. It tends to rely on dogma, and fears change in most cases. It is a subject that seeks constant validation, hence it needs to constantly try to convince others of its ideas. Religion needs followers to be religion.

Which is why you get religious people knocking at your door trying to sell you on faith, rather than scientists knocking on your door trying to sell you on science.


Unless you're discussing climate change
 
2014-03-04 03:40:18 PM

machoprogrammer: [i.imgur.com image 489x408]


So what you are saying is that a fedora can save you thousands of dollars, and make you a happier person? That's not bad for $15.00. Sign me up.
 
2014-03-04 03:41:18 PM

RexTalionis: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists. Maybe if we could get one side to stop thinking that everyone who believes in an Invisible Sky Wizard is an idiot, and the other side to understand that learning more about God's grand creation isn't blasphemy. Then maybe just maybe we can come together and stop being asshats.

Gregor Mendel was indeed a monk and a scientist, but don't delude yourself into thinking that he's anywhere near the first.


His remarks pretend that this is a conversation, and that there are two "sides" that could somehow "come together".
He is essentially discussing an attempted mugging as if it were a debate.
There is no "debate" between science and religion, and this non-existent debate does not have two "sides".
Some religionists are insisting that their superstitions be taught as scinece. There is no debating them, any more than there is any debating the guy who grabs you on the subway and tries to take your watch. just as the mugger will attempt to take your watch because he wants it, so they desire the mantle of "science" bestowed upon their superstitious nonsnese - and like the mugger, if they are not stopped, they will have it.
There is no place for reason or debate here - it's war, and they have already declared. If we don't defend the mind from them - they will destroy it - they have promised as much.
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2014-03-04 03:41:24 PM

grumpfuff: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists.

You think Mendel was the first scientist?

I lol'd.


Roger Bacon may have been a better name to drop.
 
2014-03-04 03:42:36 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-04 03:42:39 PM

verbal_jizm: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists. Maybe if we could get one side to stop thinking that everyone who believes in an Invisible Sky Wizard is an idiot, and the other side to understand that learning more about God's grand creation isn't blasphemy. Then maybe just maybe we can come together and stop being asshats.

There are more than a few religious people (Christian, Muslim, Jain) that work in labs in my building and no one gives them a hard time over their religion. I guarantee that if the heavy anti-science proselytizing of the religious right went away then any small amount of anti-religious sentiment within the actual scientific community (not the AWing fundamentalist atheist contingent) would go away as well.


There's a grand irony in The Design of Creation having a just metric shiatton of wonder - enough to make believers out of wonderers - while the supposedly rational people that it was created FOR are the biggest religious turn-off.

It's hard to look at the majesty of the cosmos and not see something beautiful and perhaps otherworldly (full disclosure: I'm agnostic. There are explanations for all of those phenomena, of course, but one could be forgiven for seeing a painting), and it's similarly hard to look at people and say "Image of god? LOL nope" and watch it all burn.

// with a can-ful of gas and a handful of matches
 
2014-03-04 03:42:55 PM

Khellendros: Or, just maybe.... follow me here.... we use actual facts and observations, along with that squishy bit between our ears, to process the world around us, setting aside the myths and folklore of genocidal desert cults while we do it, so as not to poison our interpretation of what we perceive.

Now, if after doing that, our rational and objective view of history concludes that there is an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, intangible creator that put it all together and inspired a historical book of dietary laws, regional genealogy, and moral stories to guide us to an eternal paradise of life after death, then fine.  I'm good with that.

But we tried the stories of genocidal desert cults for a few thousand years, and that didn't work so well.  Let's try the other thing and see where we end up


Boy after this comment I can just see the fedora being adjusted ever so smugly as he brushes the Cheetos crumbs off his shirt at how he 'totally owned those sky-wizard worshipers'

Or maybe we can realize that, Christian church does not mean 100% bible literal doctrine where if you mention evolution you're shunned and driven from your home. There are faiths that do believe evolution is correct while Genisis is a great allegory.  Hell my Catholic school had a class on genetics and evolution, taught by a priest.
 
2014-03-04 03:44:52 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: grumpfuff: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Because religious people (monks) were the very first scientists.

You think Mendel was the first scientist?

I lol'd.

Roger Bacon may have been a better name to drop.


I would have still lol'd.
 
2014-03-04 03:45:04 PM

Ennuipoet: kid_icarus: Excuse me, sir, do you have time to hear about the Good News of quantum physics?

Sorry, we're Newtonian Fundamentalists.


I'm a string theorist, myself
 
2014-03-04 03:45:11 PM

Dr Dreidel: it's similarly hard to look at people and say "Image of god?!" I say "LOL nope" and watch it all burn.


Because otherwise, that makes no sense.
 
2014-03-04 03:45:37 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: NDT must have noticed a dip in his fame-o-meter. He's an insufferable tool who dumbs down scientific discourse nearly as much as young earthers


If at first your troll does not succeed, try, try again.
 
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