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(The Raw Story)   Right-wing columnist urges GOP to abandon minority outreach: " 'Colorblind conservatism' is a dead end, and the future of the conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism"   (rawstory.com) divider line 220
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2014-03-04 04:20:02 PM  
Asking the GOP to abandon minority outreach is like asking Vin Diesel to stop making art films.
 
2014-03-04 04:24:24 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: TheShavingofOccam123: [www.rawstory.com image 546x307]

"Look on my works, ye whitey, and despair."

Where is that cartoon about white supremecists having weak chins when I need it?


GIS for "white supremacists have weak chins":
i9.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-04 04:29:44 PM  
I wish the "Conservative movement" would abandon the word "conservative".  It doesn't actually describe their politics in any way and it describes mine pretty well, so I would like it back as soon as possible, please.

// There certainly are anti-white and anti-male people in the left wing of US politics, and they're certainly assholes... but the difference between the "left" and the "right" is that the left's racist assholes have a corner to sit in and mumble to themselves, and the right's racist assholes have complete control over the policy positions of a major political party.  One of these things is a bit worse than the other.
 
2014-03-04 04:30:07 PM  
Better an open racist than a hidden one. At least with an open one, you know where they stand and you can avoid them.
 
2014-03-04 04:30:39 PM  

jso2897: DROxINxTHExWIND: TheShavingofOccam123: [www.rawstory.com image 546x307]

"Look on my works, ye whitey, and despair."

Where is that cartoon about white supremecists having weak chins when I need it?

[i18.photobucket.com image 640x323]


I already quoted it.  You guys are late.
 
2014-03-04 04:31:06 PM  
Mealy-mouthed cringing betas?

I try really hard not to be lookist, but I refuse to be lectured on masculine virtues by this farking guy.
 
2014-03-04 04:31:40 PM  
Doing nothing would probably be more effective than their attempts at it, anyway.
 
2014-03-04 04:32:31 PM  

jso2897: DROxINxTHExWIND: TheShavingofOccam123: [www.rawstory.com image 546x307]

"Look on my works, ye whitey, and despair."

Where is that cartoon about white supremecists having weak chins when I need it?

[i18.photobucket.com image 640x323]


Ahhhhh.


/My man
 
2014-03-04 04:35:16 PM  

ManateeGag: How's that outreach coming?

bottom line, if they only cater to the

racist, sexist, homophobic, bootstrappin', greedy rat-bastard old white male voters, they will not win elections.

Not all white folks are like this, just their core... the ones who find a way to get their hoverrounds to the voting booth running on D batteries and hatred.
There aren't a majority of these types, but they are one thing that other voters aren't - CONSISTENT. That is their strength. If democrats and non-crazy republicans would get out and vote the way the nut jobs do, the tea party wouldn't even exist.
 
2014-03-04 04:38:28 PM  
How do you get fired from NATIONAL REVIEW for being too racist??? That's like getting fired from Alice in Chains because you have a drug problem.
 
2014-03-04 04:38:45 PM  
 Looking at this guy, I can't say I'm surprised that he's desperate to find a reason to feel superior to anyone else.  Any reason at all.
 
2014-03-04 04:42:37 PM  

namatad: which leads to reporting an improved immunological response.


FTFY.
 
2014-03-04 04:49:11 PM  

what_now: How do you get fired from NATIONAL REVIEW for being too racist??? That's like getting fired from Alice in Chains because you have a drug problem.


Interestingly, Debyshire was already skating on thin ice at National Review well before he was fired because he was viewed as insufficiently conservative. He had taken Michael Schiavo's side in his efforts to allow his wife to die, and he skewered George W. Bush for his "itty-bitty tax cut, paid for by dumping a slew of federal debt on your children and grandchildren." Although he supported the invasion of Iraq, he called for the removal of all troops when major combat operations ended. Oh, and he opposed making any changes to Social Security, and he's always been consistently pro-choice. All of these stances rubbed many of his colleagues at NRO the wrong way, especially the Schiavo case, which resulted in a rather nasty feud with his own editor. I'm not saying that the National Review was looking for a reason to let him go, but maybe the National Review was looking for a reason to let him go.

He's still an inveterate racist who's written about how attractive 15-year old girls are, though, so I'm not really heartbroken about his change of fortune.
 
2014-03-04 04:49:46 PM  

what_now: How do you get fired from NATIONAL REVIEW for being too racist??? That's like getting fired from Alice in Chains because you have a drug problem.


He responded to the Treyvon Martin articles describing how black parents have to talk to their children on how to behave around white people to not be perceived as a threat to them by claiming that white people also have to have a conversation with their children about how dangerous black people are and how to avoid the criminal activity common among black people while also finding a handful of "the good ones" to hang out with in order to avoid accusations of racism when you're simply practicing common sense.

Yeah, it was that bad.
 
2014-03-04 04:54:07 PM  

Commander Lysdexic: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Oh, subby, no he didn't.

*click*

oh krist. he really did.

Oh he went even fuhrer...

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/derbyshire-future-conservative- m ovement-home-white-ethnocentrism

Derbyshire continues: "'Not flocking' is putting it mildly. Practically all educated black Americans, for example, are communists. And white conservatives are the **only** people in the U.S.A. trying to 'transcend contentious racial issues.' Everyone else is keenly exploiting them for group advantage and personal enrichment.
"Integration has occurred in some of the upper strata of our society, but everywhere else ethnic disaggregation proceeds apace. I'm an integrationist personally but the trend lines are plain.
"I am reluctantly coming to agree with my friend Jared Taylor of American Renaissance: whites may as well start asserting themselves and join in fighting for the spoils.
"If that's right, 'colorblind conservatism' is a dead end, and the future of the conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism."

Regardless of one's views, it is undeniable that many across the country fear certain conservatives are attempting to erode women's rights. What should conservatives do to increase their share of the female vote?
"I doubt they can do much," John Derbyshire explains to Communities Digital News.

"Women are just like that," Derbyshire continues. "One thing we might try would be putting some alpha males up front, instead of mealy-mouthed cringing betas. Conservative strategists should all study the Chateau Heartiste Blog, though without telling anyone they are doing so."

So what is the Chateau Heartiste Blog he wants conservative strategists to read?

Well I did some reading....

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

And now I am done with this shiat.

That was farking horrible to read.


Wow, that reads like the Asshole Dominant's Guide to Better Dom/sub Relationships.

/Self-proclaimed "alpha males" are usually--not.
//Dominant woman, would never refer to herself as an "alpha"
 
2014-03-04 05:01:48 PM  
At least they'd be honest
 
2014-03-04 05:02:34 PM  

TacoBeelzebub: Dominant woman


rlv.zcache.com
 
2014-03-04 05:15:45 PM  

Jim_Callahan: I wish the "Conservative movement" would abandon the word "conservative".  It doesn't actually describe their politics in any way and it describes mine pretty well, so I would like it back as soon as possible, please.


I've seen that request before, the fiscal conservatives who only want to destroy the middle class and funnel money to oligarchs want the word conservative back from the extremists and bigots who have hijacked it and have attached social conservatism to the aforementioned goals of creating an oligarchy.
 
2014-03-04 05:16:56 PM  
Yes, please GOP, listen to this man. He's really got something to say! It won't be yet another few degrees added to the incline of your self-imposed slide into irrelevance... Noooo! DO IT.

/Note: Derbyshire wrote for the NRO for YEARS. For farking years. They knew him, socialized with him, worked in the same offices with him. They knew damn well he was a misogynistic racist... they just didn't care until it became inconvenient to the brand by making it obvious to everyone else.
 
2014-03-04 05:24:01 PM  

tinyarena: And they could really use some cool uniforms too.

[gouwip.files.wordpress.com image 520x350]

You know, so it's easier to tell them apart.


That's the start of an awesome paper doll set.
 
2014-03-04 05:36:11 PM  

PsiChick: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

How dare liberals quote people!


I believe he's objecting to the "Right-wing" description, because No True Scotsman Something Something.
 
2014-03-04 05:44:27 PM  

Sgt Otter: PsiChick: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

How dare liberals quote people!

I believe he's objecting to the "Right-wing" description, because No True Scotsman Something Something.


When it's written in your farking 2012 platform, 'No True Scotsman' stops being a fallacy and starts being Bizzaro-speak.
 
2014-03-04 05:46:24 PM  

TacoBeelzebub: Self-proclaimed "alpha males" are usually--not.


Pretty much.  If one feels a need to consistently tell everyone how dominant they are, they've already failed at being dominant.
 
2014-03-04 05:48:53 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: HotWingConspiracy: Danger Mouse: netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger

This.

Did  you notice the trolly fark headline was word for word the Raw Story headline?  Liberals honestly want to belive thier trolly headlines are true.  You know, if you repeat it enough,...

It doesn't really change the fact that they were happy with his racist scribblings until very recently, and the only reason they dumped him is because liberals pointed out how insane he was.

Really? I cant say I am very familliar with Derbyshire, but it seems the articles in question were not even published in the NRO. Irregardless, my point was  I've come to expect trolly headlines from Fark, but Raw Story looses any legitimacy when they just troll the liberal bottom feeders with a headline that implies this racist douche is a conservatie collumnist.  Hell, it's like saying Hitler was a progreesive.

But he is a conservative columnist. A crappy one that main streamers now shun, but he's still a conservative columnist.

Sure thing my friend.

Explain to me how he isn't, I guess? There's no certificate required to my knowledge, no columnist guild you need to acquire membership in. I don't know where you're going with this.


"LOOK OVER HERE AT SOMETHING ELSE"
 
2014-03-04 05:52:40 PM  
Oh yeah, bro. Run with that.
 
2014-03-04 05:56:52 PM  
Well, I'm of European descent, I love my genetic fellows and all, and I think some level of identity politics is inevitable when you have an extremely diverse society, but...

...I also can't stand authoritarianism, totalitarianism, misogyny, Christian Dominionism, fascism, corporatism, etc.

Sorry, guy. Just not interested. Call me when someone works up a tribalist platform that doesn't involve being a dick to everyone else in the name of Jebus and money.
 
2014-03-04 05:59:22 PM  
The main difference between the parties;

Left wing columnist says something stupid - some left wingers defend him, others refute him
Right wing columnist says something stupid - some right wingers defend him, none refute him

It is a party that is based in faith, that does not tolerate insubordination.
 
2014-03-04 06:18:10 PM  

netizencain: Mainstream GOP kicked this guy out.  He now writes for a white supremacist group. I wouldn't call him right-wing columnist... more like neo-nazi blogger


You say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to.

But both pronunciations describe the same referent.
 
2014-03-04 06:26:27 PM  

Alphax: Yeah, let's see you win elections with only white male sociopaths voting for you.



Well...you won't win the vote, but you might still win some elections.
 
2014-03-04 06:32:38 PM  
Well, at least now they're saying it openly, instead of thinking it.

The gradual obsolescence and decline of the Republican Party is happening right before you.
 
2014-03-04 06:36:05 PM  
So.... a white nationalist is a racist asshole who doesn't think that reaching out to minorities is a good idea? Where the f*ck is my fainting couch!? What is the next bombshell going to be? The head of the KKK doesn't like black people?
 
2014-03-04 06:37:38 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: [img.fark.net image 500x280]


LOL
 
2014-03-04 06:37:52 PM  

TacoBeelzebub: //Dominant woman, would never refer to herself as an "alpha"


So I did a GIS for "dominant woman".....................
 
2014-03-04 06:57:12 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: What other group of people welcomes extremely large and unsustainable amounts of outsiders of various cultures and ethnicities (firefox spellcheck is saying that's not a word?) into their country? Where is better to be a minority?
For god's sake, stop holding white people to standards far above what is demanded of others.


Into their country?

I didn't realize that this is a white country.

American is an ideal, not a race.
 
2014-03-04 06:57:45 PM  

rewind2846: ManateeGag: How's that outreach coming?

bottom line, if they only cater to the racist, sexist, homophobic, bootstrappin', greedy rat-bastard old white male voters, they will not win elections.

Not all white folks are like this, just their core... the ones who find a way to get their Medicare bought hoverrounds to the voting booth running on D batteries and hatred, so they can vote against food stamps for the most impoverished, and soshialism soshialism soshialism.
There aren't a majority of these types, but they are one thing that other voters aren't - CONSISTENT. That is their strength. If democrats and non-crazy republicans would get out and vote the way the nut jobs do, the tea party wouldn't even exist.

 
2014-03-04 07:01:23 PM  

Without Fail: God-is-a-Taco: What other group of people welcomes extremely large and unsustainable amounts of outsiders of various cultures and ethnicities (firefox spellcheck is saying that's not a word?) into their country? Where is better to be a minority?
For god's sake, stop holding white people to standards far above what is demanded of others.

Into their country?

I didn't realize that this is a white country.

American is an ideal, not a race.


Nice of the white folks to welcome me into their country.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-04 07:16:32 PM  
The Republicans have forced themselves into a no-win scenario: They can either do something about it and alienate the Tea-Baggers, or do nothing and alienate the rest of America. In either case, they have only themselves to blame for their predicament.
 
2014-03-04 07:27:58 PM  

jaytkay: Has anyone mentioned Derbyshire's published columns about sexy, sexy, fifteen-year old girls?

Creepy, creepy guy


img.fark.net

I sure could use a sexy sexy 15 year old girl after this.
 
2014-03-04 07:41:50 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I'm a white male and a leftist, I don't know what you're talking about.


You can't be part of a movement that disdains your race?  Someone would like a word with you...

4.bp.blogspot.com

I'm kidding.  But serious.  I just got done watching a left wing programmer give a speech about how there are too many "angry white men in programming".  It's one thing to advocate for diversity, it's another to denigrate a race in the process just because you're a self-loathing worm.

That's a mild example, out of numerous others.  Stick around on the Fark Politics tab long enough, you'll see more even if you can't recognize it for what it is.
 
2014-03-04 07:47:54 PM  
"...the future of the conservative movement is as a home for white ethnocentrism"

It's not much of a future but he's right
 
2014-03-04 08:03:36 PM  
There's a reason these weird bastards have such a hard on for "the end of tha world". They are convinced that it will be their last best chance to turn back the social evolution clock to neigh about 1:00am.
I used to think it was a handful of crazies until after I had been through a few right wing websites after hearing the Turner Diaries audio book. It's just creepy how pervasive elements of that book are throughout right wing culture considering it's happy fun genocide time storyline.
 
2014-03-04 08:35:01 PM  
HypnozombieX

There's a reason these weird bastards have such a hard on for "the end of tha world".

I used to think it was a handful of crazies until after I had been through a few right wing websites after hearing the Turner Diaries audio book. It's just creepy how pervasive elements of that book are throughout right wing culture considering it's happy fun genocide time storyline.


It could be that "the end of tha world" has been a pretty deep current in Indo-European mythologies, from Ireland to India, for thousands and thousands of years, and was so strong that it was incorporated even into Christianity, and still echoes amongst people today.

Or it could just be the Turner Diaries, I guess.
 
2014-03-04 08:39:26 PM  

IrishFarmer: HotWingConspiracy: I'm a white male and a leftist, I don't know what you're talking about.

You can't be part of a movement that disdains your race?  Someone would like a word with you...

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x300]

I'm kidding.  But serious.  I just got done watching a left wing programmer give a speech about how there are too many "angry white men in programming".  It's one thing to advocate for diversity, it's another to denigrate a race in the process just because you're a self-loathing worm.

That's a mild example, out of numerous others.  Stick around on the Fark Politics tab long enough, you'll see more even if you can't recognize it for what it is.


You do realize that one can recognize and acknowledge problematic behavior without hating the people exhibiting that behavior, right?  Besides, have you spent any time around programmers?  There's a whole lot of angry white guys in that industry.
 
2014-03-04 08:56:20 PM  

IrishFarmer: I'm kidding. But serious. I just got done watching a left wing programmer give a speech about how there are too many "angry white men in programming". It's one thing to advocate for diversity, it's another to denigrate a race in the process just because you're a self-loathing worm.


Do you not remember 1994?  "Angry white male" is a particular demographic--specifically one who is upset that non-white, non-males have a say in society.  The guy was not likely actually denigrating the white race, dude.
 
2014-03-04 08:56:48 PM  

Danger Mouse: Really? I cant say I am very familliar with Derbyshire, but it seems the articles in question were not even published in the NRO. Irregardless, my point was I've come to expect trolly headlines from Fark, but Raw Story looses any legitimacy when they just troll the liberal bottom feeders with a headline that implies this racist douche is a conservatie collumnist. Hell, it's like saying Hitler was a progreesive.


There was a time when Derbyshire was presented as a reasonable conservative--he even accepts evolution.   He was a long time columnist for National Review which is a flagship for what passes as conservative intellectualism.   He is NOT an obscure figure in conservatism though he is now a bit of a pariah for making his racism so noticable that it got noticed in a big way forcing National Review to sack him.
 
2014-03-04 09:18:02 PM  

Teufelaffe: IrishFarmer: The left-leaning folks here are going to condescend about this, but I don't see how the left's tendency towards thinly veiled disdain for white males people in a place of privilege who not only refuse to acknowledge their privilege, they attempt to play the victim whenever said privilege is mentioned to them is morally superior.

FTFY


White people, in my experience, generally acknowledge their privilege (except a lot of conservatives, but they aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree anyway).  But what's so surprising about the ethnic core of a nation privileging itself?  That's the reason nations exist in the first place, really.  In fact, pretty much every (non-white) nation on the planet does this, except it's only a problem when pale-faces do it because....because....I don't know, you tell me.  I never actually heard a reason why white people doing what every other nation/race does is wrong, it's just assumed everyone should have a problem with it apparently.

Those who play the victim card implicitly buy into the whole white guilt narrative, that's why they try and trump progressives by saying they're also victims and deserve of (ironically enough) the privileges of victimhood.
 
2014-03-04 09:31:57 PM  

IrishFarmer:Those who play the victim card...

You mean like this?
 IrishFarmer: In fact, pretty much every (non-white) nation on the planet does this, except it's only a problem when pale-faces do it



And like this?

IrishFarmer: I never actually heard a reason why white people doing what every other nation/race does is wrong, it's just assumed everyone should have a problem with it

 
2014-03-04 09:41:11 PM  

QU!RK1019: I think that you're seeing that many of the villains of the right are white males, and they are all targets of leftist ire. So it's easy to think the left dislikes white men.


No, that's not why, because most of the right's villains are white too.

QU!RK1019: But just look at the previous presidential candidates from the left - John Kerry, Al Gore, Ralph Nader, Bill Clinton, Michael Dukakis, etc... You should see that the left harbors no racism against whites nor sexism against males.


I don't think that's the tell.  It'll take more than a lack of nominations of mostly non-existent non-white candidates to contradict my experience.
 
2014-03-04 10:04:38 PM  
You can always spot a bigot whenever the term "white guilt" is used.
 
2014-03-04 10:07:26 PM  

sigdiamond2000: Derbyshire, who lost his job with the National Review after publishing a "nasty and indefensible" 2012 column about his racial prejudices

Derbyshire had been publishing nasty and indefensible columns about race for years before the National Review fired him. The idea that they didn't know that he was a white nationalist is complete bullsh*t. They didn't fire him for that; they hired him for that. They fired him because one of his articles by chance garnered mainstream outrage and damaged their brand. It didn't have anything to do with the fact that he's a racist.


Remember the good old days, when the National Review was open and proud about its defense of segregation?  American Renaissance remembers!


National Review is considered the flagship publication of post-World War II conservatism. William F. Buckley started it in 1955, declaring that it "stands athwart history yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it." Mr. Buckley was yelling "stop" to the spread of communism abroad and liberalism at home. That it should now attack Mr. Buchanan for supporting protectionism and market intervention is consistent with founding principles and no surprise. But few would have thought that after 44 years of publication, a senior editor with an Indian surname would condemn a popular white conservative for speaking up for whites.
In fact, the  National Review of the 1950s, 60s and even 70s spoke up for white people far more vigorously than Pat Buchanan would ever dare to today. The early  National Review heaped criticism on the civil rights movement,  Brown v. Board of Education, and people like Adam Clayton Powell and Martin Luther King, whom it considered race hustlers. Some of the greatest names in American conservatism - Russell Kirk, Willmore Kendall, James Kilpatrick, Richard Weaver, and a young Bill Buckley - wrote articles defending the white South and white South Africans in the days of segregation and apartheid. NR attacked the 1965 immigration bill that opened America up to Third-World immigration, and wrote frankly about racial differences in IQ. There were always hints of compromise, but passages from some back issues could have been lifted right out of  American Renaissance. Not so today. NR still supports immigration reform and is not afraid of the IQ debate, but Mr. Ponnuru's article is just one example of its complete abandonment of the interests of whites as a group. What used to be an important part of the NR message it now dismissed as illegitimate "white identity politics."

" 'Integration' and 'Communization' are, after all, pretty closely synonymous. In light of what is happening today, the first may be little more than a euphemism for the second. It does not take many steps to get from the 'integrating' of facilities to the 'communizing' of facilities, if the impulse is there."

An article by James Kilpatrick in the September 24, 1963, issue argued that the Civil Rights Bill (eventually passed in 1964) should be voted down. He wrote, "I believe this bill is a very bad bill. In my view, the means here proposed are the wrong means... In the name of achieving certain 'rights' for one group of citizens this bill would impose some fateful compulsions on another group of citizens." After it passed, an editorial declared: "The Civil Rights Act has been law for only a little over two months, yet it already promises to be the source of much legalistic confusion, civic chaos and bureaucratic malpractice."
Mr. Kilpatrick also took aim at the 1965 Voting Rights Act in the April 20, 1965 issue. "Must We Repeal the Constitution to Give the Negro the Vote?" he asked, accusing the bill's supporters of "perverting the Constitution." He thought certain blacks should be given the right to vote but notes, "Over most of this century, the great bulk of Southern Negroes have been genuinely unqualified for the franchise." He also defended segregation as rational for Southerners. "Segregation is a fact, and more than a fact; it is a state of mind. It lies in the Southern subconscious next to man's most elementary instincts, for self-preservation, for survival, for the untroubled continuation of a not intolerable way of life."

http://www.amren.com/news/2012/04/the-decline-of-national-review/

/And they're really unhappy about the fact that the National Review isn't as overtly racist as it used to be!
 
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