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2014-03-04 04:41:42 PM

Jim_Callahan: Scrotastic Method: Degenz: All parents have a duty to support their kids regardless of the child's age or marital status.

Are you alleging that if a human being is say, 33 years old, and married, that there's a conceivable situation where that human could legally demand support from the parents?

There is: if the parents have listed them as legal dependents and filed the appropriate paperwork.

Sometimes the paperwork is optional if the support's been continuous (i.e. they've listed you as a financial dependent since you were 18 without interruption).

You can also get declared legally incompetent and remanded to their care by a judge.

// The case in TFA, where you're over the age of majority and explicitly, intentionally move out, is not usually one where you can demand benefits, though, no.


This is still "he said, she said" at this point.

Email exchange in other article starts with her: Can I come back?
Dad responds: Only if you do x,y, and z. Otherwise, no.

Kind of seems to me that they kicked her out of the house as a semi-reasonable tactic to get her to change her ways, so she can get the things she likes back, and realizes she's being hateful and selfish.
She came back suing.
Take that, moderate disciplinary tactics.
 
2014-03-04 04:41:59 PM

tlars699: Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?  Didn't like the boyfriend usually means he's not white, or mooslime, or some such thing.  If he was a juiced-up thug, like dad, on the other hand, is OK.

Or you know, the real boyfriend could be the lawyer-dad, who is old and fat and rich. :\


You have any idea how nasty small town politics are in Jersey?  No one gets to be chief of police in a Jersey town without farking over a lot of people along the way.  Maybe the lawyer that's suing him is one of the people he farked.  Payback is biatch.
 
2014-03-04 04:43:56 PM
Looks like this topic is now dead/deleted.. Ah well.
 
2014-03-04 04:44:12 PM

tlars699: /up from 560
//within a year
///Go Me!


Nice work.  My credit is currently outstanding, lenders love me, but it did take a few years and a lot of on-time car payments and such.  There's more to the story, but don't want to AW.  That said, good job, keep the credit up; it's so important in life.  It's the modern equivalent of honor and reputation.  Strangers will trust you based upon that.
 
2014-03-04 04:44:15 PM

Fissile: tlars699: Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?  Didn't like the boyfriend usually means he's not white, or mooslime, or some such thing.  If he was a juiced-up thug, like dad, on the other hand, is OK.

Or you know, the real boyfriend could be the lawyer-dad, who is old and fat and rich. :\

You have any idea how nasty small town politics are in Jersey?  No one gets to be chief of police in a Jersey town without farking over a lot of people along the way.  Maybe the lawyer that's suing him is one of the people he farked.  Payback is biatch.


u mad, bro?
 
2014-03-04 04:45:01 PM

Degenz: Scrotastic Method:  You're assuming what_now is a predatory lender instead of, say, admissions counselor? Guy at an inner-city non-profit helping kids pay for school? Lots of possibilities behind what they wrote.

Same thing. Most of the public debt is held by student borrowers today. Anyone can go get a free student loan nowadays for the asking regardless of credit worthiness or any other factor.

You have worthless educators like Phoenix University and dozens of others being a conduit for fraud that only benefits the employees of these low life enterprises. And many of them include community colleges who sign up students for four year degrees who can't even pass a GED test.

Then, they contract with text book publishers who are also scoundrels and take their share of the loot. The whole thing is a scam.

Not every kid needs to or is able to get a college degree. But this industry that has grown around giving loans to people who can't pay them and only benefits the little peckerwoods in tight circles of academia is an obvious sham.


The backlash is starting to build - The Feds just sued ITT for scamming students.
 
2014-03-04 04:45:44 PM

Degenz: Anyone can go get a free student loan nowadays for the asking regardless of credit worthiness or any other factor.


Nowadays. Since the Higher Education Act of 1965
 
2014-03-04 04:47:28 PM

sycraft: A curfew is a little silly. I'm not saying it is totally out of the question, but I'd need to know why, and the reason needs to be pretty good. Heck, I didn't have a curfew when I was 16. That didn't mean I had permission to stay out at late as I wanted, but no silly shiat of "You be home by this precise time OR ELSE!" The reason I see it as a warning is combined with the "You can't date this person," thing. It just smacks of a controlling attitude where they want to dictate what she can and can't do in all respects.


when your child has an eating disorder, has stolen from you and her siblings and has shown a pattern of self destructive behavior it is not unreasonable to place stricter rules on said child than one who has not had issues with mental and physical illness, stealing and self destructive behavior.
 
2014-03-04 04:47:58 PM

Dr.Fey: tlars699: /up from 560
//within a year
///Go Me!

Nice work.  My credit is currently outstanding, lenders love me, but it did take a few years and a lot of on-time car payments and such.  There's more to the story, but don't want to AW.  That said, good job, keep the credit up; it's so important in life.  It's the modern equivalent of honor and reputation.  Strangers will trust you based upon that.


Thanks! Just slow and steady tortoise is me.

Legit Q: Wiser course of action: a. Buy a 5 acre plot of land for $20,000 within 3 years, pay off in similar sized loan to car payments in 15 years, and re-mortgage to build own house? or b. Buy a 5 acre plot of land with pre-built house for $200,000 within 8 years, pay off in 30.

Reasons for so long is to save up for down payments involved. :\
 
2014-03-04 04:48:20 PM
"for her to become a biomedical engineer"

Right, good luck with that. Gee, guess what news stories are going to fill up the first page of google a few years from now when a prospective employer looks at your name on a resume. Entitled whininess, frivolous lawsuits, and childish helplessness. Yeah, lets hire the helpless entitled lawsuit happy biatch. I absolutely guarantee your resume is going into the trash with a chuckle, and nary a second thought. Have fun being a sugar-daddy whore.
 
2014-03-04 04:48:54 PM

Jim_Callahan: There is: if the parents have listed them as legal dependents and filed the appropriate paperwork.

Sometimes the paperwork is optional if the support's been continuous (i.e. they've listed you as a financial dependent since you were 18 without interruption).

You can also get declared legally incompetent and remanded to their care by a judge.

// The case in TFA, where you're over the age of majority and explicitly, intentionally move out, is not usually one where you can demand benefits, though, no.


There all manner of circumstances where a parent can be obligated to support a child beyond majority. It just depends...

I have seen anyone argue the case in TFA yet, just a bunch of trolls biatching and moaning.
 
2014-03-04 04:49:41 PM

tlchwi02: sycraft: A curfew is a little silly. I'm not saying it is totally out of the question, but I'd need to know why, and the reason needs to be pretty good. Heck, I didn't have a curfew when I was 16. That didn't mean I had permission to stay out at late as I wanted, but no silly shiat of "You be home by this precise time OR ELSE!" The reason I see it as a warning is combined with the "You can't date this person," thing. It just smacks of a controlling attitude where they want to dictate what she can and can't do in all respects.

when your child has an eating disorder, has stolen from you and her siblings and has shown a pattern of self destructive behavior it is not unreasonable to place stricter rules on said child than one who has not had issues with mental and physical illness, stealing and self destructive behavior.


And when it was your control issues that caused all of this acting-out behavior in the first place?
 
2014-03-04 04:50:17 PM

tlars699: Fissile: tlars699: Fissile: Crewmannumber6: Fissile: Apparently dad kicked out his little snowflake because he didn't approve of her boyfriend.  I'm gonna guess the boyfriend was too, oh, I don't know, too black?   Jersey cops are so racist, they make the KKK look like the Rainbow coalition by comparison.

Nothing like a little unfounded speculation to unnecessarily inflame a thread.

How many Jersey cops do you know?  Didn't like the boyfriend usually means he's not white, or mooslime, or some such thing.  If he was a juiced-up thug, like dad, on the other hand, is OK.

Or you know, the real boyfriend could be the lawyer-dad, who is old and fat and rich. :\

You have any idea how nasty small town politics are in Jersey?  No one gets to be chief of police in a Jersey town without farking over a lot of people along the way.  Maybe the lawyer that's suing him is one of the people he farked.  Payback is biatch.

u mad, bro?


Have I not made that clear?
 
2014-03-04 04:51:02 PM

happyleper: bratface: Isn't this a rerun from yesterday?

Yes, and I'm a little surprised it took about 140 posts before someone pointed it out.


Sorry I was a little late to the party.
 
2014-03-04 04:51:54 PM

noblewolf: When I turned 18, I did not want my parents to pay for college since they spent all that time an money getting me to that point.  I looked at my options, and found that the military would train me, house me, feed me and would pay for college when my time was up.  There is always an option.  Some would rather be twat waffles and be more of  a burden on their family even after they are legally an adult.


I'm not disagreeing with your main theme about there being options.  I'll also say that what you did, for the reasons you did it, is awesome and your folks raised an unusually thoughtful kid.

But in this instance... short of "The Bad Seed," kids and situations like this are usually of the parents' making.  Damned by their own words, it sounds like the parents did not raise their daughter to be an independent person.  How we are raised (by multiple influences, but especially parents) creates a frame in which we operate and in which we are often trapped.  Too narrow a comfort zone makes the kind of solution you're suggesting unthinkable for a kid like that.  And in her case, even at 18 she is still a kid, because she hasn't been raised to be an adult.

Not knowing you, I can't cite a parallel that would help you get into her frame.  But think of doing something, something not fun, and so far outside your experience that you would be hesitant to even think of it (yes, that's contradictory, which is kind of my point).  Something you would mentally shy away from even considering.  It may be easier to come up with something from another culture.  But something that at least some other people seem able to do.

And hey, maybe you can't.  Maybe you had the benefit of parents who raised you to have faith in yourself, to believe yourself capable of doing anything.  And it's weird to think of that as a benefit, but that's what it is: you were never guaranteed cool parents who raised you to believe in yourself.  And if that's the case, thank them once again.  Because many, if not most children today do not get that kind of assurance.  Helicopter parenting and boogie-man news stories have created a world where children are sheltered from their own shadows.

Likely enough, this girl cannot wrap her head around the idea anything other than having a parental-type figure pay for her education.  Sure, options like "the military" might pop into her head, or someone might suggest it; and she would mentally shy away from that as you might physically shy away from an open hand being swung at your face.  For someone raised to be passive, it seems to scary, or maybe just too hard.  And yes, I expect a lot of judgmental Farkers will zero in on those last two words.  Again: you're dealing with someone who was not raised to believe in her ability to get what she wants through hard work, or even just to work hard in anything more than a get-solid-grades sense.  It's sad, but you can't then turn around and call the parents blameless, or expect the kid to plunge into the deep end by joining the military or getting a job at Costco and going to night school.  She hasn't been conditioned to do that.

And likely enough, without serious intervention, that pattern will play out throughout her life.  She will always need someone to pay her way through-- not because she's a spoiled, self-entitled little biatch, but because at bottom she has so little confidence in her ability to do anything except convince others to pay her way that that's all she's left with. You really think she wants to be this way?  Eh, she probably hasn't thought about it yet.  But when she's 42 and divorced and working as a barmaid and throwing herself at every "rich" guy who comes into the place, and going home every night frightened about the future-- you really think she's going to want to be that way?  But it's all she knows, because no one ever gave her the confidence and skills to make it on her own.

I just feel bad for this poor kid.  She's got a hard life ahead, and it's almost certainly her parents' fault.

/that said, the mark of adulthood is that you stop blaming your parents for what you are.  They may have made you that way, but now it's up to you to fix it.  Some terms and conditions apply, ymmv.
//also: what a bad seed might look like (no, this isn't a mirror or stolen from your childhood photo album):
images.popmatters.com
 
2014-03-04 04:53:44 PM

sycraft: jst3p: I agree with the who she can date thing being over the top and hopelessly unenforceable, but I don't see any other rules, including a curfew, that I would deem unreasona ...

A curfew is a little silly. I'm not saying it is totally out of the question, but I'd need to know why, and the reason needs to be pretty good. Heck, I didn't have a curfew when I was 16. That didn't mean I had permission to stay out at late as I wanted, but no silly shiat of "You be home by this precise time OR ELSE!" The reason I see it as a warning is combined with the "You can't date this person," thing. It just smacks of a controlling attitude where they want to dictate what she can and can't do in all respects.

Also it just seems stupid to me to do to an adult, which is what someone is at 18 (and as parents you should have prepared them for that). I mean I look it as would I do that to my sister and her fiance? They'll be coming to stay with me this summer for vacation, and I am working of course. I cannot imagine telling them "Ok your curfew is 11, you need to be at home and in your room by then!" or some bullshiat. Sure I suppose it is my right since "My roof, my rules," but it would just seem extremely dickish and arbitrary. Now, if they were out partying late and came home being loud at 3am, I'd say "Hey guys, don't do that, I have to work tomorrow." But I wouldn't set some arbitrary rule without good reason.

It just really strikes me that these parents have serious control issues. Daughter may be an entitled brat, but that doesn't mean being a controlling douche is the proper response.


It doesn't sound at all like their rules are arbitrary.
 
2014-03-04 04:56:35 PM

quietwalker: He's a lawyer and 'funding the case' to the current tune of 12,000USD.

That doesn't mean he spent $12k on her.  It means that he spent a given amount of time, at some arbitrary x dollars per hour helping her submit a couple of fill-in-the-blanks style forms, and spoke with her about it over dinner.  This behavior is by no means restricted to lawyers.  For example, I self funded a $200,000 computer upgrade for my parents.  I spent about 3 hours fixing up their system last Christmas and after all the various requirements such as travel, lack of payment guarantor, needing to use my own tools, etc -  at around $65k/hr. Since I was paying myself, I waived the costs.  I suppose if I had set up a LLC, I could claim a net loss for tax purposes ...

On the other hand, only lawyers feel the need to publicly state costs like that, usually as an attempt to court public opinion.


I'm trying to process these numbers.  Could you explain again how you came up with a figure of $65,000 per hour?  Are you a Pentagon contractor?
 
2014-03-04 05:02:04 PM

JNowe: You're in Kansas?  Child support ends the June 30th following graduation from high school.   Secondary education generally means high school in the US.

I'll check out the band tho.


You're probably right. Although there are multiple jurisdictions involved I did have success arguing that Kansas law should prevail in a recent hearing. I don't live on the Kansas side now for good reason.
 
2014-03-04 05:04:02 PM
Null Pointer:  My house=My rules

jst3p: Bullshiat. "The rules" of my house are made by anyone who pays the mortgage. I don't care if it is my 18 year old daughter or my parents, my house my rules.

And these, ladies and gentlemen, are Exhibits A and B of my thesis that parents who raise kids without allowing them a shred of independence inherit kids who haven't got a shred of independence.

/can't wait to see your stories in the funny Farklinks!
 
2014-03-04 05:05:11 PM
OK, so here is another weird thing: the parents showed up with a completed investigation from child services saying they are OK parents.

That's exactly like saying "I'm not crazy.  My mom had me tested."

Abusive, not abusive, whatever.  It's opening with "I am not a crook."
 
2014-03-04 05:07:56 PM

what_now: Degenz: Anyone can go get a free student loan nowadays for the asking regardless of credit worthiness or any other factor.

Nowadays. Since the Higher Education Act of 1965


Make your living off approving loans to high school dropouts with no hope of getting said degree, while saddling them with debt. How nice.
 
2014-03-04 05:08:22 PM

James Rieper: OK, so here is another weird thing: the parents showed up with a completed investigation from child services saying they are OK parents.

That's exactly like saying "I'm not crazy.  My mom had me tested."

Abusive, not abusive, whatever.  It's opening with "I am not a crook."


I dunno, those child service places seem to get a hard-on from taking kids away from parents, and seem to do so on very flimsy grounds.  For them to say "these guys are OK" says something.
 
2014-03-04 05:11:26 PM

Joe Blowme: [fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net image 701x573]


As someone who was on the receiving end of that more than a few times: FARK YOU.

And I love my parents, they did their best and did a damn fine job, thankyouverymuch.  They really were good parents.  Except in this one area.

Hitting a kid with a leather belt is never acceptable.  Ever.  All you're doing, as a parent, is (a) releasing your frustrations-- on a tiny human form-- and (b) teaching your kid to be afraid or vengeful.

/no, I don't like saying this in a public forum.  my personal life is not your farking business.
//but i decided to anyway because it needs to be said.  idiots like you need to be publicly countered.
 
2014-03-04 05:11:30 PM

OdradekRex: The backlash is starting to build - The Feds just sued ITT for scamming students.


Good! Scamming stupid young people and indebting them for life ought to be a crime.
 
2014-03-04 05:11:46 PM

tlars699: Legit Q: Wiser course of action: a. Buy a 5 acre plot of land for $20,000 within 3 years, pay off in similar sized loan to car payments in 15 years, and re-mortgage to build own house? or b. Buy a 5 acre plot of land with pre-built house for $200,000 within 8 years, pay off in 30.


Though I like build own house, re-mortgage scares me.  Obviously depends on location for real estate market.  Gut says (b) is smarter.  Essentially path I chose, but there may be other Farkers far smarter in real property transactions.  I'm a professional negotiator, but (sadly) not for real estate.
 
2014-03-04 05:19:01 PM

Degenz: what_now: Degenz: Anyone can go get a free student loan nowadays for the asking regardless of credit worthiness or any other factor.

Nowadays. Since the Higher Education Act of 1965

Make your living off approving loans to high school dropouts with no hope of getting said degree, while saddling them with debt. How nice.


I'm amused that you either think that every school does this, or you think I work at the University of Phoenix
 
2014-03-04 05:19:21 PM

namegoeshere: Future employers are going to love googling her and finding out how much of a sue-happy, narcissistic, entitled little she-beast she is.

Good luck in the future, Sweetie!


Politician or Lawyer then?
 
2014-03-04 05:30:56 PM
Dumb whiny biatch.

However, 11 pm curfew for an 18 year old?  That's a bit harsh, unless she has a history of being a little dumbass.
 
2014-03-04 05:35:17 PM
Crewmannumber6:

She doesn't exactly scream 'Rhodes Scholar', does she?

I bet I could get her to scream that....  In bed.

Boom!

Mikey1969:
When they live in the house still, they can damn well follow some basic farking rules. You know what happens when you DON'T set down some rules for your over-18 kid still living at home? Come meet my farking 32 year old BIL, and you'll see. Somehow when my MIL died, my wife made the promise to let him stay with us until he finished school. I agreed to let him nanny until our daughter was old enough to go to preschool. 2 years was enough. My daughter is now 5 1/2, and I'm looking at another ear and a half to two years of supporting a 32 year old adult, who pays the farking internet bill, PERIOD. Because he never had to follow rules after he turned 18, so we're just an expected convenience.

Kick him the hell out.
 
2014-03-04 05:41:58 PM

Diogenes: In court papers she claims her father said she was 'more' than just a daughter to him and he kissed her on the cheek inappropriately.

With his dick?  What the hell?


Mushroom stamped her.
 
2014-03-04 05:57:50 PM

groppet: tlars699: ph0rk: tlars699: 1. Parents are obliged to assist or pay all school loans of the kid going to school especially if the kid defaults. HINT TO IDIOT-GIRL: GO TO COLLEGE. DEFAULT. THEY HAVE TO PAY. DUH!


Not if the parents don't agree in the first place, which they clearly won't in this case.

Wrong. It's in the contract with any public loan company like Sallie Mae, or Great Lakes. In both, if you default, your parents are obligated to assist you in paying those back.
That's why you have to count their income in filling out FAFSA, even if they aren't helping you pay for college. That's also the reasoning behind not being able to discharge the loans via bankruptcy.

That seems a tad farked up and open itself to abuse. You toss your ahole kid out at 18 they go off to college and when they finish you get hassled because the kid dosent think he has to pay.


Not to worry.  It isn't true.

And you know he's not really a French model, right?

/bonjour
 
2014-03-04 06:01:33 PM
 
2014-03-04 06:02:36 PM
Verdict came in:
 http://abcnews.go.com/US/rachel-canning-loses-suit-make-parents-pay -hi gh/story?id=22768908


"
A New Jersey family court judge ruled today that Rachel Canning's parents do not have to pay her high school tuition after she sued them to cover her schooling and living costs.
The judge delayed a ruling on whether the parents must pay the 18-year-old student's college tuition while asking lawyers to consider whether it's wise to "establish precedent where parents live in fear of establishing rules of the house?"
The judge also denied her request for attorney fees, although ruling that the parents should continue with weekly allowance and "child support" payments to their daughter.
The next hearing is scheduled for April 22."
 
2014-03-04 06:03:02 PM

Degenz: Yea, guess what. Under state law the terms of my child support obligation continue if my kid decides to pursue a secondary education. For those of you that don't get it - it means you have to keep sending a check for as long as the snowflake is going to college, up until they turn 24, or something.

Thankfully, junior has a real job in manufacturing and supplements his income playing gigs at a Death Metal joint on weekends. If you're ever in Lawrence, Kansas go check them out sometime.

https://www.facebook.com/Species913


"Secondary education" refers to high school.  "Post-secondary" is college/grad school.  Which did you mean?

/either I just corrected your terminology or I just saved you a bundle on your child support
 
2014-03-04 06:04:50 PM

Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html


So he can ass rape you?
 
2014-03-04 06:07:16 PM

theflatline: James Rieper: No theories on who's more dysfunctional, but it's weird that her school is keeping her on, right?

My HS would have wished me luck on my GED, then reminded my dad that he was still contractually obligated to pay the remaining fees.  At the very least, you usually see places hold back on the diploma if there is still outstanding stuff.

Not strange at all, Catholic charity is very giving when it comes to white people.


www.catholiccharities.com
 
2014-03-04 06:08:57 PM

dwrash: profplump: theflatline: If you are 18 and live at home you should follow the rules.

"The rules" should be something you collectively agree on, not something that old rich people get to dictate because they're old and rich. We're all assholes, and the fact that old people are assholes in a different way than young people doesn't make them right.

Umm... no... I get my ass out of bed at 6 AM, drive an hour to get my ass to work, take shiat from other people for 9 hours then drive another hour home (fighting asshole drivers both ways)... when I get home, I don't need to take your shiat... its my house, my rules.. unless you contribute you have no say in the manner... and even if you did get a job and ask to contribute, its still my house that I have worked for and paid for longer than you have lived... I should be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor.  If you do not like it.. the door is over there and don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.

I think I have given this speech half a dozen times over the years.


Also the reason you  have had to give this speech a half dozen times over the years.
 
2014-03-04 06:08:58 PM
Stonicus: Historically child services in NJ has the opposite problem. It's been a while since there was a big scandal, but the large caseloads make the investigators overlook a lot, sign off on things too soon, etc.Not saying that's what happened here, but it's not exactly a vote of confidence either that DYFS showed up in the first place.This family sounds more and more like there is a lot of booze lurking just out of view.
 
2014-03-04 06:10:03 PM

theflatline: Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html

So he can ass rape you?


You don't know cops very well, do you?
 
2014-03-04 06:13:09 PM

Degenz: what_now:  Yeah, I have no intention of having kids. But, I've worked in college financial aid for a decade and I can tell you that if a parent does not want to complete a FAFSA, or pay for college, they are under no legal requirement to do so, UNLESS their is a divorce decree.

Does it make you a shiatty parent? Yes, probably. But it's not illegal to be a shiatty parent.

Welp, there you go. College financial aide workers are the scummiest of scum. Worse even than the fly-by-night mortgage lenders who gave away houses with no down payment and caused the Great Recession of 2008 and made the government bail them out.


Wow.

As someone who worked in Student Affairs for 15 years and actually knew tons of FAO (FinAidOfficers) and tons of students on Financial Aid: you are an ahole who has no idea what he's talking about.

Absolutely.  None.
 
2014-03-04 06:16:54 PM

Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html

So he can ass rape you?

You don't know cops very well, do you?


I grew up between New Orleans with NOPD and Colombia the country, I assure you I know cops very well.
 
2014-03-04 06:17:58 PM
Sure is a lot of little shiatheads in this thread that think living under the parents roof with almost NO rules is silly. No wonder they are the ones that ask me if I want fries with that.

/sod off you little shiats
//you live under my roof, there will be some rules or you're the fark out of here
 
2014-03-04 06:18:24 PM

tlars699: TheYeti: tlars699: thurstonxhowell: BalugaJoe: I paid for both of  my degrees.  Why do parents have to pay for anything?

They don't have to pay for anything. It is a tremendous dick move to not at least fill out the FAFSA, though.

Wrong. You sign up for a student loan? Part of the law says that if you default they can hound your parents, too. It's in the contract you sign to get the loan.

They can contact the people that you listed as contacts/references, but if they don't sign off on it (Perkins loans, Stafford) the parents aren't legally required to pay for anything.

Then please explain to me why when my parents never co-signed a loan (because they automatically refuse anything to do with "co-sign"), Sallie Mae kept calling them for payment when I was in default, due to unemployment after graduation.

They are contractually obligated to pay for their children. Said so to me over the phone, when I asked the representative at the time, as I had set up the default terms.


I worked in Student loans for 10 years. Your folks must have co signed. They can not bug them otherwise. Or it was a Parent Plus loan.
 
2014-03-04 06:21:18 PM

theflatline: Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html

So he can ass rape you?

You don't know cops very well, do you?

I grew up between New Orleans with NOPD and Colombia the country, I assure you I know cops very well.


Well, you don't know Jersey cops.

This is former officer Kieth Buckley, North Brunswick, NJ PD.

imgick.nj.com

Do you know why he is crying?  He just got sentenced to prison for vehicular homicide...he killed another badge-clown.   All tough guys, until a taste of their own medicine, then the turn into snivelers.
 
2014-03-04 06:25:21 PM

Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html

So he can ass rape you?

You don't know cops very well, do you?

I grew up between New Orleans with NOPD and Colombia the country, I assure you I know cops very well.

Well, you don't know Jersey cops.

This is former officer Kieth Buckley, North Brunswick, NJ PD.

[imgick.nj.com image 620x432]

Do you know why he is crying?  He just got sentenced to prison for vehicular homicide...he killed another badge-clown.   All tough guys, until a taste of their own medicine, then the turn into snivelers.


Sorry, but I knoew NOPD and I know/knew Colombian cops during Escobar times, and now, who are far worse than any Jersey cop than you can imagine.

NJ is not the center of the universe, and they do not hold the lock on bad cops.

And not all cops are bad.  Did one touch you on the nethers?
 
2014-03-04 06:30:18 PM
img.fark.netThe 7th picture is NSFW, LOL.
/WTF is that?
 
2014-03-04 06:31:07 PM

WTFDYW: [img.fark.net image 780x225]The 7th picture is NSFW, LOL.
/WTF is that?


Giving help to people who convert.
 
2014-03-04 06:36:27 PM

theflatline: Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: theflatline: Fissile: Now she's saying that daddy touched her.  Oh, boy!  I hope this cop ends up in the same jail cell as me.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2573165/My-mom-called-porky- da d-got-drunk-told-I-just-daughter-Explosive-claims-spoiled-cheerleader- 18-suing-parents-support-ran-away.html

So he can ass rape you?

You don't know cops very well, do you?

I grew up between New Orleans with NOPD and Colombia the country, I assure you I know cops very well.

Well, you don't know Jersey cops.

This is former officer Kieth Buckley, North Brunswick, NJ PD.

[imgick.nj.com image 620x432]

Do you know why he is crying?  He just got sentenced to prison for vehicular homicide...he killed another badge-clown.   All tough guys, until a taste of their own medicine, then the turn into snivelers.

Sorry, but I knoew NOPD and I know/knew Colombian cops during Escobar times, and now, who are far worse than any Jersey cop than you can imagine.

NJ is not the center of the universe, and they do not hold the lock on bad cops.

And not all cops are bad.  Did one touch you on the nethers?


Who says so?  BTW, I didn't say Jersey cops were badass scumbags, just scumbags.  Cowards who got their jobs through nepotism or patronage.
 
2014-03-04 06:36:53 PM

jchan334: Verdict came in:
 http://abcnews.go.com/US/rachel-canning-loses-suit-make-parents-pay -hi gh/story?id=22768908


"
A New Jersey family court judge ruled today that Rachel Canning's parents do not have to pay her high school tuition after she sued them to cover her schooling and living costs.
The judge delayed a ruling on whether the parents must pay the 18-year-old student's college tuition while asking lawyers to consider whether it's wise to "establish precedent where parents live in fear of establishing rules of the house?"
The judge also denied her request for attorney fees, although ruling that the parents should continue with weekly allowance and "child support" payments to their daughter.
The next hearing is scheduled for April 22."


Excellent.  I love how her lawyer was denied his $12k in fees.

What counts as "child support" though?
 
2014-03-04 06:48:01 PM

what_now: theflatline: I do not consider 18 an adult, I certainly was not one when I was 18.

The US Military sure as hell does.


The US Military lets you enlist at 17.  Which is why we aren't signatories on the Convention of the Rights of the Child.  I wouldn't go by the US Military as a guide for adulthood.

And before anyone goes saying that my own citation (the CRC) proves the point let me say-- consonant with theflatline's point, I think-- that there is a difference between chronological/legal "age of adulthood" and "preparedness to take on adult responsibilities."  There are a lot of 14-year-olds around the world who are more "adult" than a lot of 40-year-olds or, for that matter, the average Farker-- myself included.  My point and, I think, theflatline's, is that for better or worse in American society most 18-year-olds are not prepared to take on adult responsibilities.  And I mean 'prepared' as a verb: as a rule we do not prepare 18 year olds for that.
 
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