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2014-03-04 01:48:49 PM
3 votes:
Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Um. Bullshiat. You're 18 years old. You aren't a child.

Rachel also said every piece of financial paperwork she fills out asks her that question and shows she clearly doesn't have the means to support herself.


If you're filling out financial aid paperwork for college, you are using your parents information. If your parents won't fill out the forms, you are just right farked.

Now, if she said "My dad refuses to complete the FAFSA", I'd feel bad for her but legally, she's farked. I have had dozens of students over the years tell me that their parents won't complete the FAFSA, for all sorts of reasons. In some cases, it was a ploy to get more financial aid. In some cases, the parents withdrew financial support because they didn't like the kid's major/grades/boyfriend/attitude etc.

In some cases, the parents were just simply dickbags. Even then- there isn't a whole lot you can do.

Inglesino said he has spent more than $12,000 on the lawsuit because he wants Rachel to have a great future.


Oh. he's farking her.
2014-03-04 03:53:02 PM
2 votes:

tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.


Parents are not responsible for repaying their child's federal student loans even if the child is or was underage. Federal student loans are not subject to the defense of infancy, per sections 484A(b)(2) and (3) of the Higher
Education Act of 1965.

 Federal Parent PLUS is a cosigned loan, so if it were that case your parents did cosign and are on the hook.

Sallie Mae is a private loan company, and they were getting calls because.

a. they were listed as alternate contacts for you, and were merely trying to hunt you down, and con your parents into a payment.

b. Most Sallie Mae loans are cosigned.
2014-03-04 03:46:20 PM
2 votes:

tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.


Oh, well hell, if a bill collector said it to you over the phone, it might as well have been the word of god.
2014-03-04 03:09:37 PM
2 votes:
I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?
2014-03-04 03:00:11 PM
2 votes:
No possible way to pay for college you say?  That pole aint gonna work itself, honey.
2014-03-04 02:36:31 PM
2 votes:

scottydoesntknow: That's gonna be an awkward Thanksgiving


Meh, once my mom started calling my GFs stupid whores, I pretty much stopped going to family events.
Strange, my mom was upset when I did this. I cant for the life of me imagine why.
2014-03-04 01:49:58 PM
2 votes:

namatad: Call them adults, toss the case out, laugh at the distraught parents who think they can control who their daughter dates.


But then can. If she wants their money, they absolutely can control who she dates. She wants to take their money, but not their rules.

Doesn't work that way.
2014-03-04 05:11:26 PM
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: [fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net image 701x573]


As someone who was on the receiving end of that more than a few times: FARK YOU.

And I love my parents, they did their best and did a damn fine job, thankyouverymuch.  They really were good parents.  Except in this one area.

Hitting a kid with a leather belt is never acceptable.  Ever.  All you're doing, as a parent, is (a) releasing your frustrations-- on a tiny human form-- and (b) teaching your kid to be afraid or vengeful.

/no, I don't like saying this in a public forum.  my personal life is not your farking business.
//but i decided to anyway because it needs to be said.  idiots like you need to be publicly countered.
2014-03-04 04:40:02 PM
1 votes:

tlars699: Boys: Invest early, watch payoffs after 10 years of doing well.


Two sons, put the career on hold two weeks before the first was born. Fast forward eleven years and the younger one is almost there. Fortunately I have a great wife. Not everyone can do this. Meh, she can't cook anyway. Wish me luck trying to GTFBW tho. Any rate- so far it's the best thing. But hell yah, they'll be out on their ass if they put themselves there.

*cheers*
2014-03-04 04:34:54 PM
1 votes:

Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?  Didn't like the boyfriend usually means he's not white, or mooslime, or some such thing.  If he was a juiced-up thug, like dad, on the other hand, is OK.


As the father of a teenage girl, I can assure you there are plenty of white pieces of shiat to not approve of.
2014-03-04 04:23:06 PM
1 votes:
Well, I will say that you want to be careful about the level of douchetastic "Our roof, our rules," shiat you try to pull with adult offspring, as it can end up biting you in the ass later if you wish to be a part of their lives. You may discover that they decide when they have a roof, their rules include "You aren't welcome."

As a simple example: My parents were always very good to me, did a good job of balancing privileges and responsibilities, not being overly controlling, and helping me out with college and so on. We get along great, they are welcome to come and visit any time they like, I've built a nice guest room for them, and should the time come when they can't care for themselves, I'll do so. If they fell on financial hard times, I'd support them, and so on. Then there's my friend, he rarely speaks to his parents. Maybe one a year. They are not welcome to come and visit, haven't met his wife, and so on. If they take ill/infirm, that's their problem, he's told me he just doesn't care.

The big warning signs I see in this case are the curfew, and telling her she can't date someone. That is just silly. Particularly the dating thing. That just screams "We want to control your life." Ya, the guy may be a loser, so what? Some people will date losers no matter what, and no there's nothing you can do to "fix" them. Some date a couple and get it out of their system. My sister was like that (thankfully). Trying to exert control over it is just retarded, and doomed to fail.

So to me, it looks like the parents are being overbearing shiatheads who think that living at home means they get to control her life. Now no question, she's being a bit of a spoiled princess too, but it really sounds like the parents are setting some rather unreasonable rules and so it is no surprise there's conflict.
2014-03-04 04:05:45 PM
1 votes:

profplump: theflatline: If you are 18 and live at home you should follow the rules.

"The rules" should be something you collectively agree on, not something that old rich people get to dictate because they're old and rich. We're all assholes, and the fact that old people are assholes in a different way than young people doesn't make them right.


Bullshiat. "The rules" of my house are made by anyone who pays the mortgage. I don't care if it is my 18 year old daughter or my parents, my house my rules.
2014-03-04 04:05:32 PM
1 votes:
what_now: That's because you don't have custody of the child. If you were still married to the child's other parent, you would have no mandated child support obligation.

Also, this is bullshiat. Divorce and custody have nothing to do with it. If state law so proscribes (as in my case) all parents have a duty to support a child through college. It's not a punishment on divorced or separated parents as is implied.

All parents have a duty to support their kids regardless of the child's age or marital status. It may not be in court yet, but if you think you don't have to take care of your kid you're probably on your way to family court. Trust me, you won't like it. And if you think you can jack your kid around then you deserve exactly that.

Don't have kids if you can't deal with it.
2014-03-04 03:55:07 PM
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: Okay, let's annalyze this...

Her side:
"My parents put unrealistic restrictions on my lifestyle.  Meaning, I have to follow a curfew, and drop my loser boyfriend.  So, I left the house.  To punish me, they now refuse to pay for all of the things that support my life."

The parent's side:
"We lay down rules to keep her safe, including, following a curfew, and dropping the boyfriend that is a bad influence on her life.  She didn't agree with that, so she left to live with him.  So, I don't see why we should be paying for her.  She's an adult.  She made a decision to move out."

I'm pretty sure I've got that right.
How any court could hold up a case on this, is beyond me.  The fact that her boyfriend's father is footing the legal bill, potentially says there is more to her side of the story, in that she got him to believe she HAD to leave that horrible situation.
But the fact is, she walked out.  She wasn't kicked out.  She voluntarily left.  Yet she still expects her parents to foot the bill for her life.

It would be idiotic for the courts to even entertain this.  But, if they are willing to pay for it, the courts will have to, I suppose.


No, he's footing the bill cuz she is slobbing on his knob.
2014-03-04 03:53:02 PM
1 votes:

tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.


Collection agents will call anyone they think they might get money from, that doesn't mean they are actually responsible for the debt.
2014-03-04 03:50:22 PM
1 votes:
Okay, let's annalyze this...

Her side:
"My parents put unrealistic restrictions on my lifestyle.  Meaning, I have to follow a curfew, and drop my loser boyfriend.  So, I left the house.  To punish me, they now refuse to pay for all of the things that support my life."

The parent's side:
"We lay down rules to keep her safe, including, following a curfew, and dropping the boyfriend that is a bad influence on her life.  She didn't agree with that, so she left to live with him.  So, I don't see why we should be paying for her.  She's an adult.  She made a decision to move out."

I'm pretty sure I've got that right.
How any court could hold up a case on this, is beyond me.  The fact that her boyfriend's father is footing the legal bill, potentially says there is more to her side of the story, in that she got him to believe she HAD to leave that horrible situation.
But the fact is, she walked out.  She wasn't kicked out.  She voluntarily left.  Yet she still expects her parents to foot the bill for her life.

It would be idiotic for the courts to even entertain this.  But, if they are willing to pay for it, the courts will have to, I suppose.
2014-03-04 03:38:00 PM
1 votes:

tlars699: In both, if you default, your parents are obligated to assist you in paying those back.


If they cosigned. Now, in most cases, Sallie Mae isn't going to offer a loan to a student w/o a cosigner.

tlars699: That's why you have to count their income in filling out FAFSA, even if they aren't helping you pay for college.


Nope. That's to determine who gets what funding. if you didn't use parent info for undergrads, you'd give the Pell Grant to the kid who made zero dollars over the kid who made $6000 working at a grocery store. In reality, the kid who never had a job probably has wealthier parents than the kid who works at the grocery.

tlars699: That's also the reasoning behind not being able to discharge the loans via bankruptcy.


No, that's just sheer dickery.
2014-03-04 03:31:04 PM
1 votes:
He's a lawyer and 'funding the case' to the current tune of 12,000USD.

That doesn't mean he spent $12k on her.  It means that he spent a given amount of time, at some arbitrary x dollars per hour helping her submit a couple of fill-in-the-blanks style forms, and spoke with her about it over dinner.  This behavior is by no means restricted to lawyers.  For example, I self funded a $200,000 computer upgrade for my parents.  I spent about 3 hours fixing up their system last Christmas and after all the various requirements such as travel, lack of payment guarantor, needing to use my own tools, etc -  at around $65k/hr. Since I was paying myself, I waived the costs.  I suppose if I had set up a LLC, I could claim a net loss for tax purposes ...

On the other hand, only lawyers feel the need to publicly state costs like that, usually as an attempt to court public opinion.
2014-03-04 03:26:05 PM
1 votes:

tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!

2. If they set up a college fund in her name, then she gets that money for school, regardless of house rules.

3. You are considered a child by FAFSA until the ripe old age of 26- when you are no longer able to be carried on your parents' health insurance.

4. You aren't supposed to claim a dependent on your taxes, unless they've lived with you for over 6 months of the year, or you are paying for their schooling.

5. She is totes banging the lawyer.


Ok, so..one of those things is accurate.

1) Unless there is a specific divorce decree, parents are in no way, shape or form, required to pay for college. Unless they co-signed the loan, or took out their own loan, they are also not required to pay a student loan.

2) Unless it is a trust that the student has total access to (very, very rare) a college fund is transferable.

3) You are considered a dependent student until you are 24

4) You can claim a child if you paid more than 50% of their support, regardless of age

5) This one is correct.
2014-03-04 03:23:47 PM
1 votes:

UGOTPZD: I like the parents totally normal rules for an 18 year old of telling her who she can date, what time she has to be in the house, etc.

18 Years olds don't need to be told these things


When they live in the house still, they can damn well follow some basic farking rules. You know what happens when you DON'T set down some rules for your over-18 kid still living at home? Come meet my farking 32 year old BIL, and you'll see. Somehow when my MIL died, my wife made the promise to let him stay with us until he finished school. I agreed to let him nanny until our daughter was old enough to go to preschool. 2 years was enough. My daughter is now 5 1/2, and I'm looking at another ear and a half to two years of supporting a 32 year old adult, who pays the farking internet bill, PERIOD. Because he never had to follow rules after he turned 18, so we're just an expected convenience.
2014-03-04 03:21:11 PM
1 votes:

tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!


Not if the parents don't agree in the first place, which they clearly won't in this case.
2014-03-04 03:20:44 PM
1 votes:

tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!


The parents would only be responsible if they cosigned the loan. If they didn't, it's just her problem.
2014-03-04 03:20:31 PM
1 votes:
She wants to be an adult (I can stay out as long as I want...I'm 18!) without the responsibilities - "Hey Mom, have you done the laundry yet?  I can't find a good shirt!"
2014-03-04 03:19:32 PM
1 votes:
When I turned 18, I did not want my parents to pay for college since they spent all that time an money getting me to that point.  I looked at my options, and found that the military would train me, house me, feed me and would pay for college when my time was up.  There is always an option.  Some would rather be twat waffles and be more of  a burden on their family even after they are legally an adult.

There are many jobs out there that she can do, she just doesn't want to do them.  The world needs burger flippers, cashiers, shelve stockers, and of course as said before, that pole will not work itself.  Single parents are making work she just needs to try harder.

/fark farking lawyers they are the bane of society.

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2014-03-04 03:17:23 PM
1 votes:
Apparently the lawyer is willing to front $12,000 for a blow job.
2014-03-04 03:16:39 PM
1 votes:
So she has a $20k scolarship? Thas $20k more than I got. Maybe she should go to school and I dont know maybe get a job to cover anything else.Maybe since her new family is so hot for her they can cosign any student loans she needs.

Though I do think the truth is somewhere in between what she says and what her folks say. Watch them stripper poles in the Vermont winter they can get cold.
2014-03-04 03:16:06 PM
1 votes:
Future employers are going to love googling her and finding out how much of a sue-happy, narcissistic, entitled little she-beast she is.

Good luck in the future, Sweetie!
2014-03-04 03:11:03 PM
1 votes:

GORDON: Jim from Saint Paul: So.... at 18 you are not a legal adult now?

"a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially. "

Key word: Child.

Which she is not, legally, anymore.

Unless I'm wrong of course.

I think Obamacare made it so that anyone under 25 was a child, and can be on mom/dad's insurance.


You are a legal dependent of your parents until you're either 19 years of age or a full-time student under 24 - it's been that way since before Obama was even in office.
2014-03-04 03:08:53 PM
1 votes:
The teen in question.


img.fark.net


She's cute, but not $12,000 worth of cute.
2014-03-04 03:05:22 PM
1 votes:

Jim from Saint Paul: So.... at 18 you are not a legal adult now?

"a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially. "

Key word: Child.

Which she is not, legally, anymore.

Unless I'm wrong of course.


I think Obamacare made it so that anyone under 25 was a child, and can be on mom/dad's insurance.
2014-03-04 03:04:48 PM
1 votes:

OregonVet: Diogenes: I was wondering why emancipation even entered the picture. This would appear to explain that.

Huh. I arrested a kid in Massachusetts years ago (70 in a 25 - through a stop sign). He claimed to be emancipated when I called for an unmarked car to come pick him up (SOP for minors at the time). I said fine (checked and he was listed as such), let's go then. Later during booking he tried to play the "I'm underage" card. "Sorry, bro. If you want to be an adult you are going to be treated as such." He was a dick on top of all that.


Can't say I'm surprised.  But I think your story has more to do with the kid being a dick than the vagaries of emancipation law/status.

Probably the same with the little princess FTFA.  Both want to have their cake and eat it, too.
2014-03-04 03:01:47 PM
1 votes:

what_now: Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Um. Bullshiat. You're 18 years old. You aren't a child.

Rachel also said every piece of financial paperwork she fills out asks her that question and shows she clearly doesn't have the means to support herself.


If you're filling out financial aid paperwork for college, you are using your parents information. If your parents won't fill out the forms, you are just right farked.


Yeah that's what my parents did to me. Though they didn't tell me this was the plan until it was the last possible day to do anything about it. My dad was hiding from the IRS, that was the entire rationale.

Now, if she said "My dad refuses to complete the FAFSA", I'd feel bad for her but legally, she's farked. I have had dozens of students over the years tell me that their parents won't complete the FAFSA, for all sorts of reasons. In some cases, it was a ploy to get more financial aid. In some cases, the parents withdrew financial support because they didn't like the kid's major/grades/boyfriend/attitude etc.

In some cases, the parents were just simply dickbags. Even then- there isn't a whole lot you can do.

Inglesino said he has spent more than $12,000 on the lawsuit because he wants Rachel to have a great future.

Oh. he's farking her.


And yes, that much is clear. Else that 12k could have just went to schooling.
2014-03-04 03:00:36 PM
1 votes:
Let me guess.  The "friends" house that she is staying at is her boyfriends.  She is probably a catch and their son is probably a dumb jock and they will do anything to lock the relationship down.
2014-03-04 02:58:57 PM
1 votes:
asset-8.soup.io
2014-03-04 02:54:57 PM
1 votes:

Ennuipoet: Let's get down to the important bits:  Can I, as a 45 year old, sue MY parents for not paying for my college?  If so, can I also for the interest on my student loans as damages?

God bless America!


Anyone can sue anyone for anything at any time.

The questions are:
1) Will you find a lawyer willing to take your case
2) Will you case get thrown out of court
3) Will you win

A few years ago, a student threatened to sue me (personally) and the school I worked for because Congress ended the Direct Subsidized Loan on June 30th, and even though we sent him 15 emails saying "APPLY BEFORE  JUNE 30TH!!" he waited until August and then was shocked when his loan wasn't subsidized.

When we explained that CONGRESS ended his loan subsidy, and that we could not process a subsidized loan for him, he demanded a "scholarship" to make up for the interest he would have to pay on this loan for its lifetime. When we refused, he threatened to lawyer.

Now, his stupid whiny ass never followed up, but had he wanted to sue a major research university with a staff of lawyers for following federal law, he certainly could have. He would not have won.
2014-03-04 02:42:01 PM
1 votes:
Let's get down to the important bits:  Can I, as a 45 year old, sue MY parents for not paying for my college?  If so, can I also for the interest on my student loans as damages?

God bless America!
2014-03-04 02:34:41 PM
1 votes:
That's gonna be an awkward Thanksgiving
2014-03-04 02:26:10 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: I was wondering why emancipation even entered the picture. This would appear to explain that.


Huh. I arrested a kid in Massachusetts years ago (70 in a 25 - through a stop sign). He claimed to be emancipated when I called for an unmarked car to come pick him up (SOP for minors at the time). I said fine (checked and he was listed as such), let's go then. Later during booking he tried to play the "I'm underage" card. "Sorry, bro. If you want to be an adult you are going to be treated as such." He was a dick on top of all that.
2014-03-04 02:01:11 PM
1 votes:

faultytower: Diogenes: Oh, I suppose it's possible.  But my gut tells me this has everything to do with the kid and attorney John Inglesino.

Time will potentially tell.


My other gut option is she's sleeping with the other dad, either way we'll see this all repeated in a Lifetime movie within a year.


Either that or he's looking for a little publicity and found himself in a convenient situation.
2014-03-04 01:58:42 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: Oh, I suppose it's possible.  But my gut tells me this has everything to do with the kid and attorney John Inglesino.

Time will potentially tell.



My other gut option is she's sleeping with the other dad, either way we'll see this all repeated in a Lifetime movie within a year.
2014-03-04 01:53:50 PM
1 votes:
F*ck you little twatwaffle. Dems da rules. Follow dem if yous wants da money.
2014-03-04 01:50:59 PM
1 votes:
She's 18. F*ck you entitled b*tch, you're on your own.
2014-03-04 01:46:58 PM
1 votes:
"Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially. "

WELL
We could start by not calling an 18 year old a child.
Call them adults, toss the case out, laugh at the distraught parents who think they can control who their daughter dates.
2014-03-04 01:39:25 PM
1 votes:
Hmm...I'm calling bullshiat early on this one.  I'm willing to put my chip on the idea that both sides are full of shiat and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

$20 the rest of the family are a pact of religious fundies.
2014-03-04 01:38:02 PM
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Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Wow.  What a little biatch.  Let girlfriend's butinski father pay for college, you self-entitled monster.

I was wondering why emancipation even entered the picture.   This would appear to explain that.
 
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