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(The Raw Story)   Right-wing columnist urges GOP to abandon minority outreach: " 'Colorblind conservatism' is a dead end, and the future of the conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism"   (rawstory.com) divider line 220
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2014-03-04 12:35:09 PM  
If by future, he means "dead end", he is completely correct.
 
2014-03-04 12:41:17 PM  
Choice A: dilute the party's hard-line stance against gays, immigrants, the poor, and other sacred cows
---Pro: less alienation of independents, less chance of derp-storm candidates like that "shut the whole thing down" guy
---Con: they alienate their own base of voters and become a diet version of the Democratic party

Choice B: stick to their guns
---Pro: they get to feel good, keep their base, and hey... guns!
---Con: they get bred out of relevance, increased chance of more derp-storm candidates
 
2014-03-04 12:46:35 PM  
Well at least he is honest enough to admit to beliefs that many conservatives silently agree with and pretend they don't share.
 
2014-03-04 12:49:01 PM  
Amen to THAT, brother. The only type of people that are going to be drawn to the Republican Party are either Bible thumpers or greedy assholes, so just focus on those two groups.
 
2014-03-04 12:49:44 PM  
Without looking, I am going to guess that it's Pat Buchanan.

<looks>

I shoot, I forgot about that other overtly racist right wing columnist.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-03-04 12:51:14 PM  
It's the past of the conservative movement too.
 
2014-03-04 12:51:51 PM  
I say they go for it. Might as well be honest with themselves.
 
2014-03-04 12:51:54 PM  

factoryconnection: Choice A: dilute the party's hard-line stance against gays, immigrants, the poor, and other sacred cows
---Pro: less alienation of independents, less chance of derp-storm candidates like that "shut the whole thing down" guy
---Con: they alienate their own base of voters and become a diet version of the Democratic party

Choice B: stick to their guns
---Pro: they get to feel good, keep their base, and hey... guns!
---Con: they get bred out of relevance, increased chance of more derp-storm candidates


This is really no choice at all, and is merely the evolution of a party. At some point it becomes clear that the majority of Americans no longer believe in what you are selling (in this case, the nostalgic days of women in the kitchen, gays nonexistent, and being poor meant being lazy). When this happens there will eventually be a point at which it becomes clear that there is no longer any way to win large scale elections, and winning regional elections becomes increasingly rare. When one party looks to become monopolistic, either the weakening party will adopt some of the less offensive to its principles of the opposing party in the hopes of siphoning off voters, or the larger party itself will fracture, since there are always many disparate voices in a big tent party. The pieces then coalescing into the new two party system.
 
2014-03-04 12:53:13 PM  
Derbyshire, who lost his job with the National Review after publishing a "nasty and indefensible" 2012 column about his racial prejudices

Derbyshire had been publishing nasty and indefensible columns about race for years before the National Review fired him. The idea that they didn't know that he was a white nationalist is complete bullsh*t. They didn't fire him for that; they hired him for that. They fired him because one of his articles by chance garnered mainstream outrage and damaged their brand. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that he's a racist.
 
2014-03-04 12:56:35 PM  
How's that outreach coming?

bottom line, if they only cater to the white voters, they will not win elections.
 
2014-03-04 12:56:44 PM  
The fact that he was honest about it puts him ahead of most Republicans.
 
2014-03-04 01:05:28 PM  

nmrsnr: This is really no choice at all, and is merely the evolution of a party.


If I didn't present this as a Sophie's Choice situation, I apologize.
 
2014-03-04 01:07:56 PM  
Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger
 
2014-03-04 01:12:53 PM  
p.twimg.com
 
2014-03-04 01:19:51 PM  
Why the Scary tag, Subby?  If they follow Derbyshire's prescription, the problem is self-correcting.  Political natural selection.
 
2014-03-04 01:26:20 PM  

netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger


Yeah, I bet he isn't a true Scotsman either.
 
2014-03-04 01:27:44 PM  

jake_lex: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

Yeah, I bet he isn't a true Scotsman either.


Indeed.  They kicked him out because he made for inconvenient PR.  Not because they disagreed with him.
 
2014-03-04 01:29:13 PM  

Diogenes: jake_lex: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

Yeah, I bet he isn't a true Scotsman either.

Indeed.  They kicked him out because he made for inconvenient PR.  Not because they disagreed with him.


NRO was fine with him publishing racist dog-whistle editorials for years.  He was fired because he slipped up and lowered the frequency a tad too far.
 
2014-03-04 01:39:18 PM  
Future? By that he means "present," I take it.
 
2014-03-04 01:39:56 PM  
The GOP has minority outreach?
 
2014-03-04 01:41:08 PM  
conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism"

When has it NOT been?

Yes I know that's going to make some folks mad.

The truth is that the conservative ideology is outdated, and liberals and progressives are increasingly in a position to challenge and dispel it as the default position in society.
 
2014-03-04 01:41:36 PM  

www.rawstory.com



"Look on my works, ye whitey, and despair."

 
2014-03-04 01:41:49 PM  

nmrsnr: factoryconnection: Choice A: dilute the party's hard-line stance against gays, immigrants, the poor, and other sacred cows
---Pro: less alienation of independents, less chance of derp-storm candidates like that "shut the whole thing down" guy
---Con: they alienate their own base of voters and become a diet version of the Democratic party

Choice B: stick to their guns
---Pro: they get to feel good, keep their base, and hey... guns!
---Con: they get bred out of relevance, increased chance of more derp-storm candidates

This is really no choice at all, and is merely the evolution of a party. At some point it becomes clear that the majority of Americans no longer believe in what you are selling (in this case, the nostalgic days of women in the kitchen, gays nonexistent, and being poor meant being lazy). When this happens there will eventually be a point at which it becomes clear that there is no longer any way to win large scale elections, and winning regional elections becomes increasingly rare. When one party looks to become monopolistic, either the weakening party will adopt some of the less offensive to its principles of the opposing party in the hopes of siphoning off voters, or the larger party itself will fracture, since there are always many disparate voices in a big tent party. The pieces then coalescing into the new two party system.


Is it possible to evolve if one doesn't believe in evolution?
 
2014-03-04 01:42:35 PM  
mailingitinpodcast.com
 
2014-03-04 01:42:48 PM  
img.fark.net

Brown Stain of America?
 
2014-03-04 01:43:07 PM  

Diogenes: Why the Scary tag, Subby?  If they follow Derbyshire's prescription, the problem is self-correcting.  Political natural selection.


I would have gone with [Obvious] myself.
 
2014-03-04 01:44:07 PM  
Don't go changing, to try and please me...
  peterwchin.com
cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com
 
2014-03-04 01:44:08 PM  
Oh look, another dumbass that thinks skin color matters.
 
2014-03-04 01:44:40 PM  
I guess I should say, [Obvious] that this is what the GOP has believed all along, instead of [Obvious] that Derbyshire is right.
 
2014-03-04 01:45:17 PM  
I really don't see anything to disagree with here.
 
2014-03-04 01:47:30 PM  
And they could really use some cool uniforms too.

gouwip.files.wordpress.com

You know, so it's easier to tell them apart.
 
2014-03-04 01:47:43 PM  
That's a little on the nose there, but he's just distilling the party's messaging.
 
2014-03-04 01:48:01 PM  

netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger


Has Rand Paul picked him up as a staffer yet?
 
2014-03-04 01:49:24 PM  
"Women are just like that," Derbyshire said. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas."

Oh god, he reads 4chan as well.
 
2014-03-04 01:50:30 PM  

meat0918: The GOP has minority outreach?



I hear they're planning to replace it with minority reach-around.
 
2014-03-04 01:53:02 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Oh look, another dumbass that thinks skin color matters.


we should secretly sequence his DNA.
I bet he is part black.
 
2014-03-04 01:53:19 PM  
Even Dubya figured out they needed to expand the base...

DUBYA REALIZED THEY NEEDED TO EXPAND THE BASE!

/for christ's sake
 
2014-03-04 01:54:17 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: "Women are just like that," Derbyshire said. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas."

Oh god, he reads 4chan as well.


I was going to say he sounded like /r/TheRedPill.
 
2014-03-04 01:54:25 PM  
Well, at least he's being honest.

/Some of my favourite people are boomers, but that generation must die for the world to move forward in a positive direction
 
2014-03-04 01:55:05 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-04 01:55:06 PM  

Teufelaffe: Is it possible to evolve if one doesn't believe in evolution?


The good thing about science is that it works whether you believe in it or not.


/apart from the placebo effect I guess
 
2014-03-04 01:55:11 PM  

Teufelaffe: Is it possible to evolve if one doesn't believe in evolution?


Turns out hoping and praying (or lack thereof) has absolutely no impact on science.
 
2014-03-04 01:55:14 PM  

Weaver95: Well at least he is honest enough to admit to beliefs that many conservatives silently agree with and pretend they don't share.


Indeed, it's refreshing for a racist to not shy away from showing he's a racist.  Still a scumbag, but a scumbag with integrity.
 
2014-03-04 01:55:21 PM  

netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger


This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...
 
2014-03-04 01:55:26 PM  

BritneysSpeculum: Without looking, I am going to guess that it's Pat Buchanan.

<looks>

I shoot, I forgot about that other overtly racist right wing columnist.


Ross Douthat? George Will? Ramesh Ponnuru? Mike Huckabee? Rick Santorum?

// John Derbyshire is my Hobbit-Whovian-Crossover LARP name
 
2014-03-04 01:57:31 PM  

Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...


It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.
 
2014-03-04 01:58:20 PM  

xria: Teufelaffe: Is it possible to evolve if one doesn't believe in evolution?

The good thing about science is that it works whether you believe in it or not.


/apart from the placebo effect I guess


Dammit.
 
2014-03-04 02:00:03 PM  
Yeah, let's see you win elections with only white male sociopaths voting for you.
 
2014-03-04 02:00:13 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.


Also, I fail to see where either headline is factually wrong.  I guess you could make a case that he's not urging the GOP by name, but if he's talking about conservative politics, the GOP is the only feasible choice.  The Dems are center-right and the other parties are non-entities politically.
 
2014-03-04 02:00:21 PM  

netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger


Neo-nazis are on the right wing of the political spectrum, bub. No matter how much you want to deny it. And he didn't get kicked out because he was a racist scumbag, he was kicked out because people NOTICED he was a racist scumbag.
 
2014-03-04 02:00:36 PM  
Oh, subby, no he didn't.

*click*

oh krist. he really did.
 
2014-03-04 02:00:43 PM  

xria: Teufelaffe: Is it possible to evolve if one doesn't believe in evolution?

The good thing about science is that it works whether you believe in it or not.


/apart from the placebo effect I guess


You could argue that the placebo effect is actually science.
We dont understand completely how it works, but positive thinking, the idea that you are getting medicine and will get better soon probably has a positive effect on stress hormones, which leads to improved immunological response. etc etc etc

so we dont know how it works, but it is still science
 
2014-03-04 02:01:11 PM  

Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...


So when is Boehner passing the Immigration Reform that he, and the rest of the GOP brass, desperately know they need to pass?
 
2014-03-04 02:01:34 PM  
The strongest footing republicans could put themselves on going forward would be to try to grab voter share by playing off the "makers vs. takers" talking point. That seems to actually resonate with people. They don't need to necessarily drop their bigotry just relegate it to direct marketing at fundies.
 
2014-03-04 02:02:09 PM  

Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...


What part of the headline is not true?
 
2014-03-04 02:02:39 PM  

LordJiro: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

Neo-nazis are on the right wing of the political spectrum, bub. No matter how much you want to deny it. And he didn't get kicked out because he was a racist scumbag, he was kicked out because people NOTICED he was a racist scumbag.


Let's be fair.  If you're embarrassing the National Review, you've probably gone too far, and likely years ago.
 
2014-03-04 02:02:56 PM  
If you're a white supremacist married to an Asian woman, you're doing it wrong. And if you argue that, at age 36, Jennifer Anniston was too old and ugly to pose topless, you should have a seat over there.
 
2014-03-04 02:03:35 PM  

Headso: The strongest footing republicans could put themselves on going forward would be to try to grab voter share by playing off the "makers vs. takers" talking point. That seems to actually resonate with people. They don't need to necessarily drop their bigotry just relegate it to direct marketing at fundies.


It really makes no sense for poor people to be 'takers'.  After all, if they were taking, they wouldn't be poor anymore.

Yeah, the takers?  Try the ones with half the money in the entire nation.
 
2014-03-04 02:04:50 PM  

Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...


Conservatives, on the other hand, are fully convinced that denial is a viable risk avoidance strategy
 
2014-03-04 02:08:00 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: "Women are just like that," Derbyshire said. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas."

Oh god, he reads 4chan as well.


More likely the "men's rights"/"manosphere" fever swamp. 4chan I presume he leaves to his half-Asian children.

Yes, he has children. No, they're not white, and I hope for their sake they didn't inherit that neck.

www.rawstory.com

All fooling aside, the editor of Derbyshire's new magazine (Taki Theodoracopulos) has a habit of romanticizing the Greek junta along with Vladimir Putin and other tough guys who make life more difficult for the "rootless cosmopolitans," mostly out of spite that they have the nerve to buy villas next door to his own in any number of fancy resorts. Birds of a feather.
 
2014-03-04 02:10:06 PM  
"Women are just like that," Derbyshire said. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas."

Here's his problem. Too much /b/ and /pol/.

I read his article from 2012. I don't see why this got him in trouble. I always figured that's what conservatives truly believed.
 
2014-03-04 02:10:35 PM  
img.gawkerassets.com

/life imitating art imitating life
 
2014-03-04 02:10:51 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Derbyshire, who lost his job with the National Review after publishing a "nasty and indefensible" 2012 column about his racial prejudices

Derbyshire had been publishing nasty and indefensible columns about race for years before the National Review fired him. The idea that they didn't know that he was a white nationalist is complete bullsh*t. They didn't fire him for that; they hired him for that. They fired him because one of his articles by chance garnered mainstream outrage and damaged their brand. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that he's a racist.


Didn't you read his article? White people harbor no racial animus or ill will and would be perfectly willing to treat everyone equally. The problem is that those inferior minorities can't live like that in civilized society and as such have to be marginalized for the good of what Eurocentric civilization has salvaged from its barbaric Middle Eastern origins.
 
2014-03-04 02:11:30 PM  
img.fark.net

My god....I just pooped my pants.
 
2014-03-04 02:11:37 PM  

nmrsnr: factoryconnection: Choice A: dilute the party's hard-line stance against gays, immigrants, the poor, and other sacred cows
---Pro: less alienation of independents, less chance of derp-storm candidates like that "shut the whole thing down" guy
---Con: they alienate their own base of voters and become a diet version of the Democratic party

Choice B: stick to their guns
---Pro: they get to feel good, keep their base, and hey... guns!
---Con: they get bred out of relevance, increased chance of more derp-storm candidates

This is really no choice at all, and is merely the evolution of a party. At some point it becomes clear that the majority of Americans no longer believe in what you are selling (in this case, the nostalgic days of women in the kitchen, gays nonexistent, and being poor meant being lazy). When this happens there will eventually be a point at which it becomes clear that there is no longer any way to win large scale elections, and winning regional elections becomes increasingly rare. When one party looks to become monopolistic, either the weakening party will adopt some of the less offensive to its principles of the opposing party in the hopes of siphoning off voters, or the larger party itself will fracture, since there are always many disparate voices in a big tent party. The pieces then coalescing into the new two party system.


This. There's no choice, just.... inevidibility.

agentsmith.jpeg
 
2014-03-04 02:11:37 PM  

Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...


You said trolly headlines twice...
 
2014-03-04 02:13:21 PM  

Headso: The strongest footing republicans could put themselves on going forward would be to try to grab voter share by playing off the "makers vs. takers" talking point. That seems to actually resonate with people. They don't need to necessarily drop their bigotry just relegate it to direct marketing at fundies.


That won't work either. A large portion of the GOP base are "takers".

Remember: white people using social programs are people just down on their luck, but brown people using social programs are lazy moochers.
 
2014-03-04 02:13:45 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

You said trolly headlines twice...


I think it was already well-established that Danger Mouse likes trolly - well, trolly anything, really.
 
2014-03-04 02:13:47 PM  

MikeyFuccon: HotWingConspiracy: "Women are just like that," Derbyshire said. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas."

Oh god, he reads 4chan as well.

More likely the "men's rights"/"manosphere" fever swamp. 4chan I presume he leaves to his half-Asian children.

Yes, he has children. No, they're not white, and I hope for their sake they didn't inherit that neck.

[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]

All fooling aside, the editor of Derbyshire's new magazine (Taki Theodoracopulos) has a habit of romanticizing the Greek junta along with Vladimir Putin and other tough guys who make life more difficult for the "rootless cosmopolitans," mostly out of spite that they have the nerve to buy villas next door to his own in any number of fancy resorts. Birds of a feather.


"Where's your neck!? Where's your farking Neck!?"
 
2014-03-04 02:14:23 PM  

whidbey: [img.fark.net image 615x345]

My god....I just pooped my pants.


That pic and George Will in khakis at a basketball game just SCREAM "I am in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history."
 
2014-03-04 02:16:23 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.


Really? I cant say I am very familliar with Derbyshire, but it seems the articles in question were not even published in the NRO. Irregardless, my point was  I've come to expect trolly headlines from Fark, but Raw Story looses any legitimacy when they just troll the liberal bottom feeders with a headline that implies this racist douche is a conservatie collumnist.  Hell, it's like saying Hitler was a progreesive.
 
2014-03-04 02:17:32 PM  

Dr Dreidel: whidbey: [img.fark.net image 615x345]

My god....I just pooped my pants.

That pic and George Will in khakis at a basketball game just SCREAM "I am in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history."


img.fark.net

Godder if I were a dog I'd stay home an' lick my balls all day.
 
2014-03-04 02:18:01 PM  

Mantour: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x397]

/life imitating art imitating life


I think I just now noticed the Indian among the foreign hordes.  That's some awesome right there. Too bad about the studio.
 
2014-03-04 02:18:04 PM  

Danger Mouse: Irregardless


Just one more reason you should EABOD and DIAF.
 
2014-03-04 02:19:02 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: "Women are just like that," Derbyshire said. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas."

Oh god, he reads 4chan as well.


That's exactly what I was thinking.
 
2014-03-04 02:20:13 PM  

max_pooper: Headso: The strongest footing republicans could put themselves on going forward would be to try to grab voter share by playing off the "makers vs. takers" talking point. That seems to actually resonate with people. They don't need to necessarily drop their bigotry just relegate it to direct marketing at fundies.

That won't work either. A large portion of the GOP base are "takers".

Remember: white people using social programs are people just down on their luck, but brown people using social programs are lazy moochers.


that would be the trick to push the narrative that the GOP wants the brown people who are sick of paying for those lazy white people, they'd be best to go total class warfare and try to convince people that the GOP is for people who work and the Democrats are for people who don't.
 
2014-03-04 02:20:37 PM  

tinyarena: And they could really use some cool uniforms too.

[gouwip.files.wordpress.com image 520x350]

You know, so it's easier to tell them apart.


You know, as shiatty as the Nazis were, at least they had some style.
 
2014-03-04 02:20:39 PM  

BMulligan: Danger Mouse: Irregardless

Just one more reason you should EABOD and DIAF.


Overreact much?
 
2014-03-04 02:21:20 PM  

BMulligan: If you're a white supremacist married to an Asian woman, you're doing it wrong. And if you argue that, at age 36, Jennifer Anniston was too old and ugly to pose topless, you should have a seat over there.


What is it they say about closeted men marrying Asian women as a way of making it easier to avoid embarrassing questions? One day we may well find out Derbyshire is gay. Then his career really will be over. In the derposphere, there's a life after being outed as a racist. Being outed as gay? No such luck.
 
2014-03-04 02:21:56 PM  

Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.

Really? I cant say I am very familliar with Derbyshire, but it seems the articles in question were not even published in the NRO. Irregardless, my point was  I've come to expect trolly headlines from Fark, but Raw Story looses any legitimacy when they just troll the liberal bottom feeders with a headline that implies this racist douche is a conservatie collumnist.  Hell, it's like saying Hitler was a progreesive.


But he is a conservative columnist. A crappy one that main streamers now shun, but he's still a conservative columnist.
 
2014-03-04 02:24:57 PM  

tinyarena: And they could really use some cool uniforms too.

[gouwip.files.wordpress.com image 520x350]

You know, so it's easier to tell them apart.


Nazi uniforms were designed for fit/slim German's.  They don't look good as good on your typical fat Republican.
 
2014-03-04 02:25:09 PM  

Danger Mouse: BMulligan: Danger Mouse: Irregardless

Just one more reason you should EABOD and DIAF.

Overreact much?


i222.photobucket.com

It's like I always say - learn English, or go back to wherever it is you came from.
 
2014-03-04 02:27:15 PM  

vharshyde: MikeyFuccon: HotWingConspiracy: "Women are just like that," Derbyshire said. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas."

Oh god, he reads 4chan as well.

More likely the "men's rights"/"manosphere" fever swamp. 4chan I presume he leaves to his half-Asian children.

Yes, he has children. No, they're not white, and I hope for their sake they didn't inherit that neck.

[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]

All fooling aside, the editor of Derbyshire's new magazine (Taki Theodoracopulos) has a habit of romanticizing the Greek junta along with Vladimir Putin and other tough guys who make life more difficult for the "rootless cosmopolitans," mostly out of spite that they have the nerve to buy villas next door to his own in any number of fancy resorts. Birds of a feather.

"Where's your neck!? Where's your farking Neck!?"


Why is it the greatest champions of the white race always turn out to be the worst examples of it? YOU! Where the fark is your CHIN?
 
2014-03-04 02:28:22 PM  

Danger Mouse: Really? I cant say I am very familliar with Derbyshire, but it seems the articles in question were not even published in the NRO. Irregardless, my point was  I've come to expect trolly headlines from Fark, but Raw Story looses any legitimacy when they just troll the liberal bottom feeders with a headline that implies this racist douche is a conservatie collumnist.  Hell, it's like saying Hitler was a progreesive.


www.vitacost.com
 
2014-03-04 02:28:28 PM  

DubyaHater: read his article from 2012. I don't see why this got him in trouble. I always figured that's what conservatives truly believed.


YUP
The problem is that they dont want brown people and females knowing what they think.
 
2014-03-04 02:29:29 PM  

Angela Lansbury's Merkin: tinyarena: And they could really use some cool uniforms too.

[gouwip.files.wordpress.com image 520x350]

You know, so it's easier to tell them apart.

Nazi uniforms were designed for fit/slim German's.  They don't look good as good on your typical fat Republican.


Slim German?

abwehr-us.org

www.historylearningsite.co.uk

However, I think the gold star, pink triangle and other related Nazi insignias did have a slimming effect.
 
2014-03-04 02:29:44 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Oh, subby, no he didn't.

*click*

oh krist. he really did.


Oh he went even fuhrer...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/derbyshire-future-conservative- m ovement-home-white-ethnocentrism

Derbyshire continues: "'Not flocking' is putting it mildly. Practically all educated black Americans, for example, are communists. And white conservatives are the **only** people in the U.S.A. trying to 'transcend contentious racial issues.' Everyone else is keenly exploiting them for group advantage and personal enrichment.
"Integration has occurred in some of the upper strata of our society, but everywhere else ethnic disaggregation proceeds apace. I'm an integrationist personally but the trend lines are plain.
"I am reluctantly coming to agree with my friend Jared Taylor of American Renaissance: whites may as well start asserting themselves and join in fighting for the spoils.
"If that's right, 'colorblind conservatism' is a dead end, and the future of the conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism."

Regardless of one's views, it is undeniable that many across the country fear certain conservatives are attempting to erode women's rights. What should conservatives do to increase their share of the female vote?
"I doubt they can do much," John Derbyshire explains to Communities Digital News.

"Women are just like that," Derbyshire continues. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas. Conservative strategists should all study the Chateau Heartiste Blog, though without telling anyone they are doing so."


So what is the Chateau Heartiste Blog he wants conservative strategists to read?

Well I did some reading....

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

And now I am done with this shiat.

That was farking horrible to read.
 
2014-03-04 02:30:03 PM  

palelizard: Mantour: [img.gawkerassets.com image 640x397]

/life imitating art imitating life

I think I just now noticed the Indian among the foreign hordes.  That's some awesome right there. Too bad about the studio.


I think there are two Indians: one on the far right (look Mayan) and the one under the Irish guy.
 
2014-03-04 02:30:06 PM  

Grungehamster: sigdiamond2000: Derbyshire, who lost his job with the National Review after publishing a "nasty and indefensible" 2012 column about his racial prejudices

Derbyshire had been publishing nasty and indefensible columns about race for years before the National Review fired him. The idea that they didn't know that he was a white nationalist is complete bullsh*t. They didn't fire him for that; they hired him for that. They fired him because one of his articles by chance garnered mainstream outrage and damaged their brand. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that he's a racist.

Didn't you read his article? White people harbor no racial animus or ill will and would be perfectly willing to treat everyone equally. The problem is that those inferior minorities can't live like that in civilized society and as such have to be marginalized for the good of what Eurocentric civilization has salvaged from its barbaric Middle Eastern origins.

This guy also has the balls to say "conservatives are the only people in the U.S.A. trying to 'transcend contentious racial issues'". Yes. He said that. He pretty much said that everyone else but racist conservative white people are racists.
 
2014-03-04 02:32:09 PM  

Mercutio74: Well, at least he's being honest.

/Some of my favourite people are boomers, but that generation must die for the world to move forward in a positive direction


This is a great idea, but I think a lot of them have kids and grandkids who learn from them. Whenever some old rascist dies, he or she is mourned by the friends and family who are still around and think the same way.

/I'd like it to be getting less, but if it is, it sure is doing so really slowly!
 
2014-03-04 02:35:40 PM  
Oh, it's this dude again.
 
2014-03-04 02:37:36 PM  
The writer of the article and many posters in this thread have it wrong the modern Republican Party has always been pro-minority, the wealthy. Only with the assassination of William McKinley did the Republicans in the form Theodore Roosevelt help the non-wealthy and even then it could argued that Roosevelt acted to save his class from the worst of his class.

/Maybe I've watching too much of The Men Who Built America?
 
2014-03-04 02:38:06 PM  

Mantour: I think there are two Indians: one on the far right (look Mayan) and the one under the Irish guy.


I was looking at the guy with feathers and peace pipe, just right of center under sombrero man.
 
2014-03-04 02:39:02 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: I think the gold star, pink triangle and other related Nazi insignias did have a slimming effect.


I love dark humor, funnied!
 
2014-03-04 02:41:22 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.

Really? I cant say I am very familliar with Derbyshire, but it seems the articles in question were not even published in the NRO. Irregardless, my point was  I've come to expect trolly headlines from Fark, but Raw Story looses any legitimacy when they just troll the liberal bottom feeders with a headline that implies this racist douche is a conservatie collumnist.  Hell, it's like saying Hitler was a progreesive.

But he is a conservative columnist. A crappy one that main streamers now shun, but he's still a conservative columnist.


Sure thing my friend.
 
2014-03-04 02:42:16 PM  
Good luck with that...
 
2014-03-04 02:42:52 PM  
I somehow knew this was John Derbyshire before I clicked on the link.

*smug*
 
2014-03-04 02:43:53 PM  

whosits_112: tinyarena: And they could really use some cool uniforms too.

[gouwip.files.wordpress.com image 520x350]

You know, so it's easier to tell them apart.

You know, as shiatty as the Nazis were, at least they had some style.


By any chance did you see the 60 minutes piece on the Nazi whose 10 yr old son shot him in the head?
Scary stuff.
 
2014-03-04 02:45:30 PM  

Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.

Really? I cant say I am very familliar with Derbyshire, but it seems the articles in question were not even published in the NRO. Irregardless, my point was  I've come to expect trolly headlines from Fark, but Raw Story looses any legitimacy when they just troll the liberal bottom feeders with a headline that implies this racist douche is a conservatie collumnist.  Hell, it's like saying Hitler was a progreesive.

But he is a conservative columnist. A crappy one that main streamers now shun, but he's still a conservative columnist.

Sure thing my friend.


Explain to me how he isn't, I guess? There's no certificate required to my knowledge, no columnist guild you need to acquire membership in. I don't know where you're going with this.
 
2014-03-04 02:46:51 PM  
I must admire his honesty if nothing else.  He is the real face of the Conservative movement... only more honest.
 
2014-03-04 02:50:14 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Oh, subby, no he didn't.

*click*

oh krist. he really did.

Oh he went even fuhrer...


That was farking horrible to read.



agreed.  I read the entire thing, but I don't know why. I do want to cockpunch this asshat though.  Repeatedly.
 
2014-03-04 02:52:18 PM  

neversubmit: The writer of the article and many posters in this thread have it wrong the modern Republican Party has always been pro-minority, the wealthy. Only with the assassination of William McKinley did the Republicans in the form Theodore Roosevelt help the non-wealthy and even then it could argued that Roosevelt acted to save his class from the worst of his class.

/Maybe I've watching too much of The Men Who Built America?


Watching that show, I was absolutely amazed at how much on-screen time they could fill with the same three well-dressed actors staring out of windows and walking down corridors in slow motion.
 
2014-03-04 02:54:22 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Oh, subby, no he didn't.

*click*

oh krist. he really did.

Oh he went even fuhrer...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/derbyshire-future-conservative- m ovement-home-white-ethnocentrism

Derbyshire continues: "'Not flocking' is putting it mildly. Practically all educated black Americans, for example, are communists. And white conservatives are the **only** people in the U.S.A. trying to 'transcend contentious racial issues.' Everyone else is keenly exploiting them for group advantage and personal enrichment.
"Integration has occurred in some of the upper strata of our society, but everywhere else ethnic disaggregation proceeds apace. I'm an integrationist personally but the trend lines are plain.
"I am reluctantly coming to agree with my friend Jared Taylor of American Renaissance: whites may as well start asserting themselves and join in fighting for the spoils.
"If that's right, 'colorblind conservatism' is a dead end, and the future of the conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism."

Regardless of one's views, it is undeniable that many across the country fear certain conservatives are attempting to erode women's rights. What should conservatives do to increase their share of the female vote?
"I doubt they can do much," John Derbyshire explains to Communities Digital News.

"Women are just like that," Derbyshire continues. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas. Conservative strategists should all study the Chateau Heartiste Blog, though without telling anyone they are doing so."

So what is the Chateau Heartiste Blog he wants conservative strategists to read?

Well I did some reading....

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

And now I am done with this shiat.

That was farking horrible to read.


Notice that he got fired from the National Review for saying it's only 5% of black people who are ruining it for everyone else by matching up to stereotypes he has of them. Now it's virtually every educated adult black person is a communist hostile to American interests.
 
2014-03-04 02:56:49 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: Oh he went even fuhrer...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/derbyshire-future-conservative- m ovement-home-white-ethnocentrism

Derbyshire continues: "'Not flocking' is putting it mildly. Practically all educated black Americans, for example, are communists.


If by "communist" you mean "anyone to the left of Michelle Bachmann", then this is true.  It's also true of practically all educated white Americans.
 
2014-03-04 02:59:03 PM  
Has anyone mentioned Derbyshire's published columns about sexy, sexy, fifteen-year old girls?

Creepy, creepy guy
 
2014-03-04 02:59:22 PM  

Zombalupagus: This guy also has the balls to say "conservatives are the only people in the U.S.A. trying to 'transcend contentious racial issues'". Yes. He said that. He pretty much said that everyone else but racist conservative white people are racists.


Here is an actual quote from him:

Leaving aside the intended malice, I actually think "White Supremacist" is not bad semantically. White supremacy, in the sense of a society in which key decisions are made by white Europeans, is one of the better arrangements History has come up with. There have of course been some blots on the record, but I don't see how it can be denied that net-net, white Europeans have made a better job of running fair and stable societies than has any other group

He then argued that if anyone disagreed with that premise than they are lying or need to move away from America (which has a white political majority) or they are a hypocrite. Dude tries to pretend he's being a moderate on racial issues but that "facts are facts, white people are just superior." It would be hilarious if he didn't have people agreeing with that position.
 
2014-03-04 03:02:01 PM  

Grungehamster: sigdiamond2000: Derbyshire, who lost his job with the National Review after publishing a "nasty and indefensible" 2012 column about his racial prejudices

Derbyshire had been publishing nasty and indefensible columns about race for years before the National Review fired him. The idea that they didn't know that he was a white nationalist is complete bullsh*t. They didn't fire him for that; they hired him for that. They fired him because one of his articles by chance garnered mainstream outrage and damaged their brand. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that he's a racist.

Didn't you read his article? White people harbor no racial animus or ill will and would be perfectly willing to treat everyone equally. The problem is that those inferior minorities can't live like that in civilized society and as such have to be marginalized for the good of what Eurocentric civilization has salvaged from its barbaric Middle Eastern origins.


And?  Back when William F. Buckley founded the "intellectual side" to the conservative movement, that was pretty much his argument why blacks shouldn't be allowed to vote.  Show some respect, this was the high point of conservative thought.
 
2014-03-04 03:04:29 PM  

netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger


Funny how one inch to the right of Teabaggers are the Nazis, but everyone left of them are LIEbruls.
 
2014-03-04 03:04:40 PM  

Sgt Otter: Diogenes: jake_lex: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

Yeah, I bet he isn't a true Scotsman either.

Indeed.  They kicked him out because he made for inconvenient PR.  Not because they disagreed with him.

NRO was fine with him publishing racist dog-whistle editorials for years.  He was fired because he slipped up and lowered the frequency a tad too far.


High-frequency hearing tends to diminish in the elderly.  As the GOP racist base ages, they have to lower the frequency so they can still hear it.
 
2014-03-04 03:05:01 PM  

jaerik: neversubmit: The writer of the article and many posters in this thread have it wrong the modern Republican Party has always been pro-minority, the wealthy. Only with the assassination of William McKinley did the Republicans in the form Theodore Roosevelt help the non-wealthy and even then it could argued that Roosevelt acted to save his class from the worst of his class.

/Maybe I've watching too much of The Men Who Built America?

Watching that show, I was absolutely amazed at how much on-screen time they could fill with the same three well-dressed actors staring out of windows and walking down corridors in slow motion.


You are right, they could have told the story better if they used better images. As it was they seem to be saying these guys are action movie stars. The information in the voice overs contrasted with the parts of Howard Zinn A People's History Of The United States for that period is what kept me watching.
 
2014-03-04 03:05:52 PM  

Grungehamster: He then argued that if anyone disagreed with that premise than they are lying or need to move away from America (which has a white political majority) or they are a hypocrite. Dude tries to pretend he's being a moderate on racial issues but that "facts are facts, white people are just superior." It would be hilarious if he didn't have people agreeing with that position.


Well, then why are we keeping all these other people around? Imagine what society could achieve if we did not have to contend with the parasite.
 
2014-03-04 03:07:52 PM  
img.fark.net
"mealy-mouthed cringing beta"
 
2014-03-04 03:09:09 PM  

palelizard: Grungehamster: He then argued that if anyone disagreed with that premise than they are lying or need to move away from America (which has a white political majority) or they are a hypocrite. Dude tries to pretend he's being a moderate on racial issues but that "facts are facts, white people are just superior." It would be hilarious if he didn't have people agreeing with that position.

Well, then why are we keeping all these other people around? Imagine what society could achieve if we did not have to contend with the parasite.


Ironically, he himself has suggested he might seek asylum in China due to all this PC-ism gone amok in America where you can't voice certain opinions in this country anymore without being ostracized.

That's right: traveling to China to finally have freedom of expression.
 
2014-03-04 03:11:21 PM  

QU!RK1019: [img.fark.net image 615x345]
"mealy-mouthed cringing beta"


The funny thing is that's the EXACT image of MRAs that aren't dude-bros: the most non-assuming goofy looking mothers on the planet who think "man girls didn't like me no matter how desperately I acted, must have been because I wasn't obnoxious enough."
 
2014-03-04 03:13:18 PM  
Grungehamster:
Didn't you read his article? White people harbor no racial animus or ill will and would be perfectly willing to treat everyone equally.

You meant this facetiously, but you're correct.
What other group of people welcomes extremely large and unsustainable amounts of outsiders of various cultures and ethnicities (firefox spellcheck is saying that's not a word?) into their country? Where is better to be a minority?
For god's sake, stop holding white people to standards far above what is demanded of others.
You're getting your wish, anyway. White numbers are declining worldwide and the West will be multicultural, and by that I mean monocultural.
 
2014-03-04 03:14:58 PM  

Grungehamster: QU!RK1019: [img.fark.net image 615x345]
"mealy-mouthed cringing beta"

The funny thing is that's the EXACT image of MRAs that aren't dude-bros: the most non-assuming goofy looking mothers on the planet who think "man girls didn't like me no matter how desperately I acted, must have been because I wasn't obnoxious enough."


Sad but true.  But mostly sad.
 
2014-03-04 03:15:52 PM  

Grungehamster: Ironically, he himself has suggested he might seek asylum in China due to all this PC-ism gone amok in America where you can't voice certain opinions in this country anymore without being ostracized.

That's right: traveling to China to finally have freedom of expression.


Hmm.  I think I'm getting a psychic vision... I see... I predict a future in which getting called a gwai lo and suffering a beating does not change his stance on racism and discrimination.
 
2014-03-04 03:16:43 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Grungehamster:
Didn't you read his article? White people harbor no racial animus or ill will and would be perfectly willing to treat everyone equally.

You meant this facetiously, but you're correct.
What other group of people welcomes extremely large and unsustainable amounts of outsiders of various cultures and ethnicities (firefox spellcheck is saying that's not a word?) into their country?


We had to kill a lot of racists to get here and things look perfectly sustainable to me.
 
2014-03-04 03:17:11 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Grungehamster:
Didn't you read his article? White people harbor no racial animus or ill will and would be perfectly willing to treat everyone equally.

You meant this facetiously, but you're correct.
What other group of people welcomes extremely large and unsustainable amounts of outsiders of various cultures and ethnicities (firefox spellcheck is saying that's not a word?) into their country? Where is better to be a minority?
For god's sake, stop holding white people to standards far above what is demanded of others.
You're getting your wish, anyway. White numbers are declining worldwide and the West will be multicultural, and by that I mean monocultural.


4.bp.blogspot.com

Buh-bye.
 
2014-03-04 03:27:46 PM  

Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.

Really? I cant say I am very familliar with Derbyshire, but it seems the articles in question were not even published in the NRO. Irregardless, my point was  I've come to expect trolly headlines from Fark, but Raw Story looses any legitimacy when they just troll the liberal bottom feeders with a headline that implies this racist douche is a conservatie collumnist.  Hell, it's like saying Hitler was a progreesive.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-04 03:29:57 PM  
Meh, if I got my panties in a wad everytime a republican said something racist, I'd be walking like this.
 
2014-03-04 03:32:54 PM  
If it walks like a racist and talks like a racist than it is a racist.
 
2014-03-04 03:38:04 PM  

Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.

Really? I cant say I am very familliar with Derbyshire, but it seems the articles in question were not even published in the NRO. Irregardless, my point was  I've come to expect trolly headlines from Fark, but Raw Story looses any legitimacy when they just troll the liberal bottom feeders with a headline that implies this racist douche is a conservatie collumnist.  Hell, it's like saying Hitler was a progreesive.

But he is a conservative columnist. A crappy one that main streamers now shun, but he's still a conservative columnist.

Sure thing my friend.


Right wing? Check.
Columnist? Check.
Urging GOP to abandon minority and woman outreach? Check.

What is your complaint again? That douchebags like this soil your good party name?
 
2014-03-04 03:39:29 PM  

jaytkay: Has anyone mentioned Derbyshire's published columns about sexy, sexy, fifteen-year old girls?

Creepy, creepy guy


No they haven't. Links, please.

Please tell me he wasn't daft enough to archive them.

/Peter Griffin refused to comment, even he has that much class
 
2014-03-04 03:40:01 PM  
 the future of the conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism

RNC: Shhhh!  You're not supposed to say that out loud.
 
2014-03-04 03:40:11 PM  

namatad: xria: Teufelaffe: Is it possible to evolve if one doesn't believe in evolution?

The good thing about science is that it works whether you believe in it or not.


/apart from the placebo effect I guess

You could argue that the placebo effect is actually science.
We dont understand completely how it works, but positive thinking, the idea that you are getting medicine and will get better soon probably has a positive effect on stress hormones, which leads to improved immunological response. etc etc etc

so we dont know how it works, but it is still science


Actually the placebo effect has been pretty thoroughly debunked. Apparently the results from the initial study were so striking nobody bothered to try to duplicate them. When they did, they found that the placebo "recoveries" could be explained by the fact that many people simply recover from illness without any medication at all. In the initial study, some people got efficacious medicine, some got a placebo, and the placebo patients who recovered were counted as beneficiaries of the placebo effect rather than as reasonably healthy people who simply got better on their own. If the original researchers had divided their subjects into three groups--medication recipients, placebo recipients, and nothing recipients--rather than two, the lack of a specific placebo effect would ave been readily apparent, and generations of Kubler-Ross groupies would have had to find something to write their dissertations about.
 
2014-03-04 03:41:18 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: Grungehamster:
Didn't you read his article? White people harbor no racial animus or ill will and would be perfectly willing to treat everyone equally.

You meant this facetiously, but you're correct.
What other group of people welcomes extremely large and unsustainable amounts of outsiders of various cultures and ethnicities (firefox spellcheck is saying that's not a word?) into their country? Where is better to be a minority?
For god's sake, stop holding white people to standards far above what is demanded of others.
You're getting your wish, anyway. White numbers are declining worldwide and the West will be multicultural, and by that I mean monocultural.


Oh thank you so much, White People, for letting all those "unsustainable" minorities into your country!

I'm a minority and part time resident in Peru, and I get treated fantastically well there.  Better than Peruvians do here.
 
2014-03-04 03:47:34 PM  
First, it's far more difficult to believe that conservatives don't already agree with that author, than it is to believe that some of them disagree.
Second, for someone who infers that he is somehow an alpha male, he comes across as deluded at best.
Third, his mate being Asian reminds me of one of my subcons who married a subservient, off-the-boat Asian woman because "American women are too uppity."

All that being written, he seems to be one of the most studly, open-minded, Alpha-type conservative in the US.

/yes, they are all soft, dough-faced pussies
 
2014-03-04 03:48:21 PM  

ManateeGag: How's that outreach coming?

bottom line, if they only cater to the white voters, they will not win elections.


not without voter suppression and gerrymandering, neither of which they would stoop to.
 
2014-03-04 03:49:09 PM  

rosebud_the_sled: First, it's far more difficult to believe that conservatives don't already agree with that author, than it is to believe that some of them disagree.
Second, for someone who infers that he is somehow an alpha male, he comes across as deluded at best.
Third, his mate being Asian reminds me of one of my subcons who married a subservient, off-the-boat Asian woman because "American women are too uppity."

All that being written, he seems to be one of the most studly, open-minded, Alpha-type conservative in the US.

/yes, they are all soft, dough-faced pussies



Mmmm, soft, dough-faced pussy.
 
2014-03-04 03:50:17 PM  
The left-leaning folks here are going to condescend about this, but I don't see how the left's tendency towards thinly veiled disdain for white males is morally superior.
 
2014-03-04 03:50:47 PM  
This is embarrassing.  If you find yourself dabbling in any kind of supremacism (white supremacism, black supremacism, Eskimo supremacism), your life has gone off the rails.  You need rehab.
 
2014-03-04 03:52:56 PM  

IrishFarmer: The left-leaning folks here are going to condescend about this, but I don't see how the left's tendency towards thinly veiled disdain for white males is morally superior.


I'm a white male and a leftist, I don't know what you're talking about.
 
2014-03-04 03:53:42 PM  
Lord_Baull

 .

Right wing? Check.
Columnist? Check.
Urging GOP to abandon minority and woman outreach? Check.

What is your complaint again? That douchebags like this soil your good party name?


Yup.
 
2014-03-04 03:53:49 PM  

Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...


You know, as a liberal, I came here to point out that he wasn't a mainstream conservative, and that he really didn't represent the bulk of the conservative viewpoint.

But since you decided to get al ad-hominum on liberals, how about this instead:

This is the sort of people you have voting along side you, supporting the same policies you do. Don't you feel dirty now? Why hasn't your party loudly denounced these idiots and said "there is no room for racism in our party", but instead constantly makes noises about welfare mothers and minorities who take and take but never give back. Just because you aren't naming brown people explicitly doesn't me you are fooling anyone.

/and bite me
 
2014-03-04 03:58:02 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: IrishFarmer: The left-leaning folks here are going to condescend about this, but I don't see how the left's tendency towards thinly veiled disdain for white males is morally superior.

I'm a white male and a leftist, I don't know what you're talking about.


The soft racism of self-hatred?

// I'm in the same boat as you, HotWings
 
2014-03-04 03:58:16 PM  
HotWingConspiracy:
We had to kill a lot of racists to get here and things look perfectly sustainable to me.

It's not sustainable. We have to solve the issue about caring for the elderly now instead of simply importing people to tax, and then importing people to tax to take care of them and so on.
Japan is innovating with robotics and automation to deal with their aging population, but the West is simply using imported labor from the third world because research and machines cost money that could better be placed in a secret account in the Cayman Islands. The common man receives no gain from this, but the rich get richer and everyone is convinced it's racist to question it.

BMulligan:
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 480x568]


.img.fark.net
I, too, think dialogue should be confined to images.
 
2014-03-04 03:58:55 PM  

Zasteva: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

You know, as a liberal, I came here to point out that he wasn't a mainstream conservative, and that he really didn't represent the bulk of the conservative viewpoint.

But since you decided to get al ad-hominum on liberals, how about this instead:

This is the sort of people you have voting along side you, supporting the same policies you do. Don't you feel dirty now? Why hasn't your party loudly denounced these idiots and said "there is no room for racism in our party", but instead constantly makes noises about welfare mothers and minorities who take and take but never give back. Just because you aren't naming brown people explicitly doesn't me you are fooling anyone.

/and bite me


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2014-03-04 04:00:25 PM  

Danger Mouse: Lord_Baull

 .

Right wing? Check.
Columnist? Check.
Urging GOP to abandon minority and woman outreach? Check.

What is your complaint again? That douchebags like this soil your good party name?

Yup.



Then step off FARK, and direct your anger in the proper direction.
 
2014-03-04 04:01:17 PM  

IrishFarmer: the left's tendency towards thinly veiled disdain for white males


www.keepcalmstudio.com
 
2014-03-04 04:01:45 PM  
There is probably a THING known as mainstream conservatism.  We know Bill Kristol, George Will, Pat Buchanan, Thomas Sowell, Charles Krauthammer, etc.  But I've never heard of Derbyshire - so, he may not fall into the category of mainstream conservatism.  I'm not a conservative - but I understand the desire to not have folks tell me who's on my "team" as it were.  These guys can irritate me, but they can, from time to time, provide an argument that has merit - and thus gives me pause to consider.

That said, this guy is pretty run of the mill for this sort of crap - and the quality is, as someone stated, more like a blogger.  It's not really hard to write that sort of stuff - it's hard to do it and make it stand on it's own merit - for reasons other than making the writer feel good about himself.  To pass the sniff test, the arguments must contain veracity that can be tied to facts or better facts to generate future conclusions.  When you talk racist, and want it to apeal to someone beyond yourself (or an acolyte) you'd better bring facts.  Alpha male is subjective and can't be measured - it's a useless concept.  When you define "ignore" as "transcend", it's because you can't provide additional supporting facts. White European is a very unprecise definition - but I didn't delve into how that category was derived. It is simple writing for simple minded.

I've been intrigued that so few conservatives can identify those issues for which they stand that can be reasonably argued.  I'd be genuinely interested in hearing (a) arguments about conservative financial principals - how calling on "market forces" (that don't put a thumb on the scales) can actually improve the country and (b) how federal programs could be better managed at the state level.  I think there may be some good arguments - but recently the marketplace of ideas has been pretty one-sided.  I would like to hear someone standup for quantitative analysis about how to end federal programs (how do we know when a program has either succeeded or outlived it's usefulness - and can thus be terminated). Good policy needs better argumentatitve process to ensure the outcome is not one-sided and overreaching.
 
2014-03-04 04:03:52 PM  

IrishFarmer: The left-leaning folks here are going to condescend about this, but I don't see how the left's tendency towards thinly veiled disdain for white males people in a place of privilege who not only refuse to acknowledge their privilege, they attempt to play the victim whenever said privilege is mentioned to them is morally superior.


FTFY
 
2014-03-04 04:03:58 PM  

IrishFarmer: The left-leaning folks here are going to condescend about this, but I don't see how the left's tendency towards thinly veiled disdain for white males is morally superior.


I think that you're seeing that many of the villains of the right are white males, and they are all targets of leftist ire. So it's easy to think the left dislikes white men.

But just look at the previous presidential candidates from the left - John Kerry, Al Gore, Ralph Nader, Bill Clinton, Michael Dukakis, etc... You should see that the left harbors no racism against whites nor sexism against males.
 
2014-03-04 04:05:11 PM  

Danger Mouse: What is your complaint again? That douchebags like this soil your good party name?

Yup.


Well then you needn't complain.

Everyone already knows that your party is the party of bigotry, sexism and racism.  Whether it's this guy (who you've never heard of) saying so or whether it's Sarah Palin (who you never heard of and/or never liked) insisting America is a Christian nation or whether it's Arizona GOP (who you've never heard of) penning anti-gay legislation or whether it's Rush Limbaugh (who you've never heard of) insisting that 12 Years a Slave only won because the world is biased against white men or whether it's Michelle Bachmann (who you have never heard of) insisting that Hillary Clinton's not-white associate must be a terrorist or whether it's any number of GOP elected officials and candidates (who i'm sure you have never heard of) discussing rape from within their insulated bubbles....

I can keep going if you like.  The point is that this bigot (who you never heard of) isn't soiling your good party name.  The bigots who make up the majority of your party are what is spoiling your good party name.
 
2014-03-04 04:07:56 PM  

Danger Mouse: Lord_Baull

 .

Right wing? Check.
Columnist? Check.
Urging GOP to abandon minority and woman outreach? Check.

What is your complaint again? That douchebags like this soil your good party name?

Yup.


Oh hey, there you are! Ever come up with a source that only 16 of the 92 programs studied in Paul Ryan's report are effective? You disappeared from the thread where you were supposed to link to it.
 
2014-03-04 04:12:55 PM  

Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...


How dare liberals quote people!
 
2014-03-04 04:13:46 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: [www.rawstory.com image 546x307]

"Look on my works, ye whitey, and despair."


Where is that cartoon about white supremecists having weak chins when I need it?
 
2014-03-04 04:14:22 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: IrishFarmer: The left-leaning folks here are going to condescend about this, but I don't see how the left's tendency towards thinly veiled disdain for white males is morally superior.

I'm a white male and a leftist, I don't know what you're talking about.


He's actually talking about lack of respect for people who were born on third base and think they hit a triple - who, mostly, in America, happen to be white males. But implying that it's somehow ethnocentric in nature sounds better from his perspective.
 
2014-03-04 04:17:52 PM  
Sorry, piss and moan all you want, the GOP owns assholes like this. Conservative philosophy (such as it is) attracts these clowns, and for a very long time, the GOP has been encouraging and coddling these folks. If you don't think a good percentage of self-identified conservatives/Republicans agree with this idiot, you're deluding yourself.
 
2014-03-04 04:18:31 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: TheShavingofOccam123: [www.rawstory.com image 546x307]

"Look on my works, ye whitey, and despair."

Where is that cartoon about white supremecists having weak chins when I need it?


i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-04 04:20:02 PM  
Asking the GOP to abandon minority outreach is like asking Vin Diesel to stop making art films.
 
2014-03-04 04:24:24 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: TheShavingofOccam123: [www.rawstory.com image 546x307]

"Look on my works, ye whitey, and despair."

Where is that cartoon about white supremecists having weak chins when I need it?


GIS for "white supremacists have weak chins":
i9.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-04 04:29:44 PM  
I wish the "Conservative movement" would abandon the word "conservative".  It doesn't actually describe their politics in any way and it describes mine pretty well, so I would like it back as soon as possible, please.

// There certainly are anti-white and anti-male people in the left wing of US politics, and they're certainly assholes... but the difference between the "left" and the "right" is that the left's racist assholes have a corner to sit in and mumble to themselves, and the right's racist assholes have complete control over the policy positions of a major political party.  One of these things is a bit worse than the other.
 
2014-03-04 04:30:07 PM  
Better an open racist than a hidden one. At least with an open one, you know where they stand and you can avoid them.
 
2014-03-04 04:30:39 PM  

jso2897: DROxINxTHExWIND: TheShavingofOccam123: [www.rawstory.com image 546x307]

"Look on my works, ye whitey, and despair."

Where is that cartoon about white supremecists having weak chins when I need it?

[i18.photobucket.com image 640x323]


I already quoted it.  You guys are late.
 
2014-03-04 04:31:06 PM  
Mealy-mouthed cringing betas?

I try really hard not to be lookist, but I refuse to be lectured on masculine virtues by this farking guy.
 
2014-03-04 04:31:40 PM  
Doing nothing would probably be more effective than their attempts at it, anyway.
 
2014-03-04 04:32:31 PM  

jso2897: DROxINxTHExWIND: TheShavingofOccam123: [www.rawstory.com image 546x307]

"Look on my works, ye whitey, and despair."

Where is that cartoon about white supremecists having weak chins when I need it?

[i18.photobucket.com image 640x323]


Ahhhhh.


/My man
 
2014-03-04 04:35:16 PM  

ManateeGag: How's that outreach coming?

bottom line, if they only cater to the

racist, sexist, homophobic, bootstrappin', greedy rat-bastard old white male voters, they will not win elections.

Not all white folks are like this, just their core... the ones who find a way to get their hoverrounds to the voting booth running on D batteries and hatred.
There aren't a majority of these types, but they are one thing that other voters aren't - CONSISTENT. That is their strength. If democrats and non-crazy republicans would get out and vote the way the nut jobs do, the tea party wouldn't even exist.
 
2014-03-04 04:38:28 PM  
How do you get fired from NATIONAL REVIEW for being too racist??? That's like getting fired from Alice in Chains because you have a drug problem.
 
2014-03-04 04:38:45 PM  
 Looking at this guy, I can't say I'm surprised that he's desperate to find a reason to feel superior to anyone else.  Any reason at all.
 
2014-03-04 04:42:37 PM  

namatad: which leads to reporting an improved immunological response.


FTFY.
 
2014-03-04 04:49:11 PM  

what_now: How do you get fired from NATIONAL REVIEW for being too racist??? That's like getting fired from Alice in Chains because you have a drug problem.


Interestingly, Debyshire was already skating on thin ice at National Review well before he was fired because he was viewed as insufficiently conservative. He had taken Michael Schiavo's side in his efforts to allow his wife to die, and he skewered George W. Bush for his "itty-bitty tax cut, paid for by dumping a slew of federal debt on your children and grandchildren." Although he supported the invasion of Iraq, he called for the removal of all troops when major combat operations ended. Oh, and he opposed making any changes to Social Security, and he's always been consistently pro-choice. All of these stances rubbed many of his colleagues at NRO the wrong way, especially the Schiavo case, which resulted in a rather nasty feud with his own editor. I'm not saying that the National Review was looking for a reason to let him go, but maybe the National Review was looking for a reason to let him go.

He's still an inveterate racist who's written about how attractive 15-year old girls are, though, so I'm not really heartbroken about his change of fortune.
 
2014-03-04 04:49:46 PM  

what_now: How do you get fired from NATIONAL REVIEW for being too racist??? That's like getting fired from Alice in Chains because you have a drug problem.


He responded to the Treyvon Martin articles describing how black parents have to talk to their children on how to behave around white people to not be perceived as a threat to them by claiming that white people also have to have a conversation with their children about how dangerous black people are and how to avoid the criminal activity common among black people while also finding a handful of "the good ones" to hang out with in order to avoid accusations of racism when you're simply practicing common sense.

Yeah, it was that bad.
 
2014-03-04 04:54:07 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Oh, subby, no he didn't.

*click*

oh krist. he really did.

Oh he went even fuhrer...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/derbyshire-future-conservative- m ovement-home-white-ethnocentrism

Derbyshire continues: "'Not flocking' is putting it mildly. Practically all educated black Americans, for example, are communists. And white conservatives are the **only** people in the U.S.A. trying to 'transcend contentious racial issues.' Everyone else is keenly exploiting them for group advantage and personal enrichment.
"Integration has occurred in some of the upper strata of our society, but everywhere else ethnic disaggregation proceeds apace. I'm an integrationist personally but the trend lines are plain.
"I am reluctantly coming to agree with my friend Jared Taylor of American Renaissance: whites may as well start asserting themselves and join in fighting for the spoils.
"If that's right, 'colorblind conservatism' is a dead end, and the future of the conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism."

Regardless of one's views, it is undeniable that many across the country fear certain conservatives are attempting to erode women's rights. What should conservatives do to increase their share of the female vote?
"I doubt they can do much," John Derbyshire explains to Communities Digital News.

"Women are just like that," Derbyshire continues. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas. Conservative strategists should all study the Chateau Heartiste Blog, though without telling anyone they are doing so."

So what is the Chateau Heartiste Blog he wants conservative strategists to read?

Well I did some reading....

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

And now I am done with this shiat.

That was farking horrible to read.


Wow, that reads like the Asshole Dominant's Guide to Better Dom/sub Relationships.

/Self-proclaimed "alpha males" are usually--not.
//Dominant woman, would never refer to herself as an "alpha"
 
2014-03-04 05:01:48 PM  
At least they'd be honest
 
2014-03-04 05:02:34 PM  

TacoBeelzebub: Dominant woman


rlv.zcache.com
 
2014-03-04 05:15:45 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I wish the "Conservative movement" would abandon the word "conservative".  It doesn't actually describe their politics in any way and it describes mine pretty well, so I would like it back as soon as possible, please.


I've seen that request before, the fiscal conservatives who only want to destroy the middle class and funnel money to oligarchs want the word conservative back from the extremists and bigots who have hijacked it and have attached social conservatism to the aforementioned goals of creating an oligarchy.
 
2014-03-04 05:16:56 PM  
Yes, please GOP, listen to this man. He's really got something to say! It won't be yet another few degrees added to the incline of your self-imposed slide into irrelevance... Noooo! DO IT.

/Note: Derbyshire wrote for the NRO for YEARS. For farking years. They knew him, socialized with him, worked in the same offices with him. They knew damn well he was a misogynistic racist... they just didn't care until it became inconvenient to the brand by making it obvious to everyone else.
 
2014-03-04 05:24:01 PM  

tinyarena: And they could really use some cool uniforms too.

[gouwip.files.wordpress.com image 520x350]

You know, so it's easier to tell them apart.


That's the start of an awesome paper doll set.
 
2014-03-04 05:36:11 PM  

PsiChick: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

How dare liberals quote people!


I believe he's objecting to the "Right-wing" description, because No True Scotsman Something Something.
 
2014-03-04 05:44:27 PM  

Sgt Otter: PsiChick: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

How dare liberals quote people!

I believe he's objecting to the "Right-wing" description, because No True Scotsman Something Something.


When it's written in your farking 2012 platform, 'No True Scotsman' stops being a fallacy and starts being Bizzaro-speak.
 
2014-03-04 05:46:24 PM  

TacoBeelzebub: Self-proclaimed "alpha males" are usually--not.


Pretty much.  If one feels a need to consistently tell everyone how dominant they are, they've already failed at being dominant.
 
2014-03-04 05:48:53 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.

Really? I cant say I am very familliar with Derbyshire, but it seems the articles in question were not even published in the NRO. Irregardless, my point was  I've come to expect trolly headlines from Fark, but Raw Story looses any legitimacy when they just troll the liberal bottom feeders with a headline that implies this racist douche is a conservatie collumnist.  Hell, it's like saying Hitler was a progreesive.

But he is a conservative columnist. A crappy one that main streamers now shun, but he's still a conservative columnist.

Sure thing my friend.

Explain to me how he isn't, I guess? There's no certificate required to my knowledge, no columnist guild you need to acquire membership in. I don't know where you're going with this.


"LOOK OVER HERE AT SOMETHING ELSE"
 
2014-03-04 05:52:40 PM  
Oh yeah, bro. Run with that.
 
2014-03-04 05:56:52 PM  
Well, I'm of European descent, I love my genetic fellows and all, and I think some level of identity politics is inevitable when you have an extremely diverse society, but...

...I also can't stand authoritarianism, totalitarianism, misogyny, Christian Dominionism, fascism, corporatism, etc.

Sorry, guy. Just not interested. Call me when someone works up a tribalist platform that doesn't involve being a dick to everyone else in the name of Jebus and money.
 
2014-03-04 05:59:22 PM  
The main difference between the parties;

Left wing columnist says something stupid - some left wingers defend him, others refute him
Right wing columnist says something stupid - some right wingers defend him, none refute him

It is a party that is based in faith, that does not tolerate insubordination.
 
2014-03-04 06:18:10 PM  

netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger


You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to.

But both pronunciations describe the same referent.
 
2014-03-04 06:26:27 PM  

Alphax: Yeah, let's see you win elections with only white male sociopaths voting for you.



Well...you won't win the vote, but you might still win some elections.
 
2014-03-04 06:32:38 PM  
Well, at least now they're saying it openly, instead of thinking it.

The gradual obsolescence and decline of the Republican Party is happening right before you.
 
2014-03-04 06:36:05 PM  
So.... a white nationalist is a racist asshole who doesn't think that reaching out to minorities is a good idea? Where the f*ck is my fainting couch!? What is the next bombshell going to be? The head of the KKK doesn't like black people?
 
2014-03-04 06:37:38 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: [img.fark.net image 500x280]


LOL
 
2014-03-04 06:37:52 PM  

TacoBeelzebub: //Dominant woman, would never refer to herself as an "alpha"


So I did a GIS for "dominant woman".....................
 
2014-03-04 06:57:12 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: What other group of people welcomes extremely large and unsustainable amounts of outsiders of various cultures and ethnicities (firefox spellcheck is saying that's not a word?) into their country? Where is better to be a minority?
For god's sake, stop holding white people to standards far above what is demanded of others.


Into their country?

I didn't realize that this is a white country.

American is an ideal, not a race.
 
2014-03-04 06:57:45 PM  

rewind2846: ManateeGag: How's that outreach coming?

bottom line, if they only cater to the racist, sexist, homophobic, bootstrappin', greedy rat-bastard old white male voters, they will not win elections.

Not all white folks are like this, just their core... the ones who find a way to get their Medicare bought hoverrounds to the voting booth running on D batteries and hatred, so they can vote against food stamps for the most impoverished, and soshialism soshialism soshialism.
There aren't a majority of these types, but they are one thing that other voters aren't - CONSISTENT. That is their strength. If democrats and non-crazy republicans would get out and vote the way the nut jobs do, the tea party wouldn't even exist.

 
2014-03-04 07:01:23 PM  

Without Fail: God-is-a-Taco: What other group of people welcomes extremely large and unsustainable amounts of outsiders of various cultures and ethnicities (firefox spellcheck is saying that's not a word?) into their country? Where is better to be a minority?
For god's sake, stop holding white people to standards far above what is demanded of others.

Into their country?

I didn't realize that this is a white country.

American is an ideal, not a race.


Nice of the white folks to welcome me into their country.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-04 07:16:32 PM  
The Republicans have forced themselves into a no-win scenario: They can either do something about it and alienate the Tea-Baggers, or do nothing and alienate the rest of America. In either case, they have only themselves to blame for their predicament.
 
2014-03-04 07:27:58 PM  

jaytkay: Has anyone mentioned Derbyshire's published columns about sexy, sexy, fifteen-year old girls?

Creepy, creepy guy


img.fark.net

I sure could use a sexy sexy 15 year old girl after this.
 
2014-03-04 07:41:50 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I'm a white male and a leftist, I don't know what you're talking about.


You can't be part of a movement that disdains your race?  Someone would like a word with you...

4.bp.blogspot.com

I'm kidding.  But serious.  I just got done watching a left wing programmer give a speech about how there are too many "angry white men in programming".  It's one thing to advocate for diversity, it's another to denigrate a race in the process just because you're a self-loathing worm.

That's a mild example, out of numerous others.  Stick around on the Fark Politics tab long enough, you'll see more even if you can't recognize it for what it is.
 
2014-03-04 07:47:54 PM  
"...the future of the conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism"

It's not much of a future but he's right
 
2014-03-04 08:03:36 PM  
There's a reason these weird bastards have such a hard on for "the end of tha world". They are convinced that it will be their last best chance to turn back the social evolution clock to neigh about 1:00am.
I used to think it was a handful of crazies until after I had been through a few right wing websites after hearing the Turner Diaries audio book. It's just creepy how pervasive elements of that book are throughout right wing culture considering it's happy fun genocide time storyline.
 
2014-03-04 08:35:01 PM  
HypnozombieX

There's a reason these weird bastards have such a hard on for "the end of tha world".

I used to think it was a handful of crazies until after I had been through a few right wing websites after hearing the Turner Diaries audio book. It's just creepy how pervasive elements of that book are throughout right wing culture considering it's happy fun genocide time storyline.


It could be that "the end of tha world" has been a pretty deep current in Indo-European mythologies, from Ireland to India, for thousands and thousands of years, and was so strong that it was incorporated even into Christianity, and still echoes amongst people today.

Or it could just be the Turner Diaries, I guess.
 
2014-03-04 08:39:26 PM  

IrishFarmer: HotWingConspiracy: I'm a white male and a leftist, I don't know what you're talking about.

You can't be part of a movement that disdains your race?  Someone would like a word with you...

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]

I'm kidding.  But serious.  I just got done watching a left wing programmer give a speech about how there are too many "angry white men in programming".  It's one thing to advocate for diversity, it's another to denigrate a race in the process just because you're a self-loathing worm.

That's a mild example, out of numerous others.  Stick around on the Fark Politics tab long enough, you'll see more even if you can't recognize it for what it is.


You do realize that one can recognize and acknowledge problematic behavior without hating the people exhibiting that behavior, right?  Besides, have you spent any time around programmers?  There's a whole lot of angry white guys in that industry.
 
2014-03-04 08:56:20 PM  

IrishFarmer: I'm kidding. But serious. I just got done watching a left wing programmer give a speech about how there are too many "angry white men in programming". It's one thing to advocate for diversity, it's another to denigrate a race in the process just because you're a self-loathing worm.


Do you not remember 1994?  "Angry white male" is a particular demographic--specifically one who is upset that non-white, non-males have a say in society.  The guy was not likely actually denigrating the white race, dude.
 
2014-03-04 08:56:48 PM  

Danger Mouse: Really? I cant say I am very familliar with Derbyshire, but it seems the articles in question were not even published in the NRO. Irregardless, my point was I've come to expect trolly headlines from Fark, but Raw Story looses any legitimacy when they just troll the liberal bottom feeders with a headline that implies this racist douche is a conservatie collumnist. Hell, it's like saying Hitler was a progreesive.


There was a time when Derbyshire was presented as a reasonable conservative--he even accepts evolution.   He was a long time columnist for National Review which is a flagship for what passes as conservative intellectualism.   He is NOT an obscure figure in conservatism though he is now a bit of a pariah for making his racism so noticable that it got noticed in a big way forcing National Review to sack him.
 
2014-03-04 09:18:02 PM  

Teufelaffe: IrishFarmer: The left-leaning folks here are going to condescend about this, but I don't see how the left's tendency towards thinly veiled disdain for white males people in a place of privilege who not only refuse to acknowledge their privilege, they attempt to play the victim whenever said privilege is mentioned to them is morally superior.

FTFY


White people, in my experience, generally acknowledge their privilege (except a lot of conservatives, but they aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree anyway).  But what's so surprising about the ethnic core of a nation privileging itself?  That's the reason nations exist in the first place, really.  In fact, pretty much every (non-white) nation on the planet does this, except it's only a problem when pale-faces do it because....because....I don't know, you tell me.  I never actually heard a reason why white people doing what every other nation/race does is wrong, it's just assumed everyone should have a problem with it apparently.

Those who play the victim card implicitly buy into the whole white guilt narrative, that's why they try and trump progressives by saying they're also victims and deserve of (ironically enough) the privileges of victimhood.
 
2014-03-04 09:31:57 PM  

IrishFarmer:Those who play the victim card...

You mean like this?
 IrishFarmer: In fact, pretty much every (non-white) nation on the planet does this, except it's only a problem when pale-faces do it



And like this?

IrishFarmer: I never actually heard a reason why white people doing what every other nation/race does is wrong, it's just assumed everyone should have a problem with it

 
2014-03-04 09:41:11 PM  

QU!RK1019: I think that you're seeing that many of the villains of the right are white males, and they are all targets of leftist ire. So it's easy to think the left dislikes white men.


No, that's not why, because most of the right's villains are white too.

QU!RK1019: But just look at the previous presidential candidates from the left - John Kerry, Al Gore, Ralph Nader, Bill Clinton, Michael Dukakis, etc... You should see that the left harbors no racism against whites nor sexism against males.


I don't think that's the tell.  It'll take more than a lack of nominations of mostly non-existent non-white candidates to contradict my experience.
 
2014-03-04 10:04:38 PM  
You can always spot a bigot whenever the term "white guilt" is used.
 
2014-03-04 10:07:26 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Derbyshire, who lost his job with the National Review after publishing a "nasty and indefensible" 2012 column about his racial prejudices

Derbyshire had been publishing nasty and indefensible columns about race for years before the National Review fired him. The idea that they didn't know that he was a white nationalist is complete bullsh*t. They didn't fire him for that; they hired him for that. They fired him because one of his articles by chance garnered mainstream outrage and damaged their brand. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that he's a racist.


Remember the good old days, when the National Review was open and proud about its defense of segregation?  American Renaissance remembers!


National Review is considered the flagship publication of post-World War II conservatism. William F. Buckley started it in 1955, declaring that it "stands athwart history yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it." Mr. Buckley was yelling "stop" to the spread of communism abroad and liberalism at home. That it should now attack Mr. Buchanan for supporting protectionism and market intervention is consistent with founding principles and no surprise. But few would have thought that after 44 years of publication, a senior editor with an Indian surname would condemn a popular white conservative for speaking up for whites.
In fact, the  National Review of the 1950s, 60s and even 70s spoke up for white people far more vigorously than Pat Buchanan would ever dare to today. The early  National Review heaped criticism on the civil rights movement,  Brown v. Board of Education, and people like Adam Clayton Powell and Martin Luther King, whom it considered race hustlers. Some of the greatest names in American conservatism - Russell Kirk, Willmore Kendall, James Kilpatrick, Richard Weaver, and a young Bill Buckley - wrote articles defending the white South and white South Africans in the days of segregation and apartheid. NR attacked the 1965 immigration bill that opened America up to Third-World immigration, and wrote frankly about racial differences in IQ. There were always hints of compromise, but passages from some back issues could have been lifted right out of  American Renaissance. Not so today. NR still supports immigration reform and is not afraid of the IQ debate, but Mr. Ponnuru's article is just one example of its complete abandonment of the interests of whites as a group. What used to be an important part of the NR message it now dismissed as illegitimate "white identity politics."

" 'Integration' and 'Communization' are, after all, pretty closely synonymous. In light of what is happening today, the first may be little more than a euphemism for the second. It does not take many steps to get from the 'integrating' of facilities to the 'communizing' of facilities, if the impulse is there."

An article by James Kilpatrick in the September 24, 1963, issue argued that the Civil Rights Bill (eventually passed in 1964) should be voted down. He wrote, "I believe this bill is a very bad bill. In my view, the means here proposed are the wrong means... In the name of achieving certain 'rights' for one group of citizens this bill would impose some fateful compulsions on another group of citizens." After it passed, an editorial declared: "The Civil Rights Act has been law for only a little over two months, yet it already promises to be the source of much legalistic confusion, civic chaos and bureaucratic malpractice."
Mr. Kilpatrick also took aim at the 1965 Voting Rights Act in the April 20, 1965 issue. "Must We Repeal the Constitution to Give the Negro the Vote?" he asked, accusing the bill's supporters of "perverting the Constitution." He thought certain blacks should be given the right to vote but notes, "Over most of this century, the great bulk of Southern Negroes have been genuinely unqualified for the franchise." He also defended segregation as rational for Southerners. "Segregation is a fact, and more than a fact; it is a state of mind. It lies in the Southern subconscious next to man's most elementary instincts, for self-preservation, for survival, for the untroubled continuation of a not intolerable way of life."

http://www.amren.com/news/2012/04/the-decline-of-national-review/

/And they're really unhappy about the fact that the National Review isn't as overtly racist as it used to be!
 
2014-03-04 10:09:15 PM  

palelizard: vharshyde: MikeyFuccon: HotWingConspiracy: "Women are just like that," Derbyshire said. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas."

Oh god, he reads 4chan as well.

More likely the "men's rights"/"manosphere" fever swamp. 4chan I presume he leaves to his half-Asian children.

Yes, he has children. No, they're not white, and I hope for their sake they didn't inherit that neck.

[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]

All fooling aside, the editor of Derbyshire's new magazine (Taki Theodoracopulos) has a habit of romanticizing the Greek junta along with Vladimir Putin and other tough guys who make life more difficult for the "rootless cosmopolitans," mostly out of spite that they have the nerve to buy villas next door to his own in any number of fancy resorts. Birds of a feather.

"Where's your neck!? Where's your farking Neck!?"

Why is it the greatest champions of the white race always turn out to be the worst examples of it? YOU! Where the fark is your CHIN?


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2014-03-04 10:15:05 PM  
They're also unhappy that James Kilpatrick (probably best known the pop-culture imitations of him in "Kentucky Fried Movie," "Airplane," and Dan Akroyd's character in early SNL Weekend Update bits) back away from openly supporting segregation.

James Jackson Kilpatrick, Jr. (1920 - 2010) was a hugely popular conservative commentator of the latter part of the 20th century. Thanks to television, he became one of America's first "celebrity journalists" and, with William Buckley, personified the Right. Before that, however, he was one of the country's best known segregationists.
How did he make the switch? Did he change his views? Sacrifice his principles? A little-or a lot-of both?

Author Prof. Hustwit notes a very significant event in 1966. The  Saturday Evening Postoffered to publish the piece it had killed in 1963, but with a milder title, "Negroes Are Not Equal." Prof. Hustwit, who had access to Kilpatrick's private papers, quotes from his reply: "From my own professional point of view, the problem is quite simply that I do not want-and could not possibly afford-to be publicly associated with those views, phrased with such vigor." Kilpatrick explained that publishing the piece would hurt his column. The  Post had the publication rights, however, and Kilpatrick even offered to buy them back for $1,500-a lot of money at the time-if that was what it took to bury the column.

http://www.amren.com/features/2013/08/the-long-retreat-on-race/

Buckley and Kilpatrick were the most mainstream conservative voices of print and TV ("The Firing Line" and "Point-Counterpoint") of their era.  A lot of paleoconservatives felt betrayed when those two backed down from vigorously defending segregation.  I think guys like Derbyshire still feel betrayed. . .
 
2014-03-04 10:30:52 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: You do realize that one can recognize and acknowledge problematic behavior without hating the people exhibiting that behavior, right? Besides, have you spent any time around programmers? There's a whole lot of angry white guys in that industry.


Yeah, and there's too many angry black criminals in society.  Would it upset you if someone said that?  Probably, since I had an emotional reaction just writing it.  Do me a solid and look past the content though, I said it strictly to illustrate a point.

When someone tells me there are too many angry white men in programming, they (or you in hindsight) can try and hide behind plausible deniability, but it's pretty clear what that means:  White men are ruining the career, because by virtue of their whiteness they suck (or at least are more likely to suck).  Non-whites don't get angry, it's strictly a silly white person thing, so getting more non-whites in the career field surely will not result in angry non-whites.

Simply pointing out that there are a lot of angry white men isn't the problem with what he said.  There was a difference between the way you put it and the way he put it, namely that you were simply stating a statistically verifiable fact(?), while he was making an argument explaining why white men are inherently awful.  It might be easier to see in context of the speech, perhaps.

I'm not playing the victim card, I don't think white men are victimized by this mentality.  White men (mostly) have it pretty good, and will continue to have it pretty good, that's not what I'm talking about.  But unless you apply some convenient and implausible mental gymnastics to what he said, it's anti-white male sentiment.  I don't buy privilege as a reason why his anti-white attitude is morally superior to pro-white attitudes, but perhaps you and a lot of other people here do because racism is only racism if you have power and you're racist against those without power.  In my estimation, though, it would be silly to expect western whites, and only western whites, to not build a nation centered around looking out for their own when we accept the exact same thing in non-white nations all over the world as long as it doesn't get too violent.

Chameleon: Do you not remember 1994? "Angry white male" is a particular demographic--specifically one who is upset that non-white, non-males have a say in society. The guy was not likely actually denigrating the white race, dude.


Here's something you may need to consider:  If black people were the majority and in charge, they'd do the same thing.  You can spin the Wheel-o-Races and no matter where you land, it'll be true for that race as well.  You can't see it in a minority, because by definition they cannot be upset that the majority are encroaching on their "territory" or whatever you want to call it since they are the minority and the "territory" isn't theirs.  But since we don't have a counter-example in The West we have to use our imaginations, and Spike Lee's recent rant is a great example of what a society of Angry Black Men would look like.  Strangely, it looks exactly the same except for skin color.

Let's play "Angry White Man, or Empowerment".  Read this quote and answer the question:  "I mean, [people of another race] just move in the neighborhood. You just can't come in the neighborhood. I'm for democracy and letting everybody live but you gotta have some respect. You can't just come in when people have a culture that's been laid down for generations and you come in and now shiat gotta change because you're here? Get the fark outta here. Can't do that!"

Was that Angry White Man Syndrome, or Empowerment?

I'm pointing all of this out partially because I'm a contrarian, but also because if we deny the obvious about race relations....well I don't know what will happen, I just usually know that denial leads to bad things so it makes me wary.
 
2014-03-04 10:37:57 PM  
The "Year of the Angry White Male" was partially a response to this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_of_the_Woman
 
2014-03-04 10:44:35 PM  

nmrsnr: factoryconnection: Choice A: dilute the party's hard-line stance against gays, immigrants, the poor, and other sacred cows
---Pro: less alienation of independents, less chance of derp-storm candidates like that "shut the whole thing down" guy
---Con: they alienate their own base of voters and become a diet version of the Democratic party

Choice B: stick to their guns
---Pro: they get to feel good, keep their base, and hey... guns!
---Con: they get bred out of relevance, increased chance of more derp-storm candidates

This is really no choice at all, and is merely the evolution of a party. At some point it becomes clear that the majority of Americans no longer believe in what you are selling (in this case, the nostalgic days of women in the kitchen, gays nonexistent, and being poor meant being lazy). When this happens there will eventually be a point at which it becomes clear that there is no longer any way to win large scale elections, and winning regional elections becomes increasingly rare. When one party looks to become monopolistic, either the weakening party will adopt some of the less offensive to its principles of the opposing party in the hopes of siphoning off voters, or the larger party itself will fracture, since there are always many disparate voices in a big tent party. The pieces then coalescing into the new two party system.


parlorofhorror.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-04 10:52:28 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: What other group of people welcomes extremely large and unsustainable amounts of outsiders of various cultures and ethnicities


I agree; maybe we shouldn't have let Derbyshire move here from Britain.

:-)
 
2014-03-04 11:31:00 PM  
Finally...a Republican honest enough to admit the truth about his party.
 
2014-03-05 12:10:30 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: TheShavingofOccam123: [www.rawstory.com image 546x307]

"Look on my works, ye whitey, and despair."

Where is that cartoon about white supremecists having weak chins when I need it?


Is that a thing? Are chins a symbol of ... something? Masculinity? Virility?

First penises, now chins.... Someone let me know when thumbs become a symbol of manliness; I've got that shiat locked up.
 
2014-03-05 12:22:11 AM  

IrishFarmer: Teufelaffe: IrishFarmer: The left-leaning folks here are going to condescend about this, but I don't see how the left's tendency towards thinly veiled disdain for white males people in a place of privilege who not only refuse to acknowledge their privilege, they attempt to play the victim whenever said privilege is mentioned to them is morally superior.

FTFY

White people, in my experience, generally acknowledge their privilege (except a lot of conservatives, but they aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree anyway).  But what's so surprising about the ethnic core of a nation privileging itself?  That's the reason nations exist in the first place, really.  In fact, pretty much every (non-white) nation on the planet does this, except it's only a problem when pale-faces do it because....because....I don't know, you tell me.  I never actually heard a reason why white people doing what every other nation/race does is wrong, it's just assumed everyone should have a problem with it apparently.

Those who play the victim card implicitly buy into the whole white guilt narrative, that's why they try and trump progressives by saying they're also victims and deserve of (ironically enough) the privileges of victimhood.



There's nothing "surprising" or unique about racism on behalf of any race. People have a problem with it, especially on an institutional level, because it's stupid and divisive and backwards and fundamentally unjust. You are apparently aware of complaints about racism against, say, black people in the US, and unaware of complaints about racism against Uyghurs in China or Armenians in Turkey or Koreans in Japan or Tutsis in Rwanda or Indians in Fiji or Amerindians in Mexico - or whatever - possibly because (1) US news hits closer to home for you and (2) knowing about this other stuff might make it harder for you to feel like people only have a problem with your racism because you're white.
 
2014-03-05 01:01:29 AM  
I'm frankly offended that they assume that if you're white you agree with them. Actually that concept in itself is pretty farking racist. Does that make me racist for noticing?
 
2014-03-05 03:25:31 AM  

IrishFarmer: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: You do realize that one can recognize and acknowledge problematic behavior without hating the people exhibiting that behavior, right? Besides, have you spent any time around programmers? There's a whole lot of angry white guys in that industry.

Yeah, and there's too many angry black criminals in society.  Would it upset you if someone said that?  Probably, since I had an emotional reaction just writing it.  Do me a solid and look past the content though, I said it strictly to illustrate a point.

When someone tells me there are too many angry white men in programming, they (or you in hindsight) can try and hide behind plausible deniability, but it's pretty clear what that means:  White men are ruining the career, because by virtue of their whiteness they suck (or at least are more likely to suck).  Non-whites don't get angry, it's strictly a silly white person thing, so getting more non-whites in the career field surely will not result in angry non-whites.

Simply pointing out that there are a lot of angry white men isn't the problem with what he said.  There was a difference between the way you put it and the way he put it, namely that you were simply stating a statistically verifiable fact(?), while he was making an argument explaining why white men are inherently awful.  It might be easier to see in context of the speech, perhaps.

I'm not playing the victim card, I don't think white men are victimized by this mentality.  White men (mostly) have it pretty good, and will continue to have it pretty good, that's not what I'm talking about.  But unless you apply some convenient and implausible mental gymnastics to what he said, it's anti-white male sentiment.  I don't buy privilege as a reason why his anti-white attitude is morally superior to pro-white attitudes, but perhaps you and a lot of other people here do because racism is only racism if you have power and you're racist against those without power.  In my estimation, though, it w ...


Contrarian? Crybaby is more like it. Grow the f**k up, and count your blessings. You were born on third base, and have never faced institutional racism (the ONLY kind that matters ) in your soft, pampered little life, and never will.
You are spoiled, ungrateful, and a crybaby - grow up.
 
2014-03-05 06:39:11 AM  

Weaver95: Well at least he is honest enough to admit to beliefs that many conservatives silently agree with and pretend they don't share.


This guy was kicked out for being a fringe racist, but you want to paint all conservatives as being exactly like him.

Does that mean I can call you and all of your Progressive friends communists who want to make our country into Soviet Russia and exile and imprison anyone with a different opinion?
 
2014-03-05 07:21:04 AM  

Animatronik: Weaver95: Well at least he is honest enough to admit to beliefs that many conservatives silently agree with and pretend they don't share.

This guy was kicked out for being a fringe racist, but you want to paint all conservatives as being exactly like him.

Does that mean I can call you and all of your Progressive friends communists who want to make our country into Soviet Russia and exile and imprison anyone with a different opinion?


The right wing in the US has been calling progressives and liberals "communists" for a long time now, and even moreso the last decade or so.

Don't you remember all those scare ads during the 2012 presidential campaign, where SuperPAC's ran ads saying that unless we elected Romney and repealed Obamacare that the US would quickly turn into a Soviet-style Stalinist state, or the endless shrill screaming on FOX News and the rest of the right-wing echo chamber during the Occupy Wall Street protests that it was some kind of attempted communist revolution in the US?

The American right has been trying to portray anything to the left of them as being indistinguishable from Soviet-style communism since at least the early 2000's.

The right wing, on the other hand, goes around with the conflicting rhetoric of basically wanting to abolish government "government so small you can drown it in the bathtub" and perpetually lowering taxes, while still having a massive military and being ready to go to war, and for a hands-off "small government" except when it involves regulating who you can marry and what basic gynecological procedures women can receive.  They basically want a military that would make Darth Vader proud, a government that would make John Galt proud, and a theocratic state cribbed from The Handmaid's Tale.  That's not an exaggeration, that's going from their own speeches and platform planks.
 
2014-03-05 07:26:57 AM  

rewind2846: There aren't a majority of these types, but they are one thing that other voters aren't - CONSISTENT. That is their strength. If democrats and non-crazy republicans would get out and vote the way the nut jobs do, the tea party wouldn't even exist.


In a two party setup like the US has (and with non-compulsory voting), campaigning on hatred and fear is always superior to campaigning on positive aspects because it is so easy to rile up the base to turnout in decent numbers, whereas it is easy to attack constructive activities (like improving the welfare system or education) by using anecdotes (see Joe the Plumber or the "Obamacare" responses), and thus depress turnout.
 
2014-03-05 08:03:34 AM  

jso2897: Contrarian? Crybaby is more like it. Grow the f**k up, and count your blessings. You were born on third base, and have never faced institutional racism (the ONLY kind that matters ) in your soft, pampered little life, and never will.
You are spoiled, ungrateful, and a crybaby - grow up.


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2014-03-05 08:20:31 AM  

Animatronik: Weaver95: Well at least he is honest enough to admit to beliefs that many conservatives silently agree with and pretend they don't share.

This guy was kicked out for being a fringe racist, but you want to paint all conservatives as being exactly like him.

Does that mean I can call you and all of your Progressive friends communists who want to make our country into Soviet Russia and exile and imprison anyone with a different opinion?


You want to try that again, but with a bit more reading comprehension this time?
 
2014-03-05 08:32:30 AM  

Animatronik: This guy was kicked out for being a fringe racist, but you want to paint all conservatives as being exactly like him.


He was a fringe racist for a long time. He just went a little too far for the National Review one day.

They seem to attract white nationalist to their paper for some reason.
 
2014-03-05 10:42:55 AM  
FTA:

"The future of the conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism," said Derbyshire, who had recently been injected with an experimental truth serum.
 
2014-03-05 05:09:26 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: There's nothing "surprising" or unique about racism on behalf of any race. People have a problem with it, especially on an institutional level, because it's stupid and divisive and backwards and fundamentally unjust. You are apparently aware of complaints about racism against, say, black people in the US, and unaware of complaints about racism against Uyghurs in China or Armenians in Turkey or Koreans in Japan or Tutsis in Rwanda or Indians in Fiji or Amerindians in Mexico - or whatever - possibly because (1) US news hits closer to home for you and (2) knowing about this other stuff might make it harder for you to feel like people only have a problem with your racism because you're white.


My real original complaint, and what I leave you guys with is this:  That those who are supposed to be against racism against minorities don't have a problem with negative sentiments (what you might call racism, if you're inclined) against the majority.  I don't care if you guys want to call out white racism against any other race in America, I have a general dislike for racism of any kind because it's typically irrational and usually it's an ineffectual way of addressing a real world problem, for instance the claim that blacks are more prone to violence because they're black, rather than say endemic poverty, failed public institutions, dissolution of the family unit, discriminatory laws/justice system and so on....even if race was a factor, it's the least significant factor and since you can't change race anyway there's no point in even considering it regardless.

But the anti-white male sentiments that the left is known for, even if we leave open the possibility that the perception is unwarranted, is bad PR for the left.  Even if I were sympathetic to liberal values, I'd always feel unwelcome in the movement because it seems there are a lot of people in it that don't have a lot of regard for me.  Call me a crybaby all you want, but I'm not going to waste my limited time on this earth associating myself with a movement that isn't too keen on me.

Whether you want to admit this perception exists or not, it's there and it does you no good to try and shout it down by calling "crybaby" or "bigot" every time someone points it out.  But I'll drop the other points and leave it at that since that was really the only reason I dropped a line in this thread in the first place.
 
2014-03-05 07:53:27 PM  

IrishFarmer: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: There's nothing "surprising" or unique about racism on behalf of any race. People have a problem with it, especially on an institutional level, because it's stupid and divisive and backwards and fundamentally unjust. You are apparently aware of complaints about racism against, say, black people in the US, and unaware of complaints about racism against Uyghurs in China or Armenians in Turkey or Koreans in Japan or Tutsis in Rwanda or Indians in Fiji or Amerindians in Mexico - or whatever - possibly because (1) US news hits closer to home for you and (2) knowing about this other stuff might make it harder for you to feel like people only have a problem with your racism because you're white.

My real original complaint, and what I leave you guys with is this:  That those who are supposed to be against racism against minorities don't have a problem with negative sentiments (what you might call racism, if you're inclined) against the majority.  I don't care if you guys want to call out white racism against any other race in America, I have a general dislike for racism of any kind because it's typically irrational and usually it's an ineffectual way of addressing a real world problem, for instance the claim that blacks are more prone to violence because they're black, rather than say endemic poverty, failed public institutions, dissolution of the family unit, discriminatory laws/justice system and so on....even if race was a factor, it's the least significant factor and since you can't change race anyway there's no point in even considering it regardless.

But the anti-white male sentiments that the left is known for, even if we leave open the possibility that the perception is unwarranted, is bad PR for the left.  Even if I were sympathetic to liberal values, I'd always feel unwelcome in the movement because it seems there are a lot of people in it that don't have a lot of regard for me.  Call me a crybaby all you want, but I'm not going to waste m ...



Well, if the views of outsiders are more important to your decision-making than either reality or the experience of insiders, good luck with that. Since you aren't "sympathetic to liberal values" anyway, I'm sure you'll understand that your concern about their PR doesn't hold much water.

(Speaking of PR, I'd think that libs alienating some conservative white guys are not doing nearly the same damage as the right wing alienating...well, pretty much everyone else.)

For what it's worth, I agree with you that racism/bigotry is a problem regardless of who it's coming from. I also think that it poses a greater practical/societal problem when it supports domination at an institutional level, so in big-picture political terms it makes sense to be more attentive to that.
 
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