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2014-03-04 01:38:02 PM  
Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Wow.  What a little biatch.  Let girlfriend's butinski father pay for college, you self-entitled monster.

I was wondering why emancipation even entered the picture.   This would appear to explain that.
 
2014-03-04 01:39:25 PM  
Hmm...I'm calling bullshiat early on this one.  I'm willing to put my chip on the idea that both sides are full of shiat and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

$20 the rest of the family are a pact of religious fundies.
 
2014-03-04 01:46:58 PM  
"Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially. "

WELL
We could start by not calling an 18 year old a child.
Call them adults, toss the case out, laugh at the distraught parents who think they can control who their daughter dates.
 
2014-03-04 01:48:49 PM  
Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Um. Bullshiat. You're 18 years old. You aren't a child.

Rachel also said every piece of financial paperwork she fills out asks her that question and shows she clearly doesn't have the means to support herself.


If you're filling out financial aid paperwork for college, you are using your parents information. If your parents won't fill out the forms, you are just right farked.

Now, if she said "My dad refuses to complete the FAFSA", I'd feel bad for her but legally, she's farked. I have had dozens of students over the years tell me that their parents won't complete the FAFSA, for all sorts of reasons. In some cases, it was a ploy to get more financial aid. In some cases, the parents withdrew financial support because they didn't like the kid's major/grades/boyfriend/attitude etc.

In some cases, the parents were just simply dickbags. Even then- there isn't a whole lot you can do.

Inglesino said he has spent more than $12,000 on the lawsuit because he wants Rachel to have a great future.


Oh. he's farking her.
 
2014-03-04 01:49:28 PM  

faultytower: Hmm...I'm calling bullshiat early on this one.  I'm willing to put my chip on the idea that both sides are full of shiat and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

$20 the rest of the family are a pact of religious fundies.


Oh, I suppose it's possible.  But my gut tells me this has everything to do with the kid and attorney John Inglesino.

Time will potentially tell.
 
2014-03-04 01:49:58 PM  

namatad: Call them adults, toss the case out, laugh at the distraught parents who think they can control who their daughter dates.


But then can. If she wants their money, they absolutely can control who she dates. She wants to take their money, but not their rules.

Doesn't work that way.
 
2014-03-04 01:50:59 PM  
She's 18. F*ck you entitled b*tch, you're on your own.
 
2014-03-04 01:53:50 PM  
F*ck you little twatwaffle. Dems da rules. Follow dem if yous wants da money.
 
2014-03-04 01:54:59 PM  

Diogenes: Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Wow.  What a little biatch.  Let girlfriend's butinski father pay for college, you self-entitled monster.

I was wondering why emancipation even entered the picture.   This would appear to explain that.


Thanks.  I too was wondering why emancipation wasn't a little late for an 18-year-old.
 
2014-03-04 01:57:32 PM  
Sean Canning said Inglesino is just butting in where he shouldn't and is influencing Rachel inappropriately.

Yes. I bet he is.
 
2014-03-04 01:58:42 PM  

Diogenes: Oh, I suppose it's possible.  But my gut tells me this has everything to do with the kid and attorney John Inglesino.

Time will potentially tell.



My other gut option is she's sleeping with the other dad, either way we'll see this all repeated in a Lifetime movie within a year.
 
2014-03-04 02:01:11 PM  

faultytower: Diogenes: Oh, I suppose it's possible.  But my gut tells me this has everything to do with the kid and attorney John Inglesino.

Time will potentially tell.


My other gut option is she's sleeping with the other dad, either way we'll see this all repeated in a Lifetime movie within a year.


Either that or he's looking for a little publicity and found himself in a convenient situation.
 
2014-03-04 02:02:41 PM  

faultytower: Diogenes: Oh, I suppose it's possible.  But my gut tells me this has everything to do with the kid and attorney John Inglesino.

Time will potentially tell.


My other gut option is she's sleeping with the other dad, either way we'll see this all repeated in a Lifetime movie within a year.


Yeah, I was thinking that too. No guy spends that much money on an 18-year-old girl not related to him unless he's f*cking her or is trying to f*ck her.
 
2014-03-04 02:03:14 PM  
Hmmm...sounds like a mob lawyer to me.
 
2014-03-04 02:21:41 PM  
However the  kid  ended up living  outside the house there is precious little she can do. No IF her parents were divorced the parent responsible for support, under new Jersey state law, MUST PAY CHILD SUPPORT UNTIL THE  CHILD FINISHES COLLEGE! -- Too bad your parents are still together toots!
 
2014-03-04 02:26:10 PM  

Diogenes: I was wondering why emancipation even entered the picture. This would appear to explain that.


Huh. I arrested a kid in Massachusetts years ago (70 in a 25 - through a stop sign). He claimed to be emancipated when I called for an unmarked car to come pick him up (SOP for minors at the time). I said fine (checked and he was listed as such), let's go then. Later during booking he tried to play the "I'm underage" card. "Sorry, bro. If you want to be an adult you are going to be treated as such." He was a dick on top of all that.
 
2014-03-04 02:27:51 PM  

Walker: Yeah, I was thinking that too. No guy spends that much money on an 18-year-old girl not related to him unless he's f*cking her or is trying to f*ck her.


Not a hard stretch considering he's a lawyer in the first place.
 
2014-03-04 02:32:27 PM  

what_now: namatad: Call them adults, toss the case out, laugh at the distraught parents who think they can control who their daughter dates.

But then can. If she wants their money, they absolutely can control who she dates. She wants to take their money, but not their rules.

Doesn't work that way.


Yes they have leverage. But that's it.
She can get a job and move in with the boyfriend and move on with her life.

I would love to see the follow up in a year or two.
Bet she is back home, etc etc etc.
 
2014-03-04 02:34:41 PM  
That's gonna be an awkward Thanksgiving
 
2014-03-04 02:35:12 PM  
"Inglesino is funding the lawsuit, telling CBS New York it is the only way the bright and focused teen will be able to go to a college appropriate for her to become a biomedical engineer. "


I guess it is possible, but how many attention whores ever finish college? let alone biomedical engineer?
 
2014-03-04 02:36:31 PM  

scottydoesntknow: That's gonna be an awkward Thanksgiving


Meh, once my mom started calling my GFs stupid whores, I pretty much stopped going to family events.
Strange, my mom was upset when I did this. I cant for the life of me imagine why.
 
2014-03-04 02:40:52 PM  

namatad: Meh, once my mom started calling my GFs stupid whores, I pretty much stopped going to family events.
Strange, my mom was upset when I did this. I cant for the life of me imagine why.


Yah. You know what they say- if you meet one stupid whore, she's a stupid whore. If all the girls around you are stupid whores, well, then....
 
2014-03-04 02:41:58 PM  

namatad: scottydoesntknow: That's gonna be an awkward Thanksgiving

Meh, once my mom started calling my GFs stupid whores, I pretty much stopped going to family events.
Strange, my mom was upset when I did this. I cant for the life of me imagine why.


You should've just yelled at her "They learned it from you mom! They learned it by watching YOU!"
 
2014-03-04 02:42:01 PM  
Let's get down to the important bits:  Can I, as a 45 year old, sue MY parents for not paying for my college?  If so, can I also for the interest on my student loans as damages?

God bless America!
 
2014-03-04 02:52:54 PM  
DNRTFA, but I'm guessing she's a nice, radiant shade of orange.
 
2014-03-04 02:54:57 PM  

Ennuipoet: Let's get down to the important bits:  Can I, as a 45 year old, sue MY parents for not paying for my college?  If so, can I also for the interest on my student loans as damages?

God bless America!


Anyone can sue anyone for anything at any time.

The questions are:
1) Will you find a lawyer willing to take your case
2) Will you case get thrown out of court
3) Will you win

A few years ago, a student threatened to sue me (personally) and the school I worked for because Congress ended the Direct Subsidized Loan on June 30th, and even though we sent him 15 emails saying "APPLY BEFORE  JUNE 30TH!!" he waited until August and then was shocked when his loan wasn't subsidized.

When we explained that CONGRESS ended his loan subsidy, and that we could not process a subsidized loan for him, he demanded a "scholarship" to make up for the interest he would have to pay on this loan for its lifetime. When we refused, he threatened to lawyer.

Now, his stupid whiny ass never followed up, but had he wanted to sue a major research university with a staff of lawyers for following federal law, he certainly could have. He would not have won.
 
2014-03-04 02:58:57 PM  
asset-8.soup.io
 
2014-03-04 02:59:43 PM  
So.... at 18 you are not a legal adult now?

"a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially. "

Key word: Child.

Which she is not, legally, anymore.

Unless I'm wrong of course.
 
2014-03-04 03:00:11 PM  
No possible way to pay for college you say?  That pole aint gonna work itself, honey.
 
2014-03-04 03:00:36 PM  
Let me guess.  The "friends" house that she is staying at is her boyfriends.  She is probably a catch and their son is probably a dumb jock and they will do anything to lock the relationship down.
 
2014-03-04 03:01:47 PM  

what_now: Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Um. Bullshiat. You're 18 years old. You aren't a child.

Rachel also said every piece of financial paperwork she fills out asks her that question and shows she clearly doesn't have the means to support herself.


If you're filling out financial aid paperwork for college, you are using your parents information. If your parents won't fill out the forms, you are just right farked.


Yeah that's what my parents did to me. Though they didn't tell me this was the plan until it was the last possible day to do anything about it. My dad was hiding from the IRS, that was the entire rationale.

Now, if she said "My dad refuses to complete the FAFSA", I'd feel bad for her but legally, she's farked. I have had dozens of students over the years tell me that their parents won't complete the FAFSA, for all sorts of reasons. In some cases, it was a ploy to get more financial aid. In some cases, the parents withdrew financial support because they didn't like the kid's major/grades/boyfriend/attitude etc.

In some cases, the parents were just simply dickbags. Even then- there isn't a whole lot you can do.

Inglesino said he has spent more than $12,000 on the lawsuit because he wants Rachel to have a great future.

Oh. he's farking her.


And yes, that much is clear. Else that 12k could have just went to schooling.
 
2014-03-04 03:02:16 PM  

Funkyourdaughter: No possible way to pay for college you say?  That pole aint gonna work itself, honey.


There's a porn star (Belle Knox) currently attending Duke.
 
2014-03-04 03:03:30 PM  
Vivid to offer her a porn role in 3... 2...
 
2014-03-04 03:04:48 PM  

OregonVet: Diogenes: I was wondering why emancipation even entered the picture. This would appear to explain that.

Huh. I arrested a kid in Massachusetts years ago (70 in a 25 - through a stop sign). He claimed to be emancipated when I called for an unmarked car to come pick him up (SOP for minors at the time). I said fine (checked and he was listed as such), let's go then. Later during booking he tried to play the "I'm underage" card. "Sorry, bro. If you want to be an adult you are going to be treated as such." He was a dick on top of all that.


Can't say I'm surprised.  But I think your story has more to do with the kid being a dick than the vagaries of emancipation law/status.

Probably the same with the little princess FTFA.  Both want to have their cake and eat it, too.
 
2014-03-04 03:05:22 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: So.... at 18 you are not a legal adult now?

"a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially. "

Key word: Child.

Which she is not, legally, anymore.

Unless I'm wrong of course.


I think Obamacare made it so that anyone under 25 was a child, and can be on mom/dad's insurance.
 
2014-03-04 03:05:33 PM  

what_now: Oh. he's farking her.


yep
 
2014-03-04 03:07:09 PM  
Waitress-->Hooter's Waitress-->Cocktail Waitress at strip club-->Stripper
 
2014-03-04 03:07:24 PM  

vharshyde: Vivid to offer her a porn role in 3... 2...


She moved out mostly because her dad doesn't approve of her boyfriend, then she moves in and starts banging her best friend's dad.  She could get a writing credit, too.
 
2014-03-04 03:08:09 PM  

OregonVet: Walker: Yeah, I was thinking that too. No guy spends that much money on an 18-year-old girl not related to him unless he's f*cking her or is trying to f*ck her.

Not a hard stretch considering he's a lawyer in the first place.


Mmmm hmmmm
 
2014-03-04 03:08:16 PM  

xanadian: DNRTFA, but I'm guessing she's a nice, radiant shade of orange.


I'm not going to post it just in case, but there are plenty pics of her in GIS.  One is from CBSNewYork.
 
2014-03-04 03:08:39 PM  

StrikitRich: Diogenes: Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Wow.  What a little biatch.  Let girlfriend's butinski father pay for college, you self-entitled monster.

I was wondering why emancipation even entered the picture.   This would appear to explain that.

Thanks.  I too was wondering why emancipation wasn't a little late for an 18-year-old.


I can see that actually for a child who does not turn 18 before graduating high school. The parent should give the child an opportunity to at least finish public school.

But after that? Fark off you little shiat. Plenty of people put themselves through college. Get a job, take out a loan, make your lawyer sugar daddy pay for it. Or just stop being such a farking little beast and follow the rules of the house until you graduate.
 
2014-03-04 03:08:41 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Funkyourdaughter: No possible way to pay for college you say?  That pole aint gonna work itself, honey.

There's a porn star (Belle Knox) currently attending Duke.


Pics or she's just one of those imaginary strippers who are working their way through college.
 
2014-03-04 03:08:53 PM  
The teen in question.


img.fark.net


She's cute, but not $12,000 worth of cute.
 
2014-03-04 03:08:56 PM  

StrikitRich: Diogenes: Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Wow.  What a little biatch.  Let girlfriend's butinski father pay for college, you self-entitled monster.

I was wondering why emancipation even entered the picture.   This would appear to explain that.

Thanks.  I too was wondering why emancipation wasn't a little late for an 18-year-old.


I would move, I am assuming that this whole "not automatically emancipated at 18" bit is the exception not the rule?
 
2014-03-04 03:09:09 PM  

what_now: Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Um. Bullshiat. You're 18 years old. You aren't a child.

Rachel also said every piece of financial paperwork she fills out asks her that question and shows she clearly doesn't have the means to support herself.


If you're filling out financial aid paperwork for college, you are using your parents information. If your parents won't fill out the forms, you are just right farked.

Now, if she said "My dad refuses to complete the FAFSA", I'd feel bad for her but legally, she's farked. I have had dozens of students over the years tell me that their parents won't complete the FAFSA, for all sorts of reasons. In some cases, it was a ploy to get more financial aid. In some cases, the parents withdrew financial support because they didn't like the kid's major/grades/boyfriend/attitude etc.

In some cases, the parents were just simply dickbags. Even then- there isn't a whole lot you can do.

Inglesino said he has spent more than $12,000 on the lawsuit because he wants Rachel to have a great future.

Oh. he's farking her.


You're a Financial Aid counselor/officer? Ouch. You have my deepest sympathies.

/given the choice, I'd admin in FinAid somewhere before serving as Putin's secret towel boy but somewhere after forced listening to Sarah Palin's complete set of public utterances. Both would break my sanity, but only FinAid admin would break my heart.
 
2014-03-04 03:09:37 PM  
I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?
 
2014-03-04 03:09:44 PM  

youmightberight: scottydoesntknow: Funkyourdaughter: No possible way to pay for college you say?  That pole aint gonna work itself, honey.

There's a porn star (Belle Knox) currently attending Duke.

Pics or she's just one of those imaginary strippers who are working their way through college.


http://playboysfw.kinja.com/meet-belle-knox-the-duke-porn-star-as-yo u- might-have-1535822551/@sarah-hedgecock
 
2014-03-04 03:09:56 PM  

GORDON: Jim from Saint Paul: So.... at 18 you are not a legal adult now?

"a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially. "

Key word: Child.

Which she is not, legally, anymore.

Unless I'm wrong of course.

I think Obamacare made it so that anyone under 25 was a child, and can be on mom/dad's insurance.


Obamacare didn't change the law that states that when someone turns 18 they are no longer a minor.
 
2014-03-04 03:10:30 PM  
I've been waiting all day for this story to hit Fark.
 
2014-03-04 03:10:30 PM  
I like the parents totally normal rules for an 18 year old of telling her who she can date, what time she has to be in the house, etc.

18 Years olds don't need to be told these things

/they also don't need to be financially supported.
 
2014-03-04 03:11:03 PM  

GORDON: Jim from Saint Paul: So.... at 18 you are not a legal adult now?

"a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially. "

Key word: Child.

Which she is not, legally, anymore.

Unless I'm wrong of course.

I think Obamacare made it so that anyone under 25 was a child, and can be on mom/dad's insurance.


You are a legal dependent of your parents until you're either 19 years of age or a full-time student under 24 - it's been that way since before Obama was even in office.
 
2014-03-04 03:11:51 PM  

timujin: The teen in question.


[img.fark.net image 606x344]


She's cute, but not $12,000 worth of cute.


Maybe she sucks dick like a 45 year old whore
 
2014-03-04 03:11:51 PM  
Carmenita Scarfone would have just gotten on the bus without all the fuss.
 
2014-03-04 03:11:55 PM  

brimed03: /given the choice, I'd admin in FinAid somewhere before serving as Putin's secret towel boy but somewhere after forced listening to Sarah Palin's complete set of public utterances. Both would break my sanity, but only FinAid admin would break my heart.


Meh. I work in grad school now. Much better. Plus, no parents to deal with!

/but thanks.
 
2014-03-04 03:12:01 PM  

Diogenes: Both want to have their cake and eat it, too.


Heh, I think I said that at some point too. LOL. c.1992. I actually hope the guy turned out okay.
 
2014-03-04 03:12:31 PM  

OregonVet: Yah. You know what they say- if you meet one stupid whore, she's a stupid whore. If all the girls around you are stupid whores, well, then....


Then you're Charlie Sheen?
 
2014-03-04 03:14:26 PM  
But is she still covered under mommys / daddys health care plan ?
 
2014-03-04 03:14:30 PM  

Diogenes: Oh, I suppose it's possible.  But my gut tells me this has everything to do with the kid and attorney John Inglesino.



I wonder if he knows Dino Zaffina.
 
2014-03-04 03:14:48 PM  
She could mooch off of me.....if you know what I mean...

thenypost.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-04 03:14:53 PM  

BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?


They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.
 
2014-03-04 03:15:02 PM  

Delawheredad: However the  kid  ended up living  outside the house there is precious little she can do. No IF her parents were divorced the parent responsible for support, under new Jersey state law, MUST PAY CHILD SUPPORT UNTIL THE  CHILD FINISHES COLLEGE! -- Too bad your parents are still together toots!


Even if parents were divorced, if the mother didn't want the kid in college, is there any state in the union that will force payment to go to the kid (or at least to the college against mom's wishes)?  Fark has assured me that there is zero accountability on where that money goes.

Mom (and Dad) appear to want control.  I doubt that she would be getting any even if they were divorced.
 
2014-03-04 03:15:06 PM  
Oh, he said "curfews"... Curfews. I swear I thought he said there were two things in his house: Minor chores and herpes...
 
2014-03-04 03:15:40 PM  
 
2014-03-04 03:16:06 PM  
Future employers are going to love googling her and finding out how much of a sue-happy, narcissistic, entitled little she-beast she is.

Good luck in the future, Sweetie!
 
2014-03-04 03:16:39 PM  
So she has a $20k scolarship? Thas $20k more than I got. Maybe she should go to school and I dont know maybe get a job to cover anything else.Maybe since her new family is so hot for her they can cosign any student loans she needs.

Though I do think the truth is somewhere in between what she says and what her folks say. Watch them stripper poles in the Vermont winter they can get cold.
 
2014-03-04 03:16:45 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: GORDON: Jim from Saint Paul: So.... at 18 you are not a legal adult now?

"a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially. "

Key word: Child.

Which she is not, legally, anymore.

Unless I'm wrong of course.

I think Obamacare made it so that anyone under 25 was a child, and can be on mom/dad's insurance.

You are a legal dependent of your parents until you're either 19 years of age or a full-time student under 24 - it's been that way since before Obama was even in office.


For tax law, you are a legal dependent of your parents for as long as they provide more than 50% of your support, regardless of age.
 
2014-03-04 03:16:46 PM  

timujin: The teen in question.


[img.fark.net image 606x344]


She's cute, but not $12,000 worth of cute.


maybe she sucks a mean dick?
 
2014-03-04 03:17:23 PM  
Apparently the lawyer is willing to front $12,000 for a blow job.
 
2014-03-04 03:17:29 PM  
1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!

2. If they set up a college fund in her name, then she gets that money for school, regardless of house rules.

3. You are considered a child by FAFSA until the ripe old age of 26- when you are no longer able to be carried on your parents' health insurance.

4. You aren't supposed to claim a dependent on your taxes, unless they've lived with you for over 6 months of the year, or you are paying for their schooling.

5. She is totes banging the lawyer.
 
2014-03-04 03:18:37 PM  
Looks like she blew a seal.
i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-03-04 03:19:17 PM  

Perpetuous Procrastination: GORDON: Jim from Saint Paul: So.... at 18 you are not a legal adult now?

"a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially. "

Key word: Child.

Which she is not, legally, anymore.

Unless I'm wrong of course.

I think Obamacare made it so that anyone under 25 was a child, and can be on mom/dad's insurance.

You are a legal dependent of your parents until you're either 19 years of age or a full-time student under 24 - it's been that way since before Obama was even in office.


How long can I claim my kids as dependents? As I understand it it's 18 or when they file on their own.

Meaning, say, if I had a 22 year old who didn;t file on their own I have a tax write off.

Meaning #2L I could potentially have a kid who could not claim themselves taxes wise and therefore saddle me with a bill?
 
2014-03-04 03:19:32 PM  
When I turned 18, I did not want my parents to pay for college since they spent all that time an money getting me to that point.  I looked at my options, and found that the military would train me, house me, feed me and would pay for college when my time was up.  There is always an option.  Some would rather be twat waffles and be more of  a burden on their family even after they are legally an adult.

There are many jobs out there that she can do, she just doesn't want to do them.  The world needs burger flippers, cashiers, shelve stockers, and of course as said before, that pole will not work itself.  Single parents are making work she just needs to try harder.

/fark farking lawyers they are the bane of society.

i242.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-04 03:19:34 PM  

timujin: The teen in question.


[img.fark.net image 606x344]


She's cute, but not $12,000 worth of cute.


She doesn't exactly scream 'Rhodes Scholar', does she?
 
2014-03-04 03:19:39 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Funkyourdaughter: No possible way to pay for college you say?  That pole aint gonna work itself, honey.

There's a porn star (Belle Knox) currently attending Duke.


Can't wait for her "Duke Sucks" series to come out on DVD.
 
2014-03-04 03:19:53 PM  

BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?


keep an eye on this one.  You might be able to sue for a refund.
 
2014-03-04 03:20:20 PM  

timujin: The teen in question.


[img.fark.net image 606x344]


She's cute, but not $12,000 worth of cute.


$120 though... I'd take her to dinner and a movie, if it meant that I got to take her to town afterwards...
 
2014-03-04 03:20:29 PM  

brimed03: given the choice, I'd admin in FinAid somewhere before serving as Putin's secret towel boy but somewhere after forced listening to Sarah Palin's complete set of public utterances. Both would break my sanity, but only FinAid admin would break my heart.


you have a strangely specific set of criteria for that job
 
2014-03-04 03:20:31 PM  
She wants to be an adult (I can stay out as long as I want...I'm 18!) without the responsibilities - "Hey Mom, have you done the laundry yet?  I can't find a good shirt!"
 
2014-03-04 03:20:44 PM  

tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!


The parents would only be responsible if they cosigned the loan. If they didn't, it's just her problem.
 
2014-03-04 03:21:11 PM  

tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!


Not if the parents don't agree in the first place, which they clearly won't in this case.
 
2014-03-04 03:21:25 PM  
Ahh, another fartbongo voter.
 
2014-03-04 03:21:30 PM  

thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.


Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.
 
2014-03-04 03:21:35 PM  
If you are 18 and live at home you should follow the rules.

I say the above because I can remember the asshole I was at 18.

She decided she did not want to follow rules but that her parents should fund her car, food,living expenses private high school tuition, and on top of all that she wants them to release the college fund they saved for her to be used at her discretion.
 
2014-03-04 03:21:44 PM  

Celain: Oh, this keeps getting better.

http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called -p orky-d a d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html


College-bound honors student Rachel Canning of Lincoln Park

In the end it doesn't even matter.

And Mrs Canning even accused her daughter of trying to sabotage her relationship with her husband and even 'attempting to open up a dating profile for him'.

murderpedia.org


Hi. I am the guy who did the voice of Lionel Hutz. You may remember me from other PSAs like "It probably isn't just a cold sore" or "People who 'pull-out' are called parents!" This chick, she sounds crazy. Never stick your dick in crazy.

 
2014-03-04 03:22:12 PM  

Voiceofreason01: what_now: Oh. he's farking her.

yep

 
2014-03-04 03:22:33 PM  

what_now: Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Um. Bullshiat. You're 18 years old. You aren't a child.

Rachel also said every piece of financial paperwork she fills out asks her that question and shows she clearly doesn't have the means to support herself.


If you're filling out financial aid paperwork for college, you are using your parents information. If your parents won't fill out the forms, you are just right farked.

Now, if she said "My dad refuses to complete the FAFSA", I'd feel bad for her but legally, she's farked. I have had dozens of students over the years tell me that their parents won't complete the FAFSA, for all sorts of reasons. In some cases, it was a ploy to get more financial aid. In some cases, the parents withdrew financial support because they didn't like the kid's major/grades/boyfriend/attitude etc.

In some cases, the parents were just simply dickbags. Even then- there isn't a whole lot you can do.

Inglesino said he has spent more than $12,000 on the lawsuit because he wants Rachel to have a great future.

Oh. he's farking her.


If a person is paying their own way t hen there is. I reason for thei parents assets to factor into financial aid
 
2014-03-04 03:22:33 PM  

scottydoesntknow: youmightberight: scottydoesntknow: Funkyourdaughter: No possible way to pay for college you say?  That pole aint gonna work itself, honey.

There's a porn star (Belle Knox) currently attending Duke.

Pics or she's just one of those imaginary strippers who are working their way through college.

http://playboysfw.kinja.com/meet-belle-knox-the-duke-porn-star-as-yo u- might-have-1535822551/@sarah-hedgecock


Very NSFW pic in comments.
 
2014-03-04 03:22:33 PM  

tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults.


Nope.
 
2014-03-04 03:23:32 PM  
Again?

/ little snowflake will get nothing; it would be even funnier if she got knocked up and never even went to a single class
 
2014-03-04 03:23:47 PM  

UGOTPZD: I like the parents totally normal rules for an 18 year old of telling her who she can date, what time she has to be in the house, etc.

18 Years olds don't need to be told these things


When they live in the house still, they can damn well follow some basic farking rules. You know what happens when you DON'T set down some rules for your over-18 kid still living at home? Come meet my farking 32 year old BIL, and you'll see. Somehow when my MIL died, my wife made the promise to let him stay with us until he finished school. I agreed to let him nanny until our daughter was old enough to go to preschool. 2 years was enough. My daughter is now 5 1/2, and I'm looking at another ear and a half to two years of supporting a 32 year old adult, who pays the farking internet bill, PERIOD. Because he never had to follow rules after he turned 18, so we're just an expected convenience.
 
2014-03-04 03:24:00 PM  
Some states have laws that obligate the parents for at least a portion of their children's college expenses if the parents are divorced. Illinois is one of them.

http://illinoisdivorce.com/family_law_articles/child_support_and_col le ge.php

Haven't heard of a state where you can sue if your parents are still together though.
 
2014-03-04 03:24:20 PM  

GORDON: Jim from Saint Paul: So.... at 18 you are not a legal adult now?

"a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially. "

Key word: Child.

Which she is not, legally, anymore.

Unless I'm wrong of course.

I think Obamacare made it so that anyone under 25 was a child, and can be on mom/dad's insurance.


Prior to the Affordable Care Act taking effect parents could keep their children on their insurance up to a certain age and if they were a full-time student.  The full-time student requirement was removed and the age may have been raised.  So now if a kid gets out of college and their first job doesn't offer insurance right away they aren't screwed.  But it doesn't change the age at which one becomes a legal adult.
 
2014-03-04 03:24:36 PM  
Is the lawyer John P. Inglesino  the same guy that used to be connected to Governor Christie ??
 
2014-03-04 03:24:40 PM  

Celain: Oh, this keeps getting better.

http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called -p orky-d a d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html


Oh my god.

She states that her parents have a combined yearly income of between $250,000 and $300,000 and she is entitled to $654-a-week in child support.
 
2014-03-04 03:26:05 PM  

tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!

2. If they set up a college fund in her name, then she gets that money for school, regardless of house rules.

3. You are considered a child by FAFSA until the ripe old age of 26- when you are no longer able to be carried on your parents' health insurance.

4. You aren't supposed to claim a dependent on your taxes, unless they've lived with you for over 6 months of the year, or you are paying for their schooling.

5. She is totes banging the lawyer.


Ok, so..one of those things is accurate.

1) Unless there is a specific divorce decree, parents are in no way, shape or form, required to pay for college. Unless they co-signed the loan, or took out their own loan, they are also not required to pay a student loan.

2) Unless it is a trust that the student has total access to (very, very rare) a college fund is transferable.

3) You are considered a dependent student until you are 24

4) You can claim a child if you paid more than 50% of their support, regardless of age

5) This one is correct.
 
2014-03-04 03:26:56 PM  

tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.


They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.
 
2014-03-04 03:27:00 PM  

ph0rk: tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!


Not if the parents don't agree in the first place, which they clearly won't in this case.


Wrong. It's in the contract with any public loan company like Sallie Mae, or Great Lakes. In both, if you default, your parents are obligated to assist you in paying those back.
That's why you have to count their income in filling out FAFSA, even if they aren't helping you pay for college. That's also the reasoning behind not being able to discharge the loans via bankruptcy.
 
2014-03-04 03:27:01 PM  

Mikey1969: timujin: The teen in question.


[img.fark.net image 606x344]


She's cute, but not $12,000 worth of cute.

$120 though... I'd take her to dinner and a movie, if it meant that I got to take her to town afterwards...


Lawyer in question

assets.nydailynews.com
 
2014-03-04 03:28:18 PM  

Diogenes: Both sides will be in court Tuesday. Rachel Canning wants the court not to emancipate her, because under the law, a parent has an obligation to support any child who cannot stand on his or her own financially.

Wow.  What a little biatch.  Let girlfriend's butinski father pay for college, you self-entitled monster.

I was wondering why emancipation even entered the picture.   This would appear to explain that.


I am wondering if her  girlfriend's butinski father whos a lawyer is tapping that ass as compensentation for his services? Because screwing people is what lawyers do.
 
2014-03-04 03:28:47 PM  

rnatalie: Looks like she blew a seal.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x853]


No, that's just a little ice cream.
 
2014-03-04 03:28:51 PM  

tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.


Um. No. No it is not. You have to list contacts so if you default and they can't find you, they can contact those people and ask for your contact information. They cannot bill you for a loan you did not cosign.
 
2014-03-04 03:30:18 PM  

plcow: Let me guess.  The "friends" house that she is staying at is her boyfriends.  She is probably a catch and their son is probably a dumb jock and they will do anything to lock the relationship down.


If only there were some method by which you could acquire information on this story, and not look like such a retard with your incorrect guessing...
 
2014-03-04 03:30:25 PM  

noblewolf: Some would rather be twat waffles and be more of a burden on their family even after they are legally an adult.


So you've met my ex-wife?
 
2014-03-04 03:31:04 PM  
He's a lawyer and 'funding the case' to the current tune of 12,000USD.

That doesn't mean he spent $12k on her.  It means that he spent a given amount of time, at some arbitrary x dollars per hour helping her submit a couple of fill-in-the-blanks style forms, and spoke with her about it over dinner.  This behavior is by no means restricted to lawyers.  For example, I self funded a $200,000 computer upgrade for my parents.  I spent about 3 hours fixing up their system last Christmas and after all the various requirements such as travel, lack of payment guarantor, needing to use my own tools, etc -  at around $65k/hr. Since I was paying myself, I waived the costs.  I suppose if I had set up a LLC, I could claim a net loss for tax purposes ...

On the other hand, only lawyers feel the need to publicly state costs like that, usually as an attempt to court public opinion.
 
2014-03-04 03:31:45 PM  

tlars699: Wrong. It's in the contract with any public loan company like Sallie Mae, or Great Lakes. In both, if you default, your parents are obligated to assist you in paying those back.


Okay, Ill chalk this one up to either nice troll or you are a potato. Choose only one.
 
2014-03-04 03:32:34 PM  

noblewolf: Mikey1969: timujin: The teen in question.


[img.fark.net image 606x344]


She's cute, but not $12,000 worth of cute.

$120 though... I'd take her to dinner and a movie, if it meant that I got to take her to town afterwards...

Lawyer in question

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x628]


Wow, I want to take a 9-Iron to that guy's jaw for some reason.
 
2014-03-04 03:33:26 PM  
Self-important twatwaffle says what?
 
2014-03-04 03:33:26 PM  

yet_another_wumpus: Even if parents were divorced, if the mother didn't want the kid in college, is there any state in the union that will force payment to go to the kid (or at least to the college against mom's wishes)?  Fark has assured me that there is zero accountability on where that money goes.


Yes, and that state happens to be New Jersey.
 
2014-03-04 03:34:03 PM  
In court papers she claims her father said she was 'more' than just a daughter to him and he kissed her on the cheek inappropriately.

With his dick?  What the hell?
 
2014-03-04 03:34:17 PM  

Mikey1969: noblewolf: Mikey1969: timujin: The teen in question.


[img.fark.net image 606x344]


She's cute, but not $12,000 worth of cute.

$120 though... I'd take her to dinner and a movie, if it meant that I got to take her to town afterwards...

Lawyer in question

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x628]

Wow, I want to take a 9-Iron to that guy's jaw for some reason.


There's a bit of a headwind. Better use a 7 iron.
 
2014-03-04 03:34:37 PM  

tlars699: ph0rk: tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!


Not if the parents don't agree in the first place, which they clearly won't in this case.

Wrong. It's in the contract with any public loan company like Sallie Mae, or Great Lakes. In both, if you default, your parents are obligated to assist you in paying those back.
That's why you have to count their income in filling out FAFSA, even if they aren't helping you pay for college. That's also the reasoning behind not being able to discharge the loans via bankruptcy.


You cannot sign a contract for a third party
 
2014-03-04 03:34:43 PM  
Sean Canning and his wife Amy have stopped paying Rachel's Catholic school tuition and now owe over $5,000

Oh well why didn't you say so?
 
2014-03-04 03:35:13 PM  
cdn.iofferphoto.com
 
2014-03-04 03:35:17 PM  

tlars699: ph0rk: tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!


Not if the parents don't agree in the first place, which they clearly won't in this case.

Wrong. It's in the contract with any public loan company like Sallie Mae, or Great Lakes. In both, if you default, your parents are obligated to assist you in paying those back.
That's why you have to count their income in filling out FAFSA, even if they aren't helping you pay for college. That's also the reasoning behind not being able to discharge the loans via bankruptcy.


That seems a tad farked up and open itself to abuse. You toss your ahole kid out at 18 they go off to college and when they finish you get hassled because the kid dosent think he has to pay.
 
2014-03-04 03:36:11 PM  

unchellmatt: rnatalie: Looks like she blew a seal.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x853]

No, that's just a little ice cream.


thread winner
 
2014-03-04 03:36:31 PM  

OregonVet: tlars699: Wrong. It's in the contract with any public loan company like Sallie Mae, or Great Lakes. In both, if you default, your parents are obligated to assist you in paying those back.

Okay, Ill chalk this one up to either nice troll or you are a potato. Choose only one.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-03-04 03:36:32 PM  

rnatalie: Looks like she blew a seal.
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x853]


Keep her personal life out of it.
 
2014-03-04 03:36:40 PM  
No theories on who's more dysfunctional, but it's weird that her school is keeping her on, right?

My HS would have wished me luck on my GED, then reminded my dad that he was still contractually obligated to pay the remaining fees.  At the very least, you usually see places hold back on the diploma if there is still outstanding stuff.
 
2014-03-04 03:37:01 PM  

faultytower: Hmm...I'm calling bullshiat early on this one.  I'm willing to put my chip on the idea that both sides are full of shiat and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

$20 the rest of the family are a pact of religious fundies.


This, except I doubt the truth is "in the middle."  The truth is probably standing out in a lonely field somewhere, abandoned and never to be seen again, except dimly and at a distance.
 
2014-03-04 03:37:41 PM  
Yea, guess what. Under state law the terms of my child support obligation continue if my kid decides to pursue a secondary education. For those of you that don't get it - it means you have to keep sending a check for as long as the snowflake is going to college, up until they turn 24, or something.

Thankfully, junior has a real job in manufacturing and supplements his income playing gigs at a Death Metal joint on weekends. If you're ever in Lawrence, Kansas go check them out sometime.

https://www.facebook.com/Species913
 
2014-03-04 03:38:00 PM  

tlars699: In both, if you default, your parents are obligated to assist you in paying those back.


If they cosigned. Now, in most cases, Sallie Mae isn't going to offer a loan to a student w/o a cosigner.

tlars699: That's why you have to count their income in filling out FAFSA, even if they aren't helping you pay for college.


Nope. That's to determine who gets what funding. if you didn't use parent info for undergrads, you'd give the Pell Grant to the kid who made zero dollars over the kid who made $6000 working at a grocery store. In reality, the kid who never had a job probably has wealthier parents than the kid who works at the grocery.

tlars699: That's also the reasoning behind not being able to discharge the loans via bankruptcy.


No, that's just sheer dickery.
 
2014-03-04 03:39:08 PM  

James Rieper: No theories on who's more dysfunctional, but it's weird that her school is keeping her on, right?

My HS would have wished me luck on my GED, then reminded my dad that he was still contractually obligated to pay the remaining fees.  At the very least, you usually see places hold back on the diploma if there is still outstanding stuff.


Not strange at all, Catholic charity is very giving when it comes to white people.
 
2014-03-04 03:39:29 PM  

Degenz: Under state law the terms of my child support obligation


That's because you don't have custody of the child. If you were still married to the child's other parent, you would have no mandated child support obligation.
 
2014-03-04 03:39:33 PM  

tlars699: Wrong. It's in the contract with any public loan company like Sallie Mae, or Great Lakes. In both, if you default, your parents are obligated to assist you in paying those back.


I like you. Sure, you're wrong, but you're tenacious. Persistent. It's a great trait to have.
 
2014-03-04 03:40:03 PM  
Cops raise shiatbag children? I'm shocked.
 
2014-03-04 03:41:23 PM  
My guess was she was being such a huge pain the ass at the new place she was staying that the dad wanted her out and figured this was the easiest way.

But after reading the fark comments...


Yeah is farking her.
 
2014-03-04 03:41:43 PM  

TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.


Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.
 
2014-03-04 03:42:17 PM  
Isn't this a rerun from yesterday?
 
2014-03-04 03:43:22 PM  

what_now: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

Um. No. No it is not. You have to list contacts so if you default and they can't find you, they can contact those people and ask for your contact information. They cannot bill you for a loan you did not cosign.


If you're the parents, you are obligated to help pay for your kids' school loans. Read your fine print.
 
2014-03-04 03:43:30 PM  
In her defence, my parents had a education fund for me. Was supposed to kick just before university.

Then my father got a job out west and they cashed it in at the last minute for pennies on the dollar for moving expenses. 

And i had no money. Three student loans later and two years later, I got a better job dropping out that people that finished
 
2014-03-04 03:44:23 PM  
The lawyer is probably pretty well of financially.

Seems like most lawyers he is hard to differentiate from a lobbyist or legit law firm.    Either way he seems to have friends in high places.

http://www.njbiz.com/article/20120702/NJBIZ01/120629800/Grapevine:-L ea p-year-for-lobbyists-Roche-rush
 
2014-03-04 03:45:27 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Funkyourdaughter: No possible way to pay for college you say?  That pole aint gonna work itself, honey.

There's a porn star (Belle Knox) currently attending Duke.


Duke sucks....and so does Belle!
 
2014-03-04 03:45:33 PM  

tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!


ONLY if the parents co signed for the loan are they obligated!  If they didnt, like I didnt, then they are on the hook for themselves.
 
2014-03-04 03:46:20 PM  

tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.


Oh, well hell, if a bill collector said it to you over the phone, it might as well have been the word of god.
 
2014-03-04 03:46:40 PM  

tlars699: Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.


Well. It looks like you have a lawsuit.

Seriously. Sallie Mae lied to you. If your parents didn't cosign, the only thing SM can do is call to ask for your contact info, and if your parents refuse to divulge it and tell them not to call again, they are legally not allowed to contact them.

If you have documentation of ANY of this, call a lawyer.  IF you don't have documentation, call the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau. They have an open file on Sallie Mae, and they should be able to help.

Totally, 100% not making this up.

EIP if you have questions.
 
2014-03-04 03:48:30 PM  

Dr.Fey: scottydoesntknow: youmightberight: scottydoesntknow: Funkyourdaughter: No possible way to pay for college you say?  That pole aint gonna work itself, honey.

There's a porn star (Belle Knox) currently attending Duke.

Pics or she's just one of those imaginary strippers who are working their way through college.

http://playboysfw.kinja.com/meet-belle-knox-the-duke-porn-star-as-yo u- might-have-1535822551/@sarah-hedgecock

Very NSFW pic in comments.


Whoops! Sorry I actually didn't click on the link because I didn't want porn-star showing up in my history. I thought the playboysfw meant ok.

My bad to anyone! Mods feel free to delete or add NSFW tag.
 
2014-03-04 03:49:44 PM  

stonicus: tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.

Oh, well hell, if a bill collector said it to you over the phone, it might as well have been the word of god.


LOL!!    Sucker born every minute!  Ill bet the Rep got employee of the month.
 
2014-03-04 03:50:22 PM  
Okay, let's annalyze this...

Her side:
"My parents put unrealistic restrictions on my lifestyle.  Meaning, I have to follow a curfew, and drop my loser boyfriend.  So, I left the house.  To punish me, they now refuse to pay for all of the things that support my life."

The parent's side:
"We lay down rules to keep her safe, including, following a curfew, and dropping the boyfriend that is a bad influence on her life.  She didn't agree with that, so she left to live with him.  So, I don't see why we should be paying for her.  She's an adult.  She made a decision to move out."

I'm pretty sure I've got that right.
How any court could hold up a case on this, is beyond me.  The fact that her boyfriend's father is footing the legal bill, potentially says there is more to her side of the story, in that she got him to believe she HAD to leave that horrible situation.
But the fact is, she walked out.  She wasn't kicked out.  She voluntarily left.  Yet she still expects her parents to foot the bill for her life.

It would be idiotic for the courts to even entertain this.  But, if they are willing to pay for it, the courts will have to, I suppose.
 
2014-03-04 03:50:43 PM  

what_now: Degenz: Under state law the terms of my child support obligation

That's because you don't have custody of the child. If you were still married to the child's other parent, you would have no mandated child support obligation.


Wow, thanks. You might have guessed from the context of my post that the kid is of majority, but thanks for sharing.
 
2014-03-04 03:53:02 PM  

tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.


Collection agents will call anyone they think they might get money from, that doesn't mean they are actually responsible for the debt.
 
2014-03-04 03:53:02 PM  

tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.


Parents are not responsible for repaying their child's federal student loans even if the child is or was underage. Federal student loans are not subject to the defense of infancy, per sections 484A(b)(2) and (3) of the Higher
Education Act of 1965.

 Federal Parent PLUS is a cosigned loan, so if it were that case your parents did cosign and are on the hook.

Sallie Mae is a private loan company, and they were getting calls because.

a. they were listed as alternate contacts for you, and were merely trying to hunt you down, and con your parents into a payment.

b. Most Sallie Mae loans are cosigned.
 
2014-03-04 03:54:11 PM  

~Parents are not responsible for repaying their child's federal student loans even if the child is or was underage. Federal student loans are not subject to the defense of infancy, per sections 484A(b)(2) and (3) of the Higher Education Act of 1965.


~The FAFSA is also a prerequisite for the Federal Parent PLUS loan starting with the 2011-12 award year. The Parent PLUS loan is borrowed by the parent of an undergraduate student to help pay for the student's college costs. Only the parent is responsible for repaying a Parent PLUS loan, but there is no obligation to borrow a Parent PLUS loan. (Some parents will enter into a side agreement with their child where the child agrees to make payments on the parent's Parent PLUS loan. But late payments on a Parent PLUS loan will still be reported on the parent's credit history.)


~Private student loans, also known as alternative student loans, often require a cosigner such as a parent. If a parent is willing to cosign a loan <<a BIG if>>, it increases the student's chances of getting the loan and may yield a lower interest rate. Eligibility and interest rates are based on the higher of the two credit scores. But a cosigner is a co-borrower, equally obligated to repay the loan. Late payments and defaults on a private student loan are reported on the credit history of both the student borrower and the cosigner. Often lenders of private student loans will start seeking payments from the cosigner after the student is just a few days late in making a payment. Even if all of the payments are made on time, the cosigned loan will still show up as an obligation on the cosigner's credit history. This can sometimes affect the cosigner's ability to get additional credit, such as a home mortgage, since the cosigned loan will be counted in the cosigner's debt-to-income ratios.

 
2014-03-04 03:55:07 PM  

durbnpoisn: Okay, let's annalyze this...

Her side:
"My parents put unrealistic restrictions on my lifestyle.  Meaning, I have to follow a curfew, and drop my loser boyfriend.  So, I left the house.  To punish me, they now refuse to pay for all of the things that support my life."

The parent's side:
"We lay down rules to keep her safe, including, following a curfew, and dropping the boyfriend that is a bad influence on her life.  She didn't agree with that, so she left to live with him.  So, I don't see why we should be paying for her.  She's an adult.  She made a decision to move out."

I'm pretty sure I've got that right.
How any court could hold up a case on this, is beyond me.  The fact that her boyfriend's father is footing the legal bill, potentially says there is more to her side of the story, in that she got him to believe she HAD to leave that horrible situation.
But the fact is, she walked out.  She wasn't kicked out.  She voluntarily left.  Yet she still expects her parents to foot the bill for her life.

It would be idiotic for the courts to even entertain this.  But, if they are willing to pay for it, the courts will have to, I suppose.


No, he's footing the bill cuz she is slobbing on his knob.
 
2014-03-04 03:55:31 PM  

what_now: tlars699: Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.

Well. It looks like you have a lawsuit.

Seriously. Sallie Mae lied to you. If your parents didn't cosign, the only thing SM can do is call to ask for your contact info, and if your parents refuse to divulge it and tell them not to call again, they are legally not allowed to contact them.

If you have documentation of ANY of this, call a lawyer.  IF you don't have documentation, call the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau. They have an open file on Sallie Mae, and they should be able to help.

Totally, 100% not making this up.

EIP if you have questions.


I think the bolded may have happened.
This was a couple of years ago, mind you, and as I have the loans on autopay now that I have a job, then they have no reason to call in the first place.


I guess I have to dig through my loan info to see if my parents ever did sign something they weren't supposed to, though.

Thanks, Fark! 

hocho064: stonicus: tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.

Oh, well hell, if a bill collector said it to you over the phone, it might as well have been the word of god.

LOL!!    Sucker born every minute!  Ill bet the Rep got employee of the month.


Um, no. Nobody has money for that nonsense of paying them back all at once.
Not saying you're wrong about the sucker part, though.
Luckily for them, my parents are tightwads when it comes to helping anybody else financially.
 
2014-03-04 03:57:37 PM  

groppet: tlars699: ph0rk: tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!


Not if the parents don't agree in the first place, which they clearly won't in this case.

Wrong. It's in the contract with any public loan company like Sallie Mae, or Great Lakes. In both, if you default, your parents are obligated to assist you in paying those back.
That's why you have to count their income in filling out FAFSA, even if they aren't helping you pay for college. That's also the reasoning behind not being able to discharge the loans via bankruptcy.

That seems a tad farked up and open itself to abuse. You toss your ahole kid out at 18 they go off to college and when they finish you get hassled because the kid dosent think he has to pay.


Government gets their money back, though, so what do they care?
Also, having/getting your kid claimed as an independent is open for abuse, really.
 
2014-03-04 03:57:50 PM  
Sean Canning, a former police chief


Meh, you probably have a lot of bad karma built up. How many teens lives have you ruined arresting them for pot?
 
2014-03-04 03:57:54 PM  
Wow.  I got emancipated (at 16) so that my parents and I  could pay for my undergrad (in-state tuition).

This seems kinda ass-backward.

// You can still be legally a dependent at 18 if your parents are still claiming you.  At 18 they have the option of not doing so, though, or rather there's no extra emancipation paperwork beyond not listing you as a dependent on their taxes.
 
2014-03-04 04:00:57 PM  
This situation feels kind of like the people that lived in our house before we bought it.  Our neighbors actually found them likeable, but the stories they would tell after the fact were super long on the crazy.

The thing was, they actually looked like normal people.  Then one day the dysfunction just broke out in a way they couldn't hide anymore.

I'm kind of waiting with some popcorn for things to really start breaking loose here.
 
2014-03-04 04:01:25 PM  
theflatline: If you are 18 and live at home you should follow the rules.

"The rules" should be something you collectively agree on, not something that old rich people get to dictate because they're old and rich. We're all assholes, and the fact that old people are assholes in a different way than young people doesn't make them right.
 
2014-03-04 04:02:56 PM  
 
2014-03-04 04:03:49 PM  

theflatline: tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.

Parents are not responsible for repaying their child's federal student loans even if the child is or was underage. Federal student loans are not subject to the defense of infancy, per sections 484A(b)(2) and (3) of the Higher
Education Act of 1965.

 Federal Parent PLUS is a cosigned loan, so if it were that case your parents did cosign and are on the hook.

Sallie Mae is a private loan company, and they were getting calls because.

a. they were listed as alternate contacts for you, and were merely trying to hunt you down, and con your parents into a payment.

b. Most Sallie Mae loans are cosigned.


Thanks for informing, and citations.
I was fairly sure it was also listed in the contract itself, as these loans were originally made in 2004 and I had looked at the document while rep was explaining to me what was going on, but I haven't looked for a while since then, so can't say for certain.
 
2014-03-04 04:04:35 PM  
Phone message left for Liz Canning from Rachel at July 2, 2013 1:18pm, submitted to Superior Court of New Jersey
'Hi mom just to let you know you're a real f**king winner aren't you you think you're so cool and you think you caught me throwing up in the bathroom after eating an egg frittatta, yeah sorry that you have problems now and you need to harp on mine because i didn't and i actually took a s*** which i really just wanna s*** all over your face right now because it looks like that anyway, anyway i f***ing hate you and um I've written you off so don't talk to me, don't do anything I'm blocking you from just about everything, have a nice life, bye mom'

"But pay for college for me!"

I have a daughter who is 12. I am not looking forward to the teenage years.
 
2014-03-04 04:04:46 PM  
Said the liar.
 
2014-03-04 04:05:32 PM  
what_now: That's because you don't have custody of the child. If you were still married to the child's other parent, you would have no mandated child support obligation.

Also, this is bullshiat. Divorce and custody have nothing to do with it. If state law so proscribes (as in my case) all parents have a duty to support a child through college. It's not a punishment on divorced or separated parents as is implied.

All parents have a duty to support their kids regardless of the child's age or marital status. It may not be in court yet, but if you think you don't have to take care of your kid you're probably on your way to family court. Trust me, you won't like it. And if you think you can jack your kid around then you deserve exactly that.

Don't have kids if you can't deal with it.
 
2014-03-04 04:05:35 PM  

profplump: theflatline: If you are 18 and live at home you should follow the rules.

"The rules" should be something you collectively agree on, not something that old rich people get to dictate because they're old and rich. We're all assholes, and the fact that old people are assholes in a different way than young people doesn't make them right.


Look who is still a teenager.


My house=My rules
 
2014-03-04 04:05:45 PM  

profplump: theflatline: If you are 18 and live at home you should follow the rules.

"The rules" should be something you collectively agree on, not something that old rich people get to dictate because they're old and rich. We're all assholes, and the fact that old people are assholes in a different way than young people doesn't make them right.


Bullshiat. "The rules" of my house are made by anyone who pays the mortgage. I don't care if it is my 18 year old daughter or my parents, my house my rules.
 
2014-03-04 04:06:40 PM  

jst3p: Phone message left for Liz Canning from Rachel at July 2, 2013 1:18pm, submitted to Superior Court of New Jersey
'Hi mom just to let you know you're a real f**king winner aren't you you think you're so cool and you think you caught me throwing up in the bathroom after eating an egg frittatta, yeah sorry that you have problems now and you need to harp on mine because i didn't and i actually took a s*** which i really just wanna s*** all over your face right now because it looks like that anyway, anyway i f***ing hate you and um I've written you off so don't talk to me, don't do anything I'm blocking you from just about everything, have a nice life, bye mom'

"But pay for college for me!"

I have a daughter who is 12. I am not looking forward to the teenage years.


How easy was potty training?
How easy was getting her to talk and play nice as a little one?
My parenting philosophy:
Boys: Invest early, watch payoffs after 10 years of doing well.
Girls: Make small payments early, invest in years after 10.
 
2014-03-04 04:07:28 PM  

Degenz: what_now: That's because you don't have custody of the child. If you were still married to the child's other parent, you would have no mandated child support obligation.

Also, this is bullshiat. Divorce and custody have nothing to do with it. If state law so proscribes (as in my case) all parents have a duty to support a child through college. It's not a punishment on divorced or separated parents as is implied.

All parents have a duty to support their kids regardless of the child's age or marital status. It may not be in court yet, but if you think you don't have to take care of your kid you're probably on your way to family court. Trust me, you won't like it. And if you think you can jack your kid around then you deserve exactly that.

Don't have kids if you can't deal with it.


Yeah, I have no intention of having kids. But, I've worked in college financial aid for a decade and I can tell you that if a parent does not want to complete a FAFSA, or pay for college, they are under no legal requirement to do so, UNLESS their is a divorce decree.

Does it make you a shiatty parent? Yes, probably. But it's not illegal to be a shiatty parent.
 
2014-03-04 04:09:36 PM  

tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.


And you believed the representative? Wow. Just WOW.
 
2014-03-04 04:10:05 PM  

tlchwi02: brimed03: given the choice, I'd admin in FinAid somewhere before serving as Putin's secret towel boy but somewhere after forced listening to Sarah Palin's complete set of public utterances. Both would break my sanity, but only FinAid admin would break my heart.

you have a strangely specific set of criteria for that job


No, I just have an oddly complete list of options for how to spend my life.

These three options are far down in the lower third of the list.  Funny enough, creating the list was right at the top.
 
2014-03-04 04:10:15 PM  
jst3p:

Collection agents will call anyone they think they might get money from, that doesn't mean they are actually responsible for the debt.

Yes they will.

Including my grandparents over a tuition bill. Told them I was going to jail if not paid within 24h.

They paid.

So pissed, I could have taken them to civil court for a hell of a lot more than that balance. When grandparents paid they signed off on some crap contract that prevented it.
 
2014-03-04 04:10:48 PM  

jst3p: Bullshiat. "The rules" of my house are made by anyone who pays the mortgage. I don't care if it is my 18 year old daughter or my parents, my house my rules.


Great minds think alike :)
 
2014-03-04 04:11:41 PM  

bratface: Isn't this a rerun from yesterday?


Yes, and I'm a little surprised it took about 140 posts before someone pointed it out.
 
2014-03-04 04:13:14 PM  
 
2014-03-04 04:13:52 PM  
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2014-03-04 04:13:57 PM  

profplump: theflatline: If you are 18 and live at home you should follow the rules.

"The rules" should be something you collectively agree on, not something that old rich people get to dictate because they're old and rich. We're all assholes, and the fact that old people are assholes in a different way than young people doesn't make them right.


Umm... no... I get my ass out of bed at 6 AM, drive an hour to get my ass to work, take shiat from other people for 9 hours then drive another hour home (fighting asshole drivers both ways)... when I get home, I don't need to take your shiat... its my house, my rules.. unless you contribute you have no say in the manner... and even if you did get a job and ask to contribute, its still my house that I have worked for and paid for longer than you have lived... I should be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor.  If you do not like it.. the door is over there and don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.

I think I have given this speech half a dozen times over the years.
 
2014-03-04 04:16:39 PM  

Degenz: All parents have a duty to support their kids regardless of the child's age or marital status.


Are you alleging that if a human being is say, 33 years old, and married, that there's a conceivable situation where that human could legally demand support from the parents?
 
2014-03-04 04:18:04 PM  

profplump: theflatline: If you are 18 and live at home you should follow the rules.

"The rules" should be something you collectively agree on, not something that old rich people get to dictate because they're old and rich. We're all assholes, and the fact that old people are assholes in a different way than young people doesn't make them right.


Well played. A couple bites this far down a thread is a good take.
 
2014-03-04 04:18:31 PM  
what_now:  Yeah, I have no intention of having kids. But, I've worked in college financial aid for a decade and I can tell you that if a parent does not want to complete a FAFSA, or pay for college, they are under no legal requirement to do so, UNLESS their is a divorce decree.

Does it make you a shiatty parent? Yes, probably. But it's not illegal to be a shiatty parent.


Welp, there you go. College financial aide workers are the scummiest of scum. Worse even than the fly-by-night mortgage lenders who gave away houses with no down payment and caused the Great Recession of 2008 and made the government bail them out.
 
2014-03-04 04:19:42 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Degenz: All parents have a duty to support their kids regardless of the child's age or marital status.

Are you alleging that if a human being is say, 33 years old, and married, that there's a conceivable situation where that human could legally demand support from the parents?


No, I should have wrote "regardless of the parent's marital status."
 
2014-03-04 04:19:56 PM  

Degenz: what_now:  Yeah, I have no intention of having kids. But, I've worked in college financial aid for a decade and I can tell you that if a parent does not want to complete a FAFSA, or pay for college, they are under no legal requirement to do so, UNLESS their is a divorce decree.

Does it make you a shiatty parent? Yes, probably. But it's not illegal to be a shiatty parent.

Welp, there you go. College financial aide workers are the scummiest of scum. Worse even than the fly-by-night mortgage lenders who gave away houses with no down payment and caused the Great Recession of 2008 and made the government bail them out.


You're assuming what_now is a predatory lender instead of, say, admissions counselor? Guy at an inner-city non-profit helping kids pay for school? Lots of possibilities behind what they wrote.
 
2014-03-04 04:20:43 PM  
18--she's an adult. Parents are obligated to pay nothing.

College fund can be withdrawn, with penalty, and once they do so, she gets nothing. I'd do so immediately. It may not even be in her name in the first place, so no worries there.

She cannot obligate her parents on a student loan. unless the parents legally sign on as co-signers, it is not their problem.

Really, screw thsi lying biatch. Follow up article has lovely detail about her.  Sadly, the parents have a complete failure of a human being as their offspring. Write her off as a loss, destroy her belongings, change all of the locks, and move on.
 
2014-03-04 04:23:06 PM  
Well, I will say that you want to be careful about the level of douchetastic "Our roof, our rules," shiat you try to pull with adult offspring, as it can end up biting you in the ass later if you wish to be a part of their lives. You may discover that they decide when they have a roof, their rules include "You aren't welcome."

As a simple example: My parents were always very good to me, did a good job of balancing privileges and responsibilities, not being overly controlling, and helping me out with college and so on. We get along great, they are welcome to come and visit any time they like, I've built a nice guest room for them, and should the time come when they can't care for themselves, I'll do so. If they fell on financial hard times, I'd support them, and so on. Then there's my friend, he rarely speaks to his parents. Maybe one a year. They are not welcome to come and visit, haven't met his wife, and so on. If they take ill/infirm, that's their problem, he's told me he just doesn't care.

The big warning signs I see in this case are the curfew, and telling her she can't date someone. That is just silly. Particularly the dating thing. That just screams "We want to control your life." Ya, the guy may be a loser, so what? Some people will date losers no matter what, and no there's nothing you can do to "fix" them. Some date a couple and get it out of their system. My sister was like that (thankfully). Trying to exert control over it is just retarded, and doomed to fail.

So to me, it looks like the parents are being overbearing shiatheads who think that living at home means they get to control her life. Now no question, she's being a bit of a spoiled princess too, but it really sounds like the parents are setting some rather unreasonable rules and so it is no surprise there's conflict.
 
2014-03-04 04:23:16 PM  

Degenz: Welp, there you go. College financial aide workers are the scummiest of scum. Worse even than the fly-by-night mortgage lenders who gave away houses with no down payment and caused the Great Recession of 2008 and made the government bail them out.


Yup. That's me.
 
2014-03-04 04:24:18 PM  

Celain: Oh, this keeps getting better.

http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called -p orky-d a d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html


After reviewing...ignore my previous comment.....you don't stick your dick in crazy....wonder if I've seen her....as she lived in my town.
 
2014-03-04 04:24:31 PM  

incrdbil: 18--she's an adult. Parents are obligated to pay nothing.

College fund can be withdrawn, with penalty, and once they do so, she gets nothing. I'd do so immediately. It may not even be in her name in the first place, so no worries there.

She cannot obligate her parents on a student loan. unless the parents legally sign on as co-signers, it is not their problem.

Really, screw thsi lying biatch. Follow up article has lovely detail about her.  Sadly, the parents have a complete failure of a human being as their offspring. Write her off as a loss, destroy her belongings, change all of the locks, and move on.


Reading the thread might have helped prevent you from making such inaccurate posts.
 
2014-03-04 04:25:04 PM  

incrdbil: 18--she's an adult. Parents are obligated to pay nothing.

College fund can be withdrawn, with penalty, and once they do so, she gets nothing. I'd do so immediately. It may not even be in her name in the first place, so no worries there.

She cannot obligate her parents on a student loan. unless the parents legally sign on as co-signers, it is not their problem.

Really, screw thsi lying biatch. Follow up article has lovely detail about her.  Sadly, the parents have a complete failure of a human being as their offspring. Write her off as a loss, destroy her belongings, change all of the locks, and move on.


^^THIS^^

 
2014-03-04 04:26:07 PM  
How farked up do you have to be to go along with the idea of suing your parents for something they have no obligation to cover?

/Jesus H. Christ
 
2014-03-04 04:26:29 PM  
Don't be too quick to take the father's side. He's an overpaid, double dipping, underworked, roid-case excop.  This is him.  Wanna bet dollars to donuts he's a controlling fark?

i.dailymail.co.uk

Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

If you're wondering where this girl learned her selfish, bulshiat behavior, take a look at the a-hole she's got for a dad.
 
2014-03-04 04:27:04 PM  

sycraft: Well, I will say that you want to be careful about the level of douchetastic "Our roof, our rules," shiat you try to pull with adult offspring, as it can end up biting you in the ass later if you wish to be a part of their lives. You may discover that they decide when they have a roof, their rules include "You aren't welcome."

As a simple example: My parents were always very good to me, did a good job of balancing privileges and responsibilities, not being overly controlling, and helping me out with college and so on. We get along great, they are welcome to come and visit any time they like, I've built a nice guest room for them, and should the time come when they can't care for themselves, I'll do so. If they fell on financial hard times, I'd support them, and so on. Then there's my friend, he rarely speaks to his parents. Maybe one a year. They are not welcome to come and visit, haven't met his wife, and so on. If they take ill/infirm, that's their problem, he's told me he just doesn't care.

The big warning signs I see in this case are the curfew, and telling her she can't date someone. That is just silly. Particularly the dating thing. That just screams "We want to control your life." Ya, the guy may be a loser, so what? Some people will date losers no matter what, and no there's nothing you can do to "fix" them. Some date a couple and get it out of their system. My sister was like that (thankfully). Trying to exert control over it is just retarded, and doomed to fail.

So to me, it looks like the parents are being overbearing shiatheads who think that living at home means they get to control her life. Now no question, she's being a bit of a spoiled princess too, but it really sounds like the parents are setting some rather unreasonable rules and so it is no surprise there's conflict.


I agree with the who she can date thing being over the top and hopelessly unenforceable, but I don't see any other rules, including a curfew, that I would deem unreasonable.
 
2014-03-04 04:27:23 PM  

dwrash: I think I have given this speech half a dozen times over the years.


Six kids?  Or three slow ones?

tlars699: They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.


As others have said, nope, not true.  I was able to settle my student loans for less then the original amount because they couldn't come after my parents.  My parents agreed to loan me the money (which I am proud to have repaid) to settle my loans, but the loan company couldn't force my parents to do squat.  Basically, the negotiation tactic was "you can have this amount immediately or keep trying to get blood from a stone."  It worked.

/anyone else negotiate their loans down ("settled in full")?
 
2014-03-04 04:29:35 PM  

namegoeshere: Future employers are going to love googling her and finding out how much of a sue-happy, narcissistic, entitled little she-beast she is.

Good luck in the future, Sweetie!


Vivid and the Bunny Ranch won't care.
 
2014-03-04 04:30:07 PM  

sycraft: Well, I will say that you want to be careful about the level of douchetastic "Our roof, our rules," shiat you try to pull with adult offspring, as it can end up biting you in the ass later if you wish to be a part of their lives. You may discover that they decide when they have a roof, their rules include "You aren't welcome."

As a simple example: My parents were always very good to me, did a good job of balancing privileges and responsibilities, not being overly controlling, and helping me out with college and so on. We get along great, they are welcome to come and visit any time they like, I've built a nice guest room for them, and should the time come when they can't care for themselves, I'll do so. If they fell on financial hard times, I'd support them, and so on. Then there's my friend, he rarely speaks to his parents. Maybe one a year. They are not welcome to come and visit, haven't met his wife, and so on. If they take ill/infirm, that's their problem, he's told me he just doesn't care.

The big warning signs I see in this case are the curfew, and telling her she can't date someone. That is just silly. Particularly the dating thing. That just screams "We want to control your life." Ya, the guy may be a loser, so what? Some people will date losers no matter what, and no there's nothing you can do to "fix" them. Some date a couple and get it out of their system. My sister was like that (thankfully). Trying to exert control over it is just retarded, and doomed to fail.

So to me, it looks like the parents are being overbearing shiatheads who think that living at home means they get to control her life. Now no question, she's being a bit of a spoiled princess too, but it really sounds like the parents are setting some rather unreasonable rules and so it is no surprise there's conflict.


I do not consider 18 an adult, I certainly was not one when I was 18.

But she showed up drunk at a school event, and was suspended for skipping school on multiple occasions, stole hers sisters shiat, and acting like an asshole, the parents tightened up the rules as they should have.

Did I mention stealing cash from her moms purse so she could go to a party? Using her parents credit card to buy shiat without permission?

I can see 1 or two events but shiat like that starts to add up and as a parent you cannot roll with those kind of punches.

She decides to play the ultimate card and move not realizing her parents would say ok, but no bennies for you.
 
2014-03-04 04:31:03 PM  

Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.


Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.
 
2014-03-04 04:31:16 PM  

Degenz: Yea, guess what. Under state law the terms of my child support obligation continue if my kid decides to pursue a secondary education. For those of you that don't get it - it means you have to keep sending a check for as long as the snowflake is going to college, up until they turn 24, or something.

Thankfully, junior has a real job in manufacturing and supplements his income playing gigs at a Death Metal joint on weekends. If you're ever in Lawrence, Kansas go check them out sometime.

https://www.facebook.com/Species913


You're in Kansas?  Child support ends the June 30th following graduation from high school.   Secondary education generally means high school in the US.

I'll check out the band tho.
 
2014-03-04 04:31:39 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Wow.  I got emancipated (at 16) so that my parents and I  could pay for my undergrad (in-state tuition).

This seems kinda ass-backward.

// You can still be legally a dependent at 18 if your parents are still claiming you.  At 18 they have the option of not doing so, though, or rather there's no extra emancipation paperwork beyond not listing you as a dependent on their taxes.


Though in many jurisdictions an 18-year-old is considered an adult, IRS rules stipulate that you can claim a deduction for your child as long as she is younger than 19 at the end of the year. The year she turns 18, no matter if her birthday falls on January 1 or December 31, you can still claim her, as long as she meets all the other requirements for a deduction. The following year you may have to give up that deduction, unless she's in school full-time. If your child is permanently disabled, the IRS waives the age requirement altogether.

If your child is a full-time student who relies on you for support, you can continue to deduct him from your taxes until he turns 24 or graduates, whichever comes first. Your child must be enrolled full-time in school, and he must be younger than you or your spouse.

If your 18-year old is living on his own and not a student, you can no longer claim him on your taxes. If your child is legally emancipated, you can't claim him as a dependent. If your child supplies more than half of his own support, you aren't entitled to list him as a dependent.
 
2014-03-04 04:31:40 PM  

theflatline: I do not consider 18 an adult, I certainly was not one when I was 18.


The US Military sure as hell does.
 
2014-03-04 04:32:32 PM  
I hope that when the asteroid hits, everybody involved in this story is in the same place.
 
2014-03-04 04:33:31 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.


How many Jersey cops do you know?  Didn't like the boyfriend usually means he's not white, or mooslime, or some such thing.  If he was a juiced-up thug, like dad, on the other hand, is OK.
 
2014-03-04 04:33:37 PM  

Dr.Fey: dwrash: I think I have given this speech half a dozen times over the years.

Six kids?  Or three slow ones?

tlars699: They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.

As others have said, nope, not true.  I was able to settle my student loans for less then the original amount because they couldn't come after my parents.  My parents agreed to loan me the money (which I am proud to have repaid) to settle my loans, but the loan company couldn't force my parents to do squat.  Basically, the negotiation tactic was "you can have this amount immediately or keep trying to get blood from a stone."  It worked.

/anyone else negotiate their loans down ("settled in full")?

O_O


*worships the ground you walk on*
Please... show me the way.


I did get my credit score up to 635, though, so not so sure I want to screw that up by not paying to prove "blood from stone" point.

/up from 560
//within a year
///Go Me!
 
2014-03-04 04:34:10 PM  

Celain: Oh, this keeps getting better.

http://http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called -p orky-d a d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html


Damn that girl is a loony biatch. If the parents have more emails and voicemails of her's like those, this will be a very interesting and open and shut case.

But I don't see why she is continuing to try to sue. Her parents already said they would pay for the rest of her high school and give her access to her college fund. She seems to be just a hateful spoiled biatch and I doubt she will even finish school.
 
2014-03-04 04:34:50 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Degenz: All parents have a duty to support their kids regardless of the child's age or marital status.

Are you alleging that if a human being is say, 33 years old, and married, that there's a conceivable situation where that human could legally demand support from the parents?


There is: if the parents have listed them as legal dependents and filed the appropriate paperwork.

Sometimes the paperwork is optional if the support's been continuous (i.e. they've listed you as a financial dependent since you were 18 without interruption).

You can also get declared legally incompetent and remanded to their care by a judge.

// The case in TFA, where you're over the age of majority and explicitly, intentionally move out, is not usually one where you can demand benefits, though, no.
 
2014-03-04 04:34:54 PM  

Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?  Didn't like the boyfriend usually means he's not white, or mooslime, or some such thing.  If he was a juiced-up thug, like dad, on the other hand, is OK.


As the father of a teenage girl, I can assure you there are plenty of white pieces of shiat to not approve of.
 
2014-03-04 04:35:18 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.


Seriously. What the shizzle, my Fissle?
 
2014-03-04 04:36:24 PM  

Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?  Didn't like the boyfriend usually means he's not white, or mooslime, or some such thing.  If he was a juiced-up thug, like dad, on the other hand, is OK.


Or you know, the real boyfriend could be the lawyer-dad, who is old and fat and rich. :\
 
2014-03-04 04:36:27 PM  

Fissile: Don't be too quick to take the father's side. He's an overpaid, double dipping, underworked, roid-case excop.  This is him.  Wanna bet dollars to donuts he's a controlling fark?

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Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

If you're wondering where this girl learned her selfish, bulshiat behavior, take a look at the a-hole she's got for a dad.


The boyfriend in question is white and goes to her school.
 
2014-03-04 04:38:38 PM  
It's because of farking POS cops like this that the state of NJ is broke.  POS dad retired at 47 from his cop job..that he got through nepotism or patronage...started collecting a 6 figure pension, with 100% health, dental and vision for himself and his wife for life, and then was immediately hired as a town administrator in a neighboring berg and is being paid $100K+ WHILE COLLECTING A $100K PENSION.

I wonder where his daughter learned about greed?

Fark this guy and whore he rode in on. I hope his snow flake ends up doing porn.
 
2014-03-04 04:39:19 PM  

jst3p: I agree with the who she can date thing being over the top and hopelessly unenforceable, but I don't see any other rules, including a curfew, that I would deem unreasona ...


A curfew is a little silly. I'm not saying it is totally out of the question, but I'd need to know why, and the reason needs to be pretty good. Heck, I didn't have a curfew when I was 16. That didn't mean I had permission to stay out at late as I wanted, but no silly shiat of "You be home by this precise time OR ELSE!" The reason I see it as a warning is combined with the "You can't date this person," thing. It just smacks of a controlling attitude where they want to dictate what she can and can't do in all respects.

Also it just seems stupid to me to do to an adult, which is what someone is at 18 (and as parents you should have prepared them for that). I mean I look it as would I do that to my sister and her fiance? They'll be coming to stay with me this summer for vacation, and I am working of course. I cannot imagine telling them "Ok your curfew is 11, you need to be at home and in your room by then!" or some bullshiat. Sure I suppose it is my right since "My roof, my rules," but it would just seem extremely dickish and arbitrary. Now, if they were out partying late and came home being loud at 3am, I'd say "Hey guys, don't do that, I have to work tomorrow." But I wouldn't set some arbitrary rule without good reason.

It just really strikes me that these parents have serious control issues. Daughter may be an entitled brat, but that doesn't mean being a controlling douche is the proper response.
 
2014-03-04 04:40:02 PM  

tlars699: Boys: Invest early, watch payoffs after 10 years of doing well.


Two sons, put the career on hold two weeks before the first was born. Fast forward eleven years and the younger one is almost there. Fortunately I have a great wife. Not everyone can do this. Meh, she can't cook anyway. Wish me luck trying to GTFBW tho. Any rate- so far it's the best thing. But hell yah, they'll be out on their ass if they put themselves there.

*cheers*
 
2014-03-04 04:40:30 PM  
Scrotastic Method:  You're assuming what_now is a predatory lender instead of, say, admissions counselor? Guy at an inner-city non-profit helping kids pay for school? Lots of possibilities behind what they wrote.

Same thing. Most of the public debt is held by student borrowers today. Anyone can go get a free student loan nowadays for the asking regardless of credit worthiness or any other factor.

You have worthless educators like Phoenix University and dozens of others being a conduit for fraud that only benefits the employees of these low life enterprises. And many of them include community colleges who sign up students for four year degrees who can't even pass a GED test.

Then, they contract with text book publishers who are also scoundrels and take their share of the loot. The whole thing is a scam.

Not every kid needs to or is able to get a college degree. But this industry that has grown around giving loans to people who can't pay them and only benefits the little peckerwoods in tight circles of academia is an obvious sham.
 
2014-03-04 04:41:42 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Scrotastic Method: Degenz: All parents have a duty to support their kids regardless of the child's age or marital status.

Are you alleging that if a human being is say, 33 years old, and married, that there's a conceivable situation where that human could legally demand support from the parents?

There is: if the parents have listed them as legal dependents and filed the appropriate paperwork.

Sometimes the paperwork is optional if the support's been continuous (i.e. they've listed you as a financial dependent since you were 18 without interruption).

You can also get declared legally incompetent and remanded to their care by a judge.

// The case in TFA, where you're over the age of majority and explicitly, intentionally move out, is not usually one where you can demand benefits, though, no.


This is still "he said, she said" at this point.

Email exchange in other article starts with her: Can I come back?
Dad responds: Only if you do x,y, and z. Otherwise, no.

Kind of seems to me that they kicked her out of the house as a semi-reasonable tactic to get her to change her ways, so she can get the things she likes back, and realizes she's being hateful and selfish.
She came back suing.
Take that, moderate disciplinary tactics.
 
2014-03-04 04:41:59 PM  

tlars699: Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?  Didn't like the boyfriend usually means he's not white, or mooslime, or some such thing.  If he was a juiced-up thug, like dad, on the other hand, is OK.

Or you know, the real boyfriend could be the lawyer-dad, who is old and fat and rich. :\


You have any idea how nasty small town politics are in Jersey?  No one gets to be chief of police in a Jersey town without farking over a lot of people along the way.  Maybe the lawyer that's suing him is one of the people he farked.  Payback is biatch.
 
2014-03-04 04:43:56 PM  
Looks like this topic is now dead/deleted.. Ah well.
 
2014-03-04 04:44:12 PM  

tlars699: /up from 560
//within a year
///Go Me!


Nice work.  My credit is currently outstanding, lenders love me, but it did take a few years and a lot of on-time car payments and such.  There's more to the story, but don't want to AW.  That said, good job, keep the credit up; it's so important in life.  It's the modern equivalent of honor and reputation.  Strangers will trust you based upon that.
 
2014-03-04 04:44:15 PM  

Fissile: tlars699: Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?  Didn't like the boyfriend usually means he's not white, or mooslime, or some such thing.  If he was a juiced-up thug, like dad, on the other hand, is OK.

Or you know, the real boyfriend could be the lawyer-dad, who is old and fat and rich. :\

You have any idea how nasty small town politics are in Jersey?  No one gets to be chief of police in a Jersey town without farking over a lot of people along the way.  Maybe the lawyer that's suing him is one of the people he farked.  Payback is biatch.


u mad, bro?
 
2014-03-04 04:45:01 PM  

Degenz: Scrotastic Method:  You're assuming what_now is a predatory lender instead of, say, admissions counselor? Guy at an inner-city non-profit helping kids pay for school? Lots of possibilities behind what they wrote.

Same thing. Most of the public debt is held by student borrowers today. Anyone can go get a free student loan nowadays for the asking regardless of credit worthiness or any other factor.

You have worthless educators like Phoenix University and dozens of others being a conduit for fraud that only benefits the employees of these low life enterprises. And many of them include community colleges who sign up students for four year degrees who can't even pass a GED test.

Then, they contract with text book publishers who are also scoundrels and take their share of the loot. The whole thing is a scam.

Not every kid needs to or is able to get a college degree. But this industry that has grown around giving loans to people who can't pay them and only benefits the little peckerwoods in tight circles of academia is an obvious sham.


The backlash is starting to build - The Feds just sued ITT for scamming students.
 
2014-03-04 04:45:44 PM  

Degenz: Anyone can go get a free student loan nowadays for the asking regardless of credit worthiness or any other factor.


Nowadays. Since the Higher Education Act of 1965
 
2014-03-04 04:47:28 PM  

sycraft: A curfew is a little silly. I'm not saying it is totally out of the question, but I'd need to know why, and the reason needs to be pretty good. Heck, I didn't have a curfew when I was 16. That didn't mean I had permission to stay out at late as I wanted, but no silly shiat of "You be home by this precise time OR ELSE!" The reason I see it as a warning is combined with the "You can't date this person," thing. It just smacks of a controlling attitude where they want to dictate what she can and can't do in all respects.


when your child has an eating disorder, has stolen from you and her siblings and has shown a pattern of self destructive behavior it is not unreasonable to place stricter rules on said child than one who has not had issues with mental and physical illness, stealing and self destructive behavior.
 
2014-03-04 04:47:58 PM  

Dr.Fey: tlars699: /up from 560
//within a year
///Go Me!

Nice work.  My credit is currently outstanding, lenders love me, but it did take a few years and a lot of on-time car payments and such.  There's more to the story, but don't want to AW.  That said, good job, keep the credit up; it's so important in life.  It's the modern equivalent of honor and reputation.  Strangers will trust you based upon that.


Thanks! Just slow and steady tortoise is me.

Legit Q: Wiser course of action: a. Buy a 5 acre plot of land for $20,000 within 3 years, pay off in similar sized loan to car payments in 15 years, and re-mortgage to build own house? or b. Buy a 5 acre plot of land with pre-built house for $200,000 within 8 years, pay off in 30.

Reasons for so long is to save up for down payments involved. :\
 
2014-03-04 04:48:20 PM  
"for her to become a biomedical engineer"

Right, good luck with that. Gee, guess what news stories are going to fill up the first page of google a few years from now when a prospective employer looks at your name on a resume. Entitled whininess, frivolous lawsuits, and childish helplessness. Yeah, lets hire the helpless entitled lawsuit happy biatch. I absolutely guarantee your resume is going into the trash with a chuckle, and nary a second thought. Have fun being a sugar-daddy whore.
 
2014-03-04 04:48:54 PM  

Jim_Callahan: There is: if the parents have listed them as legal dependents and filed the appropriate paperwork.

Sometimes the paperwork is optional if the support's been continuous (i.e. they've listed you as a financial dependent since you were 18 without interruption).

You can also get declared legally incompetent and remanded to their care by a judge.

// The case in TFA, where you're over the age of majority and explicitly, intentionally move out, is not usually one where you can demand benefits, though, no.


There all manner of circumstances where a parent can be obligated to support a child beyond majority. It just depends...

I have seen anyone argue the case in TFA yet, just a bunch of trolls biatching and moaning.
 
2014-03-04 04:49:41 PM  

tlchwi02: sycraft: A curfew is a little silly. I'm not saying it is totally out of the question, but I'd need to know why, and the reason needs to be pretty good. Heck, I didn't have a curfew when I was 16. That didn't mean I had permission to stay out at late as I wanted, but no silly shiat of "You be home by this precise time OR ELSE!" The reason I see it as a warning is combined with the "You can't date this person," thing. It just smacks of a controlling attitude where they want to dictate what she can and can't do in all respects.

when your child has an eating disorder, has stolen from you and her siblings and has shown a pattern of self destructive behavior it is not unreasonable to place stricter rules on said child than one who has not had issues with mental and physical illness, stealing and self destructive behavior.


And when it was your control issues that caused all of this acting-out behavior in the first place?
 
2014-03-04 04:50:17 PM  

tlars699: Fissile: tlars699: Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?  Didn't like the boyfriend usually means he's not white, or mooslime, or some such thing.  If he was a juiced-up thug, like dad, on the other hand, is OK.

Or you know, the real boyfriend could be the lawyer-dad, who is old and fat and rich. :\

You have any idea how nasty small town politics are in Jersey?  No one gets to be chief of police in a Jersey town without farking over a lot of people along the way.  Maybe the lawyer that's suing him is one of the people he farked.  Payback is biatch.

u mad, bro?


Have I not made that clear?
 
2014-03-04 04:51:02 PM  

happyleper: bratface: Isn't this a rerun from yesterday?

Yes, and I'm a little surprised it took about 140 posts before someone pointed it out.


Sorry I was a little late to the party.
 
2014-03-04 04:51:54 PM  

noblewolf: When I turned 18, I did not want my parents to pay for college since they spent all that time an money getting me to that point.  I looked at my options, and found that the military would train me, house me, feed me and would pay for college when my time was up.  There is always an option.  Some would rather be twat waffles and be more of  a burden on their family even after they are legally an adult.


I'm not disagreeing with your main theme about there being options.  I'll also say that what you did, for the reasons you did it, is awesome and your folks raised an unusually thoughtful kid.

But in this instance... short of "The Bad Seed," kids and situations like this are usually of the parents' making.  Damned by their own words, it sounds like the parents did not raise their daughter to be an independent person.  How we are raised (by multiple influences, but especially parents) creates a frame in which we operate and in which we are often trapped.  Too narrow a comfort zone makes the kind of solution you're suggesting unthinkable for a kid like that.  And in her case, even at 18 she is still a kid, because she hasn't been raised to be an adult.

Not knowing you, I can't cite a parallel that would help you get into her frame.  But think of doing something, something not fun, and so far outside your experience that you would be hesitant to even think of it (yes, that's contradictory, which is kind of my point).  Something you would mentally shy away from even considering.  It may be easier to come up with something from another culture.  But something that at least some other people seem able to do.

And hey, maybe you can't.  Maybe you had the benefit of parents who raised you to have faith in yourself, to believe yourself capable of doing anything.  And it's weird to think of that as a benefit, but that's what it is: you were never guaranteed cool parents who raised you to believe in yourself.  And if that's the case, thank them once again.  Because many, if not most children today do not get that kind of assurance.  Helicopter parenting and boogie-man news stories have created a world where children are sheltered from their own shadows.

Likely enough, this girl cannot wrap her head around the idea anything other than having a parental-type figure pay for her education.  Sure, options like "the military" might pop into her head, or someone might suggest it; and she would mentally shy away from that as you might physically shy away from an open hand being swung at your face.  For someone raised to be passive, it seems to scary, or maybe just too hard.  And yes, I expect a lot of judgmental Farkers will zero in on those last two words.  Again: you're dealing with someone who was not raised to believe in her ability to get what she wants through hard work, or even just to work hard in anything more than a get-solid-grades sense.  It's sad, but you can't then turn around and call the parents blameless, or expect the kid to plunge into the deep end by joining the military or getting a job at Costco and going to night school.  She hasn't been conditioned to do that.

And likely enough, without serious intervention, that pattern will play out throughout her life.  She will always need someone to pay her way through-- not because she's a spoiled, self-entitled little biatch, but because at bottom she has so little confidence in her ability to do anything except convince others to pay her way that that's all she's left with. You really think she wants to be this way?  Eh, she probably hasn't thought about it yet.  But when she's 42 and divorced and working as a barmaid and throwing herself at every "rich" guy who comes into the place, and going home every night frightened about the future-- you really think she's going to want to be that way?  But it's all she knows, because no one ever gave her the confidence and skills to make it on her own.

I just feel bad for this poor kid.  She's got a hard life ahead, and it's almost certainly her parents' fault.

/that said, the mark of adulthood is that you stop blaming your parents for what you are.  They may have made you that way, but now it's up to you to fix it.  Some terms and conditions apply, ymmv.
//also: what a bad seed might look like (no, this isn't a mirror or stolen from your childhood photo album):
images.popmatters.com
 
2014-03-04 04:53:44 PM  

sycraft: jst3p: I agree with the who she can date thing being over the top and hopelessly unenforceable, but I don't see any other rules, including a curfew, that I would deem unreasona ...

A curfew is a little silly. I'm not saying it is totally out of the question, but I'd need to know why, and the reason needs to be pretty good. Heck, I didn't have a curfew when I was 16. That didn't mean I had permission to stay out at late as I wanted, but no silly shiat of "You be home by this precise time OR ELSE!" The reason I see it as a warning is combined with the "You can't date this person," thing. It just smacks of a controlling attitude where they want to dictate what she can and can't do in all respects.

Also it just seems stupid to me to do to an adult, which is what someone is at 18 (and as parents you should have prepared them for that). I mean I look it as would I do that to my sister and her fiance? They'll be coming to stay with me this summer for vacation, and I am working of course. I cannot imagine telling them "Ok your curfew is 11, you need to be at home and in your room by then!" or some bullshiat. Sure I suppose it is my right since "My roof, my rules," but it would just seem extremely dickish and arbitrary. Now, if they were out partying late and came home being loud at 3am, I'd say "Hey guys, don't do that, I have to work tomorrow." But I wouldn't set some arbitrary rule without good reason.

It just really strikes me that these parents have serious control issues. Daughter may be an entitled brat, but that doesn't mean being a controlling douche is the proper response.


It doesn't sound at all like their rules are arbitrary.
 
2014-03-04 04:56:35 PM  

quietwalker: He's a lawyer and 'funding the case' to the current tune of 12,000USD.

That doesn't mean he spent $12k on her.  It means that he spent a given amount of time, at some arbitrary x dollars per hour helping her submit a couple of fill-in-the-blanks style forms, and spoke with her about it over dinner.  This behavior is by no means restricted to lawyers.  For example, I self funded a $200,000 computer upgrade for my parents.  I spent about 3 hours fixing up their system last Christmas and after all the various requirements such as travel, lack of payment guarantor, needing to use my own tools, etc -  at around $65k/hr. Since I was paying myself, I waived the costs.  I suppose if I had set up a LLC, I could claim a net loss for tax purposes ...

On the other hand, only lawyers feel the need to publicly state costs like that, usually as an attempt to court public opinion.


I'm trying to process these numbers.  Could you explain again how you came up with a figure of $65,000 per hour?  Are you a Pentagon contractor?
 
2014-03-04 05:02:04 PM  

JNowe: You're in Kansas?  Child support ends the June 30th following graduation from high school.   Secondary education generally means high school in the US.

I'll check out the band tho.


You're probably right. Although there are multiple jurisdictions involved I did have success arguing that Kansas law should prevail in a recent hearing. I don't live on the Kansas side now for good reason.
 
2014-03-04 05:04:02 PM  
Null Pointer:  My house=My rules

jst3p: Bullshiat. "The rules" of my house are made by anyone who pays the mortgage. I don't care if it is my 18 year old daughter or my parents, my house my rules.

And these, ladies and gentlemen, are Exhibits A and B of my thesis that parents who raise kids without allowing them a shred of independence inherit kids who haven't got a shred of independence.

/can't wait to see your stories in the funny Farklinks!
 
2014-03-04 05:05:11 PM  
OK, so here is another weird thing: the parents showed up with a completed investigation from child services saying they are OK parents.

That's exactly like saying "I'm not crazy.  My mom had me tested."

Abusive, not abusive, whatever.  It's opening with "I am not a crook."
 
2014-03-04 05:07:56 PM  

what_now: Degenz: Anyone can go get a free student loan nowadays for the asking regardless of credit worthiness or any other factor.

Nowadays. Since the Higher Education Act of 1965


Make your living off approving loans to high school dropouts with no hope of getting said degree, while saddling them with debt. How nice.
 
2014-03-04 05:08:22 PM  

James Rieper: OK, so here is another weird thing: the parents showed up with a completed investigation from child services saying they are OK parents.

That's exactly like saying "I'm not crazy.  My mom had me tested."

Abusive, not abusive, whatever.  It's opening with "I am not a crook."


I dunno, those child service places seem to get a hard-on from taking kids away from parents, and seem to do so on very flimsy grounds.  For them to say "these guys are OK" says something.
 
2014-03-04 05:11:26 PM  

Joe Blowme: [fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net image 701x573]


As someone who was on the receiving end of that more than a few times: FARK YOU.

And I love my parents, they did their best and did a damn fine job, thankyouverymuch.  They really were good parents.  Except in this one area.

Hitting a kid with a leather belt is never acceptable.  Ever.  All you're doing, as a parent, is (a) releasing your frustrations-- on a tiny human form-- and (b) teaching your kid to be afraid or vengeful.

/no, I don't like saying this in a public forum.  my personal life is not your farking business.
//but i decided to anyway because it needs to be said.  idiots like you need to be publicly countered.
 
2014-03-04 05:11:30 PM  

OdradekRex: The backlash is starting to build - The Feds just sued ITT for scamming students.


Good! Scamming stupid young people and indebting them for life ought to be a crime.
 
2014-03-04 05:11:46 PM  

tlars699: Legit Q: Wiser course of action: a. Buy a 5 acre plot of land for $20,000 within 3 years, pay off in similar sized loan to car payments in 15 years, and re-mortgage to build own house? or b. Buy a 5 acre plot of land with pre-built house for $200,000 within 8 years, pay off in 30.


Though I like build own house, re-mortgage scares me.  Obviously depends on location for real estate market.  Gut says (b) is smarter.  Essentially path I chose, but there may be other Farkers far smarter in real property transactions.  I'm a professional negotiator, but (sadly) not for real estate.
 
2014-03-04 05:19:01 PM  

Degenz: what_now: Degenz: Anyone can go get a free student loan nowadays for the asking regardless of credit worthiness or any other factor.

Nowadays. Since the Higher Education Act of 1965

Make your living off approving loans to high school dropouts with no hope of getting said degree, while saddling them with debt. How nice.


I'm amused that you either think that every school does this, or you think I work at the University of Phoenix
 
2014-03-04 05:19:21 PM  

namegoeshere: Future employers are going to love googling her and finding out how much of a sue-happy, narcissistic, entitled little she-beast she is.

Good luck in the future, Sweetie!


Politician or Lawyer then?
 
2014-03-04 05:30:56 PM  
Dumb whiny biatch.

However, 11 pm curfew for an 18 year old?  That's a bit harsh, unless she has a history of being a little dumbass.
 
2014-03-04 05:35:17 PM  
Crewmannumber6:

She doesn't exactly scream 'Rhodes Scholar', does she?

I bet I could get her to scream that....  In bed.

Boom!

Mikey1969:
When they live in the house still, they can damn well follow some basic farking rules. You know what happens when you DON'T set down some rules for your over-18 kid still living at home? Come meet my farking 32 year old BIL, and you'll see. Somehow when my MIL died, my wife made the promise to let him stay with us until he finished school. I agreed to let him nanny until our daughter was old enough to go to preschool. 2 years was enough. My daughter is now 5 1/2, and I'm looking at another ear and a half to two years of supporting a 32 year old adult, who pays the farking internet bill, PERIOD. Because he never had to follow rules after he turned 18, so we're just an expected convenience.

Kick him the hell out.
 
2014-03-04 05:41:58 PM  

Diogenes: In court papers she claims her father said she was 'more' than just a daughter to him and he kissed her on the cheek inappropriately.

With his dick?  What the hell?


Mushroom stamped her.
 
2014-03-04 05:57:50 PM  

groppet: tlars699: ph0rk: tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!


Not if the parents don't agree in the first place, which they clearly won't in this case.

Wrong. It's in the contract with any public loan company like Sallie Mae, or Great Lakes. In both, if you default, your parents are obligated to assist you in paying those back.
That's why you have to count their income in filling out FAFSA, even if they aren't helping you pay for college. That's also the reasoning behind not being able to discharge the loans via bankruptcy.

That seems a tad farked up and open itself to abuse. You toss your ahole kid out at 18 they go off to college and when they finish you get hassled because the kid dosent think he has to pay.


Not to worry.  It isn't true.

And you know he's not really a French model, right?

/bonjour
 
2014-03-04 06:01:33 PM  
 
2014-03-04 06:02:36 PM  
Verdict came in:
 http://abcnews.go.com/US/rachel-canning-loses-suit-make-parents-pay -hi gh/story?id=22768908


"
A New Jersey family court judge ruled today that Rachel Canning's parents do not have to pay her high school tuition after she sued them to cover her schooling and living costs.
The judge delayed a ruling on whether the parents must pay the 18-year-old student's college tuition while asking lawyers to consider whether it's wise to "establish precedent where parents live in fear of establishing rules of the house?"
The judge also denied her request for attorney fees, although ruling that the parents should continue with weekly allowance and "child support" payments to their daughter.
The next hearing is scheduled for April 22."
 
2014-03-04 06:03:02 PM  

Degenz: Yea, guess what. Under state law the terms of my child support obligation continue if my kid decides to pursue a secondary education. For those of you that don't get it - it means you have to keep sending a check for as long as the snowflake is going to college, up until they turn 24, or something.

Thankfully, junior has a real job in manufacturing and supplements his income playing gigs at a Death Metal joint on weekends. If you're ever in Lawrence, Kansas go check them out sometime.

https://www.facebook.com/Species913


"Secondary education" refers to high school.  "Post-secondary" is college/grad school.  Which did you mean?

/either I just corrected your terminology or I just saved you a bundle on your child support
 
2014-03-04 06:04:50 PM  

Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html


So he can ass rape you?
 
2014-03-04 06:07:16 PM  

theflatline: James Rieper: No theories on who's more dysfunctional, but it's weird that her school is keeping her on, right?

My HS would have wished me luck on my GED, then reminded my dad that he was still contractually obligated to pay the remaining fees.  At the very least, you usually see places hold back on the diploma if there is still outstanding stuff.

Not strange at all, Catholic charity is very giving when it comes to white people.


www.catholiccharities.com
 
2014-03-04 06:08:57 PM  

dwrash: profplump: theflatline: If you are 18 and live at home you should follow the rules.

"The rules" should be something you collectively agree on, not something that old rich people get to dictate because they're old and rich. We're all assholes, and the fact that old people are assholes in a different way than young people doesn't make them right.

Umm... no... I get my ass out of bed at 6 AM, drive an hour to get my ass to work, take shiat from other people for 9 hours then drive another hour home (fighting asshole drivers both ways)... when I get home, I don't need to take your shiat... its my house, my rules.. unless you contribute you have no say in the manner... and even if you did get a job and ask to contribute, its still my house that I have worked for and paid for longer than you have lived... I should be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor.  If you do not like it.. the door is over there and don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.

I think I have given this speech half a dozen times over the years.


Also the reason you  have had to give this speech a half dozen times over the years.
 
2014-03-04 06:08:58 PM  
Stonicus: Historically child services in NJ has the opposite problem. It's been a while since there was a big scandal, but the large caseloads make the investigators overlook a lot, sign off on things too soon, etc.Not saying that's what happened here, but it's not exactly a vote of confidence either that DYFS showed up in the first place.This family sounds more and more like there is a lot of booze lurking just out of view.
 
2014-03-04 06:10:03 PM  

theflatline: Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html

So he can ass rape you?


You don't know cops very well, do you?
 
2014-03-04 06:13:09 PM  

Degenz: what_now:  Yeah, I have no intention of having kids. But, I've worked in college financial aid for a decade and I can tell you that if a parent does not want to complete a FAFSA, or pay for college, they are under no legal requirement to do so, UNLESS their is a divorce decree.

Does it make you a shiatty parent? Yes, probably. But it's not illegal to be a shiatty parent.

Welp, there you go. College financial aide workers are the scummiest of scum. Worse even than the fly-by-night mortgage lenders who gave away houses with no down payment and caused the Great Recession of 2008 and made the government bail them out.


Wow.

As someone who worked in Student Affairs for 15 years and actually knew tons of FAO (FinAidOfficers) and tons of students on Financial Aid: you are an ahole who has no idea what he's talking about.

Absolutely.  None.
 
2014-03-04 06:16:54 PM  

Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html

So he can ass rape you?

You don't know cops very well, do you?


I grew up between New Orleans with NOPD and Colombia the country, I assure you I know cops very well.
 
2014-03-04 06:17:58 PM  
Sure is a lot of little shiatheads in this thread that think living under the parents roof with almost NO rules is silly. No wonder they are the ones that ask me if I want fries with that.

/sod off you little shiats
//you live under my roof, there will be some rules or you're the fark out of here
 
2014-03-04 06:18:24 PM  

tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.


I worked in Student loans for 10 years. Your folks must have co signed. They can not bug them otherwise. Or it was a Parent Plus loan.
 
2014-03-04 06:21:18 PM  

theflatline: Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html

So he can ass rape you?

You don't know cops very well, do you?

I grew up between New Orleans with NOPD and Colombia the country, I assure you I know cops very well.


Well, you don't know Jersey cops.

This is former officer Kieth Buckley, North Brunswick, NJ PD.

imgick.nj.com

Do you know why he is crying?  He just got sentenced to prison for vehicular homicide...he killed another badge-clown.   All tough guys, until a taste of their own medicine, then the turn into snivelers.
 
2014-03-04 06:25:21 PM  

Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html

So he can ass rape you?

You don't know cops very well, do you?

I grew up between New Orleans with NOPD and Colombia the country, I assure you I know cops very well.

Well, you don't know Jersey cops.

This is former officer Kieth Buckley, North Brunswick, NJ PD.

[imgick.nj.com image 620x432]

Do you know why he is crying?  He just got sentenced to prison for vehicular homicide...he killed another badge-clown.   All tough guys, until a taste of their own medicine, then the turn into snivelers.


Sorry, but I knoew NOPD and I know/knew Colombian cops during Escobar times, and now, who are far worse than any Jersey cop than you can imagine.

NJ is not the center of the universe, and they do not hold the lock on bad cops.

And not all cops are bad.  Did one touch you on the nethers?
 
2014-03-04 06:30:18 PM  
img.fark.netThe 7th picture is NSFW, LOL.
/WTF is that?
 
2014-03-04 06:31:07 PM  

WTFDYW: [img.fark.net image 780x225]The 7th picture is NSFW, LOL.
/WTF is that?


Giving help to people who convert.
 
2014-03-04 06:36:27 PM  

theflatline: Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html

So he can ass rape you?

You don't know cops very well, do you?

I grew up between New Orleans with NOPD and Colombia the country, I assure you I know cops very well.

Well, you don't know Jersey cops.

This is former officer Kieth Buckley, North Brunswick, NJ PD.

[imgick.nj.com image 620x432]

Do you know why he is crying?  He just got sentenced to prison for vehicular homicide...he killed another badge-clown.   All tough guys, until a taste of their own medicine, then the turn into snivelers.

Sorry, but I knoew NOPD and I know/knew Colombian cops during Escobar times, and now, who are far worse than any Jersey cop than you can imagine.

NJ is not the center of the universe, and they do not hold the lock on bad cops.

And not all cops are bad. Did one touch you on the nethers?


Who says so?  BTW, I didn't say Jersey cops were badass scumbags, just scumbags.  Cowards who got their jobs through nepotism or patronage.
 
2014-03-04 06:36:53 PM  

jchan334: Verdict came in:
 http://abcnews.go.com/US/rachel-canning-loses-suit-make-parents-pay -hi gh/story?id=22768908


"
A New Jersey family court judge ruled today that Rachel Canning's parents do not have to pay her high school tuition after she sued them to cover her schooling and living costs.
The judge delayed a ruling on whether the parents must pay the 18-year-old student's college tuition while asking lawyers to consider whether it's wise to "establish precedent where parents live in fear of establishing rules of the house?"
The judge also denied her request for attorney fees, although ruling that the parents should continue with weekly allowance and "child support" payments to their daughter.
The next hearing is scheduled for April 22."


Excellent.  I love how her lawyer was denied his $12k in fees.

What counts as "child support" though?
 
2014-03-04 06:48:01 PM  

what_now: theflatline: I do not consider 18 an adult, I certainly was not one when I was 18.

The US Military sure as hell does.


The US Military lets you enlist at 17.  Which is why we aren't signatories on the Convention of the Rights of the Child.  I wouldn't go by the US Military as a guide for adulthood.

And before anyone goes saying that my own citation (the CRC) proves the point let me say-- consonant with theflatline's point, I think-- that there is a difference between chronological/legal "age of adulthood" and "preparedness to take on adult responsibilities."  There are a lot of 14-year-olds around the world who are more "adult" than a lot of 40-year-olds or, for that matter, the average Farker-- myself included.  My point and, I think, theflatline's, is that for better or worse in American society most 18-year-olds are not prepared to take on adult responsibilities.  And I mean 'prepared' as a verb: as a rule we do not prepare 18 year olds for that.
 
2014-03-04 06:52:13 PM  
This thread should not have been pulled. It is MUCH better than the old one and has more information. For shame, mods.
 
2014-03-04 06:52:59 PM  

brimed03: what_now: theflatline: I do not consider 18 an adult, I certainly was not one when I was 18.

The US Military sure as hell does.

The US Military lets you enlist at 17.  Which is why we aren't signatories on the Convention of the Rights of the Child.  I wouldn't go by the US Military as a guide for adulthood.

And before anyone goes saying that my own citation (the CRC) proves the point let me say-- consonant with theflatline's point, I think-- that there is a difference between chronological/legal "age of adulthood" and "preparedness to take on adult responsibilities."  There are a lot of 14-year-olds around the world who are more "adult" than a lot of 40-year-olds or, for that matter, the average Farker-- myself included.  My point and, I think, theflatline's, is that for better or worse in American society most 18-year-olds are not prepared to take on adult responsibilities.  And I mean 'prepared' as a verb: as a rule we do not prepare 18 year olds for that.


My friend joined the USMC when he was 17.  His parents were divorced.  Dad was AWOL, mom was an alky.  His mother had to sign over custody to the USMC...which she was more than happy to do.  At 17 he became a ward of the USMC.
 
2014-03-04 07:09:32 PM  

Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?


I was fortunate to know this one.  2007 Investigator of the Year, International Association of Arson Inspectors; well-liked professor at NJCU; and Director of OSU's Center for Improvised Explosives.  Really good guy, decent, modest as hell.

Yeah, I know a lot of ahole Jersey cops too.  I also know a lot of ahole New York cops, Massachusetts cops, and Maryland cops.  And a lot of decent ones in each state too.  I agree that, as a whole, I'd probably find fewer people in the cop profession that I'd like to hang out with than I'd find in most other professions; but there are also a lot more really good ones than are generally credited.

Let's not be so quick to pull our big ignorant paintbrushes out of our big stinky asses back pockets, okay?
 
2014-03-04 07:14:29 PM  

brimed03: Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?

I was fortunate to know this one.  2007 Investigator of the Year, International Association of Arson Inspectors; well-liked professor at NJCU; and Director of OSU's Center for Improvised Explosives.  Really good guy, decent, modest as hell.

Yeah, I know a lot of ahole Jersey cops too.  I also know a lot of ahole New York cops, Massachusetts cops, and Maryland cops.  And a lot of decent ones in each state too.  I agree that, as a whole, I'd probably find fewer people in the cop profession that I'd like to hang out with than I'd find in most other professions; but there are also a lot more really good ones than are generally credited.

Let's not be so quick to pull our big ignorant paintbrushes out of our big stinky asses back pockets, okay?


That's great!  Did he catch this guy?  http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2013/05/edison_police_officer_c h arged_1.html
 
2014-03-04 07:33:38 PM  

jchan334: Verdict came in:
 http://abcnews.go.com/US/rachel-canning-loses-suit-make-parents-pay -hi gh/story?id=22768908


"
A New Jersey family court judge ruled today that Rachel Canning's parents do not have to pay her high school tuition after she sued them to cover her schooling and living costs.
The judge delayed a ruling on whether the parents must pay the 18-year-old student's college tuition while asking lawyers to consider whether it's wise to "establish precedent where parents live in fear of establishing rules of the house?"
The judge also denied her request for attorney fees, although ruling that the parents should continue with weekly allowance and "child support" payments to their daughter.
The next hearing is scheduled for April 22."


Hmm, that is funny. Now it says that the judge denied her request for weekly support also.

The funny thing is the parents said they would pay for the rest of her high school and give her access to her college fund before this ruling was made, but the girl still wanted to sue. Now they don't have to pay for high school, and may not have to pay for her college.
 
2014-03-04 07:39:24 PM  

WTFDYW: Sure is a lot of little shiatheads in this thread that think living under the parents roof with almost NO rules is silly. No wonder they are the ones that ask me if I want fries with that.

/sod off you little shiats
//you live under my roof, there will be some rules or you're the fark out of here


Sure are a lot of little shiatheads in this thread that think living under the parents' roof with almost NO independence is silly.  No wonder they are the ones whose daughters will be marrying for the alimony and sons will be drinking on the job as entry-level VPs at daddy's company.

/sod off you authoritarian shiats, trying to exercise control over others that your parents never let you have over your own life
//you live under my roof, damn straight I'm gonna teach you to make your own decisions and learn from your own mistakes before you leave
 
2014-03-04 07:43:52 PM  

WTFDYW: [img.fark.net image 780x225]The 7th picture is NSFW, LOL.
/WTF is that?


LOL these Rorchach tests really do reveal a lot about a person.

To anyone raised in a healthy home, that is a baby's hand wrapped around an adult's FINGER.

To anyone raised in a repressed home, that is a NSFW picture.

/Christ help your children.  And that is a prayer.
 
2014-03-04 07:50:57 PM  

Fissile: brimed03: what_now: theflatline: I do not consider 18 an adult, I certainly was not one when I was 18.

The US Military sure as hell does.

The US Military lets you enlist at 17.  Which is why we aren't signatories on the Convention of the Rights of the Child.  I wouldn't go by the US Military as a guide for adulthood.

And before anyone goes saying that my own citation (the CRC) proves the point let me say-- consonant with theflatline's point, I think-- that there is a difference between chronological/legal "age of adulthood" and "preparedness to take on adult responsibilities."  There are a lot of 14-year-olds around the world who are more "adult" than a lot of 40-year-olds or, for that matter, the average Farker-- myself included.  My point and, I think, theflatline's, is that for better or worse in American society most 18-year-olds are not prepared to take on adult responsibilities.  And I mean 'prepared' as a verb: as a rule we do not prepare 18 year olds for that.

My friend joined the USMC when he was 17.  His parents were divorced.  Dad was AWOL, mom was an alky.  His mother had to sign over custody to the USMC...which she was more than happy to do.  At 17 he became a ward of the USMC.


And the USMC made a man outta him.  Not being snarky, and it's probably true.  But note carefully the order of that: after he joined, they made a man-- and adult-- out of him.  You don't provide a lot of context so I don't know what your intent was with this comment, but to me it's just another sad example of parents failing at their responsibilities and the military being our society's main option for those kids who have the guts-- or lack the options-- to let that organization help them grow up.

Imagine that.  The lone superpower and the only organized way we have of helping kids grow up is to train them for killing.
 
2014-03-04 07:53:51 PM  

Fissile: brimed03: Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?

I was fortunate to know this one.  2007 Investigator of the Year, International Association of Arson Inspectors; well-liked professor at NJCU; and Director of OSU's Center for Improvised Explosives.  Really good guy, decent, modest as hell.

Yeah, I know a lot of ahole Jersey cops too.  I also know a lot of ahole New York cops, Massachusetts cops, and Maryland cops.  And a lot of decent ones in each state too.  I agree that, as a whole, I'd probably find fewer people in the cop profession that I'd like to hang out with than I'd find in most other professions; but there are also a lot more really good ones than are generally credited.

Let's not be so quick to pull our big ignorant paintbrushes out of our big stinky asses back pockets, okay?

That's great!  Did he catch this guy?  http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2013/05/edison_police_officer_c h arged_1.html


No, but he did catch these assholes.  Mods, the full expletive is warranted in this instance.  These two bastards killed three students because they were pissed an RA told them to be quiet, and then their families conspired to help them avoid taking responsibility for it.  Golly, imagine that.
 
2014-03-04 08:40:38 PM  

brimed03: And the USMC made a man outta him.  Not being snarky, and it's probably true.  But note carefully the order of that: after he joined, they made a man-- and adult-- out of him.  You don't provide a lot of context so I don't know what your intent was with this comment, but to me it's just another sad example of parents failing at their responsibilities and the military being our society's main option for those kids who have the guts-- or lack the options-- to let that organization help them grow up.

Imagine that.  The lone superpower and the only organized way we have of helping kids grow up is to train them for killing.


So they...  The marines, they had sex with him?
 
2014-03-04 11:49:00 PM  

WTFDYW: This thread should not have been pulled. It is MUCH better than the old one and has more information. For shame, mods.


This thread is red, and the green thread is locked.
 
2014-03-05 01:48:22 AM  

brimed03: As someone who worked in Student Affairs for 15 years and actually knew tons of FAO (FinAidOfficers) and tons of students on Financial Aid: you are an ahole who has no idea what he's talking about.

Absolutely.  None.


Keep sucking up that government cheese. It's a great gig if you can get it, but don't try to bullshiat anyone. You're only goal is to make as much money for yourself while sticking dumb kids with a life time of debt. And everyone knows it.
 
2014-03-05 01:56:45 AM  
Oh, and I love how these "college" financial aid officers who work for chicken shiat enterprises like Countrywide Mortgage masquerading as educational companies know the difference between a poor kid and a poor kid from a single parent family with a non-custodial parent they can soak for a few more years.

F*cking douchebags. You all ought to be lined up and shot.
 
2014-03-05 03:01:26 AM  
I like how the guys who are all for marriage equality think only divorced people should be forced to pay. It's like: Hey biatch, I stayed married all those years and now I get a f*cking peace dividend of not paying for college, so f*ck you!
 
2014-03-05 07:53:21 AM  
The rules a child (and that is the point of this lawsuit - she wants to remain a child) lives under should relate directly to how mature and responsible the child is acting. If she is getting her school work done, staying out of trouble, doing positive things with her extra time, then she should have fewer strict rules.

This girl:

Judge Peter Bogaard noted that Rachel Canning's behavior over the past year has been in question -- one or two school suspensions, drinking, losing her captaincy on the cheerleading squad and being kicked out of the campus ministry.

was dropping the ball and screwing up big time. So the parents were absolutely correct in cracking down. College acceptances tend to go bye bye if you are repeatedly suspended Senior year. And if the problems started when she started dating the boy, then they were also not unreasonable in telling her to dump the loser.

You get to help make the house rules when you demonstrate that you are mature enough to do so.
 
2014-03-05 09:33:25 AM  

jst3p: incrdbil: 18--she's an adult. Parents are obligated to pay nothing.

College fund can be withdrawn, with penalty, and once they do so, she gets nothing. I'd do so immediately. It may not even be in her name in the first place, so no worries there.

She cannot obligate her parents on a student loan. unless the parents legally sign on as co-signers, it is not their problem.

Really, screw thsi lying biatch. Follow up article has lovely detail about her.  Sadly, the parents have a complete failure of a human being as their offspring. Write her off as a loss, destroy her belongings, change all of the locks, and move on.

Reading the thread might have helped prevent you from making such inaccurate posts.


There is nothign inaccurate in what I said. If the parents take the step of emptying out her college fund (and takin gthe penalty for doing so) there is no more college fund, and she gets nothing.  Thats the closest part of my comments that could be challenged.  If you think parents can be obligated to pay back lons they did not co-sign for, that is your mistake.  sure, loan collecters may lie about it, but it doesnt make it legal. This is not a child support situation. thsi is a selfish, stupid biatch who might be listenign to much do the sugar daddy is is farking her while she crashes at his house.

If this dimwit wants to go to a fancy college, someone point her to a strip club and go find her own 'scholarship'.  she meets the requirements: she's female, has no cimpunctiosn about trying to exploit people for money, and she has no soul.
 
2014-03-05 11:30:40 AM  

brimed03: quietwalker: He's a lawyer and 'funding the case' to the current tune of 12,000USD.

That doesn't mean he spent $12k on her.  It means that he spent a given amount of time, at some arbitrary x dollars per hour helping her submit a couple of fill-in-the-blanks style forms, and spoke with her about it over dinner.  This behavior is by no means restricted to lawyers.  For example, I self funded a $200,000 computer upgrade for my parents.  I spent about 3 hours fixing up their system last Christmas and after all the various requirements such as travel, lack of payment guarantor, needing to use my own tools, etc -  at around $65k/hr. Since I was paying myself, I waived the costs.  I suppose if I had set up a LLC, I could claim a net loss for tax purposes ...

On the other hand, only lawyers feel the need to publicly state costs like that, usually as an attempt to court public opinion.

I'm trying to process these numbers.  Could you explain again how you came up with a figure of $65,000 per hour?  Are you a Pentagon contractor?


Oh, I just charge what the market bears.  In this case, since I had a lot of trust in this specific contractor, I was willing to cover up to 2 million an hour, just for peace of mind - not to mention that it's pretty much warrantied for life at that point.  He cut me a deal though since he likes working for me.

It does sort of hammer home the concept of pricing in a service industry:  the price is whatever you can get a customer to agree to pay, not what it's actually worth.

I can guarantee that a lawyer who is 'footing the bill' for his own work in serving some papers and showing up in court isn't realizing a hit to their bank account, even if they claim a massive financial impact. They're just counting potential wages lost in the same way the recording industry does.  It's a hustle to garner sympathy and ratchet up severity.
 
2014-03-05 05:03:44 PM  

Degenz: brimed03: As someone who worked in Student Affairs for 15 years and actually knew tons of FAO (FinAidOfficers) and tons of students on Financial Aid: you are an ahole who has no idea what he's talking about.

Absolutely.  None.

Keep sucking up that government cheese. It's a great gig if you can get it, but don't try to bullshiat anyone. You're only goal is to make as much money for yourself while sticking dumb kids with a life time of debt. And everyone knows it.


Wow, you are a shining beacon of ignorance, aren't you?

- "government cheese"  -  yeah, I worked for private, non-profit universities.  shut up.
- "you're"  - It's "your."  shut up.
- "make as much money"  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA try looking up entry-to-midlevel SAO salaries.  shut up.
- "everyone knows it" -  yeah, I see all the people jumping up to agree with you here!  shut up.

In summary: SHUT UP.
 
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