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2014-03-04 06:52:13 PM  
This thread should not have been pulled. It is MUCH better than the old one and has more information. For shame, mods.
 
2014-03-04 06:52:59 PM  

brimed03: what_now: theflatline: I do not consider 18 an adult, I certainly was not one when I was 18.

The US Military sure as hell does.

The US Military lets you enlist at 17.  Which is why we aren't signatories on the Convention of the Rights of the Child.  I wouldn't go by the US Military as a guide for adulthood.

And before anyone goes saying that my own citation (the CRC) proves the point let me say-- consonant with theflatline's point, I think-- that there is a difference between chronological/legal "age of adulthood" and "preparedness to take on adult responsibilities."  There are a lot of 14-year-olds around the world who are more "adult" than a lot of 40-year-olds or, for that matter, the average Farker-- myself included.  My point and, I think, theflatline's, is that for better or worse in American society most 18-year-olds are not prepared to take on adult responsibilities.  And I mean 'prepared' as a verb: as a rule we do not prepare 18 year olds for that.


My friend joined the USMC when he was 17.  His parents were divorced.  Dad was AWOL, mom was an alky.  His mother had to sign over custody to the USMC...which she was more than happy to do.  At 17 he became a ward of the USMC.
 
2014-03-04 07:09:32 PM  

Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?


I was fortunate to know this one.  2007 Investigator of the Year, International Association of Arson Inspectors; well-liked professor at NJCU; and Director of OSU's Center for Improvised Explosives.  Really good guy, decent, modest as hell.

Yeah, I know a lot of ahole Jersey cops too.  I also know a lot of ahole New York cops, Massachusetts cops, and Maryland cops.  And a lot of decent ones in each state too.  I agree that, as a whole, I'd probably find fewer people in the cop profession that I'd like to hang out with than I'd find in most other professions; but there are also a lot more really good ones than are generally credited.

Let's not be so quick to pull our big ignorant paintbrushes out of our big stinky asses back pockets, okay?
 
2014-03-04 07:14:29 PM  

brimed03: Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?

I was fortunate to know this one.  2007 Investigator of the Year, International Association of Arson Inspectors; well-liked professor at NJCU; and Director of OSU's Center for Improvised Explosives.  Really good guy, decent, modest as hell.

Yeah, I know a lot of ahole Jersey cops too.  I also know a lot of ahole New York cops, Massachusetts cops, and Maryland cops.  And a lot of decent ones in each state too.  I agree that, as a whole, I'd probably find fewer people in the cop profession that I'd like to hang out with than I'd find in most other professions; but there are also a lot more really good ones than are generally credited.

Let's not be so quick to pull our big ignorant paintbrushes out of our big stinky asses back pockets, okay?


That's great!  Did he catch this guy?  http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2013/05/edison_police_officer_c h arged_1.html
 
2014-03-04 07:33:38 PM  

jchan334: Verdict came in:
 http://abcnews.go.com/US/rachel-canning-loses-suit-make-parents-pay -hi gh/story?id=22768908


"
A New Jersey family court judge ruled today that Rachel Canning's parents do not have to pay her high school tuition after she sued them to cover her schooling and living costs.
The judge delayed a ruling on whether the parents must pay the 18-year-old student's college tuition while asking lawyers to consider whether it's wise to "establish precedent where parents live in fear of establishing rules of the house?"
The judge also denied her request for attorney fees, although ruling that the parents should continue with weekly allowance and "child support" payments to their daughter.
The next hearing is scheduled for April 22."


Hmm, that is funny. Now it says that the judge denied her request for weekly support also.

The funny thing is the parents said they would pay for the rest of her high school and give her access to her college fund before this ruling was made, but the girl still wanted to sue. Now they don't have to pay for high school, and may not have to pay for her college.
 
2014-03-04 07:39:24 PM  

WTFDYW: Sure is a lot of little shiatheads in this thread that think living under the parents roof with almost NO rules is silly. No wonder they are the ones that ask me if I want fries with that.

/sod off you little shiats
//you live under my roof, there will be some rules or you're the fark out of here


Sure are a lot of little shiatheads in this thread that think living under the parents' roof with almost NO independence is silly.  No wonder they are the ones whose daughters will be marrying for the alimony and sons will be drinking on the job as entry-level VPs at daddy's company.

/sod off you authoritarian shiats, trying to exercise control over others that your parents never let you have over your own life
//you live under my roof, damn straight I'm gonna teach you to make your own decisions and learn from your own mistakes before you leave
 
2014-03-04 07:43:52 PM  

WTFDYW: [img.fark.net image 780x225]The 7th picture is NSFW, LOL.
/WTF is that?


LOL these Rorchach tests really do reveal a lot about a person.

To anyone raised in a healthy home, that is a baby's hand wrapped around an adult's FINGER.

To anyone raised in a repressed home, that is a NSFW picture.

/Christ help your children.  And that is a prayer.
 
2014-03-04 07:50:57 PM  

Fissile: brimed03: what_now: theflatline: I do not consider 18 an adult, I certainly was not one when I was 18.

The US Military sure as hell does.

The US Military lets you enlist at 17.  Which is why we aren't signatories on the Convention of the Rights of the Child.  I wouldn't go by the US Military as a guide for adulthood.

And before anyone goes saying that my own citation (the CRC) proves the point let me say-- consonant with theflatline's point, I think-- that there is a difference between chronological/legal "age of adulthood" and "preparedness to take on adult responsibilities."  There are a lot of 14-year-olds around the world who are more "adult" than a lot of 40-year-olds or, for that matter, the average Farker-- myself included.  My point and, I think, theflatline's, is that for better or worse in American society most 18-year-olds are not prepared to take on adult responsibilities.  And I mean 'prepared' as a verb: as a rule we do not prepare 18 year olds for that.

My friend joined the USMC when he was 17.  His parents were divorced.  Dad was AWOL, mom was an alky.  His mother had to sign over custody to the USMC...which she was more than happy to do.  At 17 he became a ward of the USMC.


And the USMC made a man outta him.  Not being snarky, and it's probably true.  But note carefully the order of that: after he joined, they made a man-- and adult-- out of him.  You don't provide a lot of context so I don't know what your intent was with this comment, but to me it's just another sad example of parents failing at their responsibilities and the military being our society's main option for those kids who have the guts-- or lack the options-- to let that organization help them grow up.

Imagine that.  The lone superpower and the only organized way we have of helping kids grow up is to train them for killing.
 
2014-03-04 07:53:51 PM  

Fissile: brimed03: Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?

I was fortunate to know this one.  2007 Investigator of the Year, International Association of Arson Inspectors; well-liked professor at NJCU; and Director of OSU's Center for Improvised Explosives.  Really good guy, decent, modest as hell.

Yeah, I know a lot of ahole Jersey cops too.  I also know a lot of ahole New York cops, Massachusetts cops, and Maryland cops.  And a lot of decent ones in each state too.  I agree that, as a whole, I'd probably find fewer people in the cop profession that I'd like to hang out with than I'd find in most other professions; but there are also a lot more really good ones than are generally credited.

Let's not be so quick to pull our big ignorant paintbrushes out of our big stinky asses back pockets, okay?

That's great!  Did he catch this guy?  http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2013/05/edison_police_officer_c h arged_1.html


No, but he did catch these assholes.  Mods, the full expletive is warranted in this instance.  These two bastards killed three students because they were pissed an RA told them to be quiet, and then their families conspired to help them avoid taking responsibility for it.  Golly, imagine that.
 
2014-03-04 08:40:38 PM  

brimed03: And the USMC made a man outta him.  Not being snarky, and it's probably true.  But note carefully the order of that: after he joined, they made a man-- and adult-- out of him.  You don't provide a lot of context so I don't know what your intent was with this comment, but to me it's just another sad example of parents failing at their responsibilities and the military being our society's main option for those kids who have the guts-- or lack the options-- to let that organization help them grow up.

Imagine that.  The lone superpower and the only organized way we have of helping kids grow up is to train them for killing.


So they...  The marines, they had sex with him?
 
2014-03-04 11:49:00 PM  

WTFDYW: This thread should not have been pulled. It is MUCH better than the old one and has more information. For shame, mods.


This thread is red, and the green thread is locked.
 
2014-03-05 01:48:22 AM  

brimed03: As someone who worked in Student Affairs for 15 years and actually knew tons of FAO (FinAidOfficers) and tons of students on Financial Aid: you are an ahole who has no idea what he's talking about.

Absolutely.  None.


Keep sucking up that government cheese. It's a great gig if you can get it, but don't try to bullshiat anyone. You're only goal is to make as much money for yourself while sticking dumb kids with a life time of debt. And everyone knows it.
 
2014-03-05 01:56:45 AM  
Oh, and I love how these "college" financial aid officers who work for chicken shiat enterprises like Countrywide Mortgage masquerading as educational companies know the difference between a poor kid and a poor kid from a single parent family with a non-custodial parent they can soak for a few more years.

F*cking douchebags. You all ought to be lined up and shot.
 
2014-03-05 03:01:26 AM  
I like how the guys who are all for marriage equality think only divorced people should be forced to pay. It's like: Hey biatch, I stayed married all those years and now I get a f*cking peace dividend of not paying for college, so f*ck you!
 
2014-03-05 07:53:21 AM  
The rules a child (and that is the point of this lawsuit - she wants to remain a child) lives under should relate directly to how mature and responsible the child is acting. If she is getting her school work done, staying out of trouble, doing positive things with her extra time, then she should have fewer strict rules.

This girl:

Judge Peter Bogaard noted that Rachel Canning's behavior over the past year has been in question -- one or two school suspensions, drinking, losing her captaincy on the cheerleading squad and being kicked out of the campus ministry.

was dropping the ball and screwing up big time. So the parents were absolutely correct in cracking down. College acceptances tend to go bye bye if you are repeatedly suspended Senior year. And if the problems started when she started dating the boy, then they were also not unreasonable in telling her to dump the loser.

You get to help make the house rules when you demonstrate that you are mature enough to do so.
 
2014-03-05 09:33:25 AM  

jst3p: incrdbil: 18--she's an adult. Parents are obligated to pay nothing.

College fund can be withdrawn, with penalty, and once they do so, she gets nothing. I'd do so immediately. It may not even be in her name in the first place, so no worries there.

She cannot obligate her parents on a student loan. unless the parents legally sign on as co-signers, it is not their problem.

Really, screw thsi lying biatch. Follow up article has lovely detail about her.  Sadly, the parents have a complete failure of a human being as their offspring. Write her off as a loss, destroy her belongings, change all of the locks, and move on.

Reading the thread might have helped prevent you from making such inaccurate posts.


There is nothign inaccurate in what I said. If the parents take the step of emptying out her college fund (and takin gthe penalty for doing so) there is no more college fund, and she gets nothing.  Thats the closest part of my comments that could be challenged.  If you think parents can be obligated to pay back lons they did not co-sign for, that is your mistake.  sure, loan collecters may lie about it, but it doesnt make it legal. This is not a child support situation. thsi is a selfish, stupid biatch who might be listenign to much do the sugar daddy is is farking her while she crashes at his house.

If this dimwit wants to go to a fancy college, someone point her to a strip club and go find her own 'scholarship'.  she meets the requirements: she's female, has no cimpunctiosn about trying to exploit people for money, and she has no soul.
 
2014-03-05 11:30:40 AM  

brimed03: quietwalker: He's a lawyer and 'funding the case' to the current tune of 12,000USD.

That doesn't mean he spent $12k on her.  It means that he spent a given amount of time, at some arbitrary x dollars per hour helping her submit a couple of fill-in-the-blanks style forms, and spoke with her about it over dinner.  This behavior is by no means restricted to lawyers.  For example, I self funded a $200,000 computer upgrade for my parents.  I spent about 3 hours fixing up their system last Christmas and after all the various requirements such as travel, lack of payment guarantor, needing to use my own tools, etc -  at around $65k/hr. Since I was paying myself, I waived the costs.  I suppose if I had set up a LLC, I could claim a net loss for tax purposes ...

On the other hand, only lawyers feel the need to publicly state costs like that, usually as an attempt to court public opinion.

I'm trying to process these numbers.  Could you explain again how you came up with a figure of $65,000 per hour?  Are you a Pentagon contractor?


Oh, I just charge what the market bears.  In this case, since I had a lot of trust in this specific contractor, I was willing to cover up to 2 million an hour, just for peace of mind - not to mention that it's pretty much warrantied for life at that point.  He cut me a deal though since he likes working for me.

It does sort of hammer home the concept of pricing in a service industry:  the price is whatever you can get a customer to agree to pay, not what it's actually worth.

I can guarantee that a lawyer who is 'footing the bill' for his own work in serving some papers and showing up in court isn't realizing a hit to their bank account, even if they claim a massive financial impact. They're just counting potential wages lost in the same way the recording industry does.  It's a hustle to garner sympathy and ratchet up severity.
 
2014-03-05 05:03:44 PM  

Degenz: brimed03: As someone who worked in Student Affairs for 15 years and actually knew tons of FAO (FinAidOfficers) and tons of students on Financial Aid: you are an ahole who has no idea what he's talking about.

Absolutely.  None.

Keep sucking up that government cheese. It's a great gig if you can get it, but don't try to bullshiat anyone. You're only goal is to make as much money for yourself while sticking dumb kids with a life time of debt. And everyone knows it.


Wow, you are a shining beacon of ignorance, aren't you?

- "government cheese"  -  yeah, I worked for private, non-profit universities.  shut up.
- "you're"  - It's "your."  shut up.
- "make as much money"  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA try looking up entry-to-midlevel SAO salaries.  shut up.
- "everyone knows it" -  yeah, I see all the people jumping up to agree with you here!  shut up.

In summary: SHUT UP.
 
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